Endregan's Journey Sketchbook _ paintfest 2005

[endregan]

Well I have been wanting to start my own thread for this, got some materials for my birthday and am excited to be sketching. Much props to WildSpruceMoose (my brother) for use of his scanner.

Here is the beginning, can't scan every single thing I do but I'd like to share with you and hope to progress. Any comments and critiques welcome, I have a lot of room for improvement!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/1stsketch.jpg
1stpage of my sketchbook


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/skull.jpg
did a lot of bridgman studies as you can see...


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sketch2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sketch3.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sketch4.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sketch5.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sketch6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/odetofoster.jpg
An ode to an inspiration of mine, Jon Foster. playing with pen and ink on the side as well as pencils.

Thanks, Hope to have a good time.

[thomasaurus]

keep working at it!

[endregan]

thx for the encouragement :)

[Jeff Gran]

cool man you finally got your own thread. :cool:
The bridgman studies look pretty good, but I would concentrate on getting cleaner lines...something I am also working on right now. Try to draw slower, that may help. Bridgman's style makes it look like he drew really fast all the time, but I have a feeling they took longer than it looks. Anyway, keep posting stuff, I'm looking forward to seeing your progress.

The skeleton diagrams look particularly good to me, BTW.

:chug:

[endregan]

yeah... thanks Jeff I guess I am getting sloppy with my linework. must keep practicing and perfecting. Guess I do gestural sketching a lot, then don't erase and leave it all looking blotchy. Thanks for the feedback I'll definitely work on it!

[antihero]

hey endregan,

I agree with Jeff, that your linework needs some improvements (so does mine). I think it's easier to see where the mistakes happen when you draw in clear lines, because when you do very sketchy paintings it looks like "not too bad" and "nearly correct" even though there might be fundamental mistakes.
Except for that, your sketches look pretty good! i think your shading is allready better than mine... ;)

The skeleton views (diagrams?) look pretty good to me also, i'm thinking about buying that bridgeman book...

Keep it up!

antihero

[endregan]

thanks antihero. It will be like learning to draw all over again, because that is how i draw... Oh but have no fear Ill keep it up! Shading is a definite weak area of mine, but ill get to that soon enough! seeya around. maybe post some more sketches or dump some later maybe monday

[endregan]

Did some more, sketching a lot more now and keeping in mind the tightness of the lines, however I do believe a sketch is a sketch still and must not always be pure lines...but thats beside the point I am keeping it and mind and love all of your feedback. I am trying more from my head after I do studies and I find I can draw better from it. It may take a while but Im prepared to draw and draw and draw... :).

Heres the next batch, about 10 images to give you an insight of what I have been up to. Any comments appreciated.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan9.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july28/scan10.jpg

[antihero]

and now... what's that?

Maybe you only posted the wrong pics... ;) The last one show some pretty good pictures, with very clear&clean strokes...

The anatomy Studies look good! maybe you could do some more studies about single parts of the body, not all at once, but maybe that's just me... ;) Serious, the recent stuff looks good. Excuse my ramble in here. :)

Go on!

antihero

[endregan]

thanks anti :). lately i have been doing torso studies so this is why you see a lot of body. I am slowly working through anatomy, havent gotten to arms hands feet or legs really, but am still attempting every now and then. Im moving on to the lowerbody and different parts of the body as I go on and its great to put it all together.

It will take a lot more practice but I am enjoying this. Thanks for all the feedback. I'll be hoping to post some more scans today perhaps, and maybe some of my old digital paintings I haven't posted at CA for you to have a look :).

Thanks again anti for taking the time to comment !

Taking one step at a time,
Jack.

[endregan]

Im back in action and got a few scans. Some old paintings done too. Some of these sketches I found turned out better if I spent longer. Was fun, learning more as I go.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/scan1.jpg
Bridgman torso studies..

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/scan2.jpg
free sketching, trying out torso, some quick others more controlled..

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/scan3.jpg
more bridgman torso studies, some hatching on the side/shading practice

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/scan4.jpg
spent a while on these. found out the more i spent with the forms and values the better they were...all from head! Of course not perfect but is okay!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/scan5.jpg
some crazy idea I had surrounded in random head sketches

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/scan6.jpg
practising angles of the head sort of. was fun to do a lot on one page, not all of them are perfect, perhaps a tad flat but they were quick and fun. bottom of the page is my fav.


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/serradone-small.jpg
not sure if ill get back to this serra angel painting, going back to sketching for values then i might try painting every now and then again..

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/july29/trumpet-skycombined.jpg
Did these in Photoshop, worked out okay as it was my first digital paintings that I spent a while on. Did these for art class and opened up a new world of possibilities, the teacher was impressed and liked them. I know they aren't perfect but I like them :).

Thanks for stopping by and again any comments appreciated!

[Jeff Gran]

good stuff man. I also find that it helps to switch back and forth between studies/copies and imagination drawings. You apply what you learn as you go. And I know what you mean about spending longer on a drawing...it seems obvious but you can't really draw without thinking. The more you think about what you're doing the better it is, and it usually takes longer because you get caught up in it. anyway, just rambling here...keep it up.

[jester]

Hi Endregan, just want to tell you that your anatomy studies look really good - keep doing them until you feel confident about what you are doing.

As for your color works - try to read a bit about color theory.

Jester

[Fipse]

As told above some good anatomy studies. Some of your no-ref bodies seem to me a bit out of line as if you´ve been going fast to the details and lose the coherence of the whole figure. Maybe it would be a good practise to use mannikin-figures like shown in the Loomis-books (and afaik Hogarth is using them, too) to get a better grip to overall anatomy and the movement of the body. I myself am using this mannikins all the time to check poses, movements and composition (not always successful but that´s another story ;)).

Keep your passion!

Fipse

[TheBlasianOne]

I can tell that you're very committed to drawing, and drawing a lot. You've been studying Bridgeman I noticed so obviously you're on the right track. Studies and life drawings are a great way to get around blocks and plateaus, especially for myself. Good work, man.

Blasian

[metaphysiks]

blasian is right. first and foremost you are showing the will to become a better artist. i believe that this is more important than having any "natural talent"
if you have no drive you have no motivation and without it you have no improvement. keep studying but remember to learn from brdigman rather than attempt to draw like him. he has such an appealing style it becomes very easy to teach yourself to draw like him rather than take the information in his sketches and learn to apply them to your own. keep up the good work and i cant wait for another update.
meta

[endregan]

Thanks everyone so much for the encouragement and comments, I appreciate it very much! Sorry for not updating sooner, been organizing my room to fit a large table to do my art in. Been busy lately but I hope to dump some sketches every now and then as much I can. Below are replies to your comments and the next batch!!

jeff- I know what you mean too. Its great to study from reference, draw from life and such and then just use what we learnt and apply it from our heads on paper, and just go free with our minds. It's a great thing and I will be doing studies and then using my imagination, sort of evolving as I go with skill and then applying it!

jester- thanks for the kind words. I am not really focussing on colour right now as you can see, and they were about a month or more old - but they were attempts. I am hoping to study colour once I understand value better first... will be interesting to see the next time I paint!!

Fipse- thank you for taking the time to notice. I am not exactly perfect from memory yet but as I learn more and more the more things dont look right so I must erase and then fix it and such. The manikin studies sound good. I will make sure to double check and think about positions and keep drawing until i get it right. Will take a while and some time but Im up for it!

blasian - hehe thanks man. nice to know that what im learning has worked for others and lets me know I should just keep at it. :)

meta- Thank you, I have always been determined for what I love and I dont give up easy no matter what.. :). I will keep in mind that his work is stylised and try and work on the forms rather his linework, but it does get hard sometimes...but I will surely do my best to at least be aware I am drawing his contours and style. Thanks for the advice.

Here we go!

Studies:
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug1/scan1.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug1/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug1/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug1/scan5.jpg

Randoms:
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug1/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug1/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug1/scan9.jpg

[metaphysiks]

good to see an update. i can see that you are still drawing from bridgman. when drawing from him ask yourself some questions. how does he draw this? what muscles does he show? How does he describe the forms and what volumes does he pay attention to? these questions will allow you to be aware of why these lines are put down instead of putting them there because he has put them there. this thinking will allow you to make more conscious decisions when you attempt to render the body. keep it up
meta

[Iiori]

Wow, I see alot of improvements especially with your torso studies from the begining to the end. Great job.
:D

[OrangeCatNinja]

i'm definetly seeing a lot of good improvement, i just got the bridgman book too!

looks good man! =)

[golgari]

hey endregan...you're doing well :)
those studies look very good, and the poses in your last random sketches look pretty good, too. the main problem i see with your sketches are the proportions, i think. maybe pay a little bit more attention to these the next time. otherwise, just keep going! :)

[endregan]

Thanks guys. Will be more sketches to come - have been really busy lately! will have more time to respond to comments. till later!

[tinyhands]

those are some decent bridgman studies, but I think what your forgetting, or maybe just don't know, is that although bridgman is kind of a chaotic draughtsman, every line he's putting in his drawings are describing form. There describing where the musculature is inserting and how its strapping over the skeleton and bones. So alot of those lines are describing the directional flow of the muscles. One other thing, like alot of others said, slow down and do these studies real methodically. What I didn't see in any of your drawings, were the big shapes. Try starting out with big shapes and then work your way down to the smaller shapes. Just starting off randomly with line in a single point is alot harder. Its great that your taking and putting in the time to study them though. keep it up. Bridgman is really tough at first, but it gets easier.

[endregan]

Thank you tinyhands so much!!! Will try for forms and gesture over line... and will and have been taking a heck of a lot more time then I used to. I know I have progressed slightly and will keep pushing to keep at it. we can never plateau we can always have the drive for something better, different, unique, or exact!!

Sorry my server is down right now....will be back up in a couple hours as they are moving servers over. Will have a new batch of sketches for you then. Thanks guys again :), been real busy !

[endregan]

Next batch...got some in so be prepared!! Still sketching as much as I can even though Im really busy!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan9.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan10.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan0.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan02.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan03.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan04.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug6/scan.jpg

Thanks everyone for your input!

[WildSpruceMoose]

Hey these look very familiar ;) Hehe I've scanned all these endregan and I've told you in real life, may as well embarass you infront of this art community, that each time I scan a new set they show more and more improvement. I'm slowly trying to do some anatomy of my own :D These look great. I really loved the arm study, as I was putting that in I thought, damn that's nice.

