alias sketchbook pro 2.0

[untiedknot]

Cool this is my first post. Well, i got my hands on this program and started playing around with it today. seems pretty lame really. doesn't look like you can free rotate canvas. rendering and brushes aren't nearly as good as painter. The only things that are cool are the pallet layouts and controls. at this point i'd rather sketch by hand. I was just wondering if anybody uses this program for sketching? Also is there a way to auto correct freehand drawn elipses? I thought i heard of a program that can do that.

[artmessiah]

Sketchpro is not lame, the program is what it is meant to be a sketching program - like real pencil and paper with no fancy brushes. I use it to do my pencil work because I love the open gui. If you want to do something more than concept sketches or more finished work look into Painter or free programs like artrage, artweaver or twistedbrush. BTW you can rotate the canvas in Alias SB - give it a chance its the best sketchbook program because of the gui and smooth brush control. Just remember it was never meant to be more than just a simple way of jotting down ideas. Check out this guy - he has endorsed Alias SB pro in the past

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=86770

Take care

[Senira]

I love using SB pro for the underlines to all my cg pieces...it's faster and more efficient than PS or painter when it comes to just sketching, and I can knock out thumbs and layouts in a lot less time than I can in most other programs. It's one of my favorites, actually.

[Improv]

Cool this is my first post. Well, i got my hands on this program and started playing around with it today. seems pretty lame really. doesn't look like you can free rotate canvas. rendering and brushes aren't nearly as good as painter. The only things that are cool are the pallet layouts and controls. at this point i'd rather sketch by hand. I was just wondering if anybody uses this program for sketching? Also is there a way to auto correct freehand drawn elipses? I thought i heard of a program that can do that.

An alternative to Sketchbook Pro that you might want to consider is ArtRage2:

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

And the price is only $20! :-)

[untiedknot]

how do you free rotate the canvas? All i can do is rotate it in 90 increments.

[Improv]

how do you free rotate the canvas? All i can do is rotate it in 90 increments.

In Sketchbook Pro or ArtRage2?

[Graphyte]

In Sketchbook Pro or ArtRage2?

Lol, in Sketchbook Pro! I've been using this program for ages and my only complaint has been the lack of free canvas rotation. Don't tell me it's been lurking somewhere right under my nose this entire time...

[Improv]

In Sketchbook Pro or ArtRage2?

Lol, in Sketchbook Pro! I've been using this program for ages and my only complaint has been the lack of free canvas rotation. Don't tell me it's been lurking somewhere right under my nose this entire time...

ArtRage2 has 360 degree rotation, just use hotkey 'r' and rotate the canvas.
(Unlike Sketchbook Pro at 10x the price!) :yawn:

Try ArtRage2 and decide for yourself:

http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html

[Graphyte]

I know what ArtRage is, it sucks for high res files (chugs and thrashes like an alcoholic). Is free rotation availible in Sketchbook. If not does anyone know if it will in the future? Autodesk's site is pretty brief on Sketchbook...I hope they're not going to abandon it. It's the best sketching program there is IMO, the interface is perfect.

[artmessiah]

I know what ArtRage is, it sucks for high res files (chugs and thrashes like an alcoholic). Is free rotation availible in Sketchbook. If not does anyone know if it will in the future? Autodesk's site is pretty brief on Sketchbook...I hope they're not going to abandon it. It's the best sketching program there is IMO, the interface is perfect.

In Sketchbook there is a "move/rotate/scale" function in the toolbox menu - the tool icon looks like an arrow with a directional sign under it. The shortcut key is the letter "V".

Take care

[Graphyte]

That's "rotate layer", It's a transform function that actually modifies the layer. I just want to rotate the view, which rotates all layers without modifying them. I want what Painter does when I hit the space & alt keys simultaneously.

[Improv]

I know what ArtRage is, it sucks for high res files

On your system, perhaps. What do you call high res files? You must be doing something silly like 1200 dpi! :rolleyes:

You obviously have a closed mind, so enjoy Sketchbook 'pro'.

Bye, bye!

