View Full Version : how does one express the idea of "new" as a concept?
xoet
May 6th, 2007, 01:07 AM
What is new?
What is interesting?
What is unique and new and interesting?
how does that get expressed as different from anything else
why does POV play a role in the concept of new?
-that one I think I know the answer too - what is new for me is usually old for everyone else...
Why new?
-the newer the better is not necessarily so but that again is pov problem-
Ilaekae
May 6th, 2007, 01:51 AM
I'm 61 years old. You really want to know what I think is new? I fuckin' pre-date fast food, for gawd's sake...
Interesting...? Sumac is interesting. It serves no useful function I ever found, smells like shit-impregnated plastic, sprouts itself from its own scrap when you chop it to ribbons, and it's too damn soft to burn, carve or use for furniture. I find it interesting that something more fuckin' useless than cockroaches and lawyers is so successful...
I'll think about the rest of your questions and get back to you...
HunterKiller_
May 6th, 2007, 04:35 AM
There's no such thing as new. Only really old things people pull out that nobody remembers.
xoet
May 6th, 2007, 10:40 PM
even Ideas of new remain ever old in the site of 'where does the line' of 'past present and future' explain moment to moment existence when there is never any change because if it is not old then it is new
why is there such a fear that something might be new??
change is not new it is a constant yet fear is the lack of love when love is everywhere ...
Elwell
May 6th, 2007, 11:14 PM
There's no such thing as new. Only really old things people pull out that nobody remembers.
Bald R. Dash.
Lohan
May 6th, 2007, 11:17 PM
In other words, you'd like us to do your homework?
Red_Rook
May 7th, 2007, 12:25 AM
even Ideas of new remain ever old in the site of 'where does the line' of 'past present and future' explain moment to moment existence when there is never any change because if it is not old then it is new
why is there such a fear that something might be new??
change is not new it is a constant yet fear is the lack of love when love is everywhere ...
Thats very yoda and new-age, hippy of you, but what exactly is it your getting at? and also, does it honestly matter?
Justin.
May 7th, 2007, 12:50 AM
Nature was the new thing. Nature still is the new thing. Nature is the main source of inspiration for everything, because without it there would be nothing.
Elwell
May 7th, 2007, 12:55 AM
Thats very yoda and new-age, hippy of you, but what exactly is it your getting at? and also, does it honestly matter?
Yes, who knows, and no.
candalf
May 7th, 2007, 01:18 AM
i think nothing is actually "new". its just the same but seen differently. under a different context or light.
wait. am I making sense? =x
Ilaekae
May 7th, 2007, 01:43 AM
"wait. am I making sense? =x"
...
Does it matter?
Elwell
May 7th, 2007, 02:27 AM
i think nothing is actually "new". its just the same but seen differently. under a different context or light.
Bald R. Dash.
And furthermore...
Day Ja Voo.
Form
May 7th, 2007, 02:53 AM
i agree, bs
xoet
May 9th, 2007, 11:42 PM
EVERYTHING MATTERS MORE THEN i CAN EXPLAIN AND THAT 'WE' COULD KNOW.
sorry caps lock on guess that matters?
Icelandic Norm
May 19th, 2007, 04:12 AM
The only thing that is truly new is how we percieve things.
Other than that, it's all be done and re-done to a certain degree.
tomwaits4noman
May 20th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Whats new NOTHING.............
The Earth -unless you are christain who thinks Gensis is how it all began- see Bill Hicks for counter arguements- has been around for hell of lot longer than us.
so everything that can be seen or experienced has already happened
BUT
every day there is someone experiencing or seeing it for the first time ever.
joelhinxman
May 20th, 2007, 03:42 PM
i got a lump on the back of my neck. its new.
Beelow
May 20th, 2007, 03:46 PM
EVERYTHING MATTERS MORE THEN i CAN EXPLAIN AND THAT 'WE' COULD KNOW.
sorry caps lock on guess that matters?
Booooooo, lame joke alert! Sorry for the ignorance... but, still Boooooo!
xoet
May 22nd, 2007, 12:10 AM
"One" is just a simple unit of life and as such creates the structure of the given perspective there of. If "One" were to vary by say nothing then there is No news to it. And if as things progress in "nature," where mixtures and mistakes cause the illusion of learning the new from the old as that was becoming. The forgotten things would change and still if New is old and Old is new where does the thought structures begin and end to create more or inspire others influence the medium of life itself.
beejazz
May 22nd, 2007, 02:14 AM
What's new? The internet is new, relatively speaking. Seriously, if there's something that isn't just a reiteration of a prior, similar thing, that's it. Otherwise there isn't much. Plastics are a fairly recent and revolutionary thing. We couldn't enjoy our current standard of living without them, given the limited supply of stone and metal, and the limited capacity for the production of wood (as a living organism, it isn't a finite supply, but a finite rate at which it can be supplied).
What's next? One of a couple of things. On the one hand, gobal warming. We aren't in danger of catastrophic meteorological effects just yet, but I'd watch that food chain if I were you. Birds, frogs, and other low level predators more sensitive to the environment than we are have already started going extinct. Changing PH in the water means more air-breathers and fewer water-breathers in the snail populus. "Insect plagues" might not be the right word for what's coming. Actually, even without help from a teetering foodchain, population growth has us starving soon. Plus all these other things that could go wrong. In any case, the End is a distinct possibility for our near future.
Another more far fetched idea is that we finally figure out m-theory, and develop technology that can change the laws of physics. Exciting. Barring that, there are some other fun obscure physics bits that might be exploitable. I've heard the Japanese are producing pocket dimensions in labratories. Hooray for new universes.
Oh, you were looking for vague stuff that went nowhere, as opposed to a speculative ramble? Sorry.
Justin.
May 22nd, 2007, 02:23 AM
However, Many oriental countries have already gotten negative birthrates, which is good.
beejazz
May 22nd, 2007, 02:44 AM
However, Many oriental countries have already gotten negative birthrates, which is good.
It's definitely a step in the right direction. But we need alot of things. Like plastics that aren't petroleum based. And an alternative fuel source that doesn't use up more energy to produce than it actually produces (hooray corn-based ethanol... which would be more effecient if we used sugar cane).
xoet
May 22nd, 2007, 05:08 AM
Is New motivating? In that is it virtuous to act on it? But how is the concept of Action open to new expressions of and or in the virtual physics of newly created laws/universes there of? When there is no such thing as a "line" of action but only a theory of thought how is that "line" drawn? (now that it is Dawn-sorry xoet the poet is effecting this) -- and what makes word poems poetry and prose of a proposal in a post positive?
Seedling
May 22nd, 2007, 06:11 PM
What is pink?
What is interesting?
What is unique and pink and interesting?
how does that get expressed as different from anything else
why does POV play a role in the concept of pink?
-that one I think I know the answer too - what is pink for me is usually red for everyone else...
Why pink?
-the pinker the better is not necessarily so but that again is pov problem-
xoet
May 23rd, 2007, 12:24 AM
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RefrigeratorCo
May 27th, 2007, 01:10 PM
To me new is opposite to old.
So the easiest, most concise way of making something new is to study art history and learn everything that is old. Once you know what is old you can make something completely different and by default it would turn out new.
That, by the way, is extremely hard and it takes years of dilligent study to cover everything that has been done.
RefrigeratorCo
May 27th, 2007, 01:10 PM
To me new is opposite to old.
So the easiest, most concise way of making something new is to study art history and learn everything that is old. Once you know what is old you can make something completely different and by default it would turn out new.
That, by the way, is extremely hard and it takes years of dilligent study to cover everything that has been done.
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