[tinyhands]

those are looking better endregan. One thing to remember also, which alot of people don't know, is that when bridgman taught at the art students league, he was drawing from a great distance away as well as above him. This was so everyone could see, because the class sizes were really large. So he was really erasing anything, so sometimes he'd be going over his own drawing to make a point of to specify what he was trying to teach. So often on alot of his drawings, there will be places that hes going over his own drawing. So when you do these, also try and edit so of the lines out too. Great job. Keep on doing them. If you want endregan, i can email you some of my old bridgman stuff, as i am in the process of getting a server. There kinda old but I think for where you at you could probably benefit, and probably get a better understanding of where you need to be taking these studies.

[golgari]

the arm studies look pretty good.
your own stuff looks still somehow out of proportion...plus it's a little bit strangely twisted and partly flat. try thinking about breaking down the main masses of the body in simple shapes like boxes...like that, you'll both get a little bit more volumetric approach and it'll be easier to get them right in perspective...

[endregan]

tinyhands: thanks for the comment! nice to know how bridgman did these i was always wondering :P. sure email me endregan@hotmail.com or link up your bridgman studies it would be appreciated!!

golgari: hmmm yeah my own stuff isnt from life so it isnt really perfect, but as i progress i assume i will slowly draw from my imagination with disciplinary form in mind. thanks for the tip :)

heres the next batch. been real busy but will try and fit in drawing a lot more !

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan8.jpg

randoms
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan01.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan02.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan03.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug13/scan04.jpg

[golgari]

houah, that's _quite_ a batch. good studies (you posted one page two times, though?)
one thing i notice throughout most of your own figures is that they all have extremely strong neck-muscles, which makes them look over-muscely and clumsy - at least for my taste.
you might want to check that...

[endregan]

Hey golgari thanks: yes i have to study the neck more perhaps i am prone to doing this by fault. will make sure to keep in mind and try different things out :).

Thanks for your continued support guys and special thanks golgari. I need some more feedback so I can grow more though and appreciate any words!


Due to the blackout I was quite productive having no energy for near 24 hours. Was quite a good experience. Here is almost half of it here, will try and get the rest scanned and posted later!

studies
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan2.jpg

randoms
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan01.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan02.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan03.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan04.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan05.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug18/scan06.jpg

been experimenting with inks too but havent scanned any yet...

will hopefully experiment with colours soon again. :) I have much to learn!

Thanks guys

[endregan]

here it is, 2nd part

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan01.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan03.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug19/scan04.jpg

[Jeff Gran]

nice, man. you're drawing up a storm! keep it up. Can't really offer much advice except to keep going and think as much as you can about how to improve. The bridgman studies all look really good.

[jester]

Great blackout! ;) Seriously, it helped you to improve a lot. However, when I compare your Bridgeman studies with your own drawings I discover a lot of squiggly hasty searching lines. I do them myself, and the more uncertain I am, the squigglier and darker they become - try to draw them lightly and finally try to find "the right line" and emphasize that. The proprtion issues you probably see all yourself, studying Bridgeman that seriously.

Keep up the good work!


Jester

[catterpillar]

fucking hell! If i could draw half as much sheer content as this I'd be happy. If you keep this up you're going to become Van Goph (without the ear cutting and stomach shooting that is). :D

[golgari]

yeah, the amount of your drawings is amazing.
those studies look very good. maybe try incorporating them more into your "randoms". like, when you'r sketching a full body in a pose, try to keep open the book with the arms and stuff beside you and draw the arm from the book, so that you get a feeling for not only how the arm looks, but also how to incorporate him into a full body-system.
also, if you somehow get the chance, maybe try doing some gestures from life in order to get a feel for setting up the body-poses. i don't think that you necessarily need a lifedrawing-class for that if you don't have the opportunity. just doing gestures and lifedrawings from people around you should help a little, too, i think.

[tinyhands]

Those are looking great endregan. Keep it up. As golgari mentioned, definately keep those books open while your doing your own drawings so you can apply what your learning from them. Also, if you want to add facial anatomy such as eyes, noses, etc. to your studies, pick up John H. Vanderpoels book called "The human figure" Every good artist I know has this book and has studied it relentlessly. Great to see you putting in the time.

[metalwinds]

good to see youre studying anatomy. just keep studying it and studying untill you get it down really well and i garrantee that your art will improve greatly.

peace

[Fipse]

Hi Endregan,

you´re really eager and learn at a rapid speed. I wish I had this energy at the moment.

You´ve been doing a lot anatomy in the last time and at your figures I see that you remember what you learned. I think the main prob at the moment are proportions. Personally I would recommend beside drawing your usual stuff going back for a while to the mannikins (maybe the Loomis-ones; I don´t like his anatomy very much but I think his mannikins are quite good). And don´t worry much about actionposes and anatomy but proportions.

Later on - with your knowledge about anatomy it shouldn´t be much of a problem for you to flesh the mannikins out.

Fipse

[Sumrow]

Your rollin' now... keep it up!! Sketch everything.,.. and anything... and try different styles too!! Listening to different kinds of music helps too!!

Also, graba brush and a bottle of ink... and go "nuts" every now and then... then go back to the pencils. Esperiment ALOT it keeps you fresh...

Keep it up!!

[endregan]

Here we go again!

jeff: Thanks man you always encourage me :)

jester: yes my squigglies have to be there for some loss or gap between missing info I havent quite learnt or perfected yet...I must stray from doing it!

cattapillar: Oh thanks but I wouldnt put my name beside gogh, I have a longgg way to go but one day I might become a successor! anyone can do anything with practice and determination!

golgari: thanks for the tip I will do it more often, from this batch you can see me do some armpits with from bridgman then i do another page to try it out...im not quite there yet but things take time :)

tinyhands: thanks and i will look for that book, although books upon books can get expensive! well see :)

metal: i see what you mean I can see the anatomy coming along better than before and I am glad I have such good inspiration and encouragement from people like you and all of conceptart.org

fipse: thank you....I should try more mannikins and try it out for poses etc and get my proportions down infact: MENTAL NOTE: Do mannikins for proportions!!! THank you fipse for taking the time to stop by. You know one day well meet and sparr kungfu style :P

sumrow: I am trying to experiment as much I can but I dont have as much free time as I want but I will definitly keep trying new things of course. thank you!

Thanks for all the feedback it is much appreciated. enough of my talk heres the next batch ;)

studies
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan5.jpg ^--attempt at drawing armpits with the bridgman studies i did...pretty hard but i am slowly going onward..

for fun and some life drawing here and there (my hand and kitty ;)):
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan01.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan02.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan03.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan04.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan05.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan06.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan07.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug23/scan08.jpg

Till next scanning session. stay tuned for a page of sketches from the movie "The messenger (joan of ark movie)", I love movies :).

Later!

[golgari]

hey endregan, good studies...what book are you working from? maybe try to find a full-body-look there and try do some studies from that, so you get a feeling for how all the parts connect.
and do some more lifedrawings. teach yourself to closely observe everything. the knuckles on your hand for example look pretty off.
another thing i noticed about your sketches is that when you're not sketching from reference, you tend to make the bodies "flowing" from the ribcage downwards. try to keep in mind that there are THREE main solids of the body: head, chest/ribcage and pelvis...

[endregan]

thx golgari. im working from bridgman. I have done full figure studies earlier but havent reviewed them which i really should thanks for pointing that out.

yeah the hand is a bit off but i just started doing hand studies so... bare with me!

[behemot5]

i found this site.... it's write from a book i read which is really good and which can explain a lot of things on the way of drawing and what happens on our brain when we draw....... in my opinion it's a book which must be read carefully for the one who want to learn.
http://www.drawright.com/
this one seems interesting..
http://www.geocities.com/~jlhagan/lessons/mainmenu.htm (http://)
I think you could find a book on proportions of human body....it's really helpfull...
these are ways i used to learn how is a body ..
i give my opinion not ofently because i think i'm not very good neither in english nor in drawing...
i hope that i don't offend you...and that I give you good solutions even if i have a huge lake of knowledge...

[endregan]

thanks behemot!! I understand some french but I am not fluent so if you dont know how to say something I may understand . your english is fine!!! Thanks for stopping by.

I will pay more attention to proportions...I havent even done the female body yet I have so much to do so little time :p.

Thanks for the tip!!

[endregan]

ugh been busy and looks like the last week of holidays is even busier for me but ill keep trying at it for sure :).

heres some more

studies
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan2.jpg

others
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan01.jpg
pastels attempt - thanks daarken for the encouragement ;)
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan02.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan03.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan04.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan05.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan06.jpg
still working at proportions and hands. its keeping me busy and i know i cant get it all right away but I am trying !

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug24/scan07.jpg
this is the sketch from the movie. I recently discovered the value of a dvd system that can freeze the frame perfectly and stuff. and well i watched this movie and paused when I saw a neat sketch I could do.

Will try and post as I am allowed time this week ;). One more week then im back to highschool :P

[StephenC]

always nice to see someone doing the bridgeman studies and trying to apply them to their work...

[endregan]

hey thanks stephen...nice to have your input as I admire your art!!

I have recently fallen in love with pastels so im gonna do some more and am also working on hand studies so next batch look out for those ;)

[buffaloe]

Nice work here, endregan! Your contours seem very well placed... can't wait to see more shaded studies :) The sketch of the demon guy on the 18th is really cool... I'd love to see a whole page of sketches on that guy...good job!

[Jeff Gran]

I really like those sketches you did from the movie...that's a really good idea, I should do it. I've got Braveheart, Gladiator and the Lord of the Rings to keep me busy, man I can't believe I hadn't thought of that.

[golgari]

yeah, that movie stuff is really pretty cool. damn.
you make me realize how much i need a dvd player...

[endregan]

been really busy lately....

buffaloe - thanks for the encouragement, i dont do a lot of shaded studies, less than i should so i will try and do some more :)

jeff- thanks yeah its great to sketch from movies plus you can watch a movie and feel like your not wasting time ;)

golgari - thanks yeah dvd's are great my family just recently got one they are pretty cheap now they are like standard on the market so its not that pricey anymore, which is why I have one now :)

heres the next batch of sketches..lots of pastels :) fun !

studies
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan001.jpg
did this page of hands after i did studies... hands are hard!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan002.jpg
trying out proportions more...getting there almost


bunch of pastels

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan01.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan02.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan03.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan04.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan05.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug29/scan06.jpg

school starts next week...lots of things happening so i will try and post when i can.

