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    Falling angel (contains nudity), plus a VERY freaky occurrence.

    Here is one of the pieces I am working on, The Fall of the Aeon Sophia. It's inspired by the (possibly tenuous) link between the Gnostic Sophia and the occult idol Baphomet. Now I noticed a freaky, not to say spooky thing when I was transferring the first photo I took of this from my camera. The lips, which have never been anything other than pink since they were painted, looked dark blue/purple/almost black. They were like that in the camera's memory card, and on the the image as it transferred to my computer. I thought it very odd that only the lips and not the rest of the face would be a different colour, if it was a fault in the camera, and actually thought for a minute that someone (God knows who) had tampered with the painting and recoloured the lips. So I rushed back upstairs to check, but no, the lips were pink as ever. In the second photograph taken they look as they should. How odd that such a weird and inexplicable thing should happen, especially in relation to a picture with occult subject matter! I attach the photos taken not a minute apart and swear on my mother's life I'm not making this up. I am rather alarmed about it actually.

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    Don't let it freak you out, dashinvaine. PC's are weird things. Funnily enough, my husband specialises in icons, despite the fact that he's a lapsed Catholic and he hasn't been hit by a lightning bolt yet!

    (Mind you,- if he prefers watching football to taking me out just ONE more time.........)

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    Exept it seems to have happened with the camera. It's the strangest thing I can recall ever happening. I'll tell you something else strange. The photo is still in the camera's memory card, and when you scroll through the photos to it, the lips at first look normal pink red, then quickly turn blue purple. They are the only parts of the picture to change colour. I wish I could show you. Also the blue-lipped picture happened to be taken at 13 minutes past midnight, I've just noticed on there, if I wasn't feeling spooked enough already. In the corner:

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    Don't be spooked. There be monsters!

    Strange stuff happens, in life and in art. It's probably a technical glitch somewhere; don't let it weird you out,- just accept that strange things happen. They do. It doesn't always mean anything. Relax......

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    I can't tell you whats going on with your camera but I did take your faces into photoshop and checked things out in the color picker.

    Taking a sample from the wing by he shoulder in each and the gold in the halo of each the value difference was pretty consistent the blue lipped one being slightly darker, but not much and the hue difference was generally a small step towards green. The intensity went in opposite directions but not being able to know if I got the exact same position can account for that.

    On the lips however the value difference was generally quite large, especially on the upper lip. The color also took major steps on the color bar, but this time away from green. The intensity remained roughly the same on the lower lip but changed dramatically on the upper lip.

    I then converted it to CMYK since I'm used to it from when I worked at a newspaper. Attached is a copy of the cyan plate. You'll notice that the only significant difference in Cyan levels between the two is in fact the lips.

    What I can conclude from this is that it is safe to rule out the possibility of it being a visual or lighting trick. The lips really are bluer. and I do not know why the camera would do that.

    Anyways just wanted to add my findings, I love a good mystery.

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    [edit]Totally forgot how much the internet hates CMYK.

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    It is uncanny. The camera took the photo properly, and then something inside it decided to change the lip colour. Technical glitch or supernatural omen? that is the question...

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    possibly because it's darker the camera decided to pick one tint from the area to fill the whole area for compression? (Idk I'm pretty dumb about some things) I quite like the blue lips though. o_o

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    The blue/black lips give the look of death, even the shadow below suggests disgorged blood. I hope it's not an omen. I've never been one to put much stock in matters mystical and supernatural, but the scientific expanation's proving elusive, especially as it seems the camera at first registered the image correctly, and then something got into it to make it change the lip colour. Uncanny.

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    is it just me or do you guys also notice the shade-like structure below the lips on the darker one.....

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    Every color is ok, as long as its black...
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    Yes, that is there in the photo, I can't accout for it. Gives the impression of disgorged stale blood or something.

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    Oh PUH-LEASE. Do you really think the universe cares enough about your picture to bother screwing with it?
    Screwy shit happens. Unexplained does not equal unexplainable.


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    OH SHIT JPEG ARTIFACT!
    or at least that's what it looks like.

    damn compression.

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    You know what that shaded area under Blue-Lips' mouth reminds me of? The red-eye-fix tool in Picasa...

    Just a thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Oh PUH-LEASE. Do you really think the universe cares enough about your picture to bother screwing with it?
    Screwy shit happens. Unexplained does not equal unexplainable.
    I don't say that it does. I don't suppose the universe (or god, or the devil, if they exist) cares much about my paintings. I don't, however, entirely rule out the possibility that something out there might be remotely interested in my soul, and might send such a sign my way as a sort of message or warning. Even if the cosmic power in question chooses to do it by causing technology to perform unaccountable operations. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a great believer in the supernatural. I normally fall firmly into the eye-rolling sceptic camp. I actually don't know what to think, now. I would prefer to accept a more mundane explanation, were one to present itself, as that would free me from worrying about the spiritual consequences of painting such things. (Not that I am unduly worried, just caused to wonder...) I don't know what Picasa is, by the way, or what is meant by a JPEG artifact.

