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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Oaksford View Post
    These suckers cost 9.99 per bag. The shipping weight is "4.00 lbs". Let's see japan top Mail Order potato chips with an urban demographic and wonderful, masterful bag art. And don't forget the encouraging 3 word bible lessons.
    Now I've seen everything.

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    I thought this was going to be another one of a thousand threads where people repeat each other about a hundred times, but I see it's degraded into something far more interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by serhc View Post
    I thought this was going to be another one of a thousand threads where people repeat each other about a hundred times, but I see it's degraded into something far more interesting
    NAh, Its like every other thread about anime before it. We argue, get offended, laugh and have that moment of clarity.

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=106991

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71719
    My favorite, title is "Anime, once and for all"
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56594
    I was in this one.
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=104238

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    Quote Originally Posted by serhc View Post
    I thought this was going to be another one of a thousand threads where people repeat each other about a hundred times, but I see it's degraded into something far more interesting
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    Good lord. Is that Leonard Nemoy?

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    Good lord. Is that Leonard Nemoy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoMegaX View Post
    Good lord. Is that Leonard Nemoy?
    It would seem so....

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    So...why the hell is he dressed like Kirk?

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    So...why the hell is he dressed like Kirk?
    (dies, just falls of of his chair, and dies)

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    I'm sorry, that Doritos bag... wow, "amazing" is about the only word I can think of. Or maybe "fucking amazing"...

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    man...ive gotta say...this is probaly one of the funniest threads about "not liking anime" ive ever read..lol...and to put it in another short and sweet phrase..."anime/manga style" is over used and copied...

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    Funny, I did a post on game art vs Manga art, on another forum and everyone started talking about Anime vs. Manga art, its a acquired taste. Personally, I cant get my head around either.

    http://pollocksthebollocks.wordpress...vs-managa-art/

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    I personally have grown tired of the entire culture of anime, the art especially. With that being said, I was also an otaku for 7 years, so I'm not completely biased.

    I started out drawing anime and anthromorphic characters that proved to be a major crutch to my artwork later. As others have mentioned, anime does not teach proper proportions by any means. The whole style of japanese animation is stylised, exhibited by abnormally large eyes, small facial features, very angular lines, and unrealistic body proportions.

    It is not usually considered high art by many US production companies because of the fact that anime artists are not required to study the classical techniques. When one does life drawing, charcoal, or oil painting, they're based off realistic proportions and features (for the most part, there are always exceptions such as impressionism, cubism, etc. but those usually aren't encouraged in the beginning courses of school).

    Now that's not to say that some anime artists are not great artists, heck I can't produce artwork half as good as Miyazaki. But from what I read about him and other revered japanese artists, is that they have a knowledge of artwork outside of the anime realm. They use every piece of knowledge they know to put into their artwork. In a sense, it's like Picasso. Most people don't know that Picasso could paint very realistically. But it was his own personal choice after study to revert to abstract.

    But mainly, anime is geared towards a Japanese audience. Their culture is much different than ours. So if you want to pursue a life in Japanese culture, then by all means do anime! But if you want to play in the American market, it would be a good idea to check out some other styles.

    That's my two cents worth. I'm sure people have already said this, but to each his own. I've said my peace.

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    I just want to step in and say that you can't blame anime for people lack of anatomy efforts they put in thier pictures blame the artist for not learning the anatomy, because no matter what style it is, no anatomy= bad picture. And all anime artist know their anatomy.

    I'm not defending anime but art. So instead of waiting for lame comments I'll just put all the comment from most of the "why ya hate anime threads"

    Quote Originally Posted by kingshaj View Post
    all animation simplifies just as a matter of practicality
    and of course all animators' work is stylized.
    Quote Originally Posted by smellykitty View Post
    lol

    akira is anime

    wanting to call anime nothing but big eyed freaks is very, misleading. the original reason why anime was given a term besides 'cartoon' was not becuase the characters had big eyes but becuase the japanese cartoons were not necessarily for children - which was a sharp contrast compared to mainstream cartoons being made for the west. its because akira makes peoples head hurt, that they are more comfortable calling it an anime than a cartoon.