Later guys

[Robolus]

Great man! You are improving very fast.:thumb:

[golgari]

good studies. the fingers look a little small to me here and there, though. but yeah, hands are hard. and they are important. it's always like that. the important things always are the hardest ones....damnit ;)
the proportions don't look bad.
i still think you should do a study of the neck muscles. hmm ;)
you seem to get a feeling for those pastels. the very last one you posted is really nice, considering colour and use of the pastels aswell as anatomy (and here the neck looks quite good, too). good job :)

[endregan]

Robolus: thank you for your kind words, coming from you, this means a lot to me !!

golgari: first off..i want to thank you for the time spent you take every day to check out the sketch book threads and give constructive criticism and feedback to all of us here on the board... its really helpful and encouraging and nice to know you are here to help. I thank you!!

fingers are hard!! I am still going through hands steady though (i hope). and it is another thing to incorporate into my free sketch fun time :)

have been inspired by daarken, hawkprey and of course all the dailies and you all here at CA really keep me going.

next few

hand studies
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan4.jpg

rands (didnt spend too long on some but im still going for it...)

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan01.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan02.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan03.jpg

another pastel....thx daarken these ARE fun :) (any tips? anyone?)
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/scan001.jpg

and last but not least i have tried digital painting since the start of summer again (thx hawkprey ;)) here is my lously attempt with hp's style in mind. Please dont hurt me hawk, i know this isnt pretty but it was pretty fun :). I have a lot to learn yet...:)

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/aug31/hp-inspired.jpg

after this long weekend im starting school so that should be interesting...

looking forward to art first semester. i am going to be painting a lot! with different mediums. any ideas/suggestions welcome although i have a few in mind :)

[xia]

Very good hand study. Keep going with the figure also, the more you do the better you get.
If you keep going at this rate everyday, three to six months from now you will see big improvement in you drawing.

One of the trick I would do to keep myself excite about drawing is pick couples of your best sketchs you have today. Then keep drawing everyday ( I mean every single day at least couple hours:but preferably more:, no skipping). Three months later, pick couple of you best from the last week. Compare them. Then you will see a big different and it's very exciting to know that you are improving, even if a little bit.

Keep it up!

[golgari]

:)

the hands look good. the fingers are not always perfect, but in most cases they are alright. just keep doing some more, i think it'll come with time.
same for your randoms. just maybe... try getting them more in-depth. and try feeling the main weights. you're working with that bridgman's guide to life drawing, right? bridgman has a wonderful thing there going on, with his dividing the body in the 3 main masses and then just playing around with them. maybe you should try to study this a bit and think of it. i think it's pretty helpful for getting your drawings more voluminous, and even partly for getting a feel how the body moves, where the weight lies, etc.
concerning the pastels - maybe try using less colours for now. it always looks so chaotic. just pick two harmonic colours (for example, complementary colours) and try to get everything done with these colours, maybe using different values of the same colour, but still not having such a colour-mix like now.
maybe also get some advice on how to stroke properly with pastels. your strokes look a little smudgy, too. i can't help you with that, though, since i never used pastells myself. daarken? or maybe look around the internet or the library if there are any articles / books on that thematic.

[endregan]

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/collab1.jpg

this is the first step i did for a collab between iwasink and i.

this is gonna get good!

golgari: fingers are hard but after a while im hoping it will sink in :). ill make sure to keep my studies in mind more and make sure proportions and all is correct.

I am not sure about the pastels, i will try and keep the colours down more and try different techniques out for sure.

xia: Yes I know what you mean! I looked at my very first sketch and my first few sketches and had a good chuckle :).

its funny how over time your eye gets trained.

thanks for stopping by.

[daarken]

the key to pastels is layering. like for skin tones put down a very light layer of red first. do not press too hard though! then ontop of that a light layer of orange, then yellow. then ontop of all that you can start using the flesh tones and press harder. just like painting, use layers and save the highlight for last. hope that helps some!

[xia]

Agree with Daarken.
It 's getting better though. Keep it up.

[golgari]

i like the feeling and the general direction of that last sketch, but it is very rough. i'd be interested in how this develops. keep posting the progress with that one :)

[endregan]

hey golgari u can check out the collab thread at http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10970

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/collab1-2.jpg
think ink and i are done :)


todays dsg. whoa been a while since dsg.
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dsg/dsg-personalairship.jpg

start school tomorrow... crazy summer.

till next time

[buffaloe]

I can really see some improvement with your drawings, endregan, keep it up! I noticed something interesting with your hand studies... you seem to have them down perfectly when it comes to the structures underneath... bones, muscles, tendons... but when you sketch hands with the skin on them, you seem less confident... odd :) Great work... I love the ink studies!

[R_M]

noticed the samet hing as buffaloe,

all your hands are linedrawings, maybee it would help you if you applied some shading to them. that would increase your 3D awerness of how and where the fingers are.

still you have improved so much since the beginning of the thread.

[Iiori]

I also see improvements. Its great! I like your hand studies, though I do agree with the others. Keep working on them, you have them down now so your just gonna get better. :D

Your collaberations are really nice as well.

[golgari]

hmm, doesn't look bad, but it's very messed up. make sure that you don't get too tangled up in this style, because it's pretty easy to cheat oneself in that rough style. make sure you always know how the things look like that you want to draw and not just scribble over it when you don't really know how the shape you're wanting to draw should look like.
hmm. don't know if i really got around what i wanted to say. anyway, just keep your sketches diverse ;)
oh, and another sidenote: be careful with that "fading into white" (you know, that stuff at the edges of your sketches...i guess you achieve it by choosing a really big white airbrush-dot and then just placing the airbrushstroke pretty off from where you want the fade to appear). if you're not careful and actually setting yourself a goal on what's it's purpose you're risking to overdo it, which often looks pretty cheap...

[endregan]

Whew been real busy with school. dont worry im not slacking with art. just busy cant scan much and not a lot of spare time from school, art, work etc. this semesters gonna be great. business and art in the morning and then yearbook in the afternoon... its awesome. anyhow onto responses!

thx buffaloe...Man hands are hard and it takes a while but im gonna keep doing them just like i will try and keep everything up. one thing at a time but going over is good for review...i will try harder :). those ink studies were in Photoshop really. I will try and post some of my actual ink studies when I can!

r_m thanks man...ill definitly keep close attention to form and shading. :)

iiori - good to see ya back :). Ill keep at it for sure!

golgari - hehe dont worry its just i havent digitalpainted in a while and the HP style was crazy cool so i just messed around in PS. dont mind the messyness :). i know what u mean with the fading, its all gravy!


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept3/scan1.jpg
self portrait (yes my linework is crappy i didnt erase much or pay attention to that sorry ) havent done one of these in a while!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept3/scan2.jpg
another pastel. am still trying it O_O!

random sketches trying diff poses.
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept3/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept3/scan4.jpg

[xia]

It's coming along. Keep it up kiddo!

[golgari]

hm, yeah, i think you're slowly advancing, too.
the last page with randoms is heading in a good direction, those perspectives look interesting. you're not shying away from the lower body, do you? you seem to get extremely loose on the belly pretty often ;)
the pastels look a little better already. however, the grey makes it very smudgy, and it doesn't fit in to the other colours...maybe next time try not to draw any black/grey outlines at all. just do it like daarken said, lay one layer over the other, from dark to light. so just choose the colour you want to have, take it's darkest shade, start with that and add the lights to it...so that you have shades of the same colour and not a totally different colour, like black or grey in there...

[endregan]

thanks xia and golgari.

yes... that is a problem! i am trying to incoporate legs into my drawings more im slowly building that up :)_


i will try more with pastels for sure

[endregan]

been busy . school is fun :)

been sketching

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan01.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan02.jpg

randoms
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan9.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan10.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan11.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept6/scan12.jpg

[stormeffex]

endregan-your studies are superb. i wish i did that many studies instead of just from imagination. i can see improvement in your work because of the studies. keep it up.

[endregan]

thanks storm. anyone can do it you just gotta keep at it!!!

heres a painting i tried with open canvas... trying to learn how to paint :P

http://visiblesurface.com/sketches/painting/faces1.jpg


SWITCHING SERVERs will be back in 2 days maybe 3...

[endregan]

woot less than 24 hours and server is back up...

[zeroe]

tis my first post in this thread
i was just looking through and i like ur stuff, and i like the improving youve made so far. Im sure youll get alot better with time. Anyways witht hat over i wanted to comment on those hand studies of urs, i like them alot, very loose very free. Id like to see more of that kinda stuff, anatomy and all. but thats just me ;)

keep it up

[endregan]

hey thanks zeroe for stopping by.

i thank you for your compliments. over time i will acquire the skills i am striving for I am sure, if I am persistent

the studies sure are fun...thanks for the comment on my hands :P

i am trying to sketch as much I can everyday it is really great.

im slowly edging my way into colouring...

hence another digital piece in OC

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/painting/sketch.jpg

and an sp i forgot to post

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept7.jpg

[jester]

Hey endregan, good progress! I recommend that you try to learn painting not digitally but with the real tools and only then switch to Open Canvas, Painter or Photo Shop.

Jester

[zeroe]

my suggestion is that you could try to practice cell shading before you go on to more traditional coloring. I think it gives good practice in handling shadows and highlights. And once youve mastered basic shading mechanics you could move on. Because at this stage ur coloring looks a bit confusing. Shading and colors need to mimic the shape theyre on, urs appear slightly random.

[metalwinds]

the best way to learn how to paint is to paint from reference. experiment with different things and see how things work. the same goes for the figure drawing... .learn anatomy and do plenty of life drawings.

peace

[endregan]

thanks guys.

yeah i figured. i dont really know as much about colour which i do about line but even then i dont know a lot.

I am still trying and am definitly doing traditional painting and will experiment and keep at it..

everyone learns differently :)

[thomasaurus]

It looks like your improving! Remember to keep your lines simple and clean.

