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    I said imitate a scene, not realise a scene....

    I said imitate a scene, not realise a scene.
    Khawlaazwar's question was about verisimilitude and its artistic worth. As I understood it, the question eating him is why the hand-made image of a good...
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    What you see is what there is. What you see isn't...

    What you see is what there is. What you see isn't any different from anyone else.
    A camera can imitate the scene better and quicker than you (or me, and I've been doin' art for 30 years)

    So go...
  3. Well, this thread looks a little more like the CA...

    Well, this thread looks a little more like the CA of old.
    Trouble is, it feels like a few of us old timer's sitting in a flyblown bar in ghost town.

    I think Elwell is lying out there somewhere,...
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    dpaint is right about Charles Reid, he is very...

    dpaint is right about Charles Reid, he is very good indeed.
    The very best way to learn, apart from doing and doing and doing, is to look at the very best in the genre. Turner is one of the all time...
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    Art: Nice work. I particularly like the last one.

    Nice work. I particularly like the last one.
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    'Survival thinking' is not in itself a predator....

    'Survival thinking' is not in itself a predator. And Aesthetic thinking isn't it's food. Why the need for a 'defensive mechanism'?
  7. Maybe the Sistine Chapel was the Pope's toilet,...

    Maybe the Sistine Chapel was the Pope's toilet, known then as the Cistern Crapel. Pope Julius allowed that Mike Angelo workman to use it and so liked the graffiti he had left behind, he decided to...
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    Our conscious mind is given information that...

    Our conscious mind is given information that suggests a future threat (as distinct from immediate, physical threat). The subconscious responds with a supply of adrenaline that we perceive as anxiety....
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    Why not? The fact they are separate is what...

    Why not? The fact they are separate is what distinguishes them.
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    Bill, there has to be. Otherwise art from the...

    Bill, there has to be. Otherwise art from the past could not communicate to us emotionally, ever.

    I'll take the example of music, because that is less encumbered by the 'conscious wool gathering'...
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    They either do not have the sensibility to be...

    They either do not have the sensibility to be emotionally reactive to what is physically there on the physical, graphic surface of the Waterhouse or they are announcing a political attitude in...
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    That's absolutely true, and your example corners...

    That's absolutely true, and your example corners the question perfectly.
    There are two things going on when witnessing a work of art. A direct, subconscious reaction to the physical, gestural...
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    [QUOTE=Gibi;3698419]Who are those Mandarin high...

    [QUOTE=Gibi;3698419]Who are those Mandarin high priests you are talking about? Do you think Darwin had influence on what people think art is today?
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    They are among the ranks of the public...
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    TASmith! What! I'm gonna burn you at the stake...

    TASmith! What! I'm gonna burn you at the stake for heresy! :)

    This is what's causing all the problem for hundreds of thousands of talented people out there. Our culture has been brainwashed by the...
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    Vineris: That's a good point, perfectly put! ...

    Vineris: That's a good point, perfectly put!

    Gibi: Thanks for your recent post. Especially as I can come over a little sharp when trying to nail down something I believe more important than usual...
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    Saying I'm agitated, likening me to a devious...

    Saying I'm agitated, likening me to a devious politician, saying I'm ashamed of admitting you are right and calling me closed minded does not counter my argument.
    Your focus is on me in relation to...
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    Assuming this question is being posed to me: ...

    Assuming this question is being posed to me:

    When you love something, when you care about something, when something you have dreamed up gives you a sense of epiphany that you long to share with...
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    Then it almost certainly is.

    Then it almost certainly is.
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    Star Trek - Into Darkness. Pretty sequences of...

    Star Trek - Into Darkness.
    Pretty sequences of 3D mayhem alternating with exposition-heavy scenes of characters making blubbing declarations about the emotional significance of what has just...
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    Our human commonality is not the same thing as...

    Our human commonality is not the same thing as having something to say that is important.
    Shakespeare and Rembrandt felt as we do. What they had to say about that was put together as an aesthetic...
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    You are saying it is subjective. And that is the...

    You are saying it is subjective. And that is the same as saying there is no consensus as to what it is. Consensus is a prerequisite for the establishment of meaning.
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    Gibi: So when one person says something is art...

    Gibi: So when one person says something is art and another says it is not... What is it? Both things at the same time? Half art, half not art? Neither?
    What you are saying, particularly as you use...
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    Why do you make an image with your hands? What...

    Why do you make an image with your hands?
    What exactly are you doing mentally when you place coloured mud onto a surface (or the simulacra of the process with digital technology)?
    Is your goal to...
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    That, my dear Ms Spot, is gonna take a long...

    That, my dear Ms Spot, is gonna take a long time...
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    Why should you paint? To say what you cannot...

    Why should you paint?
    To say what you cannot write or sing.
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