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Thread: IDW #52: Undead Carriage - Voting

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    IDW #52 Topic: Undead Carriage

    Deadline for voting: Saturday, December 22

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    Give critiques and comments, we're all here to learn from each other!

    Original thread: IDW #52: Undead Carriage
    Last edited by yoitisi; December 14th, 2007 at 06:37 AM.


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    IDW #52: Undead Carriage - Voting

    A Cinderella story
    So everyone knows the story of Cinderella, with the carriage, the ball, and prince and that everyone lives happily ever after. But i think the ending was actually changed in order to have the happy ended, i think it should actualy have been more this way: when Cindarella left the ball she was already late, there is no way she would have got home in time before her carriage turned back to a pumping. Actualy she was so late that in fact her carriage changed back soon after she left the ball, whilst the carriage would have been going at high speed. Which would have killed her instantly. So now Cindarella, because she was not ready to die and still had much things in her life she wanted, she still is searching for her prince amongst the living. Only real difference now however is that after midnight she must return to her natural state where she belongs, amongst her own kind, the undead.
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    IDW #52: Undead Carriage - Voting

    The concept is simple: the undead need fun too! The beasts pulls the lightweight racing carriage round an oval track, just like our horse racing. The carrriage is made from a 'mermaids purse' type of seaweed with the big bubble acting as the riding compartment. The markings on the beast and the carriage differentiate it from competitors.

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    Some notes:

    Actually just one, and that is that I'm not overly happy with the result of this round in terms of quality. I didn't reject anything that looked finished this time, otherwise the poll would've been a bit smaller to be honest. It seems that fantasy stuff has its own difficulties, one of them being that not everyone gets inspired by it I guess. I think it would be good to do more fantasy/history based topics, as those subjects are part of this corner of CA as well, although I'll have to think up some good topics for it.

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    Since i cant vote for myself.. haha xD my secong choice would be Legato.. But.. im not so sure cuz it looks to me more of a tank than a carriage.. so. the third choice would be hallo so im voting for that i guess..
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    although theres some nice images here, my vote in the end went to lynus for one simple reason. From my understanding and reasearch, a carriage is usualy a horse drawn vehicle or similer. Also carriages normaly have suspension using leaf springs, elliptical springs or leather strapping.

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    EDIT: as detailed in the following discussion the topic was way up to interpretation - meaning my single sighted take on it in critique for both myself and the other entries is basically BS - im not going to re-write these all, but take my critique on the carriage like nature of the picture and throw it away, and instead go on my artistic critique rather than design

    Unlike most write-ups, I’d appreciate it if you read my self-critique regardless of how long it gets (post edit: damn, im so sorry!)

    hallo

    I would agree with yoitisi in that this round was pretty thinned out for quality, that being said I would say your rendering and design is really the only viable option to vote for imho, even though like myself you kinda lost sight of the whole carriage thing with no clear means of pulling - however as far as undead mobile fortresses go yours is second to none! The lighting is superb, and when you first posted your wips I was really impressed with the direction you took! Also, more than the rest, your piece has included the undead theme very well!

    Dekus

    Having myself slogged through really my first composition and environment piece I think I am starting to reach a new perspective, Im still not there, but with what I have learned I think your piece falls apart in a few ways. Namely as was noted in the wip thread, you change styles 2-3 times, ranging from almost abstract with the timber wolves to more refined with the carriage and a bit of the background and than all the way to sponge painting for the clouds. Since this is “industrial design of the week” I’d have to agree with the past statements that your industrial design is fairly weak simply due to its presentation. I can live with the stylized look of it, but it would weigh TONS and roll like a katamari ball with too many telephone poles in it!

    Having tried the spiked wheel route on my own submission I can tell you I had to abandon it half way through!

    The wolf on the left is quite badass, even if the streaky style isn’t my thing (even though I just started my first bout of impressionistic stuff) but the wolf on the right is under-defined, and quite frankly, looks to be having an awesome go at his (female?) companion all while the driver is pissed that they are making little baby wolves and not dragging his 5 ton steel death vault! (im so sorry for this paragraph, it was just to funny not to type)

    One more paragraph kuz I love you! The main tower in the background is a little too defined for how far away it is imho!!! Ahh im done ;_; - I probably should have used a bulleted list

    myself

    Oh god here it goes

    With possibly the only rendering capable of getting a vote on that merit I have ever done, I just had to go blow it by completely screwing up the topic /o\

    While I think this is the beginning of me being capable of doing environments without causing death to the viewers, even from the get-go the composition took a back seat. Furthermore, while the industrial design is ‘sound’ and I like how the think looks, from the onset had basically fell off the carriage path, and that oversight only got worse as I kept on changing things.

    ORIGINALLY this was intended to be a large carriage, filled with troops and pulled by a giant stereotypical hell-beast… that - in the heat of battle - could be emptied, turned around and used as a giant field clearing lawn mower! However, when the composition changed from being pulled to being pushed by a beast, and than even further changed when I decided to include a giant steam engine things really took a nose dive. Furthermore, even my earliest thumbs were entitled “undead WAGON” and it actually caught me off guard when I re-read the topic! I had to run with it though, and here it is.