[golgari]

hey, that selfportrait looks pretty good.
your figures look very bulky, though, still. maybe try to check the proportions of the muscles in relation to each other

[endregan]

hey thanks guys for all the feedback..

sorry havent scanned much lately but i have a ton of scanning to do ;).

ill have to filter what i want to scan

i am focusing on anatomy, shading and getting it to look right..


heres a digital sp i did tonight

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept10.jpg

[xia]

Keep it up! It's coming a long. Nice face you got there.
The more you do, the better you get. Observation is one of the most important thing in drawing and painting. Then apply to your drawing. Observe carefully then apply as accurately as you can. Speed is also really important...

I have no idea what I am talking about. :D
Keep it coming, kid!
:beer:

[endregan]

hehe thanks xia i will keep trying...

next little bit. i have about 90% more that i did but here are a few i chose that may show you how im attempting figures lately. a couple of these i really like...its fun to sketch :)

I am taking Art Portfolio last year high school and im bent on decision... some of you may know from experience how i should go. I am set towards learning how to paint so i want to primarily paint most of the time for my works.

We have basically 5 main portfolio pieces and I want to do oils, acrylics, pastels and maybe mixed...

Is this a smart idea... ? I was thinking, we had to choose a theme for the year and im leaning towards... REALITY VERSUS FANTASY. which is broad- to keep my options way open and sort of experiment.

i will be drawing and painting but i would like any ideas or suggestions thanks!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan1.jpg

attempted pastel...

and the following a couple of them from ref (skater mag, some faces i picked up etc)

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/scan9.jpg

digital playing around with one of my sketches

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept11/random1.jpg

[endregan]

SP for tonight...


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept11.jpg

[buffaloe]

Hey endregan, nice work :) A few suggestions for you.... youir self portraits seem to mostly be done from the same position, the same angle, and you have the same expression. Change it up a little.. move around, make a face and sketch it, etc. I know it's a tough thing to do with self portraits...

Also, the digital painting of the guy with no shirt and brown pants on.... looking good, but his head is way too small.

Overall, I see alot of improvement in your sketches... Keep it up!

[zeroe]

i think your faces are a bit too elongated, making them seem abit wonkey. But other than that good work, you still ened more contrast with ur coloring tho!

[Jeff Gran]

what up man. This one looks better, but you're right, not quite what I meant. Maybe try shining a strong light on one side of your face next time. It will make strong contrast which will make it easier to pick out the shapes. And try to go for broad areas of the same tone. also, try using a shade of grey as your color instead of black with variable opacity, this will allow you to scribble over a big area and not worry about your stroke direction, pressure, etc.

As far as painting goes, it's always good to experiment as much as possible, but painting is just drawing, but more complicated. So my advice is to keep working on drawing for a while. I think many painting ateliers and stuff make you draw for a year first, then paint in only black and white (or other monochrome) for a year, before you even get into color. Just my 2 cents.

[endregan]

thx buffaloe i will try diff poses. i quickly did a sketch of my whole body infront of a mirror on the ground this time, should be interesting ;)

zeroe i see what u mean :)

jeff thanks man i am still always drawing so painting a bit here and there is not a bad idea to mix it up i dont think :). the sooner i learn colours and how they work the better! i just better not fool myself :)

I see my linework and form/shading slowly progressing over time perhaps? \

heres some sketches ive been working on. thinking of ideas for paintings i will have to do this semester in school

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan2.jpg
hehe i drew fosters head :). no disrespect if i made you look bad :P.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan4.jpg
self portrait.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan9.jpg
one of my fav pages

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept14/scan10.jpg

[xia]

I see, you've been pretty busy. Those are nice, keep it up.
:D

[endregan]

Thanks xia i do try and sketch as much as i can. also this semester i am planning on doing painting so i need all the practice i can get...!!

heres another sp for today http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept14.jpg

[endregan]

a little oc digital i did today.

man i gotta keep up with the traditional painting too but sketching is my main priority.. for now!

i start my first studio piece this week...

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept15/sept15.jpg

[xia]

Hey kiddo, those are nice color! Keep it up. :D

:D I am still posting on your thread, see?
:chug: Cheers

[endregan]

been reaallly busy.


thanks xia...

im a bit under the weather but still going at it. sorry no scans as of late but there will be for sure ive been sketching away. heres something digital i did

please pardon me shizzy patience and colouring...
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept17/sept17.jpg

[Iiori]

Aww I hope you feel better soon!

On your newest one, I like the colors you used in the face. Its very effective. Nice pose as well. ^^

[endregan]

thanks iiori. Im not sure if its a head cold, or allergies or what it is. its that time of the year i guess and its getting colder and colder so well see!! hope my sinuses clear up soon :p

Heres another SP I did today.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept18/sept18.jpg

[endregan]

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept18/dsg207.jpg

DSG 'imaginary friend'. if you like it maybe ill post a larger res :)

[zeroe]

i think the main problem with your latest sp is the shape of the head and positioning of the mouth.
the jawbones should end their curvature a bit further up and be smoother, to give a rounder impression. and the mouth should be further up, there were the curvature of the jawbone ends usually.
keep going

[endregan]

thanks!

youll have to excuse me for not getting my face down after all this time. ill learn eventually :)

[WildSpruceMoose]

I love that guy to the right in the imaginery friend dsg pic. Damn cool pose/shading. Good work on the others too!

[endregan]

Thanks petey!

heres another SP for today

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept21.jpg

[golgari]

your latest self portrait already looks a lot better than the ones before.
and i like that dsg-painting, too. the only thing which still bothers me is your way of letting the each body kind of "flow" to the bottom. i always get the feeling that these people are made of clay or something like that, since you don't have many hard edges or clear seperations between the different extremities of the body (arms, hands, legs...)

[behemot5]

i thonk this one could be helpfull to improve your sp http://www.gfxartist.com/features/tutorials
and more specially this one...http://www.anticz.com/heads.htm

[xia]

Yes, better! Keep it up! More sketching.

[Lunch_Box]

I think your head needs to be widder or your face needs to be shorter.

Your making good progress.

[zeroe]

i think your making improvements concerning the shape of your face, a step in the right direction concerning realism :D

now just practice alot, try many perspectives, and youll get there :)

[endregan]

Hey guys been really busy with school and life basically. in art class im doing an acrylic painting which is pretty exciting. learning how to paint and use colours etc. Its really fun and Ill try and get a picture of it when its all done.. :)

Ill try and get some recent sketches scanned in around the weekend hopefully :)



golgari: thanks man. yea i dont have as much exp with legs as upper but im more focused on upper for now then i am hoping to unify everything ive learnt gradually..

behemot: thanks for the links, it has helped me out and its pretty good to do a tutorial to make myself realise what i am doing wrong. i chuckle at myself. a couple hundred more heads to do...

lunchbox: no not really :). my heads longer than it is wide, thats the way my skull is. this is perhaps why it looks a bit odd and i really havent totally got my face down but im still working at it..

zeroe: thanks for the encouragement, ill for sure keep at it dont worry :)


xia: yeah man more sketching for sure...just havent had time to scan any of it..!

thanks for stopping by everyone

sp for today

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept24.jpg

[Jeff Gran]

lookin better man. You'll get it! A little advice. Start trying to be more forceful with your mark making. In your SP for example, I would advise to not scribble white on an area that you've already painted grey. Yes, it might be darker than what you actually see, but you have to "up the contrast" in your head so you can put it down exaggerated like that... start with the biggest areas and shapes and move smaller as you go. keep at it.

[endregan]

Ive been real busy lately painting and school keeps me mighty busy as well. It's great how long you can spend on a painting and keep adding to it.

Im learning a lot about painting in general, and I forgot to mention I am taking an Acrylics course next week, so I will hope to improve my painting skills! Still looking and hoping for a life drawing course though

Thanks for the advice jeff. I understand what you mean. Now heres my head again! :)

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept25.jpg

[zeroe]

ah a diffferent perspective for once :D
good work
however, when drawing mouths you always appear to draw the upper lip too large, making it seem abit awkward, unless you have such a large upperlip ;). Try making the lower lip larger instead. Also i think you shade in the creases in your face to strongly. i tihnk this makes them look more prominent than they really are, cause im sure you dotn look that old. If you make them lighter i think your face will appear smoother
good work

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yay endregan! Keep at it. We have a lot of work to do this semster in art.

[endregan]

after all this time a few sketches for you to see. Im just starting to get back into studies so no studies here yet. Heres some recent sketches I've been doing.

thanks zeroe i see what you mean about that :). my face is strange ;). Ill keep at it though


thanks petey


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/scan1.jpg



http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/scan2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/scan3.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/scan4.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/scan5.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/scan6.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/scan7.jpg

[Jeff Gran]

nice man. Your heads are getting better. Some of your poses still look strange, maybe try thinking of the structure of the body like you have with the head. For your SP, now just spend more time on it, try to get some more detail in there. also squint. youll notice stuff like the darkest part of the lips is usually the line down the middle.

[endregan]

thanks jeff ill try that :)

a sp im not too fond of. was playing with using huge brushes and lots of contrast. the pose is same ol and isnt too good but i guess ya gotta start somewhere..



http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept28.jpg

and some random idea i drew in oc

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/sept28/rand2.jpg

[mos667]

Wow! I really love the improvement so far. Looks excellent. Your sp's are turning out a little odd though. I Think the reason is that you are just shading in pretty much, and not realyl focusing on details. Maybe working on lineart would help. Also doing it with pen/pencil would help out a lot. You also may want to study the features on the faces (lips, eyes, noses). It really helps out! :)

Sorry for the harsh stuff, but I'm a noob too :).

[Robolus]

Yes, good improvments again.
I like the pose from the angel.
:)

[WildSpruceMoose]

Good improvement man. I've seen most but you hid the digital works from me and my scanner! hehe

[xia]

Hey, it coming along. I like the second one, good post.
keep it up!

[endregan]

hey mos thanks yea. i usually only do linework this is what im trying to get away from. my head will take a while to get used to but my next plan is to look in a big mirror and just keep sketching until it looks right .. :)

robolus glad u like it thx!

sprucey thanks petey

xia - ;) everyone seems to like the 2nd one :P. thanks again!