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    don't say that it does. I don't suppose the universe (or god, or the devil, if they exist) cares much about my paintings. I don't, however, entirely rule out the possibility that something out there might be remotely interested in my soul, and might send such a sign my way as a sort of message or warning. Even if the cosmic power in question chooses to do it by causing technology to perform unaccountable operations.
    If that's the best they can come up with in terms of manifestations, then I wouldn't worry about it.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a great believer in the supernatural. I normally fall firmly into the eye-rolling sceptic camp.
    No, you don't.


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    Normally I like to believe in the supernatural, but this just isn't doing it for me. The picture with the purple lips is slightly darker, and if you look closely the shadow has two staight lines and an what appears to be a ninety degree angle. This has got to be a technical glitch, nothing supernatural has taken interest in this painting.
    The painting itself is pretty good so far, but the neck seems a little thin to me.

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    Dashinvaine, if you're worried about this painting being a warning against doing this kind of subject and the painting is creeping you out, then the answer is simple; destroy the painting. If it's an oil painting use turps until it's a muddy brown mess, if it's acrylic burn it, if it's digital, deconstruct it layer by layer and crush all the images that you've put up on the net; then there'll be nothing left of it to disturb you.....

    If, however, you choose to keep working on it despite supernatural worries, then the flames need a little work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    No, you don't.
    I assure you I DO. Normally. Anyway, enough going on about the lips business. I only mentioned it as an anecdote. Thanks to the others for the critiqes, more appreciated.

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    hey dude! hows it going, k.

    i agree with alesoun on the flames.

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    I sense a tense air in this thread. Hardly professional to shoot down another's beliefs and insult another's kindness to share a strange occurance with his peers.
    anyway, to bring this back to a positive crit - i agree that the flames need work. Perhaps there's a blazing inferno below her, giving a nice orange glow frome underneath. I'd like to see some destruction on her wings. I'd like to see this turn a bit darker. The subject matter seems to think so also. Personally i like the purple lips, the camera might have given you the strongest critique so far. good luck, good work.

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    Thanks. I agree, it's quite effective with the dark lips which never were. If I do paint the lips purple, though, no-one will ever believe me that the photos were take in this order! Not that I have any axe to grind or that I care what people believe about what unseen forces may or may not inhabit the universe (beyond the curious fact that for whatever reason the camera lies). The picture is far from finished. I don't know if anyone has any tips on painting realistic flames or singeing feathers. Also I wonder whether to attempt to have her lit by the flames or to leave the lighting as it is. Also does the blue at the top work? It's supposed to signify the heavenly domain being lost in the distance.

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    I did not take time to read all the comments about the "freaky" thing happening with the lips, except that I like Elwell's comment about the universe not caring enough to screw around with it, and I echo that sentiment. I would say that the color variation is due to the lighting. In the one picture where her lips are the right color, the lighting looks much brighter, and in the picture with the purple lips, the lighting is much darker, throwing shadows and subdued light over the surface of the painting. This, of course, would/could explain the color variation. Ask any photographer about it, the lighting can change the colors that the camera lense reads. The cosmos, god, or ultimate being or whatever does not micro-manage the human race, nor care at all about our creations. They are too busy smoking crack.

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    hey dude, heavenly domain? ok, to me it looks like the edge of earth, which I personally feel is an angle you could follow. making everything a little more physical, you’ve seen 2001: A Space odyssey with the starchild; that film was seminal!

    Oh and for the record: if atoms can appear and then disappear and reappear in the same spot then we can assume there are multiple dimensions and in turn we have a LONG way to go as far as our understanding of the universe (which in itself is a giant organism constantly changing). And how the hell everything truly interconnects; Hope I didn’t lose you guys. I mean… Didn’t scientists decide there was a 67% chance that god exists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miloman View Post
    I mean… Didn’t scientists decide there was a 67% chance that god exists?
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    This was so incredibly goofy that I had to look it up, and what do you know...
    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...3D83414B7F0000
    First of all, it's not scientists, it's one "scientist." Secondly, the operative word here is decide.


    dashinvane, just out of curiosity, what kind of camera do you have, and does it have any sort of automatic red-eye reduction?


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    May I now be the first to say... wtf?

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    As a few of you have hinted at-- red-eye reduction is not the work of God, but a rather unintellegent feature that can't distinquish the reddish-pink glare of the lips from the red glare of an actual eye. I would be curious to know if your camera has some sort of post-processing red-eye reduction, thus accounting for that very obviously cropped in rectangle desaturation artifact around the lips.

    Benefit of the doubt, I don't believe you are perpetuating a hoax-- I believe the camera is annoyingly muddling your picture because it doesn't understand your art

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    Haha, the red eye thingy... That sounds quite likely. I shall have to experiment. 67% sounds about right for the chances of there being a god. Give the old bugger the benefit of the doubt, I suppose. It seems, though that I won't quite yet have to take my camera down to the Catholic church to see if they have any priests who do exorcisms. I was a bit worried about the holy water damaging it anyway, so that's a relief! The camera is a Nikon coolpix s1, and it does have a red eye reducer function, which it might have been switched to.

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