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    There are alot of game art design courses/multimedia courses that are shit. I know what you mean, it is why I started to look into Illustration. The main problem I have with most of the game art design courses was their seemingly lack of a focus on actual drawing skills, practice of anatomy, and strong traditional backgrounds.

    Which I guess I have wanted to focus on as it is sort of a basis around here for how to learn art in general and used to build on to lead into concept art.

    Huddersfield deffinatly offers the above, I believe there are a few others in the uk as well like that but they are very few and far between. So I see where you and your friends are comming from.

    I feel Illustration would be a better option anyway, as you get that kind of education, but you are taught to think more in a business sense, and can take that anywhere you want. Rather than just being pigeon holed into just game art design.

    As for the age thing, I have been told that priority goes to younger students for accomodation since there are so few places, hence why I hope that it wont put me at a disadvantage.

    Im refering to the university owned accomodation though, which I would like to get into idealy. Shared housing doesnt have those restrictions I would assume, but it is more expensive.

    Thanks for the response btw, its nice to hear lots of different views on these things since it is such an importent decision to make.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scriar View Post
    The main problem I have with most of the game art design courses was their seemingly lack of a focus on actual drawing skills, practice of anatomy, and strong traditional backgrounds.
    No illustration course in the UK will teach you this either I'm afraid. It's a rarity to get this in a schoole anywhere anymore. Generally because those things require a very simple equation, Quantitiy= Quality. Maybe theres a couple of pointers to help move it along but most courses won't have someone sit over your shoulder and critique your anatomy. Illustration courses in my opinion are their to teach more intangible things. A cumulative effect of how we realte our drawings to whats happening or what we want to depict happening. Composition, visual narrative, communicating and conveying alot with your drawings. Whos to say that after you master all those attributes you mention that your work won't be..... Boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarty View Post
    No illustration course in the UK will teach you this either I'm afraid. It's a rarity to get this in a schoole anywhere anymore. Generally because those things require a very simple equation, Quantitiy= Quality. Maybe theres a couple of pointers to help move it along but most courses won't have someone sit over your shoulder and critique your anatomy. Illustration courses in my opinion are their to teach more intangible things. A cumulative effect of how we realte our drawings to whats happening or what we want to depict happening. Composition, visual narrative, communicating and conveying alot with your drawings. Whos to say that after you master all those attributes you mention that your work won't be..... Boring.
    I understand what you mean, I feel however if you get a good grasp of traditional skills you can combine it with what they teach on an illustration course and make your work much more desirable for a client, and interesting to the viewer.

    Even if they dont teach it at the course Im going to I can still go about teaching myself anything I feel the course may not address. I guess it is quite a specific thing I was looking for when trying to find an art course.

    Ive actually chosen Plymouth because they seem to encourage you to go in whatever direction you want, and they will help you with it to the best of their ability, they offer life drawing classes, and there is a strong art communtity in the area, so everything is there to aid me in to becoming a better artist/illustrator.

    Even if the course is not specific in exactly the areas I would like I feel I can still use it to get to the same point I would like to be in 3 years time, ie to be a competant and versitile illustrator.

    At the moment game design is something I am using as a goal to aim for, but I would like to be able to go into other areas if my opinion or interest change within art in the next few years.

    Which is why I was looking for that specific traditonal art background as I feel you can take that kind of background and expand into anything you want.

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    I understand what you mean, I feel however if you get a good grasp of traditional skills you can combine it with what they teach on an illustration course and make your work much more desirable for a client, and interesting to the viewer.
    i dont think smarty was knocking traditional skills. combined with good old practise there are more than enough resources on the ca forums alone to give u exceptional technical skills. throw some good books, dvds and other websites into the equation and you can easily teach yourself. you just need a good head on your shoulders

    really its just a matter of taking responsibility for your own learning and realising that hard work can compensate for anything a school lacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarty View Post
    Composition, visual narrative, communicating and conveying alot with your drawings.
    I recently got a conditional offer from Loughborough Uni, and during the interview alot of focus was placed on ideas and communication. (The course itself is called Visual Communication) I really look forward to learning about those things Smarty lists, as I can always teach myself anatomy, persepective, lighting (I've got to my current level through personal perseverance) and use this site to build up my technical skills. All I need is time and patience.
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    Scriar : Plymouth is AWESOME! hahah - when was your interview? did ashley interview you?
    Being a mature student wont be frowned upon at all! (To be honest in illustration first year 21 is about the average age.. )
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    As sleep said I was'nt knocking traditional, fundamental stuff at all. Infact if you look at my sketchbook you'll notice thats pretty much all I do. I'm just saying you really don't need a teacher for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EddTQ View Post
    Scriar : Plymouth is AWESOME! hahah - when was your interview? did ashley interview you?
    Being a mature student wont be frowned upon at all! (To be honest in illustration first year 21 is about the average age.. )
    Yeah I think it was Ashley that interviewed me, the interview was on the 29th of April. The interview went well, he said he really liked my Photoshop work, as well as the Loomis and Bridgeman studies I showed him as well.

    He wanted to see more traditional work, specifically life drawing and painting that I mentioned I had done for a short time in the interview I was unable to bring them down though due the size.

    And some written work which admittedly it had not even occurred to me to bring, I was on an IT course previously we did no written work. So I sent him a 3000 word essay I did for Falmouth to try and make up for it. Seems to have worked

    Its nice to hear that the average age is 21, last courses I have been on were mostly 16-17 year olds with the occasional adult. I was a bit worried when I was the only one without a parent on the day. lol

    Smarty: Sorry I must of come across wrong in my response, I get that is what you meant. I was trying to say in my response that I feel that if the illustration course also had a strong traditional background that it could only help to produce better work.

    I agree completely that you don’t need a teacher to teach you traditional work, or any art at all for that matter, university I believe is 90% all on your shoulders to make it work for you.

    I think part of the problem I had with trying to find courses is that I have not come from an art background so only had this site to go by for most of my information about art courses.

    I was trying to find a course like the ones they seem to have in America that have a strong focus on traditional skills and then put that in the context of illustration, game design, entertainment design etc which I had thought were the meant to be the recommended choice of art students. I guess I found out thats not really how it works here.

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    Anyway, cant wait to go to university now, although the amount of hoops Im having to jump through to get funding is a pain. Seems getting a place in university is only half the struggle
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    Recently got accepted into UWE to do Animation! very close 2-month long shave.

    If anyone else is doing the Animation course PM me. It'd be cool to already know at least one person before term starts

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    Hey got conditional from UWE for Illustration .

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    well done rob! all wokred out in the end then

    Well done Yther too, will have to say hello next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob!T View Post
    Recently got accepted into UWE to do Animation! very close 2-month long shave.

    If anyone else is doing the Animation course PM me. It'd be cool to already know at least one person before term starts
    Much respect to you for not letting your previous bad experience there get you down. All the best for when you start.

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    Thumbs up well well well....

    Yo guys. LONG time no post, cool to see everyone is doing well with applications and current courses!

    didn't get into UWE or Plymouth which was a shame as they were some of my top choices. however got conditionals from Swansea met and De Monfort (game art design).

    Had my Portsmouth interview yesterday and he told me in the interview that they would deffo be offering me a place on the illustration course. So Portsmouth it is for me!! just gotta wait for the official offer and try and sort out some accommodation.

    Good to be back, even if it's momentarily.

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    Bournemouth for me next year

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    which Bournemouth are you going to, the arts institute one or Bournemouth university one. im going to the arts institute one to do animation.
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