Well this is what Ive been working on a lot the past 2 weeks for my art portfolio course in school. A larger than I normally work with painting. Its acrylic, took me about 2 weeks to do and I learnt a LOT about painting, what to do what not to do and I have a long road ahead of me. Im sorry I couldnt have anything higher res, the digital camera is pretty poor quality.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/painting/artfinal.jpg

enjoy!

oh yeah and i start my painting classes tonight so im pretty excited

[zeroe]

very nice!
good color choices
and the toning and shading is better aswell

what disturbs me tho is that it seems like you used the plastic wrap filter in general, you might not have, but im getting that effect :P

good job

[WildSpruceMoose]

Yeah that's a great painting man. Wait for your next one when you put what you've learned from this one into it!

[endregan]

Geez been a while sorry guys havent been updating much..

Zeroe: I dont know what you mean? is it the picture quality or the way i painted it?

Ive recently been doing mad leg studies, that is, when im not working on my studio piece. Ill give you a hint, its a creation with a spin, in acrylics ;) might try putting oils ontop, not sure, any suggestions?.

ill post a few of my studies and randoms whenever i can, but for now youll have to enjoy this quickie digital sketch and if you havent seen my last painting yet, its in here somewhere



http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct6/quicksketchoct6.jpg

[xia]

Hey Kiddo, those are nice. Good enegetic line. The painting is cool, good vibraint color.
Keep it up! Keep it up! :D

[endregan]

Thanks xia!!!

Been busy all the time :). Here are some sketches from the past little while, sorry for the lateness :)


been doing a lot of leg studies
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan8.jpg i liked this idea, may try to paint the top guy jumping possibly

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/scan9.jpg my silly idea for my next studio piece :). it has changed slightly and im still working on it. its 3 by 2 feet in acrylics.,

[endregan]

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct10/dsg-godhappiness.jpg

dsg god of happiness hehe

[jester]

Endregan, if you manage to keep that pencil mileage you'll be right there in no time. Esp. like the ghost in the last one!

Jester

[Dan.v.D.]

you truly improved considerably!

[endregan]

thanks jester... i try and sketch as much i can. you inspire me greatly as i have seen how far youve come and you keep at it! :)

dan.v.d thanks for stopping by! I was afraid noone was coming here anymore haha.


todays dsg. barbarian warrior
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct13/dsgbarbarianb.jpg

[endregan]

Self Portrait today:)

been a while

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct19/oct19.jpg

[TheDirtSyndicate]

its truly a surprise to see such improvement.
i went page by page, and could see it clearly.
i think all of us should take note of this and implement this into our own work. we should all keep working at it. stay focused and never give up. and keep challenging youself. and if you cant challenge yourself, get some one else to do it for you.

[Jeff Gran]

your latest bridgman studies are much improved. I love the crisp linework. I think you need to try to incorporate that more in your imagination work. When in doubt about a pose, draw a thumbnail sized stick figure until you can feel the pose. on your SP, you should try playing around with different brushes/settings. Don't be afraid to change brush sizes while your working either. You can do it really quick with the [ and ] keys. Also on tonal stuff the edge quality is as important as line quality in line drawings. Try switching to white with x (in photoshop) and sharpening up your edges. Keep on posting man I always check your stuff.

By the way, I'm not sure if I bother you or help you when I give advice...I'm no sage just trying to help.

[endregan]

complete 2: hey man!! i have been to your website and admire your art, i am glad you saw any progress at all, its encouraging to hear :)

Jeff: of course i like to hear advice from you man.. any feedback is much appreciated! I try, not as much as I should, but i try to incorporate my studies into my imagination...

Im slowly building up the body :)

A couple sketches to show you what im up to. I have a bunch of leg studies I believe..perhaps next scanning time :)


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct20/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct20/scan2.jpg

[tinyhands]

endregan, your bridgman studies have come along way in a short amount of time. great to see that. Keep it up

[endregan]

Hey thanks tinyhands. Hoping all these studies will help me and I am slowly starting to see things differently

A couple of sketches using the technique iwasink used. hope he doesnt mind me practising it :) Perhaps he can tell me what im missing

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct23/scan1.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct23/scan2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct23/scan3.jpg

[Lukias]

Hey man:)
I tell ya what, its really awesome to see your dedication, you certainly put in alot of effort.
After doing ref studies myself and often thinking about the whole studying/learning process I have reavaluated what I think is a good process.
About 6months back I went through a B/W photo ref book and sketched each of the 350 pics. I followed that up with about 200 sketches of the skeletal structure.
Now if all that ref work was really that valuable then the benefits of having done it should by rights shine through in my work.. or so you'd think. But I really feel I learnt very little
from it.. or far less than I would've liked.
Heres my theory..
Acutally I just thought of an example that works aswell... At school I started to suck a Maths when it started getting into the heavy shit, algerbra etc.. I would just be wrapping my mind around one topic when the following day we'd move onto something else and it just swamped my brain, eventually I didn't take anything away from Maths at all.
So when I constantly injected tons of ref pictures, every anatomical aspect my brain wasn't focusing on any one point, plus I subconsciously got into a rhythm of trying to make the pics look accruate as opposed to thinking about how the elements came together and functioned(the real reason for studying at all). So all this information wasn't getting attention in the forefront of my brain.. I wasn't able to do any instant recall, for instance... Being able to visualise various body parts in new and more accurate angles, thanks to my ref studies. I found that all I had done was spend hours of time duplicating B/W photographs but hardly taking anything solid away from it.
Its was just a complete swamping of information, generalised
information as opposed to something exact and specific.

Conclusion:
I now feel the best approach would be to focus on the absolute basics, even the experienced artist should this. Aim to be able to render the human body..say in basic cylindrical forms in mulitple angles, before moving on to a vast array of detailed body parts and there relation to there neighbouring parts.
I also think that when tackling the finer aspects it would be in your best interests to nail something fairly solid, embed it in your mind so its there for good.. THEN move on to the next thing. I see all these ref works.. like 3 renders of feet.. move on to the next, 3 renders of lower legs etc. This meagre amount wont solidify anything, especially as people just move onto the next anatomical element and begin to swamp the brain with masses of undigested information.
Also I wouldn't recomment doing a huge sitting of ref work(unless life), too much will overload. I would do some ref work and follow it up with concept work, preferably revolved around what you have just studied, this acts as a perfect means to see how well the fresh info can be recalled. Plus recalling info and phsyically applying it is the absolute best way to keep it concrete.
All said this will obviously depend on the person. Some people are naturally better at remember things and recalling them. Plus it all depends on your enthusiasm for the subject. If you enjoy it more, you'll remember it more. Which explains why people like me don't remember any academic info from school.. it didn't interest me so why would my brain choose to store the info???.


Summary:
Absolute basics. Forms in space and relation to each other, movement, and accuracy of lengths.

Hitting the finer points: Multiple attempts at one element untill there is atleast some decent solidification in your mind.



.. I think there was something else but I gone done forgetted.
Hope that helps you anyway!(writting it down helped me acutally)


EDIT: Hey Targetes comment made me think about what I said. Remember its only an observation by me so don't take it on board as 'the way' or anything. If it rings some bells, then groovy, but be sure to carve your own process! :)

[TARGETE]

Lukias Brings up great points, never thought about it like that. Everyone has their own methodology and its great to share what we know.

Your work has progressed, continue pushing on. Continue working from refrence and life. Draw a few simple objects..eggs..cubes etc. Light them and render them. Try to get the poportions as accurate as possible. Try some still lifes..boring? yhea I know they are but do one or two a week.

most of all

Ask questions as well.

hope that helps

JP

[scumble fish]

endregen.......A lot of work here in your book. I like the fact that you mix it up between graphite and digital. Your drawing is evolving so its hard to evaluate. I do notice that most of the compositions are broad in scale .....nothing close-up. I would like to see a subject fill the frame. Try to flesh out the details more. Make a stronger attempt to pin down with line what exactly is going on. Its ok if its not accurate at this time. Its the commitment that counts! Your self portraits are quite nice. The one below I particularly like. One last idea then I'll shut up would be to try starting off on a initial BG color. Wipe your BG to a neutral value and pick a complementary hue to paint with. This will allow you to work with a light and dark value different from the BG and thus set the subject off the BG easier! Anyways ...good work, Keep it up!!!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sps/sept25.jpg

[endregan]

Lukias: Wow man I thank you for taking the time to type all of that up!!! I appreciate this. And perhaps I will learn from what you learnt. I am trying. Perhaps I am being too broad especially for me beginning. maybe one step at a time. studying the head 24/7 for a few months with breaks for free sketch and perhaps torso. I have focused mainly on torso. One can tell by my sketches, the legs are never really that well done. Again thank you for taking the time!!! Ill focus until I can draw one part 360 degrees CONFIDENTLY! THank you.... i can now go even further!

Targete: thank you! I love your art... and to have you crit is very welcome and i am flattered. I actually have been doing still lives its just i haven't gotten a picture of any. Im taking a painting course every thursday for 8 weeks...its helped me so much with value and colours. Hopefully I can post some soon as i get a pic!. I will try what you have said. Thank you

scumble: awesome advice... thank you!! I am glad you see i am progressing as i slowly am over time ;) practice makes perfect! I usually go smaller but recently I have been doing larger humans on paper. it gives room to work with it more its actualy quite nice...hope to show this in next update!

Thanks again guys. you help me grow...!

Here is my thunderdome progress. Im not good with legs so their not in it... not till im comfortable. heck im barely comfortable with colour!! :)./ any comments/crits will help me... :). Im hoping to have it done pretty much. I should by friday !!! In the bg im hoping to put a bridge of some sorts. perhaps a bit futuristic but antique. not sure yet.. :)

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct26/t-dome-progress.jpg

[MindCandyMan]

You have come along way...but definitely consider what kress has said...even in the little time I have been drawing I think he is absolutely right about that...I have just recently been going back to simple shapes and realizing that I CAN'T do them! If I can't drawing a square and cylinder correctly in perspective how can I draw an arm or a face. Keep it up bud you are progressing...push harder.

[endregan]

my tdome. not what i wanted and didnt turn out how i wanted but i know next tdome i will do better!
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/oct31/final.jpg

Thanks mlessard!! Yeah i am trying to draw from ref and thats working well. ill try and post some this weekend.

mcm: thanks man ill definitley check out simple shapes. i have drawn boxes rectangles and in 3d and shaded. spheres and what not as well. anything else i should look at?

