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July 21st, 2007 #1
I want to get better ( Back from 2 years in the wilderness )
Time to lose the intro story. Everyone knows who am now. If you don't then all you need to know I started drawing in April 07 and I love art and I want to improve.
So the first posts here are what I did 2 hours a week for 10 weeks (starting April 2007). Since then I started a sketchbook and have been going to museums and gallerys to checkout as much other work as possible. Art is now pretty much permeating all aspects of my life. Slowly more and more of my time is being spent trying to learn about drawing. Then I came across this fabulous site and thought this i just what i need. I have no real direction apart from wanting to improve. So hopefully some good critique will give me some structure and direction. Sorry to anyone who has already read this when it was first posted on the Critiques forum. Someone suggested I post here instead so here I am.
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First: Acrylic on pva'd A1. I used sponges and cotton balls. I all dried to quick to undo things and to layer.
Second: Oil on pva'd A1. Again sponges and cotton balls. This was more interesting as you could take away with turpentine to high light and erase.
Although I feel the face in the first has more about it than the second.
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There's already some great improvement here! Art is a particularly good activity for situations like this, because it is almost fully a mental activity, so almost no physical handicap can hold you back. And even if you're clumsy, signing you're name takes far more dexterity than you'll ever need to draw or paint (I sort of stole that last part from Richard Schmid, though.)
To help supplement your life drawings, I suggest you find some Loomis books, particularly "Figure drawing for all it's worth", and maybe even Bridgman's "Life Drawing" if you don't like Loomis. You'll be able to find the Bridgman books quite easily, but don't even try for a physical copy of Loomis. A quick search on the forums should get you a link to a free pdf file. Loomis in particular has some great chapters on proportion and foreshortening.
Oh, and one more tip. If you want to add an extra dimnsion of depth, draw the shadow the figure is casting.
Well, I hope this can help you somewhat. Good luck, and keep it up!
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July 23rd, 2007 #22
The biggest thing that helped me when learning was understanding the difference between right brain and left brain thinking.
Most people think and draw first with their left brain. It is a descriptive form of drawing, and uses gineric iconic shapes to imply recognisable features and objects. Stick figures are, i think, the ultimate form of left brain thinking.
Right brain thinking is abstract. The eye see's only shapes of contrast. Abstract shapes that do not hold any meaning to what they belong to, but when you place them together, in proper relationship to each other, they read as a rendered object. Its a lot like the Matrix, "There is no spoon". When you draw an eye, there is no eye. There is a blob of dark shaped like this... and a blob of light shaped like this... and another blob here....
when you back away from it, it looks like an eye.
thats the simplest way I can think to describe the two. But of course there is a lot of exploring to do with it. as far as 'one over the other' They are both usefull and I find should be used together. The left side is much better at working out distances, measurements, proportions, etc, but the right side of the brain is better at applying proper shadow shapes, values, composition, etc...
You draw mostly on your left, which you are good at. Most of your figures are fairly accurate in proportion, and I have no problem Identifying whats going on. You have started to move a little into the right brain abstract, but I think you rely on the line work to carry your image.
Just remember, the only reason you can see someones nose is because there is a shadow shape being cast by it. Describe that shape, and you will describe the nose. There is no need to outline a nostril, or to draw a long line down the ridge. just the shadows it casts, as accurate as you can.
Heres some eye's showing the difference between left and right. again not one is better that the other, but left is descriptive and flat. Graphic. This can be usefull. The right is abstract shapes, rounded, realistic. This can be usefull as well. Notice if you took just part of that abstract shape out of context, you'd have no idea what it was. It's just wierd odd shaped blobs of black. But with all its neighbor blobs in proper relation to it, we read it as an eye.
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You've got some good stuff going phil for someone who has just started. One thing that I can suggest is that before you start rendering, that you check your proportions. When you get your line art correct, the rest is easy. Keep Drawing! Good stuff.
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July 24th, 2007 #24
Dile : Thanks for popping by and the words of encouragement
Spazazo : Thanks for the encouragement too
Codenothing : Thanks for the time and effort. I can see exactly what you mean. But it still seems very alien to try and draw it that way. I find myself doing the lines then trying to render them away. I'm sure this will get easier with practice.
Sburto20 : Thanks I'll try to pay more attention to that
Arkos78 : Thanks for that link to gesture drawing tutorial http://www.art.net/studios/visual/Re...eDrawing1.html
The next for drawings were exercises in capturing things quickly. Not so much gesture as who/clothing/situation. The quotes had nothing to do with the situations.
The first drawing was done over ten minutes stood on a street corner. Stare watch then draw. Done in pencil first then pen to tidy them up and a water colour wash.
The second pretty much the same idea while having a cuppa in a local church tea room.
The third some images drawn quickly with pen during lunch in a local arcade.
The final again pen drawing. Draw a lot of different squares then draw random images of things around you. About 30s per drawing max.
This was a very strange experience that seemed to cause constant conflict as to what I should represent, how to draw it and without too much detail. I seem to be using my left brain sybolism rather than analysing and drawing what is there. Again I think something to practice for capturing situations and moods which can be later expanded upon.
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July 26th, 2007 #25
True! drawing things in the abstract way is VERY alien to most people when they are learning it. and its tough to get comfortable with it. But once you do you'll notice a huge difference in your work.
Though being drawn to line work is not a bad thing at all! there are tons of awsome artists who work almost exclusively with expressive line work. But having that abstract 'block in' ability mindset to access will round out your skill set.
onward cap'n! keep postin!
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July 27th, 2007 #26
Codenothing : I've taken what you said on board and tried a drawing using a square stick of graphite. Hopefully forcing me to work in tones rather than lines. It may not look like much and the textured paper probably doesn't help but I was quite pleased with how it turned out.
Off doing some life drawing next week and am really looking forward to it. I've got a few ideas to try out after the advice I was given.. If I get some time to myself I'll try to do a few before. If not I will have a batch of drawings to post by monday evening.
July 27th, 2007 #27
Interesting story, I got to say. You said you had some Hogarth books, his stuff are brilliant. Especially Dynamic Figure Drawing, building up figures with blocks and cylinders... it's great. Not sure what constrictive words I can offer you apart from keep on drawing, it's strong of you. Also keep practising the guitar!
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August 4th, 2007 #29
Sarcophphagus and Robz : Thanks for popping by guys it'a always nice nice to have some support.
Sorry I haven't posted anything from life drawing, my camera is on the fritz and too busy to get it fixed at the mo. Hopefully get it sorted by early next week.
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August 12th, 2007 #30
4 Day Life Drawing 30/07/07 to 2/08/07
Ok folks final got my camera and laptop speaking. I was really looking forward to the life drawing, had loads of ideas for new ways to look at and draw things. But when it came down to it my brain still seems to be overwhelmed by what to do first. I guess this will ease the more I do. So here are Day 1's attempts.
First one charcoal and pastel on newspaper roughly A2
Second graphite on A2. Just lost where I was going with this one
Day 2's attempts.
First charcoal and pastel on A2
Second Oil(raw Umber) on Pva sealed A1. Was going to be an Ebauche style with light colour added when raw umber was dry but model was unable to do next day so unfinished.
Day 3's doings
First charcoal on A2 layout sketch
Second charcoal and pastel on A2
Day 4 Bonus day
The course was only supposed to be 3 days but the guy in charge managed to get us another day if we split the cost for the model between us. Charcoal on A1 kinda got lost towards the end of the day.