Massacre at Virginia Tech

[asoir]

Holy fucking shit
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574

29 Confirmed dead...

Condolences to the families and friends..

[wild thing]

That's really tragic. It's all very surreal when these kinds of things happen, they're pretty hard to believe.

My condolences to the family.

[CGMonkey]

The number of dead is almost twice as high as the previous record for a mass shooting on an American college campus. That occurred at the University of Texas in Austin on Aug. 1, 1966, when a gunman named Charles Whitman opened fire from the 28th floor of a campus tower. Whitman killed 16 and injured 31.

Wait I minute.. there was no computer games back in 1966?

I get so angry and frustrated when I hear such terrible news! :( What has the world come to?

[Hunger]

What has the world come to?
Haven't the world always been like this? :[

This is horrible news. Condolences to families and people involved in this.

[Brynmor]

The death toll is actually up to 32, I think. This is really sad. :( My condolences to the family as well. Do they have an idea as to who did it? I know I heard on the news they found two 9mm's.

[J-boogie]

The death toll is actually up to 32, I think. This is really sad. :( My condolences to the family as well. Do they have an idea as to who did it? I know I heard on the news they found two 9mm's.

Last I heard is 32 dead and 28 wounded. They suspect an "A heavily armed Asian man in his 20's". Supposedly he showed up looking for his girlfriend and started lining people up and shooting them. He started shooting at 7:00am and traveled to another building and started shooting again around 10:00am. I still don't have the full story. There may be more dead.

[Justin.]

I heard that the 32 dead included the killer. Supposedly either police nailed him or he got himself.

[J-boogie]

The inside scoop I have is that he shot his girlfriend and another person (guy she's cheating with?) in the morning at around 7ish. Then he came back and shot up over 50 people just before 10. He supposedly went opening classroom doors and shooting people. Some people jumped out of the windows trying to escape. First reports said there was a second shooter.

[Snowsfall]

The inside scoop I have is that he shot his girlfriend and another person (guy she's cheating with?) in the morning at around 7ish. Then he came back and shot up over 50 people just before 10. He supposedly went opening classroom doors and shooting people. Some people jumped out of the windows trying to escape. First reports said there was a second shooter.

Girlfriend and the RA when he/she tried to intervene i've heard.

[J-boogie]

Girlfriend and the RA when he/she tried to intervene i've heard.

Something is not connecting with this story and is somewhat being confirmed by the press conference. Two different shooters? Two seperate events??..straaange.

[Wasker]

Very tragic. I feel bad for the parents to the dead, for the killer and his relatives. Restrict weapons in the US and all over the world, guns don't make you safe. Guns get you killed.

[Carnifex]

and this,my friends,is why i paint fairies and fantasy things.
the real world is far too scary and sad sometimes.
condolences.

[Brendan N]

yeah, guns don't kill people but they sure as hell are a catalyst.

condolences to all involved, especially the victims and relatives.
:(

[Hookswords]

Wow. Musta been a crackshot to do such damage with a pair of nines. Chaos in a lecture hall maybe? As a college employee this sort of thing is always shocking. I cant imagine what would happen if that happened at my school. I wish well to the families.

[Mr. Visions]

I posted a thread on this before seeing this one. I called to check on my friends and they seem to all be ok. It's really scary when something like this happens so close to home. I hope everyone keeps the families of all those here in VA in your prays and thoughts.

[JAG.]

tragic.. what a waste of life. condolences to the families and a prayer for those taken. - JAG

[Hookswords]

Here's a crappy phone vid of SWAT moving in. You can hear guns in the background.

http://www.break.com/index/virginia_tech_school_shooting.html

[amer-nazri]

Concolences to victims and their famiilies. One of the main debates that is going on is why the uni was not closed down during the period after the first shooting, and police is saying that the reason that the decision was made not to was because they thought the first shooting was isolated, and was something unconnected to what happened later.

Will there be any changes to the gun law? National Rifle Association was actually inclining that students should instead be armed with guns to defend themselves. Clearly, one of the problems is widespread access to firearms.

[Twiggy]

Wow, insane, how can some people's minds be driven to such insanity. A new year begins and this happends.... theres always time for things to be set right, but these things just continue for how long

[s.ketch]

Man, the kind of people who do these kinds of things really piss me off. I feel bad for the students who had to go through this and I give my deepest condolences to the families and everyone effected.