[endregan]

Been a while since a large dump but here is a couple weeks or maybe only one week. actually yeah one weeks worth. time flies when you draw!!

Ive been working from reference, and focusing on the head...and going back to simple shapes and breaking it down again!

here they are in no particular order

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan7.jpg
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan9.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan10.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan11.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan12.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan13.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov2/scan14.jpg

[J.Mac]

hey endregan i just looked through all your stuff and i must say you have improved! keep up the hard work it is paying off. you should start doing sp's with pencil or something where it is real hands on so you can measure and start to see the structure better. to draw well and get accurate drawings you need to measure, measure, measure than make marks, and repeat as needed. unless it is drawing from you imagination. but i think you get it :D also where have you been i haven't seen any portraits from you lately... keep it up!

-Jesse

[Lohan]

Your discipline and drive is very inspirtational. Keep it up.

[zeroe]

i didint check out your thread for awhile now, and i must say i completely agree with the others. your progress is visible clearly over the thread. so all i can say at the moment is keep up the good work.

[endregan]

Thanks a lot guys!!


JMac: I miss drawing with you guys!! I did a pencil self portrait recently, I will be hoping to do more! sorry bout that! :P

lohan: thanks!

zeroe: thank you bud i appreciate it


Here is my 2nd studio piece. Acrylics again on canvas 2'x3'. It was fun. Oh and you can see how it changed from my sketch for it. Yes it is Michaelangelos creation, but twisted and done by me. It was fun. Its not perfect but I am learning lots about painting for sure


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov12/studio2.jpg

[metalwinds]

nice progression endregan. just keep drawing all the time and stay dedicated.. . .youll see yourself progressing rapidly

peace

[endregan]

Thanks metal!! As long as I live I will draw :)

Sorry I couldnt get my most recent stuff scanned. Ill try and get a next scan batch of sketches sometime this week.

[MindCandyMan]

Keep it up bro! Do a bargue drawing if you can...it will help speed your progress along even more!


http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12104

[endregan]

Thanks Jon!

Yes I will try the bargue. I am a bit confused though as to the threads. do you use a bunch of threads all over the place to measure? how do you tell or you just know and see.


A couple i was able to get scanned today

SP-lips off, didnt render much but its in pencil for a change
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov12/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov12/scan2.jpg

[antihero]

Hey endregan!
Good work over and over again! I really like the last SP, you managed to get the lines down correctly (as far as i can tell ;) ). I also like the clean look that you achieved on it. One thing to look at is the contrast, try increasing it. It will help out a lot and wont take up much more time.
Anyways, good work! Keep this up (Do i need to say that? ;) ).

antihero

[jester]

Hi endregan, good progress.

You could improve the portrait you did by

* shading the upper lip of the guy
* shading the space between the eyes and the brow
* shading the small area below the nose

Just look at a few photos to see what I mean.

Also:
* either use visible parallel strokes (no back and forward ones like you did) or by shading in a way that not strokes are visible at all

Hope this helps.

Jester

[behemot5]

continu to work like this ...i see you really improve with your last pics...Draw what you see...silouhette first...plans of shades secondly then details

[Jeff Gran]

huge improvement on your latest SP. It looks a lot more structured than your earlier ones. The one place it falls apart is the lips, I think. Kinda like they were just stuck on. Keep working on it and try to make each line "feel" like the one you see, if you know what I mean.

[MindCandyMan]

That last self portrait shows that you are seeing much more clearly now...keep pushing yourself. The eyes are at an uneven plane and the nose is a bit too long it looks like. This one is definitely your best one yet by far...keep it up.

[endregan]

anti!! thanks for stopping by. i didnt focus on shading that SP but next pencil work i will try!!!

jester: that guys face was me!!! :) I am still figuring out, my head is tricky !! :P ill keep at it - pencil gives me more control!

behemot- will do, i love planes... :)

jeff- i agree. the lips throw me off a lot- i have to study mine more. my lips are large and my eyes are smaller than normal peoples, but it still balances out somehow :)

mcm- thanks brother i will look into it. you got me obsessed with bargue. hence the update!

bargue- you dont know how hard this really is! check out the thread http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=123563#post123563

my attempt. not sure how to get dark values with the 2H perhaps i use a B pencil?

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov15/barguefinalsmall.jpg

A still life from those painting classes Ive been taking!
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov15/still.jpg

[endregan]

Final Bargue
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov16/bargue2.jpg

Marker SP- simple shapes, breaking it down. marker helps because you cant be too loose and it is big, helps give you the shapes. interesting exercise!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov16/spnov16.jpg

[antihero]

Whooo!

Nice Bargue Drawing, though i think it is not finished yet... I would definitely try to get in some darker values, as seen in your reference. But anyway this is a good start man!
Your Still Life rocks as well... go ahead!

antihero

[roger]

Yeah, nice stuff, keep pushing it and you'll keep improving :). I'd use a B pencil for darker areas on the bargue too, I don't think you can get darker than what you already have with the 2H.

[endregan]

yes ive been noticing slight changes i have to do on the bargue and am doing them. it will take a while, but ill try my best.

i am busy with my next studio painting which is larger than last ones.. so it will take me a while! ill try and post a few things.

heres a quick painting of a head in OC

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov20/headupload.jpg

[xia]

I like the Barge study that you did. You are definitely growing. Keep it up! :chug:

As for the head/face study, I would recommend this:

http://www.beautyanalysis.com/mba_facevariationsbysex_page.htm

[endregan]

thanks xia

hehe xia it wasnt a study it was a quickie to test values. didnt use ref, but i definitly need to work on my face skills which i am currently doing

[endregan]

Hey guys been a while.

Been busy with my studio project and as such, have been offline more than usual. School, my parttime job, and art :). Hopefully one day my job will be art :P.

Here are some sketches. I warn you most if not all of these are not studies, just quick from my imagination. Im slowly working my way down the body. Heads are hard enough Ive learnt. Still going at it though!

Here we go, a couple for now

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov23/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov23/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov23/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov23/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov23/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov23/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov23/scan7.jpg

[endregan]

Hey its been a while!!

couple weeks later and ive got a couple hundred more sketches, or close and a painting.

cant show you all of it though!

Something that opened my eyes - drawing from life helps so much. draw people in class and all around you. its starting to help me understand form. i care now less about details and even though i want to render something right away, the more patience you can render all you want when your linework is solid i figure.



http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/scan1.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/scan2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/scan3.jpg

Got a larger sketchpad, helps for selfportaits. From December 1-3 (present)
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/sp1.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/sp2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/sp3.jpg

a small indian oil piece i did


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/indianoil.jpg

Third Studio Piece (may or may not have work to do.. :))
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/studio3.jpg
Done from a sketh off of art renewal. It was hard. Ill try and find the ref if you want.

Anyhow just wanted to update and Christmas is near! Non-sequitor but hey, its about the art!

[thomasaurus]

Its been great watching your progress Endregan. Your quality of line and tone is improving, and your self-portraits are doing great.

Keep it up :chug:

[endregan]

hey thanks jnorish. im trying to keep up the sketching as much as possible

what happened to your thread :) more sketches from jnorish delivery :)

[MindCandyMan]

I can really see an improvement in this latest batch of work...keep it up man. I know that pic from art renewal...crazy good painting hehe. Keep it up!

[thomasaurus]

A hectic life and busy work schedule has keep me from updating, but dont worry more than enough pages are ready to scan!

Btw, check the thunderdome challenge thread for a treat :evilbat:

[siskol p]

hey man its definatly great thing to see such a huge jump in technique in only 6 pages of post..

if you want to pick up a GREAT way to figure out proportions i highly suggest a book called "lessons from michealangelo" my drawing teacher my first year of college (who i consider to be a master) swears by that book and taught us using those methods and it totally changed the way i drew, and still draw to this day...

[endregan]

thanks mcm! good to seeya around. been real busy lately eh. i like being busy though, keeps us on our toes.

jnorish: i accept :) it should be interesting!!

siskol p: Hey thanks! there are many sketches and things that are not shown as it would take me years to scan it all, but its basically everything ive been through, and it shows the process. Im slowly getting there day by day!

i searched for that book, i found these

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486238768/ref=pd_sim_books_4/104-5201995-0712742?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0823002225/104-5201995-0712742?v=glance

is that what youre talking about? couldnt find much else.

Thanks for the tip!

[Jeff Gran]

Endregan, I dig what you said about getting good linework, and if you have that, the rendering is more just like coloring... I've been thinking similar thoughts. Although, if you want to take it a step further, the *gesture* is really the entire drawing in my opinion. Sometimes (like earlier tonight) I just draw a few curvy lines, marking where things will go, and to someone else it probably doesn't look like much but I look down at it, and think "it's done, all I have to do is put the lines in now". You should check out the vilppu drawing manual for awesome explanation of gesture.

[endregan]

Jeff- I know what you mean. One line in a certain way will make the inside and negative shape, creating something simple yet you know exactly where it goes from there or how the form plays. its great

i like ref pics, but drawing from life is much better, its not flattened and you begin to see.

so many books to check out. it would help if I had some links, I cant find any of these! :)

[Jeff Gran]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1892053039/qid=1070691978/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2876942-3605613?v=glance&s=books


it's hard to find these days, but this is the book.

[endregan]

Thanks Jeff. Yeah that is a bit pricey. I think I should stop spending so much money on books and just draw all the time, as long as im determined.

Perhaps when I have the luxury :)

anyhow some sps... :)


Here are my latest 4, so far ive done one a day for december.7 down, 24 to go for December. Trying my best, one day at a time ;)

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec7/dec4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec7/dec5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec7/dec6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec7/dec7.jpg

[deschamps]

Hey the thick bold marker SP is great. Keep doing those. Teaches you to keep it simple. Nice job!
-Eric

[MindCandyMan]

much progress goin on endregan!!!!! Keep up the momentum man!

[buffaloe]

wow... I haven't been around in a while, and you are making huge improvements! Your lines are becoming much cleaner... like you're more sure of where to place them. The bargue drawing is beautiful! But I would agree with the suggestions to add more value. Actually, that would probably be a good idea for alot of your pencil sketches.. just to push them a little further, and give them more depth. Looking great, endregan!

