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April 3rd, 2007, 03:41 AM
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Petra Hepburn - Sixties supermodel
I guess I select a topic now then?
I did think of doing Lyra or Lord Asriel from His Dark Materials to fit in with the Iorek Byrnisson theme, but something that doesn't require you to have read the book in advance is proably better... So I'm going to be self indulgent!
Petra Hepburn Sixties supermodel. Petra is an appalling example of how fashion superstardom can go to your head. She indulges herself in all the latest trends and vices of her age, and hangs around with the 'in' crowd of Sixties New York. (Warhol etc) Indulged and decadent, she knows no limits.
Examples of strong sixties female characters: Julie Christie, or Twiggy, Jane Birkin, Jean Shrimpton, Marianne Faithfull, Edie Sedgwick, Mary Quant, Diana Ross etc. For a good 'sixties look' think Linda Harrison as Nova in Planet of the Apes. Also think of movies like the original Casino Royale or even Austin Powers.
Your concept should include a feel for the sixties, but exageration is the key. Also concentrate on character and personality as well as 'the look'. And remember to think outside the box!
1 = Sixties
2 = Supermodel
3 = Trashy!
Now have fun!
Make sure your picture contains these - you will receive 3 VOTES for each topic covered.
(for the new people)
NOT ALL ENTRIES ARE TAKEN TO THE POLL.
(the selection is based on technical quality criteria)
ENTRIES NOT POLLED WILL RECEIVE C&C
(i really try to do this every time)
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I am trying to set this as a professional demand. I act as the client...
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The ones that should go to the vote are:
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Oblio (don't hate me Mr mod!)
Oblio's Notes: - Big thanks to all who managed to put their name in the filename. You have no ideea how much time you save me.
Welcome to the newcommers!
Now... the custom here is to select for the poll ONLY the finished entries AND only the ones within a respectable quality level.
The level is set up by the guest - yet.. i will take the rights to make small adjustments.
No time for adjustments today - but.. hell - agian a lot of unqualified goes up :(
SOOORY for the delay. 3 more days to vote the next host! ROCK AND ROLL !
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April 3rd, 2007, 08:21 PM
Here is my initial sketch. any comments on the pose?
April 4th, 2007, 03:38 AM
I'm in. What can I say, I likes to draw the ladies. ;) Here's my rough sketch of Petra basking in the glow of her adoring public. On a side note: what's up with the mankeymankey... stuff? I'm just curious.
April 4th, 2007, 04:50 AM
Great start guys!
novenus - The pose is coming along really nicely. Are we going to see all of her? Cutting a character off at the ankles can look a bit awkward.
Bryan Young - Smashing pose, and loads of character already! Good to see things kicking off here...
Here's my start. This is tougher than I thought it might be...
Edit: Second update. Still trying for that McGinnis vibe with lots of patterned cloth. The blank space behind her is where I'm going to put the Warhol thing, and I'm still tryng to work out how to incorporate flat poster style into a more painty pic.
Final image. I had to rush the BG a bit as I'll be internet free for a couple of days so I needed to get it done tonight. Going to work some more on it some other time.
Billy took that 'photo of Petra on a hot New York afternoon in May, and it became one of his favourites. There was 'something' in her expression; something 'little girl lost', almost as though, for a moment, she'd understood how transient this all was. How ephemeral. The sixties were coming to an end, and things were changing; Billy had known it and somehow Petra had done as well. If only he could change things now...
April 4th, 2007, 06:50 AM
cool sketches u guys :party:
heres a start:
Edit: heres a new version..not so sure about that ..
final: couldnt get any further than this tonight
April 4th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Here's the bare bones of what I'm thinking of producing, this is a lot tougher than it sounded but I'm having fun looking at 60's stuff on the net anyway ;)
Here's where I'm at with it right now, still lots of work to go with it but I'm enjoy doing it so much - so thanks Poshspice!
Here's my final, pleased with some bits and not so pleased with others.
April 4th, 2007, 08:05 PM
April 4th, 2007, 10:40 PM
nice start this week!
don't really have time for this, but hey, it's not every day that you get to
draw a trashy sixties supermodel..
here's a Mcginnis inspired wip:
first of all, thanks for the comments! will try to take time of tomorrow to return the favor.
secondly, been busy with relatives n stuff during the holiday.. so there has not been time for any dates with
miss Hepburn.. here's the result of a last minute rendez vous with her.
April 4th, 2007, 11:03 PM
OK, so I KNOW I wont be getting this done tonight but here is what I have. I tried doing the drawing in the computer but I just couldn't get the control I can get with a pencil. There are probably 10 different iterations that I didn't save that I have done over the week. I finally broke down and scanned in a traditional drawing and did flat coloring. I think this method will work well in the future but I will have to scan in black and white instead of grayscale. If anyone has any advice, comments and/or critiques, I would love to here them!
She came out looking a lot like Twiggy in the face area so I added the shallow skin on the face to add a sort of drugged out aspect, something I will add to in rendering (if I ever do it with this piece.)
April 5th, 2007, 04:55 AM
more or less done..maybe just a few more tweaks n tightening up...hope the bg aint too cheesy...somehow 60s reminds me of vertigo.
April 5th, 2007, 06:57 AM
April 5th, 2007, 09:10 AM
Made several sketches, can't choose though.
Thanks for the advice Vahn, Poshspice and Monstertree but i'm a bit stubborn.
April 5th, 2007, 01:08 PM
re-edit... inspiration hit... but still probably too busy to paint... damn sked.
April 5th, 2007, 03:36 PM
So much great stuff here already.
