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zilrion: talk to naomi aka quicksilver. shes at bournemouth, last i heard she liked it (and shes the sensible type)
scriar: any degree actually centered around games/game design is, as a rule of thumb: a load of shit. from what ive heard, professional companies dont look for people from game courses, they look for people from all manner of different disciplines (industrial design, illustration, animation). game design courses look and sound attractive but generally turn out to be a waste of money and time.
then again ive never actually been on one. but this is the strong impression ive got from lots of other ppl. and age wont affect ur chances of accomodation...
There are alot of game art design courses/multimedia courses that are shit. I know what you mean, it is why I started to look into Illustration. The main problem I have with most of the game art design courses was their seemingly lack of a focus on actual drawing skills, practice of anatomy, and strong traditional backgrounds.
Which I guess I have wanted to focus on as it is sort of a basis around here for how to learn art in general and used to build on to lead into concept art.
Huddersfield deffinatly offers the above, I believe there are a few others in the uk as well like that but they are very few and far between. So I see where you and your friends are comming from.
I feel Illustration would be a better option anyway, as you get that kind of education, but you are taught to think more in a business sense, and can take that anywhere you want. Rather than just being pigeon holed into just game art design.
As for the age thing, I have been told that priority goes to younger students for accomodation since there are so few places, hence why I hope that it wont put me at a disadvantage.
Im refering to the university owned accomodation though, which I would like to get into idealy. Shared housing doesnt have those restrictions I would assume, but it is more expensive.
Thanks for the response btw, its nice to hear lots of different views on these things since it is such an importent decision to make.
Even if they dont teach it at the course Im going to I can still go about teaching myself anything I feel the course may not address. I guess it is quite a specific thing I was looking for when trying to find an art course.
Ive actually chosen Plymouth because they seem to encourage you to go in whatever direction you want, and they will help you with it to the best of their ability, they offer life drawing classes, and there is a strong art communtity in the area, so everything is there to aid me in to becoming a better artist/illustrator.
Even if the course is not specific in exactly the areas I would like I feel I can still use it to get to the same point I would like to be in 3 years time, ie to be a competant and versitile illustrator.
At the moment game design is something I am using as a goal to aim for, but I would like to be able to go into other areas if my opinion or interest change within art in the next few years.
Which is why I was looking for that specific traditonal art background as I feel you can take that kind of background and expand into anything you want.
i dont think smarty was knocking traditional skills. combined with good old practise there are more than enough resources on the ca forums alone to give u exceptional technical skills. throw some good books, dvds and other websites into the equation and you can easily teach yourself. you just need a good head on your shouldersI understand what you mean, I feel however if you get a good grasp of traditional skills you can combine it with what they teach on an illustration course and make your work much more desirable for a client, and interesting to the viewer.
really its just a matter of taking responsibility for your own learning and realising that hard work can compensate for anything a school lacks
Visual Communication) I really look forward to learning about those things Smarty lists, as I can always teach myself anatomy, persepective, lighting (I've got to my current level through personal perseverance) and use this site to build up my technical skills. All I need is time and patience.
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My sketchbook, if you really want to see it...
"Picasso is a painter, so am I;... Picasso is Spanish, so am I; Picasso is a communist, neither am I." - Salvador Dali
Scriar : Plymouth is AWESOME! hahah - when was your interview? did ashley interview you?
Being a mature student wont be frowned upon at all! (To be honest in illustration first year 21 is about the average age.. )
As sleep said I was'nt knocking traditional, fundamental stuff at all. Infact if you look at my sketchbook you'll notice thats pretty much all I do. I'm just saying you really don't need a teacher for that.
He wanted to see more traditional work, specifically life drawing and painting that I mentioned I had done for a short time in the interview I was unable to bring them down though due the size.
And some written work which admittedly it had not even occurred to me to bring, I was on an IT course previously we did no written work. So I sent him a 3000 word essay I did for Falmouth to try and make up for it. Seems to have worked
Its nice to hear that the average age is 21, last courses I have been on were mostly 16-17 year olds with the occasional adult. I was a bit worried when I was the only one without a parent on the day. lol
Smarty: Sorry I must of come across wrong in my response, I get that is what you meant. I was trying to say in my response that I feel that if the illustration course also had a strong traditional background that it could only help to produce better work.