    It still has a bit of carriage characteristics - design wise I intended to have the driver sit up where I now have a guy standing, and had I taken off the spear/ram, changed the direction of the smoke and the foot soldiers I think it could have passed as one to a limited degree, but it is what it is… I really invested myself into this, and was getting critique from two people I highly respect, both of which are infinite in regards to composition and lighting, so I think I literally was ‘done’ with it 8-9 times. Each of those iterations now look archaic compared to their predecessor and im more than sure there is another 8 versions that would put this one to shame, but im learning and don’t want to be down on myself too much, so im going to say as it is, I really like it… now in a month I have the right to change my opinion

    Lynus

    As noted in some of the other write-ups and my own, im gonna have to knock this out of the running simply because its a flat out chariot, and has really no other explanation. Also, while the beast pulling it has an awesome rendering and style and really looks like its moving fast, the rest of the thing takes on a more refined and stationary look, not to mention it has a strictly side view going while the chariot has half a perspective X_X

    Grenogs

    THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING!!!

    But seriously, I know the lure of painters many brushes, heck, just 3 days ago my friend suggested I paint a purple fairy into my piece and in 5 seconds using the glow brush and the stardust one I had blown his mind, but in this case, its just too excessive - especially regarding the only ‘industrial design’ is a pumpkin and 4 wheels you really crippled your ability to do any elaborate iron work or anything else in that regard. Also, while you did a great job conveying speed for the rear half of your picture (the carriage) the large demon (rats?!) seem like they are standing still, or rearing at their reins, which is almost an exact opposite of lynus’s problem! Like myself I think you got an idea in your head and ran with it, only we were both running in the wrong direction! You thought “carriage… like cinderella!!!” and I thought “wagon… turned around and made into not a wagon!!!”

    Nutkin

    I didn’t even see this one in wip so it really threw me for a loop. While at first I was going to poo poo you for having a more modern take on the subject, I realize there really was no clarification and so its all fair game. However it is a chariot, plain and simple and quite frankly the only aspect of the undead in this entire picture is the driver… not even the fell beast up front really counts. In terms of industrial design, I admire the attempt at minimalism, but between, the lack of suspension for the speeds your wanting it to go, and the non-articulated yoke… thing holding the ball to the beast I really can’t vote for you - also, the drop shadow doesn’t really help ;_;








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    Quote Originally Posted by grenogs View Post
    although theres some nice images here, my vote in the end went to lynus for one simple reason. From my understanding and reasearch, a carriage is usualy a horse drawn vehicle or similer. Also carriages normaly have suspension using leaf springs, elliptical springs or leather strapping.
    lynus drew a chariot, carriages have 4 wheels, and can be pulled by anything afaik ;_;

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    Haha.. Thanks for your analysis!
    hmm.. yeah.. the style changes is all because i used different brushes for different parts.. I wanted to make a big painting and just put the carriage into it so that it would be a part of the whole painting... not just to concentrate on the carriage alone.. and besides, i did this just for fun.. fantasy/undead is just not my theme..

    hmm.. i just dont get it.. why is everyone so sure that it would weight a ton? Your tank-carriage sure looks like it weights many tons..

    Yeah, all because a little perspective error it looks like the wolves are making sweet, hot love in front of the driver... Its sooo funny when i first noticed it.. (which was after i submitted the final image) lol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekus View Post
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    Haha.. Thanks for your analysis!
    hmm.. yeah.. the style changes is all because i used different brushes for different parts.. I wanted to make a big painting and just put the carriage into it so that it would be a part of the whole painting... not just to concentrate on the carriage alone.. and besides, i did this just for fun.. fantasy/undead is just not my theme..

    hmm.. i just dont get it.. why is everyone so sure that it would weight a ton? Your tank-carriage sure looks like it weights many tons..

    Yeah, all because a little perspective error it looks like the wolves are making sweet, hot love in front of the driver... Its sooo funny when i first noticed it.. (which was after i submitted the final image) lol..

    Erm..... What..? so do you hate my work.. or love it.. or you love me? lmao! wtf..
    ah yes, but my tank carriage is propelled my a baby-burning steam engine of questionable output, while yours is moved by two dogs. in regards to why it looks heavy, quite frankly, it looks like its made of lead material wise - just my observation!

    and dude, the dude-wolf's expressions is PRICELESS!!! its like letting out a howl of ... yeah... but man, you couldn't have done it better had you tried!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legato View Post
    lynus drew a chariot, carriages have 4 wheels, and can be pulled by anything afaik ;_;
    i only wrote what i read up on google, so if my interpretation is wrong, blame google. but is a chariot a form of carriage? well my research said no mention about how many wheels. I think yoitisi was dead on this one in basicly saying we all pretty much f**ked up on this one. You legato f**ked up on your design, and i f**ked up on my rendering. But at least i have the satisfaction of knowing that if this was a paid commission, i would only have to repaint my image, you though would have to start all over again , new concept, everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by grenogs View Post
    i only wrote what i read up on google, so if my interpretation is wrong, blame google. but is a chariot a form of carriage? well my research said no mention about how many wheels. I think yoitisi was dead on this one in basicly saying we all pretty much f**ked up on this one. You legato f**ked up on your design, and i f**ked up on my rendering. But at least i have the satisfaction of knowing that if this was a paid commission, i would only have to repaint my image, you though would have to start all over again , new concept, everything
    nah, i wouldn't have had such a cavalier attitude to start with, problem averted - further unneeded defense would include that changing two things would have turned this into a carriage

    just did some wiki digging and the while most chariots had 2 wheels some had 4, but all were originally platforms for one or two people to engage in warfare while only recently being used for racing. carriages as per wikipedia are all 4 wheeled examples, and include anything from a stage coach, to a baby stroller, however the difference between a traditional carriage and a wagon is as far as i know, simply the driver being on an elevated seat outside and front.

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    Keep it civil ya'll. None of this "mine is better than yours" does anyone any good. Keep the crit constructive, not comparative.

    On which point, my crit and vote will be coming shortly.

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