[life on the sofa]

was it not at a university?...i thought thats what i saw on the news. columbine massacre all over...when will the kinda people who do this learn. fucking ridiculous

#confirmed death toll 33-CNN site

thoughts are with families and the deceased.

[life on the sofa]

holy fucking crap! i just read the news article in asoirs link properly- the fucker chained the doors! what kinda shited up nutfuckers do this shit- apparantly 2 people were killed in their rooms first at 7:00 then while police were investiagting that some asshole started a killing spree in the main buildings-fuck- only word for it i acctualy feel sick, the bastard killed himself afterwards too he wont even have to face punishment for what he did.

again thoughts with familes etc. tragic

sofa

[CaptainInsano]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v678/ParkerD/marvingaye.jpg

[BlackGuy]

we found out about it during class, and I thought our campus was going to be closed down. Made me a little nervous for an hour or two, when it's so close to home you can't help but feel like that same crazy bastard is gonna barge into your classroom and start opening fire.

[Blue]

damn... So sad...

[Spade]

so tragic. There was a shooting abit like that in australia in 1996 that left 35 people dead and was the catalyst for our current gun laws and the national ban on semi automatics etc. Thought are with the families and deceased. such a waste

[Chingwa]

Some serious strangeness with this event. 2 different sets of shootings... hours apart. People on campus not told about the shooting until hours afterward. SLOW AS SHIT police response, even though numerous bomb threats had been called into the school the week before. The recent revocation of concealed gun carry on campus even though VA is a concealed carry state.... WTF?!

Here's a more trippy perspective:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/160407blackop.htm

[Chingwa]

catalyst for our current gun laws and the national ban on semi automatics etc.
Be very watchful for this people.sometimes things do happen for a reason, even if the reason is unpalatable.

[Elwell]

the bastard killed himself afterwards too he wont even have to face punishment for what he did.

Another asshole who didn't get the memo: shoot yourself FIRST, douchebag.

[Jason Rainville]

So many parents left with nothing, not even a reason for the death of their child. :( (unless the gunman did leavean explanation, sorry I didn't read much on it)

I hope there is a devil, so he can get that fucker up the ass with a spiked lava-stick. >:|

[life on the sofa]

EDIT: decided this prbrably wasnt the best time to talk about the politics of gun laws i think i came across as a little acusative, sorry-i myself have been shot at:S its fucking scary.

sorry to hear it happend in australia in 1996 also, always terrible when these things happen.

sofa

[life on the sofa]

Another asshole who didn't get the memo: shoot yourself FIRST, douchebag.

yeah too true, why do these people feel the need to end the lives of others because they are incapable of being a decent human being. the storys i have seen and read so far he was acctualy terrorising these people too not just shooting them randomly, he pointed a gun at a guys head, re loaded his gun and said "run" then shot AT him once but missed as far as the news guys said. disgusting behaviour.


Restrict weapons in the US and all over the world, guns don't make you safe. Guns get you killed.
also very true.

sofa

[CaptainInsano]

Please don't turn this forum to debate your politics!

It's out of taste and insensitive at the moment.

[Flake]

there has to my knowledge been no shootings like this in england

Possibly before your time, but they've happened over here too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

I still remember sitting in a pub when the news about Dunblane came over the telly- one of the guys I was sat with used to live there, I used to drive through the village every few weeks.

[life on the sofa]

Possibly before your time, but they've happened over here too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

my bad, wasnt aware of those i was born in 1991 i wud only have been 5 during the dunblane one. thank god none have happend recently.


captaininsano-(if you were talking to me which i think you were)yeah my bad i just get realy worked up about this kinda thing realy pisses me off people do this-wasnt pointing the finger tho like i said england and many other places have gun crime problems.sorry


sofa

[ndp]

Guys, I am a student at Virginia Tech, and I was a witness from another building to the SWAT raid. Please ignore the media, the politics, the sensationalism, just for one day. People died and we need to come together if only for a little bit. Our community really needs people in general to get along just now, only for a moments sake. Its been a taxing day and the authorities are being very shady about the details, so at least lets not bring the politics into it just yet.

[Orchid, the Wild]

Wow this is just... so unsettling. :( My most sincere and deepest sympathies to all of the victims, families, friends, and students and faculty of Virgina Tech. I hope you'll be okay Jarri, and any other CA member out there in Virgina. We're all here for you!

[Hookswords]

Shit, I didnt even think of that. Do we have multiple CA Folks at Virginia Tech? Are they all accounted for? Check in folks!