[endregan]

thanks everybody!

mcm: thanks man, perhaps i will gain the patience like you one day

cire: thanks, it was fun and quick, no real room for details... i kinda liked that :). i should really do more.

buffaloe: thanks a lot dude! patience and practice is key. youre doing well yourself. as you mentioned my values tend to be a bit midtoned in sketches.

thats a problem i have and must work on, lightest lights and darkest darks!

thanks again for the comments, helps me grow!

Here are my latest sp's. a couple free sketches to show you what im up to, and a little painting i did. My painting classes are over, i learnt a lot and really enjoyed them.

Ill post my first still life and my last one to show you guys how much progress can be done in 8 weeks!



http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/dec8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/dec9.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/dec10.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/dec11.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/dec12.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/dec13.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/dec14.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/scan4.jpg

thats it for now. ill be doing a lesson from middle class and post that soon perhaps.

Been so busy, and holidays are coming up. i cant wait!!

[deschamps]

hey endregan... the next time you do a SP try not to draw your hair as lines. Instead look at the highlight areas and shadows of your hair AS A WHOLE and draw those shapes. Break it down into large shapes. Its great to see you putting in so much effort! Keep it up!
-Eric

[endregan]

hey your right.

ill try that. must of forgot. must get rid of these bad habits.

thanks so much that will help me out

thanks cire...

dont be hesitant to bash me on things i need to do guys, thats what i need to keep moving on !

thanks again guys!

[endregan]

Orc sketch i just did

http://visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec15/ORC.jpg

painter 8 is fun

[chudzta]

yeah you have very bad habitual preconcepts of facial features. Study value nice and hard. and ur top lip always bothers me.. i bet u good money its not as puffy as the bottom. but its possible. study carefully and that dilligence will show. portrait-artist.org helped me reiterate old things teachers have said in past too. keep goin - chudds

[endregan]

thanks for pointing it out. ill have to study and restudy again.

ive been frustrated and not known why, wasnt improving too much. will work hard on facial features and proportions before i jump into anything else!



have to keep at it though. these reminders give me something to work on, i thank you again

[Signature]

I guess you know the proportions pretty well when you see a front view of the face.
The front views look better than the others.

If I were you I'd draw some faces from reference but simplify ...
by recunstructing them rather than just drawing what you see.
At least that is what I think. You construct the front views because you know the proportions.
Viewed from a different angle you don't even try. You just copy.
Or not?

Studies like that should also help when you try to come up with a lighting situation.
Try to understand where the light sources are in the reference image ...
and then again: reconstruct the lighting rather than just copying the photo.

[endregan]

yeah sig: heads werent from ref, only my sps.

i draw from life at school, people walking around.

i have to learn the basics and apply them to people so i can not draw what i think i see but what is there.

so much to learn :)

Oh and lately ive been having trouble when I try to draw sps head on, one side is slanted and looks odd and tilted, after i put the picture in the mirror to see mistakes.

any tips on this or am i just silly :)

[chudzta]

Yeah one way is u can occasionally do imaginary vertical and horizontal lines across or up and down the paper. check turns and curves in the features of the jaw.. nose.. hair line. outer hair line.. etc. I see some faults doing so in previous sp's now that u mention the one sided crookedness. nice that u mirror for check. good habits. lets make the bad ones good as well. go sketch another up.. try angles to tho. they much cooler... - piece - good luck - chudds

[obid619]

just...take your time...or classes...or whatever...

[endregan]

yeah chuds, i dont use lines as much as i should, especially for the sps. Im working on it now!



obid: that was odd advice, i already am taking my time. have all the time in the world my friend

[endregan]

Next SPS and Middle Class Assignment.

Eye opener this week... Id like to thank you guys. Keep pushing me, your guidance and inspiration pushes me every day. I thank you again

Been studying some loomis. Ill post some studies later. CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS COMING UP!! Will hope to do tons of studies and will be doing my next studio piece thats 64 by 40 inches!!!

:)


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec18/dec15.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec18/dec16.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec18/dec17.jpg

Middle Class:
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec18/dec18.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec18/scan1.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec18/scan2.jpg

[deschamps]

Yeah man. I can see an improvement in those bottom 3 self portraits!!!

[chudzta]

better.. the third one there looks neato.. im guessing its more accurate or much less than ur actual self. can u post a pic of yourself for judgement? id really think it would help us critique.. piece - chudds

[endregan]

thanks cire: Always a pleasure to hear from ya

Chuds: yeah the very last one i posted is actually most accurate. reading shapes and relying less on line helped. form over line-was confusing myself

thanks guys

[sic1]

Hey endregan, much improvement in that third self-portrait!

In the still life of the shapes, keep an eye out for the core shadow and reflected light -- especially on the round forms. This will help emphasize the rounded look.

You're making great progress, I'm gonna have to draw more to keep up with you :)

[MindCandyMan]

Don't you dare stop now...you are starting to understand things and you are progressing much much more quickly now...you are pushing through it keep it up. Let's make a deal...when you finish at John Michael Angel Studios (if you are good enough...of course you'll be ;) ) you come down to Texas and start an atelier with me...whaddya think?

[-The Swift-]

i've just looked through your sketchbook and i can see that you've made some real improvement! i really like your style, especially with pencil. keep it up. this is great work!:D

[Sketch]

You're comming along. Good work. Try pushing your values a lot more. Make the blacks blacker and the whites whiter.:D

[prawda]

i really like this one:

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov16/spnov16.jpg

dont stop...

[darkeon]

Take a look on this site, for great sketchbook!
alan tew the great (http://www.beeba.net/)

[endregan]

sic1- thanks. ive been trying so much to hatch that i am not making it look 3d!

MCM: Thanks man. Of course bro, that sounds like a great plan! Well see how things go, you know I would love to. Im planning on going to ocad or sheridan for at least a year before...then well see. MJAS is Definitly an awesome place... :). One question, why texas? :P
Peace!

swift- why thank you. checked out your sketchbook and i like your style as well


sketch- probably my biggest problem right now, but i am trying....I HAVE TO GET DARKER!!!

prawda - thanks man

darkeon- cool site. looks like he hasnt updated in a while though. crisp lines ! yummy

Well here we go again. Latest sps, discovered I CAN draw the human body, I just have to keep drawing and drawing.

Female anatomy is just like a mans except they have breasts and have hips, oh and they are much more adorable ;) haha

I really have to push my value though...


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec22/dec19.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec22/dec20.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec22/dec21.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec22/dec22.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec22/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec22/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec22/scan3.jpg

Might not seeya guys till after Christmas. Best wishes

[endregan]

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec25/dec23.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec25/dec24.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec25/dec25.jpg

[endregan]

well ive been fortunate enough to draw and paint more. going to miss that, but doesnt mean i cant draw in class hahah

Some sps, one in gouache this time! gouache is fun to play with. smells weird

can anyone tell me if its toxic haha

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec29/dec26.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec29/dec27.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec29/dec28.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec29/dec29.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec29/scan1.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec29/scan2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec29/scan3.jpg

[MindCandyMan]

Keep up the progress man...keep riding it...go go go...don't let up now push harder!

[-The Swift-]

nice work, those self portraits just keep getting better!!!!!!!!!

[spork891]

Damn, excellent work ethic!

[xia]

:chug: Keep it up buddy!!! Great job.

[endregan]

new year. happy new years everyone

mcm: yes sir!

swift- thanks!

spork- well i guess so. nobodys perfect though. thanks

xia- will do

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan2/dec30.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan2/dec31.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan2/jan1.jpg

Wow screwed up on this bad. Dont laugh :)
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan2/jan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan2/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan2/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan2/scan3.jpg

[spork891]

Really try and push that contrast, let the paper know who's boss and really bare down on it with the pencil where you know there are dark shadows!

[MindCandyMan]

Ok endregan here is what you should do next. Don't do a lot of self portraits this next update. Do one and make it look exactly as you see yourself in the mirror. Spend a long time on it...at least 5 hours...this will be very frustrating but you need to do it. Ask yourself questions like...are my eyes really that far apart...do my lips really look like that? Are my eyes really almond shaped like that or do they have a bit different curve to them? Do another bargue drawing as well hehe.

[-The Swift-]

ditto to mindcandyman. good shading on the pencil ones though!

[endregan]

spork- haha thanks man will try that

mcm- thanks i would be lost without guidance :). i worked much longer on todays sp (last one posted just now) and i can see that with time I will see it. originally i had the eyes too high and it threw it totally off but working with it over a longer period of time allows me to realise. thanks again man..

swift- thank you!

i am starting to be able to draw the full figure and i am doing studies from life (drawing myself with shirt off in a mirror) for reference. its great, you should try it if u cant get life drawing ;). has its drawbacks though...


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan4/jan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan4/jan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan4/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan4/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/jan4/scan3.jpg

i am still working on a studio project... so bare with me :). it will be worth the wait!~

next large project will be the t-dome, and of course another large piece. last one for the school semester.

thanks for checking in guys, your feedback helping me grow.

[xia]

Nice job on the face there!!! Now you are getting it down. Keep it up!:chug:

[Iiori]

Great faces, you keep improving there and in lots of areas. Im so happy to see that. :D

I don't have any crits that haven't been said before, I just hope you keep up this steady improvment. ^^

[spork891]

I also notice improvement, good work! Esp. with proportion.

[jester]

:) Persistance pays. I haven't been here for a while and I'm impressed by your improvement, endregan. Keep pushing, you're getting there!

Jester

[golgari]

your line quality improved pretty much, which is good :)
when i'm looking at your self portraits i get the impression that you partly still draw to symbol-loaden, instead of drawing what you really see before you. look at your mouth, for example. have you read "drawing on the right side of the brain"?

[endregan]

I wont be doing a lot of those quick sketches and such, even though I like them. I kind of reach a level and stay there...

I think its time to start quantity and not quality..

Ill be doing long self portraits, not half hour or hour ones. ANd yes, that means not one everyday. but why should i do one everday if im not understanding it? one in 2 weeks that actually looks like me will make me learn so much...THANKS MCM!

Ill be doing life studies, still lifes, sketching my hand and practising value. i will be beginning a bargue soon as well. i have observed this with my own work, and longer studies help much more than 1000 other studies!