I agree completely that you don’t need a teacher to teach you traditional work, or any art at all for that matter, university I believe is 90% all on your shoulders to make it work for you.
I think part of the problem I had with trying to find courses is that I have not come from an art background so only had this site to go by for most of my information about art courses.
I was trying to find a course like the ones they seem to have in America that have a strong focus on traditional skills and then put that in the context of illustration, game design, entertainment design etc which I had thought were the meant to be the recommended choice of art students. I guess I found out thats not really how it works here.
Anyway, cant wait to go to university now, although the amount of hoops Im having to jump through to get funding is a pain. Seems getting a place in university is only half the struggle
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Hey got conditional from UWE for Illustration .
well done rob! all wokred out in the end then
Well done Yther too, will have to say hello next year.
Yo guys. LONG time no post, cool to see everyone is doing well with applications and current courses!
didn't get into UWE or Plymouth which was a shame as they were some of my top choices. however got conditionals from Swansea met and De Monfort (game art design).
Had my Portsmouth interview yesterday and he told me in the interview that they would deffo be offering me a place on the illustration course. So Portsmouth it is for me!! just gotta wait for the official offer and try and sort out some accommodation.
Good to be back, even if it's momentarily.
Bournemouth for me next year
which Bournemouth are you going to, the arts institute one or Bournemouth university one. im going to the arts institute one to do animation.
I guess it's the arts institute, even though they're becoming a University College next month. Doing illustration
Hi everyone -- my name is Michael, I'm 17, just finishing my first year of ND visual communication in Eastbourne, and since they've abolished route B, I'm looking to apply to a BA illustration by the end of this year. I have lurked this site for a while without making any major posts. I'd like to soon get productive and scan some work to show some work on CA.
So far I've been to the Kingston open day, which I liked, but seems not entirely up to my hopes. I have heard good things about Portsmouth, UCA Maidstone (a few others) and obviously since reading this thread lots of good things about UWE, which (predictably) has become my favourite. I don't have any good examples of work online, though a few bits and pieces on an old DeviantArt (mostly things from my induction to the ND) digital-mage.deviantart.com.
So yer... Not that anyone REALLY cares but I just thought I'd like to join the discussion.
Thought I would do a small update, I have just been informed my place at Plymouth is now unconditional.
I found out a couple of days ago that my grades were no where near what I thought they were so I was expecting to be turned down.
p.s It was Tom not Ashley that interviewed me, just remembered ;p
Good Luck to everyone, I hope you all find a university/course you like
Last edited by Scriar; June 27th, 2009 at 04:52 AM.
hi to you all!
Where are a lot of questions i wanted to ask you all, but first probably i talk about my situation. Im living in Lithuania and studying Multimedia Art( BA 4 years) in Siauliai University ( i know what does not make for you big scene but still i need introduce myself, also my name Arunas) okey getting to business, as i said im Multimedia Art student so basically i working with video,effects,photography design and illustration too so basically all stuff i touched little, and now i know whta i want to do for my life draw and im really in digital painting, traditional drawing,digital art,design and illustration think is the best thing where i feel myself comfortable( so i know because i tried in my studies everything from editing movies to creating projects) So next year its gonna be last year in university and after what one thing i really know i will go abroad, and i decided to go to uk,because i love people,i love cities a love beer and football to i been erasmus too, i was in summer in Ireland as street performer,drawend people in the streets and get some money) so i hope have so experience in being abroad and my english isnt so bad and i be able to pass english exams to study abroad.
So what is my motives to study in uk, basically i want knowledge, alot of what, and high quality of learnin, smart lecturers other things isnt so important,because i know what feels to be student and how system works, so really looking for seriuos unversities with experienced lecturers who can beet shite out of me,as person im really determinated and hard working,so not sleepin and drwaing or doing works to university is the way i living.
So folks what i really want from you is to hear solutions,guides to universities,how and what they teach, what to expect me from apply as international student, how system works to EU students, i hope i will have more easier because i allready ended studies and i know something about art.