Ok thats enough finished (ok lots of tweaking left but i have had enough)
April 6th, 2007, 03:25 AM
WIP so far:
I want to make the track marks look real nasty (heh heh heh)
Drat. I guess I got into it a little late as far as the initial sketches go. In retrospect, yeah, I guess she's a little too postmodern to be Mod. At the time, the biggest clues I went for were the skirt (that I picked up from some research), the hair and the skates. Probably should have gone more with a poodle skirt or something like that. The trash was too easy ... probably just because I got to trash the pretty girl heh heh. And the needle and cigarette filter were my attempts to add to the track marks ... which probably wouldnt have been seen as track marks without the needle ...
As it were ... here's my go, flaws and all...
April 6th, 2007, 08:34 AM
it's all GROOVEY!
a quick color play, (way too cheap...)
and finaly my final...
hope you dig. :D
April 6th, 2007, 11:28 AM
I am new here and I didnt see this challenge group until about an hour and a half ago. Here is a quick sketch with basic color. She has problems...but I think you can see where I was going. Thanks
And here she is after a little refinement.
April 6th, 2007, 07:37 PM
This one was extremely fun to do. Here is my Britney Spears inspired pose. :D
I have such a long journey yet to go to be a truly good artist. -_-
I was hoping to finish the car but seems like I'll be spending the weekend on countryside without computers. Happy Easter!
April 6th, 2007, 09:41 PM
This is my first CHOW... :3 See, I tried the whole "beehive" thing out. Get it? ha.
April 7th, 2007, 12:16 AM
April 7th, 2007, 01:06 AM
PETRA (nee Marcia Hepburn), mod model, lead vocalist and bassist for Azure Ophelia, a psychedelic rock band formed at The Workshop, Panda Whoreoil's studio and house of whoopee ;)
4/7/07 edit: some sike-a-dellick color laid in. man, it's been a while since i've used a palette like this! please C&C, happy to hear anything y'all might have to offer.
minor tweaks to color/contrast
Sve! that's great! i love the campiness, you've captured it very well :teeth:
April 7th, 2007, 06:31 AM
Retro subject retro technique. Good luck in the poll everyone!
54kb PNG version here (http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1835/mcgeechow01tw9.png).
April 7th, 2007, 01:28 PM
I made it, whew! Had fun with this one. Comments are welcome, I wanted to post a day in advance so I might make any serious changes that stood out. Thanks
April 7th, 2007, 05:54 PM
Second only CHOW, the last one being one of my first digital attempts, hopefully I've made some progress since then. Tried to adopt an appropriate style in keeping with the 60's theme.
Couldn't avoid the cliched bubble chair I'm afraid but have been consciously avoiding checking to see what others had posted until I'd fiished.
Favourites so far have got to be Stephen_R and Tommoy.
April 8th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Thought I should get back into CHOW. Great topic. My earliest thumbnail sketch had the pop art background like Posh's.... but he chased me away from the idea. When I think of sixties women, I think of those stringy butt-cut hairdos.
Happy Easter everyone!
April 8th, 2007, 11:14 AM
As "Belle de Jour". Petra works as supermodel by day...at night sells his body, triyng to catch the fame...
April 8th, 2007, 07:46 PM
Great stuff being posted so far. It's fun to see how similar and different the entries are.
April 8th, 2007, 08:59 PM
whew, I wish I caught this weeks topic earlier in the week :D
Petra was the queen of hair in the 60's. That is ALL that she cared about. If her hair was not largest and the best looking, she would insist on getting wasted off of expensive liquors and fine wines all day and night...
April 8th, 2007, 11:51 PM
posh - so, so good
the world - amazing thread -- more comments once the deadline has passed :) late start
Petra made up for her lack of depth by wearing very shiny boots.
April 9th, 2007, 02:59 AM
April 9th, 2007, 03:07 AM
iv been having trouble loading the site over the past few days :S not sure why.
Some really awesome looking images in here! :)
April 10th, 2007, 09:32 AM
Wow. amazing work everyone. i didn't make it on time with this one. I wanted too upload what i have anyway so here is it.
here is the initial line work
I didn't make it to color it in PS.
I'll be doing my best for the next ones.
April 10th, 2007, 04:42 PM
Well...the subject as well as the artist who posted the subject inspired me to sketch and so I did. I doubt me I'll be able to put color to her in time for the end of this week, but I still intend to use her for painting practice digitally...I'm trying to improve on speed as well as looseness.
Posh...your work is so painterly that I wanted to ask you what you used for this entry. I'm sure you've answered a bazillion times, but I can't find those answers....pardon me if I offend!
Anyway...even though its' obviously a sketch, there are issues...anatomy isn't the best I have done...that left leg is killing me because the foot is parallel to the right...it should extend beyond to give it a more sprawled and dynamic look...but I really like the bored, jaded expression on her face. I was heavily inspired by Vidal Sassoon for the hair styles. I still find his 60's cuts to be incredibly elegant and ahead of the times...they're influence is still being seen today...:)
Basically, she's posing for a photo shoot promoting his work...:) If I were to be able to finish it, I'd have black and white sketches in the background of various famous VS cuts...:)
Even though ti isn't finished, I would still love C&C...thank you guys and I'll do my best to finish her!
Just an extra comment...i think i will be changing those boots to peekaboo shoes with polka dots and a cute little bow...just to contrast the boredom...;)
April 12th, 2007, 08:57 AM
I've got to say I'm blown away by the entries for this topic. I appreciate it was a tricky one, and not everyones cup of tea, but those who had a go have done some great stuff.
The entries not going to the poll are based purely on level of completion and the admission by some of the artists that these were sketches or incomplete for some reason. In fact some of the ideas behind thse sketches are great, but they just needed tightening up.
I'll post some more in depth critiques when I get the chance later. And thanks Oblio for the organisation.