    what made anime, anime was that you could find anime for all age groups and interests - from sci-fi, to porn, for youth and children. when stores began to use the coin term anime, it signaled to adults this cartoon may not be suitable for children since foreigners are weird. the other defining factor that made anime very different from western cartoons at the time was that most anime being made were based off a manga. AND, that nearly most of those mangas were written and illustrated by one person. this is a contrast to american cartoons being created by the company, and not an artist, and in contrast to the vast majority of american comic books being made by a team and not one person.

    the desire to call only big eyed freaks anime is just a way to hold a biased view of anime, and an easy cheap way to say "I dont like anime", when even among the big eyed freaks there is bound to be an anime someone likes. the difference I find is not the aesthetics that determine whether or not someone likes an anime, but the time period it was made in. I like anime from the 80s, even the big eyed freaks - but anime from the 90s makes my stomach churn.

    of course today anime has become stupidly popular and a good deal of it now is very unoriginal, which is why people desire to label the anime they don't like as anime because of denial that there is good anime out there

    you must like samurai champloo a lot to want to think of it as not being anime. ive got news for you, that chick still looks like any other anime chick to me. the tall skinny rounin, your typical tall anime pretty boy. Ive been seeing faces like his since tall girly boys became the in thing in the 80s. his appearance is the classical bishounen - good old fashioned shounen-ai male.

    what makes samurai champloo so much fun though is that it makes fun of those stereotypes, after all, those stereotypes have been around for over 20 years. it also has an attention to detail, which was started by the earlier animes of the 80s and was lost in the 90s.

    lastly, its also important to remember it was the west that defined 'anime' as 'anime' becuase it was so different from our mainstream cartoons. in japan, anime at the time were just called cartoons, except they easily accepted a cartoon didnt have to be for kids - its just an animated tv show. the time of the day the animated tv show was aired let them know who it was intended for.

    also, you can blame the west for making those big eyed freaks a huge phenomenon. had the west not cared for japanese cartoons, they might look very different today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Man View Post
    Why would you change your style just because a large number of people at a forum don't like it?

    If you enjoy drawing in the typical anime/manga style, so be it, there is plenty of market for it if you're looking for a financial reason (albeit you need to be good, but tell me a field that pays well for shit work), and if not and you undertake it purely for a enjoyment reason, then don't change - but this forum is likely not for you and you probably won't find it much fun.

    People here don't have a problem with anime, they have a problem with bad art...it just so happens that most of the poor artists have a love affair with anime and manga which makes the style an easy target for lambasting.
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    Hmmm. I think I enjoy manga mainly for stories, hardly for art. But there are some amazing artists out there that actually push themselves in their art! So many of them have been mentioned already, Shirow(amaaazing robot design!!!), Hiroaki Samura(his figures are beautiful, period.), Miyazaki(his background are incredible), Andy Seto (crouching tiger hidden dragon comics). These people take the typical style of manga, but have worked so hard at it, they have trained themselves in art with such dedication , that they created their own unique way of making manga. Just like anybody here in concept art works hard at life drawing, or concepts that they create their own unique way of making it!

    I understand the type of artist most people on CA hate, because you can find these in any anime convention or DA. It's the wishy washy "I don't need to learn about art because I already have a perfect 10 step way of making a magical anime girl" artist! The ones that will settle for horrid art just because everyone else is doing it too! There's a million and one of these artist in my school, and they all dream of working in Japan for a living. pfft! They are no better than a crappy abstract painter, who does a dot in the middle of a canvas just to make some money!

    also real manga artist work extremely hard. The typical Japanese worker works 10 to 12 hours a day, manga artist work even harder to meet up with crazy deadlines. They are just as commendable as any other.

    Another thing to consider, is if the focus is on story not art....for example Naoki Urasawa draws manga of very old fashion, but his stories are amazing!! Monster and 20th century boys are by far the best stories I have ever read! but if I would have not read these just for the art, I would have really missed out.

    besides this is the age old battle between what one person thinks is good, vs. what another person thinks is bad. It's the same as abstract vs. academic. You just can't say one thing is better than the other because it's all a matter of taste. Of course its obvious shitty anime art exists, but also shitty American comic art, concept art and illustrations exist too! Just try not too judge so harshly that you'll find yourself missing out on a chance to enrich yourself. :p

    john: just remember, having your own style is fine, just remember every artist must go through the fundamentals, it's like a musician not knowing chords! Silly, but it's the same for artist. I started out with manga too! It's a style I enjoy to draw on the occasion! Just improve as an artist whole, learn anatomy , learn composition and learn color. who cares what style you use, as long as you enjoy it .