( i have possibilty to go straight to Norwitch to do MA but i dont wanna go where because its realited with my unversity and i will meet same people as in Lithuania). So i hope i get help from you i know i want study illustration, i hope in kind big city with high level of studies, i wish was last and worst student of all when i have to push myself hard as i can. Probably i said what i want and now i leave with my works just to have idea what i do and what im looking to learn,maybe you have suggsetions to me from my working style witch universities like what style and i can improve where so here is my - deviantart works - http://yellowcardas.deviantart.com/gallery/ sketches and doodles - http://yellowcardas.deviantart.com/g..._browse/scraps
and maybe some movie stuff as i hope one option to combine illustration with animation - http://www.youtube.com/user/Yellowcardas and work done to Norwitch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QYeLkIPoAE
So guys i really appreciate your help in all questions and solutions have nice summer days and be ready for university! good luck lads sry for my english
wow heh, just wanted to say, had a look at your art and all i have to say is, amazing.
ive been looking for a course that is exactly as you described 'a little bit of everything'. so trying to find a multimedia art course in the uk.
ill message you back when i find a few colleges you might be interested in.
So i recomand you Norwitch they are strong in videos and performencas,what my subject taught a bit of everythin,whats not good because you avarage in everywhere but not good at something,and my level studies,well after second year im bored, but in other hand i tried mostly everything so i know hot to make photos,video editing but still i feel i need to learn much more and the best thing is concentrate on one spot - my desicion illustration, so im read this thread, search some info and my now number one probably be bristol, the city is big enuogh, a lot stuff going on the city , have Bristol Fc and they pretty good and from web, your solutions is one of the best in uk, and i feel they are seriuos about art.
Thanks mate i can only suggest try,whats all after you tried everything in life you will know what to choose.
heh, i dont want to be average in everything, but i want to know more than 1 thing. which is why im going to focus on animation and conceptual/illustrative art/games deisgn, i think most likely i will end up going to university in huddersfield as they have the course im looking for.
but man, your art is wow , heh i doubt you are just 'average'. shadow of the sun is brilliant heh, how long have you been working on your art?
it depends what are you compering,because myself still feeling begginer i always keep my mind with new trends,ideas through searching best digital art in deviantart,cgtalk,conceptart where are a lot really great artist, and i hope after studies in uk i can be good just good, someday i wanna reach level as Jason Chan,Andrew Jones but it gonna be long journay to make yourself good artist.And about my art usually i work 2-5 h in painter or photoshop for sketching doodling with brushes after i see what i want to draw,all so to be good you need time and a lot of hard work, no one born with skills,they learned it, and im in digital painting something about year,selfthought.
so still searching info in internet,but didnt find yet what im looking for.I thinking of creating seperate thread but maybe where will be someone helping my out in here, so i would like to know more abou Uwe, Bournemouth,Livingston,Falmouth universities, how to apply for them,because i will end my Ba Multimedia Art studies in Lithuania 2010,and after that i want go study Ba Illustration, so i wanna help from international students or who have same problems as me,or have friends who is in your course from abroad who had same situation as me. I hope i will find questions and solutions from you, i dont wonna make this thread trashy so you can pm me thanks and now i will go looking for information
hm, to apply you need to go to ucas.ac.uk you need to create an account and stuff, it will tell you what you need to do to join the courses, you need to find out course 'numbers' and stuff too.
its fairly basic, and i think the deadline for apps is jan of the year you are planning to join for route a, and may for route b.
I know this thread hasn't been active for a couple of months but I noticed that some people were accepted at the University of Plymouth?
I was wondering whether any of you could share your experience of it, I've read just about everything on the website but I think it's always better to hear it from someone who's studying/has studied there?
I'd like to know more about the quality of students' work, accommodation (in particular Francis Drake Hall if possible) and the option to study abroad during the second year.
Any information at all would be appreciated.
The course seems great at the moment, really laid back attitude by teachers and students alike. Everyone is very helpful, and so far I have had a lot of fun, despite spending all my spare time dealing with student finance delays so I cant tell you about all the extra freshers activities.
There is a lot of space to work, and multiple studios you can go and work in. Such as print rooms, ceramics, computer rooms, our main studio is huge, with lots of space for you to spread out. The studios are spread between the Roland Levenski Building and the building right next to it, the name escapes me lol
Theres also the library which is huge btw lots of books study space and computers to use, cafe etc right next to the building so you can always quickly pop out if you need something.