April 12th, 2007, 09:18 AM
some excellent submissions, and many very entertaining ones. it's kind of interesting to me to see how the trends of the 60s have become filters for the lookbacks people make, what has become iconic, and what has passed into the realm of trivia (if remembered at all). it's also kind of a chuckle to see how many "mixes" of now rather cliche 60s fashion and personality trends there are, which weren't really part of the scene then. but after 40 years, it's not surprising, i imagine i have the same misconceptions about my parents' days.
good work, all, and good to see such a turnout for an off-the-beaten-CA-path subject.
oh, yeah -- remember that this is multiple-choice polling, you have more than one vote!
April 12th, 2007, 11:03 AM
Congratulations to all the warhols who has drawn our sweettie Petra!
I think it was a very interesting threat and a little bit diferent than others.
MY inspirations comes from wong kar wai in 2046, i am completele agree with his personal vision of the 60s, also trashy and glamourous as the topic required.
I enjoyed very much drawing petra...thanks posh!
Well my votes goes to:
filip: traaashy!!in this way is excellent, Good draw but sincerly i preefer petras head form your wip...anyway...so inspiring.
posh: excellent, incredible draw, colour, concept, posing...no words...
flipmcgee: very interesting and great idea to colour petra with this tecnique!!!
April 12th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Posh has some competition this week! ;) Lots of good entries. It's always fun doing these CHOWs to see how the same topic gets interpreted by different people. I had a lot of fun doing mine; never did a character like Petra before. Thanks Posh! On to the voting...
It's really a toss up for number one for me this week between Posh and filip. I can't decide they're both great in their own ways. I guess the voters will decide. edujante would be my third place.
Posh - Great pose and painting as usual. The reflection on the glass of the painting is a very subtle and nice touch.
filip - Still the trashiest! I don't think I'd want to sit in that chair after her. ;) I did like the eyes better in the first WIP though.
edujante - Really love the lighting on this one.
Good stuff everyone.
April 12th, 2007, 08:33 PM
A lot of great pics my votes went to
Poshspice no reason to add why.
Vahn love her face and the dress pattern and colours.
filip hit the nail on the head with this Trashy supermode.l The stand on her chair looks odd to me to short? out of persecptive? No matter great pic and and got my vote.
masque nice drawing great colouring hippy sixties vibe not to sure if it is a trashy supermodel but great pic anyway.
edujante so differnet from eveyone elses and got the trashy supermodel with atmosphere as well great pic.
There where a few others i would have voted for but i thought i can't vote for all the ones i liked as .......hmm i don't know why. Too late now anyway.
April 13th, 2007, 02:21 AM
Hopefully I'll be able to post wip's and comments on other's works in the next chow: I'd love to receive help and give what I can. I always try to be constructive when giving feedback, so on to it:
Poshspice: Great balance between the 60's and trashy aspect. In terms of contructive insights, I think all I have is based on personal taste than anything. Though the one thing that throws off the 60s vie for me is her makeup; doesn't seem to fit that era to me.
filip: Beautiful painting. I don't see the supermodel aspect much and the sixties feel seem to be more on the furniture than the character. I think more clothes would've been a nice balance for that.
edujante: Love the original take on story. Can't really see the 60's vibe, but the trashy is very clear I think. Great mood.
penumbra: I love the old style used for the face and hair. Admittedly, it seems to throw things slightly off by being joined with the painting style.For example, I do like the face more without the paint over, would be interesting to see that developed more I think. I'm curious though, why is she holdng a dagger? Or something that appears to be a dagger?
April 13th, 2007, 06:00 AM
I would have posted this sooner, but I’m finding it impossible to access any of the threads at the moment and it’s really starting to piss me off! Sorry, rant over!
Thanks for the crits guys. I can’t help feeling that because this was my choice of subject the least I can do is offer my crits and observations for each piece too!
Here we go:
Novenus – Both of these roughs had possibilities. The first I feel was referenced and the second more personal and as a result has more character and could have looked great, but I really need more information to give a better critique.
Bryan Young – Fab! Beautiful clean pic, well rendered and professionally finished. I like her expression but still prefer the one in the rough, which seems to have more spontaneity. As you did a background, I would personally liked to have seen more done with it; perhaps some flashlights going off from her adoring public.
Poshspice – I like the use of negative space at the bottom of this, but the washed out colours don’t really work for me. Maybe a bit more vibrancy to suggest the saturation of the sixties. Is the girl in the Warhol pastiche meant to be Petra as well, because they don’t look very alike.
Vahn – I love that dog! There’s just something about it. Why it’s hovering I don’t know, but I don’t care either! :) Her expression is great. Very distant and detached. The sixties dress works really well and is a cool design. Good stuff! Maybe you could tighten up the composition a little but everything is there.
Monstertree – Another great pet! That Hilton woman has much to answer for! Some nice stylisation going on here. The sixties make-up and accessories work well. She needs a bit of work on the muscles in her legs and the anatomy. The definition is a little bit guessed at rather than referenced. As I said before, a great touch with the Velvets album cover behind her.
Spitch – Great simple design and presentation. A feel for the fembots in Austin Powers. Colour choices are cool, but there’s little depth of character. I want to know more about her, and I think we need more of the trashy element here.
Filip – Superb rendering and presentation. She looks positively wasted. Crits are I’m not sure how sixties that underwear is! Maybe more time spent hanging around 60’s Playboy websites is in order! The perspective is a bit out on the floor, but I love the McGinnis reference behind. One of my favourite artists.
Rogzilla – I do like some of the posing here. The weight on her shoulders is excellent, but there are a few anatomy issues. Her leg bends where there is no joint and she needs some work on her arms. Your line work is really nice, but she needs more personality in her face and expression.