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    Yes, 99.9% of them will be awful, but so are 99.9% of kids who pick up a guitar or a baseball bat.
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    i don't see a difference-- kids being influenced to draw at an early age by manga or kids being influenced to draw at an early age by american comic books in the superhero vein. either way, they're learning from faulty, exagerrated anatomy which will be fixed when they're older if they decide to make a career of it and go to art school.

    i think it's hard to boast ethnic superiority when it comes to an art style-- but at the same time i can kind of agree with Skogul. People are quick to draw the style but aren't so keen on the mechanics of it. Hell, most people don't realize that japanese comics have a different panel to panel ratio and that they have an additional panel type that doesn't crop up in american comics that much.

    manga isn't manga for the style it's done in-- it's manga for the style of storytelling, in the end.

    that's what i think, anyways. i think i got off track.
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    Im really in it for the art and the stories. Like any, its just a style. Its not like their many american animation that goes as far as anime goes. So of course as a person who wants a career in animation I stick to anime. And Even before I notice the western style of art or even this website. I was on foriegn art site all day long because to me the eastern style is the most fun style. Its never about correct anatomy its just capturing the anatomical figure and sticking to the style, like what many artist do. And I drew just like those Davientart beginers but as they learn the picture will become more better. Most of our fav and popular games where deriviated from the eastern style; Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Shadow of the Colossus, and you get the point. ( Devil May Cry has an anime out now same with the FF series but I wouldnt recomend it). Its just a Very popular style of art. And for that kind of art, animation and Books are mediums for that art. Plus its big and popular. Like sponge bob.
    Quote Originally Posted by Farvus View Post
    I tried drawing anime characters several times to see what will come out and it's not as easy as it seems. It was hard to get the spirit of this style propably beacause it was forced too much. I like watching some anime but I would rather stick to my european heritage when it comes to drawing comic type of art
    Quote Originally Posted by Micaiah Nelson View Post
    And Farvus prefers it that way.

    If you dont like anime thats good. No one is forcing them on you and if you dont prefer it in your art then dont draw it. Its art. Theres no sad realization to it. Theres no acceptance. People draw this with pencils and there are movies. Its art. Paris Hilton cant sing. She not a siren. But thats still a fuckin music CD in the pop section by Paris Hilton. Dont hate the whole Genre, They are a lot of good singers in that section, just hate the singer. (And cause its Paris Hilton). You may not prefer that Genre but you cant deny there are tallented artist in that genre. And thats all it takes, liking the art. Thats what we get hired for. Good art.

    And sorry for the bad metaphor but you get the idea.
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    And here's some kickass animation from the east.


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    Now why'd you have to go muck it all up with actual discussion?

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    Hello there guys

    I had been reading all the replies of this thread and read quite a few interesting things, some on the artistic possibilities of why people here hate Anime (which I was totally unaware of) and some others on Japanese culture and how badass they think it is and such.

    For starters, I'm going to assume that the op meant by Anime more than just Anime and that he meant the now globally known Japanese style of drawing, which could be seen into what they call mangas, doujins and of course their animated cartoons.

    Also it's worth to clarified that I'm a beginner artist, that I'm still working on learning the proportions of the human body, and that I'm no concept artist yet. I'm a film grad, I studied how to make movies, not drawings, and I'm working on drawing and paintings because I think it will help me as an aspiring film maker and because I simply love it.

    That would mean that I have no rank once soever to argue with the pros here but I do have a profound understanding of story telling, which I have studied and work really hard on improving.

    One thing clearly seem in most replies to this thread is how many automatically linked why people around the world like Anime and why people here hate it, which goes a little further away from what the op really asked, but that simply makes the thread all that much more interesting and educative.