Free sketches will be done only for a break. :) Cant leave my naked people behind!

Thanks for stopping by guys. Really busy... near exam time :)




xia- thanks dude.

mlessard - thanks i will study tone more in depth.

iiori- thanks!

spork- ;) proportion is hard

jester- thanks i will keep trying harder

golgari- hey thanks buddy. i just pickedup a copy. we have one in my art class, and i borrowed it. That book is awesome...showing me things I havent realised yet.

I will post updates later but school comes over this unfortunately. working hard to finish another huge painting...ill try and get a pic of the last and post it up.

[endregan]

Just when you thought I died!

I am currently working on my portfolio atm, most other work is on hold.

I am working on my thunderdome piece, sorry no previews it will be a suprise finished piece for once perhaps :).

The following images are what I have worked on during the past weeks. Not all of these necessarily will be included in my portfolio, even though it is creeping closer. I have a presentation at Ocad in 2 weeks and I will be mailing mine in to Sheridan shortly too.

I am looking for some critiques, where I can learn what I should do next time perhaps, or some small things I may be able to change. It is much too late to redo many things, so please take that to heart, don't bash too much!

So this is where I've been! Hope to post more soon. Look out for the T-dome piece :).

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan1.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan3.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan4.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan5.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan6.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan7.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan8.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan9.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan10.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan11.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan12.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan13.jpg

I still have a few things yet to do, and am still working on the sketchbook aspect of the portfolio, many things to choose from :).

Seeya

[thomasaurus]

looking good, the still lifes on the bottom are a mucho improvement.

Well, hope you do well on your presentations and interviews, and I can't wait to see what I'm up against t-dome wise. After all this is over have a :beer: for me

[endregan]

Thanks J I cant wait either!

[-The Swift-]

great!!!!!!!! improvement, sketches are really good, landscape, SP shading all good. the objects are really cool too!
good luck for thunderdome!:)

[endregan]

Thanks swift

I am near finished for thunderdome. I might just make it, we'll see!

[MindCandyMan]

much improvement!!! keep it up bro!

[endregan]

Thanks jon! :)

THUNDA DOME!!!!
http://www.visiblesurface.com/tdomefinald.jpg

[endregan]

Heres a larger version of my thunder dome entry and my 4th and 5th studio piece from last semesters portfolio class.

Portfolio Presentation is on Tuesday at Ocad!

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb12/tdomefull.jpg

These are fairly large
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb12/studio4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb12/studio5.jpg

[Fipse]

Good luck for your presentation! Hope you get into it, you´ve shown muh improvement in the last time.

Fipse

[endregan]

Thanks Fipse.

We'll see how it goes!

I'm already. Mailing my sheridan portfolio and have a presentation at Ocad tomorrow morning.

Wish me luck!

[endregan]

Ocad was great. I had some time to sketch there while I was waiting but havent scanned it yet.

The interview went well, I talked with two of the instructors about my portfolio and now the rest is up to the letter of acceptance, we will see! Should be okay.

Just thought I would update you, im excited

[MindCandyMan]

sounds good keep us updated bro

[endregan]

Heres the portfolio!

Some images are repeats, but it is neat to see them all together.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/scan4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/scan5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/scan6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/scan11.jpg

Gesture drawings
http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life6.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life7.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life8.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/ocadport/life9.jpg

[endregan]

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/nov12/studio2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/dec3/studio3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/port2004/scan13.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb12/tdomefull.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb12/studio5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb12/studio4.jpg

Brought this one in person. boy was it heavy. i think it was worth it though.

I hope it went well, now I wait till they phone or mail.

Exciting eh?

[-The Swift-]

Good luck endregan! i'm sure it'll be cool, your progress in this thread is insane so i'm sure they'll see reason and consider the improvement you couls make in their caplable hands!

thunderdome is good, especially like the work on the arms. you've got some really good work here!

good luck, and keep it up!:)

[endregan]

Thanks swift :). Hope they get in touch soon haha.

I haven't been around to scanning all my sketches in. it is enough to keep up school, work and art, but i will try and scan more :).

Here are a couple

http://visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb23/hands.jpg
hands

http://visiblesurface.com/sketches/feb23/ocad.jpg
This was the girl in front of me for the portfolio interviews. It was a large room and we each had our own table, and two faculty members viewed and talked with us individually. It was interesting, I enjoyed it. You know me, I snuck in drawing people even in my portfolio day :).

Says Ocad interview not dead interview :P haha.

I miss SPS, but one thing at a time :).

[deschamps]

Keep it up endregan....I love how you never seem to slow down!

[endregan]

thanks cire :)

i try not to slow down. obstacles must be overcome ;)

im looking for a life drawing class in my area. I really think it will help me out with the figure

[steak-tron]

nice still-lifes endregan. And that thunder-dome entry is a goodn' too. keep it up.

[endregan]

Thanks steak ! :)

I work a longgg time on that tdome ! It was fun. Probably my best digital piece so far, more in the future.


life drawing is hard to find around here. a lot far away. the drive would be worth it though. too bad i never got my license...that reminds me i should :) haha.

I love doing self portraits. i got frustrated and tried too quickly on like five of these.... This one i did I had more fun doing it, took more time. It may be slightly off and a bit on the grey side, but i like it.

Will be doing them more often
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb26/feb26.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb26/apple.jpg

apples. i eat at least 5 a day usually. they are great to draw and eat :D.

[antihero]

Hey endregan!

Can't think of what i would miss without checking back this thread from time to time.
You're doing great. I especially dig your paintings, just compare the thunderdome6 & 7 entries. Man, there are worlds between!

Best advice i can give is: "draw alot". And maybe do some more anatomy studies about the whole figure and the single parts of the body working together.
Go ahead!


antihero

[xia]

Hey Kid! What's up? :D :D :D
I've been slacking...u are getting so much better from the last time I saw u. Kudo to u Endregan!:chug:

[endregan]

xia- thanks buddy. i have much to learn from you!!


Been doing a lot of SPS>... i missed them :). I know i know... too grey. i dont want to push too hard or something haha. maybe ill use 7b.
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/feb27.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/feb28.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/feb29.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/scan2.jpg
my friend ian yang. he was a good model and liked the sketch. i should do it more often! fun
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/scan4.jpg
just randoms

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/feb29/scan5.jpg

stalking my brother with the pencil haha. he doesnt know when i draw him. he plays on computer and i draw him.

[bhuddistmonk]

hey man, your stuff is really improving. One of the hardest habits to break is to stop drawing what you think something should look like, and draw what it really is. Good luck, keep it up!

[-The Swift-]

great self portraits endregan, these are the best i've so from you! keep it up, you're doing real good
:)

[endregan]

Been struggling with sps, but i am now starting to see areas I needed to work on. Latest sp shows that I think. It is much more accurate.


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar5/mar1-1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar5/mar1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar5/mar2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar5/mar4.jpg

some life at school, casual drawing people at lunch :

Life is where its at ;)
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar5/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar5/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar5/scan3.jpg

swift- thanks :)

monk- thanks again. it is hard to see what is really there. must train my eye more, but im slowly getting there!
seeya

[endregan]

its our march break next week, so i will be drawing more than ever!

currently ive been drawing a lot from life.

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/l1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/l2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/l3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/l4.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/l5.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/scan1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/scan2.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/scan3.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/scan4.jpg

I am also doing a sargent bargue, so I will post a pic of my progress soon.

During the march break I plan to spend a long time on one self portrait, and see how that works.

still searching for the best possible life drawing alternative.

There is one that is 4 nights, 12 hours that is close by for $48, and one further away for 8 weeks (8 nights)for $360 dollars.

I need an opinon, should I take the shorter one or longer one, what would I benefit more from, is it worth the amount of money and long drive?

I thought maybe after the 4 week one I could find an open life drawing course and practice.

Feedback is appreciated!

[endregan]

experimenting with oils. too used to acrylics so my oils arent the best. oils are great though, so fun to work with. especially with all the harmful chemicals and cancerous paints ;).

gotta get some gloves or something.. :)
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/oil.jpg

The bargue:

camera distorts a bit, but you can get the jist of it. Few more days and it will be done eh?
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/bargue2.jpg


http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar12/bargue1.jpg

[AnarchyAo2]

I was looking through all your sketches, and I kept saying to myself "Ugh...I'm tired of seeing this, its all sloppy and boring." (No offense, but I'm being completely honest), then I saw the last picture! Its amazing! I really like it ALOT, it shows very good control and skill. I'd really like to see more work like that with such good craftsmanship.

[endregan]

hey anarchy thanks for the honesty.

i am still barely understanding drawing, i have barely begun my journey. I will have been at it seriously for a year this summer, so I don't expect too much interest compared to the legendary artists around here! I am learning as I go, with the help of this community and every person that inspires me to keep at it.

A lot of my imagintive sketches are more sloppy compared to my studies, like the bargue, because i dont have the greatest handle on the human figure. Still trying though, without learning to draw from your imagination, when the time comes there may be no creativity. Maybe not, never been there yet.

I think you are correct though, the longer studies are worth much more than 1000 okay drawings. I think I will take my time more often, but the gestural sketches can be a bit loose, need a balance, right ? :)

Seeya!

[TARGETE]

That last drawing is very well done, was it from a painting or master drawing. If you do about 1 every week or more it will elevate your skills that much I also need that practice as well. Anatomy books are good as well, because they breakdown the human form for the artist.


JP

[endregan]

Thanks man. ALways good to have some advice from the pros. You guys are so good, it is a crime not to take your advice.

It is a bargue, sort of a masters copy from a drawing I got printed out on 12 by 18. I am still working on it! It takes a while to train my eye, but I am getting there :).

GUESS WHAT! I AM IN THE LIFE DRAWING COURSE! 10 classes! YESS. Going to put a hole in my wallet but its worth it haha!

[::EPIC::]

keep us up to date on how it goes!

[endregan]

Thanks Epic.

The classes start in april, so I have some time to wait, but in the mean time I will work on this bargue! :

Did a LOT of work on it, but still have a LOT to do haha :)
http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar16/bargue1.jpg

http://www.visiblesurface.com/sketches/2004/mar16/bargue2.jpg

working on a sp as well right now, but i am in no hurry. it is so hard to do, but I will keep trying