[HunterKiller_]

Murders like these don't deserve to die. They deserve to live a slow and painful death.

[2100]

Death rate:
8.67 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.)

CIA - The World Factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/xx.html#People)

He has contributed to 0.000006% of the world's annual death toll, what a dirtbag!

This is just another example of how indifferent we are to the 99.999994% other people that die.

Here we are pretending to be sorry over the loss of 32 of the 56 million other human beings. If you want to be sorry for people, be fair and be sorry for all of them.

note: I'll save you the trouble by saying I'm a cheap, insensitive prick. If you respond to my comment, please address the fact and not the one voicing it.

[JustinBeckett]

That is so horrible.

[JERI]

He has contributed to 0.000006% of the world's annual death toll, what a dirtbag!

This is just another example of how indifferent we are to the 99.999994% other people that die.

Here we are pretending to be sorry over the loss of 32 of the 56 million other human beings. If you want to be sorry for people, be fair and be sorry for all of them.

note: I'll save you the trouble by saying I'm a cheap, insensitive prick. If you respond to my comment, please address the fact and not the one voicing it.

"We" are pretending? Speak for yourself.

Here you are playing your hyprocrisy card and pretending to know how another person really feels.

I'll save everyone the trouble by accusing you of deliberately attacking the condolences offered in this thread just for the sake of wanting to be different.

Your move, chief.

[Evil_Sloth]

so tragic. There was a shooting abit like that in australia in 1996 that left 35 people dead and was the catalyst for our current gun laws and the national ban on semi automatics etc. Thought are with the families and deceased. such a waste

yeah man, Martin Bryant used to live up the street from me before he massacred everyone.
He's tried to kill himself twice now. He's probably in hell. Probably why all these school shooters killthemselves so they don't even have to come to grips with what they've done, cowards.

[Fellah.]

CIA - The World Factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/xx.html#People)

He has contributed to 0.000006% of the world's annual death toll, what a dirtbag!

This is just another example of how indifferent we are to the 99.999994% other people that die.

Here we are pretending to be sorry over the loss of 32 of the 56 million other human beings. If you want to be sorry for people, be fair and be sorry for all of them.

note: I'll save you the trouble by saying I'm a cheap, insensitive prick. If you respond to my comment, please address the fact and not the one voicing it.

Young fool.

[Coinpurse]

R.I.P
prayers to the families that lost.
so depressing, I can only imagine what that could be like...

[2100]

"We" are pretending? Speak for yourself.

Here you are playing your hyprocrisy card and pretending to know how another person really feels.

I'll save everyone the trouble by accusing you of deliberately attacking the condolences offered in this thread just for the sake of wanting to be different.

Your move, chief.

I don't care whether you're sincere or not, it's the injustice of your sympathy that makes me angry. What about all the countless murder victims, suicides, accidents, smokers, cancer, HIV, repression, genocide, war, famine, disease, they just don't exist? Are they not worth acknowledging because it's so common?

People only pretend to be sympathetic because that's what society demands... Humanity is in crisis and we are trained to offer your condolences and then turn a blind eye. In society, it's the only and proper way to respond when you're confronted by someone who's experienced a personal loss. But otherwise, and here on this forum, you don't need to be a care bear, so have something original and objective to say.

[Jens]

2100 I think you should just shut the fuck up and THINK, 33 people were just executed..

what are you even assuming people here don't care about the other stuff you are talking about.

[2100]

2100 I think you should just shut the fuck up and THINK, 33 people were just executed..

what are you even assuming people here don't care about the other stuff you are talking about.

I know... it's terrible what happend and I'm not being sarcastic when I say so.

Jens, I'm not presuming to know how you really feel. If you are concious that the significance of this event is vastly disproportioned to the attention it's recieving, then you are one of the people excluded from my remarks. It judst disgusts me that some people here can claim to be sympathetic when they might be just as removed from the shootings as I am. I am even more so disgusted by the fact that they would do it online. The anonymity of the internet affords us an opportunity to be be cold, objective and realistic. Why do people insist on bringing that quack of social formality here? Common, this is ConceptArt.org, we are above that kind of cowardly attitude. We should follow Chingwa and life on the sofa's example and look at what happend today without the sentimentality.

In the morning when I feel less suicidal, I will probably regret making a big fuss and drawing attention to myself instead of just taking the proper, quiet route out and just comment on how terrible this all is and offer my condolesences. But I think this is right.

