Dragon rave beggining

[Koishii Kitty]

this is the start of a piece i am working on. I'm not the best at anatomy( being able to see and know that something is out of place) and so I wanted to double check and get some feed back before I finish the lines and start coloring it in.

Please, if you offer a comment that tells me what is wrong, also offer a way i can fix it, what I can look up to help. It will help me understand a lot better.
I don't have the ability to go to collage for art because of my health, so all that I am learning I am learning on my own, which is why i ask for comments with advice on not just vague sentences telling me what is wrong.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4585/gasmasknraveoe7.jpg

[DieOmaBrennt]

nice pic, I also like your DA gallery :D


Is he supposed to have one wing?

His left leg is a bit strange, it looks a lot smaller the the other leg and the foot doesn´t look right.
The left and the right foot are drawn at the same perspective which is almost impossible in this position.. and also makes them look boring.
this is a helpful text about repeating shapes
http://sevencamels.blogspot.com/2006/09/things-they-dont-teach-in-art-school-1.html
(this whole blog very good, especially the first entries about figure dynamics could be interessting for you)

[Ilaekae]

I'm commenting on the overall structure here, not any particular anatomy and detail problems...

Assuming his right leg is cool and where you want it, the left is wack. Let's assume it's foreshortened and that's why the upper leg appears a tad short. If so, the lower left leg would be either tucked up and angled more drastically away from us (including the foot, which would be nearly "bottom-on" to us and partially hidden by the right leg), meaning we would actually see more of the bottom of the foot more than the top, OR it would possibly be straightened out and continue into the distance to confirm the severe foreshortening (the lower left leg whould be really short, and nearly hidden by the upper leg, and the foot would be more "top-on" to us and also partially hidden).

Check your curves and sizing on the tail with a couple of trace-overs. The curve isn't graceful right now, especially where the right leg covers/seperates it. And I think it has to be a good bit smaller in diameter--less massive--because right now, I'm looking at a normal-looking pelvic area with this huge hunk of meat hanging out of it's butt, which I don't think says what you want it to. A tail should be graceful, and blended/connected to the body in a flowing manner, not stuck on like a dowel in a hole. It's used for balance, not lifting small loads into a pickup truck. Either you're going to have to rework the mechanics of his entire pelvic area to cope with this really massive artifact, or bring it down to a more realistic size/diameter/mass.

Remember that fantasy is believable only when the underlying physics "looks" like it would work in real life. The more solid your imaginary structure, the more you can stretch our credulity, and thus our belief in what you're showing us. Think typical Manga babes...those 55-pound hooters just wouldn't be believable through squinty eyes unless at least SOME attempt was made to shore them up with fantasy rib cages and such...there is a limit to what I'll accept, and it's really reeeeaaaaaally off in the distance. Just at least try to show me that what I'm looking at "might" be possible and I'll go for it. THAT'S where you need to sit down and rethink a bit...

[Koishii Kitty]

I'm commenting on the overall structure here, not any particular anatomy and detail problems...

Assuming his right leg is cool and where you want it, the left is wack. Let's assume it's foreshortened and that's why the upper leg appears a tad short. If so, the lower left leg would be either tucked up and angled more drastically away from us (including the foot, which would be nearly "bottom-on" to us and partially hidden by the right leg), meaning we would actually see more of the bottom of the foot more than the top, OR it would possibly be straightened out and continue into the distance to confirm the severe foreshortening (the lower left leg whould be really short, and nearly hidden by the upper leg, and the foot would be more "top-on" to us and also partially hidden).

Check your curves and sizing on the tail with a couple of trace-overs. The curve isn't graceful right now, especially where the right le
g covers/seperates it. And I think it has to be a good bit smaller in diameter--less massive--because right now, I'm looking at a normal-looking pelvic area with this huge hunk of meat hanging out of it's butt, which I don't think says what you want it to. A tail should be graceful, and blended/connected to the body in a flowing manner, not stuck on like a dowel in a hole. It's used for balance, not lifting small loads into a pickup truck. Either you're going to have to rework the mechanics of his entire pelvic area to cope with this really massive artifact, or bring it down to a more realistic size/diameter/mass.

Remember that fantasy is believable only when the underlying physics "looks" like it would work in real life. The more solid your imaginary structure, the more you can stretch our credulity, and thus our belief in what you're showing us. Think typical Manga babes...those 55-pound hooters just wouldn't be believable through squinty eyes unless at least SOME attempt was made to shore them up with fantasy rib cages and such...there is a limit to what I'll accept, and it's really reeeeaaaaaally off in the distance. Just at least try to show me that what I'm looking at "might" be possible and I'll go for it. THAT'S where you need to sit down and rethink a bit...


you are now my hero. the first person here to write down some great advice that I can actualy USE and in such a polite way. That has my respect.

What you you siad about the leg and foreshortening, that was it. There was something bothering me in the back of my mind about that leg, but I just could not pin point it. I wish I had gotten this piece of advice sooner..but that is ok..even if the line art was a bit flunky with anatomy flops, it was good coloring practice.

now the pelvic/tail comment about it being a bit to thick to be belivable: that was something I had not noticed, nor really thought about. That I really appreciate. I would like to try to make things look more believable, so that being pointed out was really nice.

The tail curve not being graceful: yes, this is something I struggle with..the smooth graceful curves. That is one thing I did notice about this, not as smooth as I would like, still need to work on that.



Well, now that I have a good idea of the things that are wonky, I am going to try the same pose a little later, maybe do a few sketches of it to really get a good feel for it.

Thank you for the wonderful comment. It was very pleasing to read over a nicely written crit and have something to think about, with out feeling stressed.