Foofoo – Smashing character and expression! Another dog as well! Nice sixties touches, but the only thing you don’t need here is the blue shadow. She’d work fine without it. This pic makes me smile!
Pluizje – I didn’t put you through for the vote because as you said, just a sketch. However, it’s a shame this wasn’t finished because it was starting to look good. Interesting pose, she’s looking at us with gives communication with the observer and I like the hair. Also the composition was different with a landscape.
Tommoy – All of your roughs were fab, each with their own personality and take on the subject. In the end I really like your final choice. Shit loads of character and a superb smile. I’m not sure how trashy she is, but what the heck! It don’t matter!
Woodlandwalker – Another one I’d like to have seen finished, as it was going on a different track. Seedy and depressing but none the less a different take on the subject.
Mitze – You really went to town with the pet thing! Kitten, puppy… hell, why not a panther! Cool sixties accessories and some of the rendering here is great. Maybe this is a bit unfair, but she is sitting a bit like a bloke rather than a model, and a little tilt on her head would work wonders.
Moreuvian_lx9 – (Hell your name is hard to spell!) Yes she is a bit modern, as you say, and her outfit looks a bit like she works in a diner rather than on a catwalk (maybe the rollerskates don’t help). However nice expression, and you went for something a bit different with the outfit.
Ikuru – I was starting to wonder which was your final! Nice pose and the outfit is great. Lots of ‘cutaways’ which seemed to be popular back then. She doesn’t feel very trashy, and I don’t mean out on the streets, shooting-up trashy, I mean decadent and self indulged. I would like to see more personality coming through. One of the tricks in presenting characters is to have tham look at us. Communication with the observer draws us in, and the hint of a raised eyebrow or smile works wonders.
Penumbra – Really nice piece, and I love the idea of showing us Petra as a Bond girl like you said on CGTalk. I actually love the pencil work on the hair; it’s very of the time and how some comic artists worked then. Minor crits are, loads of flesh on show. More of a sixties feel could have come across in the choice of clothes rather than how much we (ahem) see of her. But the finish is very ‘period’.
Crobin – I’m glad you had fun with it! She does look very trashy, (‘all fur coat and no knickers’ as my mum would have said!) The staggered eyelids give a nice feel to this. You do need to work on the anatomy though to make the pose seem a bit more natural, and perhaps desaturate some of the colours a bit.
Megadubitably – Thanks for trying this as your first CHOW. Another one with a good sense of the sixties and something different with the beehive hairdo and the idea of taking that theme into the dress is great. The rendering on the face is good, but perhaps a bit more love put into the outfit as far as detailing would give this a bit more ‘oomph’.
Sve – Got to say I do like this one a lot. Lots of personality, an interesting pose and a real attention to sixties detailing that works wonders for the pic. I could see this on a poster somewhere. A personal thing is I don’t like her eyes too much; the drooping sides of them, but I appreciate this is something deliberate you were going for here. However the intense black eyeliner is spot on.
Masque – One of my favourites. Great presentation, thought for detail and finish give this a genuine feel for the time. The only thing she isn’t is trashy! I could go for this girl big style as she sang ‘Little Sister’ to me.
FlipMcGee – As you say retro all over really! Smashing setting and extras; twirly backgrounds are ‘in’! But why is she afraid of a tape recorder yet smiling at the same time?
Stephan_R – You can tell you had fun with this! A little Monroe pastiche as well. This is a clean fresh image with great detailing. The expression is one of shocked surprise with the draught! Only thing I’m not sure of, is the texture on the ground, but that’s a personal choice.
Greenjack – Hanging chair and sleazy expression are great. Feels straight out of the sixties, like a screenprint. Love it. Have to say, as a character presentation, say for getting information from, it needs more there, but as an image it’s cool!
Rustylynn – Sorry I chased you off the pop-art background, but you kind of did one anyway. Good use of the CND symbol, and she looks quite Woodstock. Not sure about the slight glimpse of the back of her skirt between her legs though, not needed…. Think about it… Colours are cool, but perhaps the boots could have been a bit tighter to her legs, as they have a bit of a feel of Wellington boots at the moment.
Edujante – Great image and ‘very’ different take on the subject! There’s a great backstory to this, I’m not sure I want to know it, but it’s sure as hell trashy! Atmosphere and rendering work well. There’s a strange bend on the leg closest to us, but it’s probably just an illusion. Top!
MarkWinters – I like this. A bit of a ‘shag’ feel to it. The stylisation is great and you’ve got it down nicely. Great colours! I could do with her looking more at us, and someone has already said something about the high-lighting, but that’s what you were going for here. Love the cat!
HankTheTank – You’re right, big hair! The face is looking good with the ‘absent’ expression. Other bits could do with some more work; the way the belt goes around her, the cut off on the arm behind the settee. (Perhaps you could have pushed the composition more to the right and had the hand come back over the back.) The outfit has a good sixties feel with the white edging, but perhaps a bit more detailing would help.
Craig Houghton – Fab pic! She looks lively and fun! Somehow, and I don’t know why, she seems quite modern rather than sixties. But this doesn’t detract from the fact this is well finished and presented. Great expression!
Fydbac – Another different approach. Smashing touches like the unzipped boot, bracelets and general accessories, and the viewpoint is unusual. Expressions good, and I really like this.
Adi – You’ve really thought about the presentation and the items to show the period she exist in. Good stuff! The skirt is amazingly short! A lot of time spent on rendering this up and there’s a bit of a Phillip Castle feel to the airbrushing on the car. The hairs a bit stiff, but maybe she’s just used a lot of Sunsilk today! :)
Metal Mike – You just needed to finish it! The line drawing was going somewhere, particularly with the hair, but I need more information for a better crit.