[JERI]

But otherwise, and here on this forum, you don't need to be a care bear, so have something original and objective to say.

Objective? Original? I'd rather say something honest which is that I genuinely feel sorry for the poor fellas who were taken by such tragic incidents. Just as I feel sorry for the congenitally diseased, murder victims and underprivileged, thank you very much.

To think you have the arrogance to assume, assume, with no sensible evidence to support it, that we're all saying we feel sorry for the victims because we want to look good.

If the heartfelt desire to express your feeling of sympathy is your notion of "quack of a social formality" I shudder to think what your social life is like.

And newsflash, belittling other people's condolences in an anonymous environment for the sake of sounding original? That ain't original either!

[Seedling]

2100, I suggest that you quit assuming that everyone feels like you do.

[life on the sofa]

I don't care whether you're sincere or not, it's the injustice of your sympathy that makes me angry. What about all the countless murder victims, suicides, accidents, smokers, cancer, HIV, repression, genocide, war, famine, disease, they just don't exist? Are they not worth acknowledging because it's so common?

People only pretend to be sympathetic because that's what society demands... Humanity is in crisis and we are trained to offer your condolences and then turn a blind eye. In society, it's the only and proper way to respond when you're confronted by someone who's experienced a personal loss. But otherwise, and here on this forum, you don't need to be a care bear, so have something original and objective to say.


we all feel sympathetic for those people also dude, but this thread isnt about war, disease or anything else its about what happened yesterday at that university and people are expressing sympathy for that in paticular because its being made aware think how depreseed the world would be felt sympathetic to this extent everytime any 1 person anywhere died.
basicly, in a thread focusing about worldwide death tolls in genral people would express symapthy for that but this thread has a focus at the moment man-so its just not nice to dimiss the murder of these 33 people because its "only" 0000006% of the death rate or whatever. see what i mean?..thanks



sofa

[Brendan N]

2100, shut the fuck up a'right.
If you're going to be insensitive and foolish, why don't you just sit this one out.

Again, my thoughts and hopes go out to all involved.

[cam]

2100:

I understand and agree with your points. It is more often than not that people (unjustifiably) feel they have done enough to rectify situations simply by expressing their sympathy.

But you have chosen the wrong time and the wrong thread to voice this facet of your opinion. Even if you believe someone's sympathy to be misplaced, or disproportionate, do not overlook the fact that there are people at the centre of this who have and will suffer deeply.

With any fortune this aspect of the discussion in this thread is now ended.


I hope that people continue to look at this event with an open heart and mind. I also hope that all who have had to experience the effects of it achieve some level of peace - victims and perpetrators alike.


(edited for grammar)

[vigostar]

2100- Where the fuck did you come from?

[Mr. Visions]

2100, before you go mouthing off saying we're pretending, some of us here had people involved in the incident and DO care. I'm not going to apologize for feeling something when crap like this happens so close to home. That's not being impartial, that's reacting to the situation at hand and not being insensitive. So go be a "jerk" somewhere else. And "jerk" is keeping it nice.

[Elwell]

***
Congratulation, now the thread is all about YOU.
Happy now?

[Alday.J]

Just back from stuff and read that tragical new. :(
Mes condoléances les plus sincères aux familles et amis des victimes.
J.

[Blahm]

2100 obviously had some part in this. Supply the firearms did you?

[James Kei]

Here is a script for a play written by the shooter.
http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/richard-mcbeef-cover-page/20070417134109990001

Very dark indeed.

[Brendan N]

Here is a script for a play written by the shooter.
http://news.aol.com/virginia-tech-shootings/cho-seung-hui/_a/richard-mcbeef-cover-page/20070417134109990001

Very dark indeed.

and dumb ... don't think that was well written at all, though it certainly tried to be. very unsubtle if you ask me.

[asoir]

http://www.aolcdn.com/virginia-tech-shooting/seung-cho/brownstone_5.jpg

A lot of repressed anger it seems...

[James Kei]

and dumb ... don't think that was well written at all, though it certainly tried to be. very unsubtle if you ask me.

True, he's no Shakespeare. But it gives good insight into his mentality.

[Brendan N]

True, he's no Shakespeare. But it gives good insight into his mentality.

that it does .... scary stuff when you think about it.