[Jin]

Improv,

I think Graphyte may be referring to the maximum dimensions allowed for an ArtRage image. I have the original free ArtRage version, 1.1 and, unless the newer version is different in this respect, a new ArtRage image is limited to the user's screen resolution. In my case, that would be 1280 x 1024 pixels max.

When I Export an ArtRage image, it's automatically set to 72 ppi.

1280 x 1024 at 72 ppi = a total of 1,310,720 pixels in the image (this is what I think Graphyte referred to as "resolution").

That means, when printed, the image would be 17.778 x 14.222 inches at 72 ppi. (A low quality larger dimension print.)

If the Resolution (PPI) were changed in Painter to 300 ppi, the image, when printed, would be 4.267 x 3.413 inches at 300 ppi. (A high quality smaller dimension print.)

In other words, not enough pixels to do a whole lot with unless all you want is a small print.


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[Graphyte]

Whatever emo boy. Actually, I was pretty impressed with ArtRage at first but became disenchanted with it after using it for a while. You don't need a 1200dpi image to slow it down, 300 is just fine. The program runs considerably slower than any other program I've used at that res or anything higher. Panning is sluggish, rotate is ridiculously sluggish (almost not worth using) and the layer interface isn't exactly what I'd call...intuitive. You can't even set the resolution directly because you can only measure in pixels. So you have to break out your calculator if you want accurate sizing. That being said the brushes are great (especially impasto) and so are the paper settings and the cursor but ultimately, you can't do anything in ArtRage that you can't do better pretty much anywhere else. The only thing it has going for it is its price tag.

Jin, I was using my friend's copy of the program (he swears by it) so I was able to size the image beyond 1680 x 1050.

And the bad news is...it doesn't look like Sketchbook has rotate canvas :( If it did I'd use it almost exclusively. Well, lets hope Autodesk doesn't let it rot. Doesn't look good though, the only version they mention on their site is v1.1, I've got 2.0.

[Improv]

Improv,

I have the original free ArtRage version, 1.1 and, unless the newer version is different in this respect, a new ArtRage image is limited to the user's screen resolution. In my case, that would be 1280 x 1024 pixels max. ........

The latest version, ArtRage2.2 does not limit the size of your image. You have the option of specifying image size as 'Use Screen Size' , 'Use Tracing Image Size' or to specify your own width and height; which is only limited (of course) by the power of your computer.

Cheers

[Jin]

Hi Improv,

Thanks for confirming the newer version allows a larger image size. That's a good thing!


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[Improv]

Hi Improv,

Thanks for confirming the newer version allows a larger image size. That's a good thing! ................

I also have a question in to ArtRage Support asking about the export resolution.

I bought AR as a quick sketch app and found it a great little program. And for $20, why not encourage the developers? :-)

AR2 complements Painter X quite well. And the developers are some of the most helpful I have seen.

IMHO, Sketchbook 'Pro' is just another overpriced Adobe product. $200 for SBP when ArtRage may very well have 99% of the functionality needed by most users? And AR2 full version is only $20?

Instead of spending $200 for SBP, spend $20 on ArtRage and use the other $180 to save up for Painter. Talk about a no brainer-jsut do it! :)

[Improv]

Improv,
When I Export an ArtRage image, it's automatically set to 72 ppi.


And that's about to change. ArtRage 2 is a product under serious heavy development. Here is their reply to me:

"Default esport resolution is 72 DPI to Photoshop PSDs.
In ArtRage 2.2 there isn't a way to change the DPI, however you can change it once you're inside Photoshop.

However! ArtRage 2.5 does have the ability to set and change the DPI settings, which affects exporting to Photoshop and printed output.

ArtRage 2.5 is currently in Beta testing, and we'll soon be making a formal announcement about it."

[Jin]

I wonder if they'll also use the correct terminology, PPI instead of DPI?

:D

[Improv]

>I wonder if they'll also use the correct terminology, PPI instead of DPI?

Why don't you ask them? Go get 'em Jinny! ;-)

Seriously-you're good at convincing people...

[Jin]

They'll figure it out, or not. So may people use DPI and apparently don't even know what it means that I guess ArtRage users won't care either.