    So I'm going to enlarge on those two elemtents; Why people around the world like anime, and why people here possibly hate it.

    Why they like Anime?

    On my Media and Society class back in College, my teacher talked about the cultural proximity theory which plays a big role on media and arts. I reckon the teacher saying that for most people, the media have to have elements that resemble their own cultures so that they can accept it, Race also included, and maybe that is why here in America, we have movies with blue eyed Americans gone samurai and blond ninjas, so apparently race is also there on the frying pan as well.

    On another class, I was asked to bring a foreign film for critique, so I decided to bring a film made in my country that everyone that I know from my place of birth likes. Not a single person in the class liked the film, so I asked my instructor why he think that happened and his answer sent me back to cultural proximity.

    The instructor told me that the film that I brought went to in depth with another culture, and that the trained minds of the viewers have no elements to relay to and therefore they were unable to get the film, while for the audience it was made for, the movie was highly successful.

    So with the above example, I hope to have demonstrated the power of cultural proximity, so the question to ask is; How Anime bypass it?

    With the simplified outlines, even simpler body proportions, and most important
    characters that could be of any race, Anime becomes more than artistic iconary, it turns into media that could be accepted and assimilated by literally any young audience, in virtually any country.

    While Sailor Moon is clearly a Caucasian, most Anime characters could be thought to be any race and in some cases even different cultures. So with this in mind the character designs that many here believe to be cheap crappy and out of proportions are actually brilliant work of art designed to not depict any race or culture in particular, even in despise of having Japanase names.

    The Japanese media phenomenon is really taking on here in the States, I recall people back in college going nuts with this Anime stuff and not everyone of them was young, also very few of them spoke Japanese, and most were perfectly happy with translations because once translated those Anime looked as American as anything else on the media.

    Another thing to consider is the fact Anime uses all the known to have work traits of American Science fiction, which are extremely additive, such as super powers, futuristic places and gadgets (the huge mech destroys the fighter yet) and so on. These themes will have a tremendous impact on the audience.

    And finally comes story telling, which is a very debatable issue. Anime have a wide range of stories to offer, from the slasher style stories (like Akira) to the more dramatic style (like those of Miyamoto) the deal is that there is food here for a wide range of audiences, and that expandability enables the makers of Anime to offer quite a lot in terms of stories and with their simplified but effective art story telling could really kick off.

    Why people here possibly don't like Anime?

    I personally wouldn't consider this too logical since Anime should be consider part of concept art, and by the way its taking off, I think concept artist will do good to take it seriously, but then again I'm not a concept artist.

    The already mentioned lack accuracy in terms of body proportions and so on might be a good guess as for why its not apreciated. But even in despise of this issue I have seen some Anime work that are simply breath taking (Ghost in the Shell)

    But there is reason to this madness, an old mentor of mine once told me "Know the rules before you break them" and maybe the pro artist here feel you should best work on the realistic style and then move to where you want to.

    That would probably go into coalition with the kids that want to get good at Anime and feel they don't wanna waste time on anything else but Anime.

    Conclusion

    I'm not too crazy with Anime, but I understand its importance in modern day media and I seriously hope that the critiques Anime artist get here, are geared towards make them better Anime artist and not trying to discourange them to continue their Anime works.

    This is all theoretical since I have never seen any one here flaming an artist for working on Anime.

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    I wasn't as amused to sailor spock like you'all was so I wanted to respond to the actual question. You guys can continue, or draw, whichever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrhugecojones View Post
    ...this madness...
    That's... kind of specious. But you seem to have grasped the basic explanation. Which was, Micaiah, that the problem isn't anime, but the obsessive imitation of cheap, mass-produced anime to the detriment of training, skill and talent. I understand that was the point you made in defence of anime, but you don't seem to have noticed it's constant repetition by the 'anti' camp.

    And no, imitation of cheap anime doesn't necessarily wend it's own way to skill. Not from what I've seen.

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    OK GUYS I REALLY MESSED UP ON MY QOUTE!

    He never (He=the artist for the anime Naruto) never calls his art "lesser art" what he actually says is closer to this.

