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    Flying kick

    Something I did today through classes and lunch.
    Colored with prismacolor markers and colored pencils.
    Any critique is very appreciated!!!

    Pose referenced from Manga Mania: Occult and Horror by Christopher Hart page 63.
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    I suggest you put down the Christopher Hart books. I have a stack of em' as well, but looking back, they never helped me. Just my opinion
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    Well if you're looking for critique, throw away that book right now because it won't do anything to help you learn anatomy.

    Which leads to the critique: study anatomy.

    Specifically in this piece, the facial features and shape are skewed past the point of believability. The nose and mouth are too low. The left forearm is awkwardly depicted, and the hand on that arm is at an impossible angle. The connection from the ribcage to the hips is not accurate, there is an *extreme* twist and it's not evident. There is no left scapula. The way her hair comes over her right scapula and also her right arm don't make any sense. If the right arm is that farm back, then we should be seeing some of the right side of the back. If the right arm isn't that far back, then the arm is too long.
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    Is that one of those "how to draw manga" kind of books? please dont use those, that kind of material is worthless. Learn from reality, study anatomy and figure drawing and after that you can go back and draw manga or whatever style you like. Copying templates on a manga book and mimicking wont teach you much.I suggest Loomis books if you havent already hear of them(http://www.placidchaos.com/Loomis/ you can download them for free there) , or George Brightman´s, Burne Hogarth´s ,etc there are plenty, and of course a lot of life drawing. Instead of referencing from a cartoon,try to do it from the mirror or a real life pose.
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    There doesn't appear to be a lot of motion in this picture either. It looks like she's just sitting there and there's a bit of a breeze coming through. If it were a flying kick, as you said, everything should be moving, and quite dramatically too.
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    One thing your drawing lacks is gesture. You could draw a straight vertical line from her eye down to her knee. Not very dynamic for a jumping kick!

    Try maing a sweeping gestural line and build the figure off that. I'll suggest to get the book, "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way". I've never met a figure drawing instructor who doesn't recommend it. I'll post an example of gesture/line of action from it...
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    I know this stuff might hurt, and studying anatomy might seem like a long-ass detour, and an unattractive one at that. However learning anatomy, through studies and practicing life drawing, you'll find that your anime will kick much more ass at the end of the day. Our main gripe with so called 'anime artists' (not the professional ones, mind you) is that they want to skip it all, and hence produce less than admirable works, then pass it off as 'it's my style! stop criticizing me!'

    For specific crits, Final Knight hit them pretty well. E-panda and silvertone also brought up an important point, there seems to be a general lack of motion in the piece.

    My crits deal with the range of motion that you already have here. See if you can turn your body so your shoulders sit 90 degrees to your pelvis like the way the lass is here. Next, try turning your foot 90 degrees to the left. Can't? you got to break a couple of things to get into the position she's in, it's kind of not possible.

    For a kick, she doesn't look very well positioned for one. It looks like she's coming at you, but in no way could she fling her legs, in the way they are, to make good contact. Her foot would probably be the foremost thing in the pic to achieve that. The way her arm's arched makes me believe it's more of a flying punch.

    Some things about the boobs. Add some more weight to them, they're kind of floating at the moment. Pesrpective-wise, pull her right boob back further. Much further. Right now you have one of these going on. Well, while we're talking about the boobs, let's talk about the body in general. The back seems like a straight line, you probably want to be adding more curves in there because it's looking too stiff right now; loosen her up a bit.

    Last off, welcome to CA! You'll survive the kicks to the crotch but if you try and follow the advice you've been given (drawing from life, study anatomy, etc...) you'll do more than just crawl through, you'll thrive.
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    thanks for all the responses, I'm looking at studying anatomy too, but it's just so much slower, and as drunken_hand said, a long-ass detour, even though I know I need to learn it,
    do you think doing studies on PoseManiac are good? I can't make it to life drawing classes, there scarce in my small town.
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    If you mean posemaniacs.com...I just had a look at it, and I didn't think it was that good. The images looked like 3D figure models with the muscles were painted on as a skin. So in some of the poses, they just weren't right.

    Artist anatomy books are a start. They show you how somebody else (presumably, somebody who is good at it) thinks about human anatomy. That's good, because sometimes you can't see something until somebody else points out that it's there.

    You can go a long, long way drawing your own hands, your own face in the mirror.
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    Wow, you took that better than I thought you would Renegade linked you to some Loomis books. Those are a good read and have earned something of a legendary status amongst the art community in general... and they're free! They've been out of print so you can actually find them online in pdf formats. If anything, you can just copy the drawings out of these books line for line and you'll still probably learn a good deal (figure drawing might be a good start. The book's like...mainly drawings anyhow). Reading these books will probably go into more detail about motion, where the weight of the body is, mechanics and useful information than most of those 'how to' books, at least the ones I've seen before.

    If you really want to continue to draw anime while doing anatomy studies, it should be okay. Keep a sketchbook for anime stuff to show your friends; but keep an even bigger sketchbook for figure studies, realism, and anatomy practice, bust yo ass on that one, draw at least one page of studies in it daily. Then do the friend-pleasing, fun pictures on the other book, drawing as a hobby should remain fun because... well, I'm guessing that's why you got into in the first place.

    I looked at posemaniacs and I have to agree with Stoat (you should check his sketches out sometime... pretty crazy stuff) Problem with textures applied on a 3D mesh is at certain angles they won't be correct and you'll get some flatness in your drawings. Though I guess for the most part they might be okay, just not the greatest tool. I'll see if I can hunt down a more detailed/better constructed mesh poser for you if you need it. If you need even more flexibility, I need to create a new 3D model anyhow. Tell me what you're looking for and I'll try to construct it in 3Dsmax, pose it for you and get the angle you want.
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    Mangakagirl: Great to see you took the advices well
    Studying anatomy and everything else mention here may seem slower but its actually not, take the proper time to study and improvement will begin to appear step by step as you go. The "how to draw this and that" type of books are made to trick beginners into thinking drawing is something you learn fast and easy and you can achieve it by buying and mimicking from their books,of course,its a fraud ,and thats their move to make money since a big proportion of fandom followers are willing to fall for that. Those books make huge damage.

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