From what I have experienced so far you are given a brief and left to it, the first week was aimed at getting know everyone, and so far it has worked well. Its a very diverse mix of people, although everyone likes art so you have something in common straight away ;p
Teachers and other students, as well as all the campus staff seem very approachable. It’s genuinely a fantastic atmosphere to be in.
I’m currently in Francis Drake building, and have an ensuite room. To tell the truth I think it is a bit overpriced for what it is. You do get a lot of space, and I personally share a kitchen with just 3 other room m8s.
But stuff like door handles coming off, constant noise from generators and rather audible people directly outside the windows is a little off putting. We all so had a fire alarm test a a day ago at 10pm, wonderful experience when your asleep lol
However you also get plenty of shelving space, everything is within a few minutes walk, plenty of room in the kitchen well in my kitchen at least lol, warden right down the hall if you need anything, cleaners everyday, with post delivered everyday as well, at least from my experience any problem I have had has quickly been dealt with.
Free internet access in your rooms, lots of plugs if you have a lot of electrical equipment all though you cant put like a hoover on for instance or you’ll blow them out. Ensuite isnt bad, although I must of been lucky getting one that hadn’t been cleaned correctly, but again that was quickly fixed.
The noises while annoying I have started to get used to. I would say it is adequate accommodation and really it will be down to you to way up the negatives and the pluses.
Personally I went for the student accommodation because I havent lived away from home before so I didnt want all the fuss of multiple bills, dealing with shared rent, etc that I will be dealing with next year. It might be worth looking around at shared housing, and at the private letting agents linked from the uni site as they all offer 1 rent pays everything deals.
As for Plymouth itself it is quite a busy little place, everything is within walking distance, tons of shops, lots of things to see and do, from what I hear lots of pubs and places to eat havent been able to check them out myself yet :/ And again everyone is very friendly from what I have experienced and helpful.
Theres the Unimedical centre across the road from Francis Drake so you dont have to travel far for any medical attention, and there are a lot of NHS and private Dentists around.
Student union is very helpful, theres a gym on campus that is easily accessible.
Everything is at your door step basically. I would say 90% of the time I have had here so far has been fantastic and much better than I initially thought it would be. The other 10% is mostly because of unrelated issues.
Oh and I have to say I have never seen so many good looking women in one place at any time in my life. But of course you shouldnt be going to uni for that ;p
Anyway hope that is helpful, perhaps ill do an update in a couple of months and say what I think of the course then
Edit: Oh you asked about student work quality, well one thing you will learn very quickly on this course that everyone is different and everyone starts off in a at a different skill level, the course is designed so that everyone can get the help they need to improve. As for what I have seen so far from current first years, its hard to tell we have been doing projects that just wont look good by any definition lol They were really just tasks to get us mixing, and it worked great have 6 good m8s already.
And I am sure Ill try to get to know the others on the course as time goes by. I think with regards as well to quality it is all down to how hard you work. Dont be put off if you come in and everyone is better than you iyo, or worse than you iyo, the idea is that you do the best you can do, and that you look for what will make you better as an artist/illustrator.
And that is pretty much the way the course seems to be run, its designed to make you better, not to make you feel pressured into a perticular way of drawing. There are some very good graphic designers, good fine artists in the traditional sense, and so on, everyone is going to be good at something or you would not be on a course that only has 41 students.
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I am a 23 year old working in the games industry as a creative services assistant (I put together the games packaging so I guess that makes me a print designer)
I'm considering re-training to work in more illustrative/concept art production side of things. Also because I'd love the chance to spend 3 years drawing for personal gain.... AWESOME.
The sort of course I am looking for will focus on skills, technical illustration, draughtsmanship etc... with free reign of good facilities.
The Bristol illustration course looks pretty good, its the only course with the word draughtsmanship in the description so I will be applying for that one. The only issue is that I probably need to live in london, my long term boyfriend, our flat, our cat etc.... would probably be pissed if I up and moved to Bristol for 3 years
Can any one recommend (or poo poo) a course in London? I have signed up for the open day at Brighton since I lived in brighton for 8 years and could stay with friends during the week term times. I went to an illustration open day at Camberwell and while the facilities looked fantastic the course was very conceptual and I wasn't convinced the students could actually... draw... lots of random objects placed near each other and called art....
Help really appreciated!