[Ignominious]

i'm no psychologist, but things like this just make me wonder; what could've happened to this man that possessed him to kill these people? It's also depressing to think of the parents of the murderer, and the murdered. Imagine all the hopes and dreams they these parents had for their children that will never happen. It's so scary.

[Mr. Visions]

we just had a memorial at our school for Virginia Tech. It was somber but uplifting. The number of people that came out was amazing, a picture was taken with a sign saying "VCU loves VT", which will be sent to them. I really lifts your heart to see how many people come out to support those who are hurting.

[CaptainInsano]

I think the media is doing an AWFUL thing of covering the gunman in such detail to the public and releasing his plays out to the world.

Why is this murder recieving so much attention? In the twisted minds of potential future school shooters, this will only send an uplifting message that they too will gain international attention and have their papers published around the world if they commit an act just as horrible.

It can be an interesting case to study to read his plays, if you're a psychologist or social scientist trying to figure out how to PREVENT these acts in the future. But does it have to have so much attention? The wrong type of people will interpret this post-death media sensation as somehow glamorous and provoke those future killers to be as heinous as possible.

[rustikof]

Right off the bat, Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson are all over this as being caused "due to videogames", when no evidence even remotely relative to that has been released or talked about by anyone.

what i've been thinking about...the 2 hour gap between the first two and the final 30? They hinted that he went back to his own dorm room, wrote out a suicide note, and then went over to the other building. But 2 hours? Man, I can't even begin to think what would be racing through his head at that point...or what caused him to get to that point....and also the fact that the security there had said that even though had not caught the person responsible for the initial gunshots, they said everything (in terms of classes) was good to go and that it was a contained issue within that area....so then, ok, everything good to go? say wha???

also though, i don't get why 2100 recieved so much flack for his opinion. Its an open social forum, formulated 100% around the advancement from art as a whole, so every opinion should be justified in the fact that its just bringing another color to the spectrum. Name calling is just immature. The points he brought forth are true in a lot of ways---not necessarily ones that a lot of us agree with--but not any less true, and if you don't agree with him, then just ignore it and move on. Everyone deals with things differently.

and CaptainInsano--i totally agree, what the heck are they doing???

[rblitz7]

MY GOD!!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1665503.ece
This gets me soo mad!!

"A 76-year-old Jewish-Romanian lecturer was hailed a hero after blocking his classroom door long enough for many of his students to escape the Virginia Tech gunman, before being shot dead..."

[life on the sofa]

MY GOD!!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1665503.ece
This gets me soo mad!!

"A 76-year-old Jewish-Romanian lecturer was hailed a hero after blocking his classroom door long enough for many of his students to escape the Virginia Tech gunman, before being shot dead..."

i saw this on the news, this man survived the holocaust!!, only to be murderd in cold blood by a messed up phsyco.


i also agree the media attention is making things worse, hundreds of detailed files on these kind of people such as the kids who commited the columbine massacre can still be found on the internet today, the kind of twisted worl these people live in makes it seem good to them that they go down in the history books they feel insignificant and depressed going out like that makes them famous and go down in the history books for a HORRIFIC crime.

[Wake101]

ugh, this brought up sad memories of the shooting at a mall near my hometown a couple months ago. This world is filled with alot of phsyco nutcases that need to go to hell. How anyone could bring themselves to doing such a thing is beyond me. The bastard should have shot himself before he had to go and kill all those poor people.

Hearing about the jewish professor who saved all those students with his own body made me sad. I hope he is resting peacefully in heaven along with all those poor students who lost their lives to evil.

This kind of thing really pises me off...

[Chingwa]

Why is he a jewish professor, an not just simply a professor? I don't want to sound biased, or in anyway diminishing what this brave man did, I just find subtle biases in the media hard to overlook.

[unknown_epiphany]

They stated the fact that he was Jewish to illustrate that he survived the Holocaust.

[Chingwa]

Except that it's part of the headline, not in the details of the article. [shrug] whatever.

This whole event is both heart wrenching and infuriating and perplexing. So many loose ends, and strange details. I think having respect for the victims is very important, but I think it's equally important to have a free exchange of ideas without calls for self censorship. The more people are aware of what is going on the better off we will all be.

[life on the sofa]

i dont think people are discriminating about who they feel more sympathy for nd who they dont its just inceribly ironic this man survived a whole nazi army a cruel dictatorship and escaped a war in his own country only to be coldy executed for no reason by a single crazy student at a university where he uses his knowledge to help the students--not to be shot by them.


sofa

[zan9000]

You can read this guys bizarre screenplay here:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html

[NoSeRider]

I don't know......that seems to be the typical thought processes of the teenagers I grew up with...just so much anger.