Silken – Wish you’d finished yours as well. Another one with lots of possibilities as the expression was going somewhere. As for your question I used Photoshop with a custom brush, (pretty much the conte pencil), with pressure sensitivity on and wet edges, which allows you to build up colour more naturally. That’s what I find anyway…
Phew! If I’ve missed anyone, please say and I’ll give it a go. Great round, and thanks everyone for giving Petra a go. Hope I’ve been fair, and I would love to talk more about each piece but I do have a job as well!
April 13th, 2007, 08:05 AM
I voted for Bryan Posh Masque and Stephan
thanks verry much for the verry good advice there POSH, I will work it out next time (btw, I was wondering what my final was too, my original plan was to go from greyshade to color, but I didnt have the time (or ennergy) to finnish it).
As for not beeing able to reach the site, I think for sure the servers are overloaded, where All strugeling to get on the forums (specially the ones with allot of pictures on). I think I read somewhere that they are rebuidling the whole thing, not sure if this is a fact (might be it was in a dream I had), maybe someone know?
April 13th, 2007, 08:11 AM
Had to vote for Posh again!
April 13th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Difficult choice, ended up splitting my vote between filip, posh and vahn.
April 13th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Flip, you have my vote. Great job on the overal line work. Looks like a bad ass side of Sargent's paintings.
Moreuvian- Thats one of the funniest things I've ever seen just cause we have an old white trashy scating ring back home. She looks like someone that worked there. Great job.
April 13th, 2007, 07:46 PM
I think all characters in this thread inspired by the description existed in sixties... it was a huge range of different subcultures from proper conservatives to trend setters, and to a peaceful resistance to establishment.
They were called Swinging Sixties, for coexistence of opposite philosophies and for revolutionary new ideas and life styles.
I see it as an idealistic time as well... spiritual time... there were so many ways on the market to save your soul so to speak...from being extremely active in attempt to change the world around them to searching for an inner harmony and dropping off from society.
Even in this chosen subculture the people who chose to create an art out of their life... they were idealists in my eyes. Maybe Andy Warhol was something different just earning his first million :) but his followers saw themselves as progressive revolutionists in people views and fashion and culture. They were sort of pagan priests and priestesses, trying to shake stagnation in minds and make a statement, to lead people somewhere...
I don't think cynicism was a trend just yet. They used drugs to enhance their vision, rather than hide from reality. Effects of drugs on human brains were unknown and it was considered an excellent way for recreation and deeper vision so to speak.
So I kind of see idealism and optimistic way to look at reality as a main features of sixties.
And as was already mentioned "trashy' had a different meaning in this time... "Trashy" in sixties were mini skirts, emancipation, overuse of mascara and cosmetic, attempts to make statement in the clothes and fashion... shortly put fist pioneering attempts to throw a challenge to conservative way to live. I imagine that they didn't consider themselves as bad boy and girls, hooligans... they saw themselves as pioneers, the most progressive people of the time... that's how I see that time. I might be wrong and I'm of course aware there were all kinds of motivations. We call them decadents maybe, but they didn't consider themselves as ones...
I write all this because that the position from which I tried to look at all entries...I apologize for the strange manner to write and for my long posts. I write as I can.
They are kind of difficult to judge because I understand that this is an artistic vision, a fantasy... I tried to compare them with how I see sixties, if they can used as a symbol of generation or at least as of one of the subcultures of the time. And of course I could not have skipped just pure attractiveness, enjoyment from some of the images and certain moods.
So here my thoughts, take it or ignore them.
novenus The second sketch... I like it the most for the attitude and good proportions... and very good expression of her face... I don't know to be frankly how much it is sixties.. looks more like 70th because of the low cut on her dress...on the other hand I could imagine this pose of some chorus girl in early soft rock and roll band... The third sketch has some sixties attributes, I think, especially the focus on her curvy legs, very emancipe, flirty shoes and the pose... but proportions are not very good.. head is too big, I think.
BryanYoung I like your picture very, very much... I think you did a good research and really tried to feel the sixties,, there is some charming naivety in her little psychedelic dress, and bold pose... pattern on fabric is wonderful, very sixties in my opinion, energizing and naive in the time, respect from me for that.. Thigh High Boots were later invention though, I think, late seventies... As far as i can judge, boot were worn just enough to show knees and this aggressive sexuality was much later in fashion. Sixties were still very mild. I'm not an expert though :). Her face needs more polishing, I think, it looks flat and sketchy comparing to the rest. Lovely picture nevertheless.
Aly Sorry for the familiarity but I heard that Poshspice was a mistake...
Technically it is beautiful, except that you chose colors fro BG and for main character in the same temperature and the same or close hues. I wish you made her skin paler and farther from the color of her tights. But that is not a big deal... The thing is that I feel 80th in this image so much more. Not as much in cloth although despite very many sixties details as sentimental polka dots, go-go boots and leopard short coat,,, those are very sixties in my opinion... but her make-up, a bit smashed, too 80th, 60ties were stricter I think, her hair cut, her tired posture, her hopeless mood, the whole 'I'm for sale' mood, makes me think about much more cynical later years... Edie Sedgwick was a goddess, pop-art icon, fearless girl who devoted her life to be in the first row...That's how I see her, at least in her earlier years... But it fits your description... and I might be terrible wrong.
Saying all this, I love this illustration... I wish you did face more individual. less flawless... Edie Sedgwick had thick eyebrows fro example and a little but resolute chin and a bit boyish features... that's very sixties btw...
People were intimidated by her... she was a very determined lady...an icon. Yours is a bit too spineless, submissive.
Vahn I like her face a lot and dreamy expression of it and how she smokes her cigarette,,, very dreamy, self-centered.