Besides, I'm all out of convincing energy tonight. ;)


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[Improv]

They'll figure it out, or not. So may people use DPI and apparently don't even know what it means that I guess ArtRage users won't care either.

Besides, I'm all out of convincing energy tonight. ;)


I was thinking about the ArtRage2 developers. If you remember where you wrote out a post about ppi vs dpi, I'll email it to them (with your permission, of course.) You're not the only one who believes in defining your terms properly in the interest of good communication. (Makes me think of the number of times that I have seen people on the net use 'mute point' instead of 'moot point')

As for lack of energy, I here ya-I've been sick with a flu all week. The highlight of my day right now is cruising the web forums that I'm on....
Even Painter makes me woozy right now...mores the pity...:-(

[Jin]

Hi Improv,

Sorry to hear you've been sick. Me too, for the past couple of weeks but the worst of it was early last week. Suppose you got it from me? California's not that far from where you live, after all.

I'd rather you not send anything I write to anyone. If I remember to look for something on the subject of DPI/PPI tomorrow, I'll give you the URL and you can send that to them. Reading it in context of a thread might let them know it's important enough to bother with.

"mute point", eh? ;)

Something like "adniral" and "excape" and oh yes! "nucular".

Dontcha just love those mangled words?

Take it easy, Doug. Too much woozy can make you sick.


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[Jin]

Improv,

Knowing I'd forget, I spent a few minutes hunting down some threads you can point the ArtRage folks to. I must have written this same explaination a thousand times and a thousand ways, some long, some short.

Here are a couple of threads in which I explained DPI vs. PPI. Coincidentally, my explanations are in post #3 in each of the threads.


Post # 3 in this thread:

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97161


Post #3 in this thread:

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75027


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[Improv]

Sorry to hear you've been sick. Me too, for the past couple of weeks but the worst of it was early last week. Suppose you got it from me? California's not that far from where you live, after all.

Hey, don't laugh, Arnold (the Envoironator) arrived in Vancouver yesterday to talk with our Premier. Maybe he brought it up here? Y'all been partying in Sacremento? ;-)

Arnold invented concern for the envoironment you know! :rolleyes: (Just like Al Gore invented the Internet!)


I'd rather you not send anything I write to anyone. If I remember to look for something on the subject of DPI/PPI tomorrow, I'll give you the URL and you can send that to them.


Cool, that's fine with me, I always ask first.


"mute point", eh? ;)

Ya-I guess that means 'one who can't hear the point? I even heard someone once use the term moo-ed point, and no, they were NOT joking. <sigh> Trust me no one's gonna be in awe of your great vocabulary!


Something like "adniral" and "excape" and oh yes! "nucular".


Who said that? Could it be George Bush! <shock!>
My fav of his is instead of saying Bylaws and Terrifs, he said 'Barristers and Terriers' Guess lawyers gotta walk their dog too! ;-)

Hmm-3 politicians and not a Painter user amongst them! (My attempt at an ontopic save! Sorry folks...)



Take it easy, Doug. Too much woozy can make you sick.


Thanks Jinny-I don't need any more woozy-got enough already!

Cheers

[Fredbt]

On the subject of misused words, the one I see most often on the Internet is "then" instead of "than"

Example: This is better then that.

[Improv]

On the subject of misused words, the one I see most often on the Internet is "then" instead of "than"

Example: This is better then that.

Then of course there is the tendency to use several words when one would suffice. Like using 'At this point in time' instead of 'now'. I like to call it CNN syndrome! :-)

[Bhrazz]

I was curious to see what was Alias Sketchbook and maybe try the trial demo, as soon as I knew it was from Autodesk I didnt want to try it.

[Jin]

Ya-I guess that means 'one who can't hear the point? I even heard someone once use the term moo-ed point, and no, they were NOT joking. <sigh> Trust me no one's gonna be in awe of your great vocabulary!


Love that... "one who can't hear the point" (mute point for those who didn't read the rest of the thread). ;)


Who said that? Could it be George Bush! <shock!>


George Bush only get's credit for one of those mangled words.