    "When people ask me who I respect, I always say "people that can draw"" he goes on to talk about how he feels like his "art'' doesn't meat par.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermis View Post
    That's... kind of specious. But you seem to have grasped the basic explanation. Which was, Micaiah, that the problem isn't anime, but the obsessive imitation of cheap, mass-produced anime to the detriment of training, skill and talent. I understand that was the point you made in defence of anime, but you don't seem to have noticed it's constant repetition by the 'anti' camp.

    And no, imitation of cheap anime doesn't necessarily wend it's own way to skill. Not from what I've seen.
    Lets try this again. Gathering all the qoutes. Your not mad at anime just BAD ART. If you seen a kickass anime picture it would be quite the oppisite responces. Art will be always be bad without any of the basics. DA are full with kids without anatomy books. It was anime that got me to draw, because it was art. No matter how old you get thiers an anime cartoon for your age. (Unlike American cartoons). So people are attracted to anime. (Their winning awards). So most amuture stuff that you see might be anime. Elwells post would be the best responce to your post. Thats why I put them all together in one post because they were responces to replies just like yours. It just save time. If you hate it so much get em an anatomy book for christmas or birthday.
    Anime+Anatomy= http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53941

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    I'm curious, but allmost sure that many hard-working-"real" anime/manga artists have the same view as Micaiah Nelson does about that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia_B View Post
    But mainly, anime is geared towards a Japanese audience. Their culture is much different than ours. So if you want to pursue a life in Japanese culture, then by all means do anime! But if you want to play in the American market, it would be a good idea to check out some other styles.
    That might not be the case in the future. One of my favorite animation right now is Avatar: The Last Airbender made by Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko. They modelled their show after some of the best Japanese animation house out there. Here's some text from wikipedia:

    While Avatar is not considered an anime because of its American origin, one review has commented that "Avatar blurs the line between anime and (US) domestic cartoons until it becomes irrelevant."[39]

    In addition, Avatar has many features of anime such as having a different color palette than other animated shows.[40]

    However, Avatar creators Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino confirmed a particular anime influence in a magazine interview:

    "The best anime balances great action sequences with humor and emotion, something we try to do on Avatar. We love all the films of Hayao Miyazaki, especially Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke. Both movies deal with spirituality and the environment in an entertaining way. Also, there's a lot of great animation."[41]

    According to an interview with the artists involved in creating Avatar, Appa's design was based on the Catbus in My Neighbor Totoro, due to the peculiar task of creating a mammal with six legs.[42]

    Avatar also draws inspiration from the anime works of Shinichiro Watanabe's Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo, as well as FLCL (Fooly Cooly) of Gainax. Other various studios from which inspiration was drawn include Studio 4°C, Production I.G., and Studio Ghibli.[43] Bryan has commented that some of his most cherished Watanabe fight scenes were the fight between Bebop's Spike Spiegel and a drug smuggler in "Asteroid Blues," as well as the duel between Mugen and a blind female Jojutsu-user in the Champloo episode "Elegy of Entrapment (Verse 2)." Avatar director Giancarlo Volpe also claims the staff "were all ordered to buy Fooly Cooly and watch every single episode of it."[44]

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    How well did their show do? Good enough to win these award...

    Pulcinella Awards
    Won Best Action/Adventure Series (2005)[47]
    Won Best Series of the Year (2005)[48]
    Annie Awards
    Nominated Best Animated Television Production (2005)[49]
    Nominated for Writing in an Animated Television Production ("The Fortuneteller") (2005)[50]
    Won Storyboarding in an Animated Television Series ("The Deserter") (2005)[51]
    Yu Jae Myung won for Character Animation in a Television Production ("The Blind Bandit") (2006)[52]
    Giancarlo Volpe won for Directing in an Animated Television Production ("The Drill") (2006)[53]
    Genesis Awards
    Won Outstanding Children's Programming ("Appa's Lost Days") (2007)[54]
    Primetime Emmy Awards
    Won Individual Achievement Award (presented to Sang-Jin Kim for his work on "Lake Laogai") (2007)
    Nominated Outstanding Animated Program (for Programming Less Than One Hour) ("City of Walls and Secrets") (2007)[55]


    and if business matters to you, the show has an audience of around 1.1 millions per show(that's huge for an animation!) on the Nickalodeon channel, is expected to sell over $120 million in merchandise and have triology movies directed by M. Night Shyamalan in the work.