He came from Korea and arrived in the United States in 1992. Makes you wonder how much of that thinking comes from his environment?

I'm wondering how 'typical' those thought processes are? He was just demented enough to go and act out on his thoughts.

[LaPalida]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1pj9i3hgRg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Eh06rabuI

[LaPalida]

Well, saw this one coming from a mile away (http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/17/dr-phil-blames-video-games-for-virginia-tech-massacre/)

[Brendan N]

Well, saw this one coming from a mile away (http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/17/dr-phil-blames-video-games-for-virginia-tech-massacre/)

That's such a cock`n bull full of shit idea. Has Dr. Phil ever played a videogame?! hope so for his sake.

Blaming video games for isolated violent acts represents pure ignorance and fear of things unfamiliar.

[Seedling]

He came from Korea and arrived in the United States in 1992. Makes you wonder how much of that thinking comes from his environment?


He came from Korea and then went to Fairfax County schools. The trend there is to work your kids to death in the name of high test-scores. The experience gets them into good colleges and fucks 'em up pretty well on the side. *Cough*, speaking from personal experience, *cough*.

[alesoun]

My daughter was on the point of moving up to primary school when the Dunblane Massacre happened; every parent who picked their child up from nursery that day was so traumatised by it (although I don't live in Dunblane) that nobody could speak above a whisper.

I feel for the parents and friends affected by this gunman and the way his self-centredness and self-absorption has impacted upon people who had done nothing to hurt him; nothing can run the clock back and pu things back to the way they were.

People close to me have died in this past year through illness and accident, but not in such an appalling manner, or so unnecessarily. My heart goes out to all those affected by this.....

[Prometheus|ANJ]

Did someone post this yet? It's kinda old news.

Westboro Baptist Church + Google News =
http://news.google.com/news?ncl=1115512418&hl=en

There doesn't seem to be that many of them, but just like Mr Cho, they cause a lot of grief. It's also particulary sad to see these people mind rape childs.

Edit: I'm thinking these guys must be like professional suckpuppet-trolls or something. They can't be for real.

[|NTeRN]

That's such a cock`n bull full of shit idea. Has Dr. Phil ever played a videogame?! hope so for his sake.

Blaming video games for isolated violent acts represents pure ignorance and fear of things unfamiliar.

while i dont believe that video games alone made him snap, they cant disregaurded from the act of violence entirely.

think of it this way. there are many people out there who have in them the capacity to do a lot of violence. if this isnt recognized and treated, or brought up in a strong moral and loving enviroment then it could lead to the individual acting out in a violent manner.

saying it was the videogame is rediculous, but also saying that the act of playing violence "even in game form" doesnt push those, or in the very least have some part, who have a inborn capacity of violence in equally rediculous.

now i like games. i used to play counterstike for hrs at a time. does that mean that im going to hurt people, no.

now take a person who already wants to hurt people. having them in an eviroment where they are always seeing violence will only heighten their need and want to do violence.



also appearently he also watched oldboy (a korean revenge film) every day for at least a week (but i think they said month, but dont quote me on that). now if he hadnt played games he most likely would have still done what he did. but you cant say that games had nothing to do with it.

[Blue]

Well, saw this one coming from a mile away (http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/17/dr-phil-blames-video-games-for-virginia-tech-massacre/)

Yea that didn't take long. I think its funny that video games are blamed. With the number of people who play to the ratio of people who flip out and kill.... well i believe tuna fish sandwhiches are just as deadly. After all, didn't this kid eat tuna in his life? That must be the cause!

Quick kids! Don't touch that orange juice, it'll make you a killer! God forbid you watch a TV, because this guy did and he killed tons of people! He even slept in a bed, that must be the cause too!


I hate the media sometimes.