It was my ex-husband (great at science and math, sorely lacking in language skills even in his native language, English) who bought us a 34 foot cabin cruiser, a cap, and dubbed himself "Adniral of the Ship".

He managed to "excape" learning how to spell and pronounce "difficult" words.

Needless to say, I did the spelling in our family and at work, he said that's what a secretary is for.

It's amazing both of our children "excaped" inheriting his spelling/pronouncing words genes.


My fav of his is instead of saying Bylaws and Terrifs, he said 'Barristers and Terriers' Guess lawyers gotta walk their dog too! ;-)


Um.... isn't that Tarrifs? ;)

Nope... it's Tariffs!


Hmm-3 politicians and not a Painter user amongst them! (My attempt at an ontopic save! Sorry folks...)


Great save! Good thing, since it'll have to do for both of us. ;)


Thanks Jinny-I don't need any more woozy-got enough already!
Cheers

Cheers, too, and ....

Get well soon!


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[Improv]

Um.... isn't that Tarrifs? ;)


Doh! It's the meds, I swear! ;-)

[Jin]

Read my post again. I had to look it up to find that my "Tarrifs" was a misspelling too.

Correction inserted below that line.

And I'm not on meds!

[Improv]

Read my post again. I had to look it up to find that my "Tarrifs" was a misspelling too.

Correction inserted below that line.

And I'm not on meds!

Just strange like the rest of us, then? lol!

[Fredbt]

Just strange like the rest of us, then? lol!

Should that have been "Just strange like the rest of us, than?" Hardy, Har, Har!

Actually, in fact, at this point in time, I'm rather amused by this word game. But then, on the other hand, I'm rather easily amused.

[Jin]

Just strange like the rest of us, then? lol!

Yep, that must be it. ;)


Should that have been "Just strange like the rest of us, than?" Hardy, Har, Har!

Actually, in fact, at this point in time, I'm rather amused by this word game. But then, on the other hand, I'm rather easily amused.

Me too, Fred... easily amused.

Life's too short to be picky about what we find amusing. Who would we impress, anyway?

The simplest things are probably the healthiest to chuckle at. And there are loads of 'em available for free.


May we all be blessed with an amusing (and woozy-free) weekend!



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[Improv]

Should that have been "Just strange like the rest of us, than?" Hardy, Har, Har!

Actually, in fact, at this point in time, I'm rather amused by this word game. But then, on the other hand, I'm rather easily amused.

Small things fascinate-well, you know.... <cough!> :bounce:


Cheers

[Improv]

The simplest things are probably the healthiest to chuckle at. And there are loads of 'em available for free.

And the simplest ones usually end up in political office...:confident

[KidTraiLz]

Is it normal that I can't get the pen sensitivity on my Wacom Intuos3 to work with Sketchbook Pro?:nohope: On the other hand the pen sensitivity works just fine on my Gateway Tablet PC.

Thanks

[artmessiah]

Is it normal that I can't get the pen sensitivity on my Wacom Intuos3 to work with Sketchbook Pro?:nohope: On the other hand the pen sensitivity works just fine on my Gateway Tablet PC.

Thanks

No probs here on my Intuos - I don't have a clue what could be going on. Autodesk plans on updating the software soon (according to the SK pro msg board) so maybe this issue will get addressed.

[wargrafix]

Sketchup 2 is my dope. It handles lines very naturally and does not feel stilted as Photoshop or Painter. Painter is incredible for painting, but I never liked the drawing aspect. Here is an example what Sketchup can do.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8959/image30pe2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Legato]

sketchbook pro is what i used to learn how to use the tablet... and for line work and quick value renders its unmatched... too bad development has stopped, all alias/discreet needed was a free rotate and a point to point line tool and it literally would be complete

can't suggest it enough for what it is

[artmessiah]

sketchbook pro is what i used to learn how to use the tablet... and for line work and quick value renders its unmatched... too bad development has stopped, all alias/discreet needed was a free rotate and a point to point line tool and it literally would be complete

can't suggest it enough for what it is

Development has not stopped.

They're looking for beta testers right now for the next version. Go to the Sketchbook user forum and look at the last three msg's about "continued development".