    You can look at this as an example of people who recognize that some of the best 2d animations are being done in Japan and applied those influences to an American animation studio to make a great animation show. So it's good to study up on your anime even if you are in the American market. Personally, I could care less about what country an animation come from and watch/learn from it if I feel it's quality stuff.

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    i swear it's like chobomaster and i are the only ones having a real conversation here.

    PUT MY MANGA ON A NAKED ASIAN GIRL!

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    whoa, that's pretty damn cool painting.. and yet also hot

    actually, wouldn't that be the opposite of making anime hated

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    Lol!

    Actually I think it's quite simple why it isn't especially liked on this forum. Someone posts his bad manga drawings in critique section and expects helpful comments. Then people enter his thread and try to point out some mistakes but it's impossible beacause manga has it's own rather unclear guidelines when it comes to proportions.
    As an addition the author often neglects looking into any art basics beacause he/she thinks that copying contours of favourite manga character is enough for succesful picture. And THIS kind of close minded bad manga is especially hated. Also this whole approach to improving drawing is very irritating to anyone who is passionate about art.

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    No matter how old you get thiers an anime cartoon for your age. (Unlike American cartoons)
    Actually this is somewhat untrue - it's more a matter of how common or prominent the cartoons are - there are western cartoons for everyone from babies to adults (only group I can't think of being catered to are the elderly - and that's just likely my lack of exploration into cartoons). It's just that cartoons in general in western society are publicly 'niched' into being a deal for children or teenagers. This is why there is such a backlash in some western societies against some of the more adult-oriented anime/manga - it's 'niched' to being for children due to being a cartoon, but is far too mature in subject matter for children.


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    As for hate for anime/manga - I don't perceive the treatment here as a hate for the genre honestly, as there are a number of talented artists who have similar styles to these genres on CA. It is instead a dislike and annoyance towards the plethora of over-inflated egos that come from people who can parrot a style but lack any foundational skills to expand beyond that style, and show no desire to develop beyond this parroted style. It's like the difference between a programmer coding from the ground up, and someone copy-pasting the code to do the work for them - one knows what they're doing, and can adapt it properly, the other knows hardly anything except what few things they can change for their own purposes (they have no idea how it functions, just where the variables are)

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    Forming opinions on art or artists because of what you've seen/heard/observed at deviantart is as dumb as forming your political views from what you've seen/heard/observed on fox news.

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    woah, Where do I begin?

    Hmm, lets see...

    There was another forum (a local Malaysian one) I've join before CA that has a art section which have lots of inspired by manga art (that includes me).
    Alot,
    Alot,
    Alot,
    of artists that pop up there does not have basic understanding of not just anatomy but concept of art and color!

    So I've said they gotta do their research,

    Some replied, "I'm not too serious onto the serious stuff, I just drawing for fun." Okay...what slipped in my mind was why ask for comment/critiques?...

    The others were like okay with the research line and the c&c (comment & critique) but it sure took many times out of me before they finally get the message and started improving their art.

    What kids & teens see from anime/manga is a an already finished product. They are not very interested into getting 'HOW' the animation/manga came to be.

    What influences the artists into creating the anime/manga?

    They are many who don't think why comic panels ended up as they are and they think concept art is for paintings like Picasso to Van Gogh. They didn't even realise advertisements which made 'em into good consumers have concept...the list goes on.

    I've always thought it was our Government (malaysia) at fault with the tests must follow the textbooks 100% (for schools) therefore no intiative to do otherwise.

    But after looking at the many replies here, maybe its just the fact that separates real artists (as in being in love with art) with praise/fame hunting artists who thinks a pretty art is just 'pretty' because it just is(I rather call 'em fakes but it would be too inaccurate)

    Well, that's my frustation and reply as to why some kids or teens don't wanna learn art seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micaiah Nelson View Post
    And here's some kickass animation from the east.
    That was really cool... but it's not what I remember seeing on the show, it must be a movie.

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