[CaptainInsano]

now if he hadnt played games he most likely would have still done what he did. but you cant say that games had nothing to do with it.

finally, someone who makes sense! *agrees

[Brendan N]

while i dont believe that video games alone made him snap, they cant disregaurded from the act of violence entirely.

think of it this way. there are many people out there who have in them the capacity to do a lot of violence. if this isnt recognized and treated, or brought up in a strong moral and loving enviroment then it could lead to the individual acting out in a violent manner.

saying it was the videogame is rediculous, but also saying that the act of playing violence "even in game form" doesnt push those, or in the very least have some part, who have a inborn capacity of violence in equally rediculous.

now i like games. i used to play counterstike for hrs at a time. does that mean that im going to hurt people, no.

now take a person who already wants to hurt people. having them in an eviroment where they are always seeing violence will only heighten their need and want to do violence.



also appearently he also watched oldboy (a korean revenge film) every day for at least a week (but i think they said month, but dont quote me on that). now if he hadnt played games he most likely would have still done what he did. but you cant say that games had nothing to do with it.

No I'm definitely not putting video games out of the equation, no sir, but it's kinda like blaming the gas company for burning your steak (ok, bad analogy).

My point being when your start looking at what you need to change to prevent these types of things from happening, I don't think video games or the policy on video games is one of the things that has to change, and the same counts for movies. The fact that these things helped him make the decisions he did and do what he did doesn't make them guilty too imo.

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man, no matter what I say , it makes absolutely no difference... it happened and I can't change the events. Gun control and violence in video games, movies or media, were just subjects bound to pop up. people always blame on something when such a horrible event happens, it's just one of our needs.. but fact is 33 people died, and many more injured remain....
I feel horrid for it, but I don't see an end to it. Humans have always been violent and from what it looks will always will be. Video games, movies, and media are just an outlet for us not to be violent and play pretend.. quite frankly i'm grateful to those.

ah fuck i'll stop rambling, and keep quiet for those who died at least .r.i.p

[Brendan N]

man, no matter what I say , it makes absolutely no difference... it happened and I can't change the events. Gun control and violence in video games, movies or media, were just subjects bound to pop up. people always blame on something when such a horrible event happens, it's just one of our needs.. but fact is 33 people died, and many more injured remain....
I feel horrid for it, but I don't see an end to it. Humans have always been violent and from what it looks will always will be. Video games, movies, and media are just an outlet for us not to be violent and play pretend.. quite frankly i'm grateful to those.

ah fuck i'll stop rambling, and keep quiet for those who died at least .r.i.p

Well said I think.
I'm going to shut up as well.

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Oh and for good measure: http://www.cynical-c.com/?p=7191

[NoSeRider]

I don't think video games are the root of the problem.

The killer (Cho Seung-Hui) felt he was demeaned and tormented....now how do you think he became to feel like that?

Video games are nothing more then an outlet.

Face it. Cho Seung-Hui barely spoke English when he came to the United States, and was probably placed in a school were he felt different and ostracized. Knowing how kids love to torment those that they feel are inadequate and weak, he probably got his brain scrambled long before he got into video games.

I think society in general should be scrutinized, not video games. Charles Whitman was shooting up people long before video games came out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

Granted, some people are just pure evil, but aren't we all just a product of the culture we we're brought up in?

Stupid is as stupid does.

Personally, I think Cho Seung-Hui suffered from some sort of mental illness like antisocial disorder where being abused as a child, and being around people that think in extreme black and white terms with inability to regulate their emotions, broke his noodle.

However, morality should come first before any personal vendetta. What he did was heinous, and inexcusable.

[NoSeRider]

Dance Monkeys, Dance! (http://thatvideosite.voxcdn.com/core/2808/dance_monkeys_dance.wmv)

[LaPalida]

Correlation does not mean causation. Before video games existed... people killed each other. In fact a few school massacres took place this century before video games were even a twinkle in someone's eye. Video games are NOT the cause of someone going on a killing spree nor are they facilitators of it. However I concede that they are a good outlet, like sports are, for built up aggression. Do we blame physical sports on massacres? No. Do we say they have something to do with it? No. It sounds ridiculous. So why would we say this about videogames? Because retards like Dr. Phil in the media feed this to us ad nauseum, and at one point we think it's true.

[Blue]

Dance Monkeys, Dance! (http://thatvideosite.voxcdn.com/core/2808/dance_monkeys_dance.wmv)

i loved loved loved this movie.



But i came to the thread to post this link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=bmSpj9z4S0Q

To emphasize that WE are to blame, not guns, or video games.. violence does not spawn from the void. Everything in this world is a reaction to a previous action, thus anything which occures, had a reason to. This guy flipped out and killed people because something happened to him, and nothing happened to change that.

but after watching that movie by NoSeRider, i feel like we've just been bad monkeys.