The only thing I have issues with is the composition, how you placed your character. She is centered in the middle of the page and there is so much empty space around her, that pattern on her dress is so very busy and the rest of the picture is so empty... I wish you put her in an environment of sort, a city street, buildings or worse dressed crowd or something. It would add to her personality, I think... She has a very sweet face, it is very sixties I think, they were very easy to look: sweet faces, no apparent aggressiveness in faces, not yet.
monstertree Strange but I feel sixties very sharply in this girl, because of the expression of her face and body language and her occupation... smoking enjoyably, feeling herself so up-today, contemporary goddess, she looks non-conformist, edgy but in very funny, naive way. It's strange because her face looks so much comical in my eyes... Crits: her upper leg looks anatomically strange, the muscles in particularity and the whole abundance of raspberry hue in the image is too much in my opinion.
Spitch Colors look like 60s to me, very simple and naive, but the character reminds me 1990s supermodel, like Cyndi Crawford with tiny waist and shapely body and those endless legs... Symbol of 60s was a boyish figure..
The dress is from 80s too in my opinion, 60s were into unusual cuts and shapes, like paper dresses or balloon dresses...
Crits... I wish you added more individual features to your girl...
filip I love you image just for very beautiful brush work and colors and good taste and subtlety and for good story telling. Her hair-cut, The Flip and the surrounding in the room could be sixties, IMO... but I'm not sure about the rest... those panties and bra... they are from our time... bikini in 60s were from much rougher, thicker fabric and with a different cut, it was almost tiny shorts, not this high rise on hips... The pale colors are our time too I think... 60s were much more naive... bright orange or yellow... heheh, that's the spirit :).
And trashy... well i wrote about this... they didn't exactly look at it like this... it was an experiment in everything and they were proud in being so progressive, not wasted... Suits Aly's description though... Aly should explain himself how he came up with this character for 60s... it is 70s cynical spirit I think.
Rogzilla I feel twenties of the last centuries in your drawing... those long gloves... no, I don't think it was fashionable back in sixties... they wore little short elegant gloves in this time.Sporty minimalism was in fashion. I mean middle sixties. It is not a big deal though because the image feels like a grotesque, but ... her hands could use some corrections. One from my right is too big comparing to her face and another one should be redrawn I afraid, wrong shape.
I'll stop here.
April 13th, 2007, 08:00 PM
Aly... thanks for comment and crits, it is priceless...
don't be harsh on your self because of the Warhol's art.. I don't think he wanted as much similarity as the general synthetic look in his portraits. As well as stylization, to be easy recognizable. It would be better if there were no pencils strokes showing in yours imitation of portrait performed on silk, you know... Just spots of colors, a bit dissolved maybe.
April 13th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Posh and Sve-Thanks to you both for your crits. Yeah, my anatomy in the legs (and hips mainly) is where I need the most work. Yet, the most pressing issue to me seems...why am I in the poll? I wasn't finished and it REALLY isn't up to par! :-/ I guess I should thank Posh but I really don't think my work is good enough here.
April 13th, 2007, 11:51 PM
Foofoo I feel sixties in your picture, very strongly... One of the main features of those years were pretty faces, sweet faces, nice open smiles, light charm... At least that how I imagine it... So I think you captured it perfectly... It feels like you used ref and that's all right, because your image is one of the perfect match to style of exactly this time...
I like the stylization of the little dog and her hair and your manner to paint overall with those delicate shadows and mild transitions in values...
Crits: her mouth, I think it would be better if you didn't use this black outline, she looks like her mouth is cut out from wood or somehting... and it is not consistent with how you painted other shaded spots, her elbows for example... blue shadow... although it makes her figure more prominent and gives it more weight comparing to the BG, still it looks strange and doesn't remind any possible effect how this might happen.
Figure is way too stretched, it would be enough if her legs ended where her her feet end right now, IMO.
I wish you used some colors for BG, it is a bit monotone and too big comparing to how less space you gave to the main character.
Lovely playfulness of the image and it is a spirit of sixties for me.
Pluizje I can't say anything definite about this character, she looks too general... proportions are correct I think, maybe feet are too small. People tend to draw feet smaller than they are.
Tommoy I think it is sixties in their finest... upbeat spirit, energy, playfulness, open face, experiment in clothes...
The car adds a lot to feeling of time... The bright yellow and the colors in total are great catch and carry mood on their own... You could give her a white boyfriend, it was just the beginning, the very first appearance of interracial marriage and relationships... Swinging sixties, nothing to add.
Crits... hmmm. somehow I wish you added some sort of imitation of the fabric or resin or some kins of material to her dress, some textures...It would have created the deepness in the image too, making her closer to us. I think your image would be better if you added some small details as well.. too many big shapes and not enough small details to stop my eyes on something. Right now everything is in focus strictly speaking. I wish you controlled our attention more... Overall it is a great image.
Woodlandwalker Her face is in wrong perspective and distorted too much... I really like foreshortening of her leg and arm with her hand.
Mitze Cat is kind of pulling a blanket on its side, it has got the most love from you, I think, looks almost perfect... the girl on the other hand.. her right leg grows from strange place on her body, should start higher I think... Legs are way too long, to the degree I don't believe it is a real woman. Her dress and necklace are from our time and fabric of the dress too. Her hair cut is not exactly sixties... I would define it as a military hair cut or something... She looks too general. her face expression is blank... I really like your manner to render though and the cat looks very soft, good texture of the fur.
