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October 12th, 2007 #1
I AM Sick of it! [RANT]
So I freelance as often as I can...
One thing i keep coming across is the "Mock up" mentality when dealing with artists. The "draw, paint, layout, design it for me and if I like it, I'll hire you" mentality. I've had enough of it, some people are so accustomed to getting mock ups from new artists that they refuse any other proposals which contain none.
There has to be a way to educate these people, these potential employers. Does anyone have any good links to some good resources for them to read and get educated?
On this last experience I had, I was pretty pissed until the client wrote this at the end of his rant:
As a side note, i am a salesman by profession. I have found that nothing i ever did in the past got me a sale with someone i didn't know today.
Then it was clear that ignorance was at play here.
As a side note, you are a salesman by profession. We are professional artists, not sales men. WE are not trying to "sell" you a piece of our "old" art. We are offering our PROFESSIONAL SERVICES to you. A service which quality can be evidenced by reviewing our portfolios. That is the purpose of having a portfolio sir.
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October 12th, 2007 #3
When they ask you for a mock-up, tell them the billable hours that you will need to complete it. Give no mark-up for a sweetener if they're particularly stupid. If they give you a blank stare or act like they don't want to pay you for it, tell them that you could do this mockup and get paid for it, doing a professional job, or they can look for a student to do it with no promise of money that will be completed in their spare time. Ask them how professional they want to be about it.
I think the thought of some stoned student drawing while watching family guy would be enough to make them realize your seriousness is an asset.
Also, ask them if they would do an 'example' job for free. If they're selling something, ask if they'd design, produce and give something away something for free for a consumer to make their decision on whether to buy the product in the future.
October 12th, 2007 #4
I take offense to that rhineville...I am not stoned (yet) and I do watch Family Guy while I draw sometimes. Is there something wrong with that? :p
You handled it pretty well OP. Do what Rhineville suggested about billing them for the mock-up. I do it all the time when dealing with a potential website design. Do a few quick mocks, let them pick, and then go at the one they decide.
Good luck and if you ever find anything, post here so we all can see.
October 12th, 2007 #5Ellingsworth GuestI think the thought of some stoned student drawing while watching family guy would be enough to make them realize your seriousness is an asset.
JL.Alfaro: Sucks man, don't get overly stressed out about it, dude.
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October 12th, 2007 #8
Thanks Mark winters, thats a really good site!
I will pass along the info
PS: thanks for that hug Michelle pld:
October 12th, 2007 #9
sounds like they want your work for free. i'd be careful here. it wouldn't be the first time if a company published someone's mock ups without the artist being paid. now thats shitty.
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My first question to any client is always, "do you have a budget for this?"
This puts them back on their heels and immediately alerts them that this is a professional operation that runs on a payment basis. The project is not "for the fun of it" and . hey buddy, we ain't pals... yet!
If they say "I'd like to see some mockup before beginning" you say, "the way I do it is a split up payment into three sections, always including up front money to begin. The upfront money, in the event the client backs out, is to be considered a "kill fee". (Don't call it a kill fee, by the way, just say its the first installment to begin work.)
Once a client pays the first installment, they rarely walk away from the project. (In my experience)
If any argument arises from this arrangement, just keep saying, "this is the way I work." Never say, "I'm sorry but..." Don't say, "I'm protecting myself" or "I've been screwed in the past". Just say, this is the way I work, I do professional work, as I am sure you do, and we both would expect a professional arrangement.
Working with an agency is often different as they get paid by clients and then the pay you, so payment takes longer. And they may not go for an incremental payment schedule.
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October 12th, 2007 #11As a side note, i am a salesman by profession. I have found that nothing i ever did in the past got me a sale with someone i didn't know today.
Kev is right, I wouldn't lower your standards for someone who is already showing signs of difficulty...and complete ignorance.
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October 12th, 2007 #12
Thanks guys, I appreciate the info
Im not working with the guy, it was a discussion from a proposal submission...and Im out of that since he is a bit "difficult" and "ignorant". pardon my french.
October 12th, 2007 #13
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