Moreuvian_lx9 That's exaggerated earlier 50th, I think. the plumply women like this were fashionable in this time... She looks more like caricature and I like this... Gloves are actually very much sixties, but overall... MY god, she is skating with a ready to use needle... Wow... brains are totally dead... I like the humor, intended or not and I like the costume you invented for her... your picture is fun... hehe, a bit futuristic too. I think it is a good story telling... I like her sausage like legs :)
Crits... too much of blue monotone BG, placement of figure is good thought, across the page... She looks like a perfect airhead. Proportions are nice. Maybe I miss shading a bit and contrast, but not much.
ikuru, Ohh ikuru, your avatars always look top notch, such a great feeling of colors and understanding where to crop the picture, I love you God at war second piece btw, especially landscape, lake and sky... I like the cut off head the less... maybe it would be better to place it at some angle.
OK about this piece.... This pose is from our time, this sex appeal, aggressiveness in a manner to dress, hair, face, tan... it is all our time values... sixties were much more milder and sentimental and calmer and simpler, IMO..Maybe if you made her more flat chested she would have looked more like from sixties for me... right now I think about our days obsession with bigger curves... Tan was not in fashion too.. It was a pale skin and focus on eyes, because of that everything else were paler. There is some sixties feel in her belt and boots... in sixties they liked patterns on fabric, maybe it would help with a mood to add some swirls... She looks like American Idol candidate, IMO.
She looks more like earlier 70th to me, maybe late 60th, mostly because of the pose and her hair and tan... sort of Jane Fonda character Barbarella. BG looks very much sixties though. Overall I love your image, it is beautiful, intriguing and everything looks superb... Such a beautiful renedering of her skin and fabric...
crobin Ohh, I don't think it is sixties, it is more like character from Tarantino's movies... she is trashy alright, almost totally artificial from her hair to the fir on her boa. Sixties were almost totally natural except nylon shirt and socks...Black luxury car makes me think about life of mafiosi girlfriend too.
Crits... too many sharp angles in her body, but that might be not a bit deal in a stylized image... I wish you emphasized some muscles on her legs, they should be rounder. pattern on her dress is not following the shape of her bodyand it makes the image look flat too... Fir looks nice, but it is seventies I think or maybe even nineties. I like the gesture of her left arm and hand...
April 14th, 2007, 02:37 AM
Posh and sve - Thanks for the crits guys. I wasn't particularly happy with the face either, but at some point you've got to call it done. I was having trouble putting my finger on why I didn't like it.
April 14th, 2007, 03:02 AM
thnx for the crit Poshspice, i googled philip castle he has some mad airbrush work! i can see how the hair looks too stiff.. its my second attempt at rendering hair and i find it one of the more difficult areas.
i voted for Filip, Posh, Edujante, and Mark, awesome work guys!
April 15th, 2007, 01:19 AM
I appreciate all of the good crits! I'm working my butt off on the new one, even though I started a little late. The goal is to improve exponentially with every submission (yes... from black and white to color to color with texture and a background. WHOOT! Maybe next time I'll go really crazy and add some perspective!)
April 15th, 2007, 02:34 AM
megadubitably I like your image, mostly because she has a personality, quite integrated... her hairdo, pose, glance, costume gives me a certain impression of confident, elegant, i would say smart, beautiful woman. I think about her as strong personality because of the colors and body language... I don't think everything in this image makes me think of sixties though, especially her hairdo and gloves,,, kind of lead me in different direction.. Crits: Not much, but I wish you did something to make the image more entertaining, it is a bit too simplified, I don't think you will be able to keep attention of your viewer for long. She does have a lot of individual features and she is quite an interesting character for me but I 'm left with wanting more... i wish the colors were more exciting too.
masque Hello, buddy :). Thank you for all links you provided for me and all names you mentioned. I looked at all of them... I found very many curious facts and it widen up my humble knowledge of sixties... I still want to hear from your own impression :). It's nothing like eye witness memories for me... They have a taste of the person who told them.
I understand more now why you say "surviving sixties" ... Freedom to choose without information can be fatal thing so to speak...
OK... you know I love your entry, I already wrote to you about it... I have to say it too some time for me to get used to the color you chose... but maybe it s really the right combination to represent the sixties. I thought it is a bit too vibrant at first. I just got attached to delicate soulfulness of the black and white version... Colors killed the deepness a bit, made the entry look a little more lighthearted and commercial if I can call it like this. the lovely natural feeling of the first version is gone, she has much more artificial feeling, IMO, with this strange combination of colors and BG being darker in value than her dress... the aquamarine color of her dress looks very unusual for me...But it is not a bad thing, I kind of like this effect, it is awaking.
No big crits, I can see her being trashy in a mild way.. I remember this scene from Forrest Gump movie when his love interest sings her song sitting with her guitar dressed scantly in front of the huge crowd...
I would probably use a different crop for the picture if it was up to me... less BG, more of character.
FlipMcgee Wonderful understanding of what sixties might have been, well in my opinion...I would not mistake this image for representing any other time period. So I think you have a very good sense of style and fashion and spirit of the time. I like the composition and in your image very much... I like her gesture and by incorporating certain elements ( radio, her dancing moves) in the picture you made be feel the rhythm and and music in my head. That's wonderful skills to communicate with your viewer...
Crits: Colors are a bit too straightforward for me and not very attractive in my opinion... you don't use them to communicate they are pretty random and square. It's subjective of course.
Stephan_R That's sixties, that's sixties... IMO :). I enjoyed your image, i think it has so many good things about it... humor, irony, cultural references ( to the earlier years hehe), unusual perspective, a lot of fresh fun details, very precise clothes for the time period, hairdo, colors, funny expression on her face...
I like it lot... It makes me feel a bit strange because your stylized her anatomy and it looks strangely stiff, like she is a little plastic doll with unbendable legs,,, but I really like this effect, I find it ironic... I would probably prefer different crop of the picture with lesser BG or it would be nice to fill up the space with some stylized objects... I'm not sure about shopping bags, they kind of make me think about near to me shopping center... too contemporary... But overall it is a very charming piece.
Greenjack I like the composition and proportions are pretty good I think and it looks like sixties and everything is actually matches the description of the character...I like the pose and how it makes the certain shape and divide the image across diagonally with her hanging down arm leg and risen up leg, very beautiful, unusual composition... I like the relaxed carefree feeling from the pose, I wish it was more exciting, some interesting combination of colors. It looks a bit empty right now. But overall it is very nice picture.
rustylynn I like the delightful colors, it does remind me sixties in clothes... I wish you used some ref for her anatomy.. Her pose is not well balanced, she is slightly falling on one side.. I have to say those colors and bright polka dots attract my attention.
edujante A very beautiful image, great colors, contrast, proportions, pose, story telling... Not sure about money on the corner of the sofa... it kind of tells me a bit different story. This shirt like dress reminds me the same character from sixties, Eddie Sedgwick, that was her favorite manner to dress... and in general I imagine her like the girl in you image..bold, determined, fast... Not sure if she was selling herself, you know.
I love how you painted her body and this light from a lamps on her dress and the whole room, looks wonderful and very interesting to observe. I like how effortlessly you used few tones of green and blue and yellow and created very beautiful palette. Perspective of the headboard might be a little strange, but it doesn't matter for me. I love your image.
MarkWinters Your image is so much fun, you keep me busy looking at every object in your picture... it is lovely stylization and I like everything about it. colors and composition and the main character and wonderful objects in the room. Apparently you did a serious research, even the cat and the little low table and city behind the window and grass and the lamps look so much from the time period, from illustration of the time... I think you have great feeling of styles, the essence of it... No crtis actually. It is very nice and humorous picture.
HankTheTank She looks so exhausted, I think she has a personality and I think she fits to the description very precisely.. I think her pose looks a bit strange, I wish you put her arm on the back of the sofa. at least returned her elbow for us to see... I think you might need to paint the fingers patting the cigarette for sash to drop to make the gesture more expressive and obvious... legs could use some correction too... Sofa color is too active, too domineering. I like the picture but it could be more polished and more entertaining.
Craig Houghton Hi Graig... I love your image, she reminds me drunk Renée Zellweger :)... Well rendering is very beautiful and actually everything looks great int he image. Such a gentle transition of values, all this makes me look at her carefully, the delicacy in painting in contagious. I like the humour in the image too, she looks so wild, i expect her to start laughing with crazy idiotic laughter and then start hiccups in the next moment and then go wander around pulling table cloth down with her drunk hands. Very cool image, nothing to crit... well maybe her hairdo, looks more like our time or maybe 70th.
fydbac That's very interesting style, unusual... i like the story telling in your image and generous details for the character... I like the perspective of the striped chair, but I think the perspective of the girl, especially from waist down is wrong, legs should be more bent in the knees and torso probably too...She looks much bigger than the tiny chair too... Her legs are a bit strange, I think it is probably because of the perspective... I think you could make the colors a bit more bright... Well interesting image anyway.
Adi. the figure of the girl and her cloth are fun and very enjoyable to look, she looks very attractive... I like how you rendered different fabrics, her legs, shoes, costume, everything is very beautiful. I like the attitude in her pose... Her face looks a bit too flat I think comparing to how beautifully you painted her tummy and legs... I wish you made her face as effortlessly painted as the rest, there is some tension and stiffness in the head overall. her neck is strange looking and the position of the head.
I wish you change the blue BG on some less active, or made it warmer, some warmer blue, you know... to incorporate it with the rest colors more. I think it doesn't go together with everything else,, too big cool blue space... Everything is in focus in your picture, i wish you made some details not that sharp, more dissolved in the air. Overall it is great sixties feeling IMO.
MeTaL-Mike The only Petra in pants, if I'm not wrong... Looks sixties to me. The proportions are bit off I think, head is so small comparing to the rest... her pose is not right, she is falling to the side, she doesn't stand firmly on the ground.I like the outfit and it is a good start.
Very interesting character, a lot of personality, interesting pose, but I think proportions are off, head is too big and foreshortening don't look truthful... But it is very interesting approach to the character. Looks promising I think. I think composition is pretty good, the chair and her legs don't stand firmly on the ground though IMO.
April 15th, 2007, 08:27 AM
massive effort with all the crits u have made.
I'll keep the things you said in mind and next time i will try to better incorporate the bg and also try to create a focal point for the picture.
thnx heaps for the crit.
April 15th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Hi sve thanks to your crit! really constructive and also i appreciate the effort to write one for each other!!!!
April 15th, 2007, 02:06 PM
thanks verry much sve!
verry kind comments and crit.
I know that god of war pic had some issues.
But still I did push myself with it and Im pretty happy with how it turned out.
April 15th, 2007, 02:29 PM
Thanks Poshspice and Sve for your time and effort writing those crits, it's very helpful and much appreciated :)
April 15th, 2007, 09:01 PM
yeah, what they said... thanks sve and posh for the crits!
April 16th, 2007, 01:41 AM
cool thx for the crits & thx for the votes :D <3 :cheerleader:
April 16th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Poshspice and Sve, thanks for the crits, appreciate it. And thanks to Benkashmir and Rustylynn for the votes...first time I've managed to pick up a vote in a CHOW/COW, let's hope it's the start of a trend!
April 16th, 2007, 04:08 PM
Again, thanks everyone who had a go at this topic! I'm pretty suprised about the outcome of this one, but it's very nice too! Thankyou for the crits, especially Sve, who makes interesting and intelligent observations that I need to take on board! :)
April 16th, 2007, 10:30 PM
greenjack.... you got a vote b/c yours looked like it could've been drawn in the sixties
all....thanks for the crits
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