enviroment in Marker

[gasmask]

Just something i had to do for later use in modeling that concept and texturing it, im no feng but im learninghttp://images.deviantart.com/large/indyart/photo/654.jpg

[gasmask]

No responses?

[TOPO]

Perspective is bad, thats easy if you get some practice, with a ruler and a pen you surely could do a better perspective in a "cubic and straight" street.
The markers are poorly used, I really can see only 3 or 4 drop shadows, the rest is just grey grey and more grey...

Keep on it, keep working to grow better.

[gasmask]

Can i get some crits from some actual artists and not lame watchers that couldnt draw a strait line with a ruler?

[hyphen]

well, while he could have worded it a bit...nicer, he's right. the perspective is off, you have to make sure you have your vanishing points set properly on the horizon line. the concept itself is good, you just need to work on your aethetics.

when you're working with french grey markers like that, though, you needn't worry TOO much about drop shadows. but it all depends, are you trying to set a specific mood? want to make things more dramatic? then use chiaroscuro. if it's just a set, then don't worry about it too much, flat lighting is all you need and you can add shadows later.

[gasmask]

Yeah, i figured id do french just because i usually always work in warms and cools but its mainly a quik sketch to get the idea of what ill be modelling...i should have used some strait edge as i did it all freehand.

[TOPO]

Don't be upset, but if you plot a drawing like this you must first of all determine some vanishing points to make a real perspective (except if you are trying to get a strange "Dr Caligari's Cabinet" effect)
Let's take for example the second house to the left, the floor line and the roof line are pointing more or less to the same vanishing point, but the first floor doesn't fit on that point of view at all; if you extend imaginary lines from the roof, the basement, and the first floor that lines doesn't cross the same vanishing point.
And take the backalley of that building... the vanishing point of the alley wall is just weird in the rest of the drawing.
The size of doors and windows makes no sense except if one house is a giant's one and other is a hobbit one... you know.

And the use of markers is not good (i'm not good on it too) but you have to force more shadows, not just mark it all in grey, and try to upgrade the current use of it... for example, the shadows of the wood and stones in the house on the right side makes me think that the wood is floatin over the wall with some stones behind it... a weird feeling looking at it.

Can i get some crits from some actual artists and not lame watchers that couldnt draw a strait line with a ruler?

And please, don't be so rough, maybe I'm just a frustrated artist but I'm sure I'M NOT A LAME WATCHER THAT COULDN'T DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE WITH A RULER, I promise I could draw it! :eek: . Thanks.

I'm not english nor american, so sorry about my hard way of writing and not really clear sentences.

If you want to see some of my works (the B&W are quite old) just go here: http://www.toposolitario.com/topografia

[gasmask]

My bad, i assumed you werent an artist, because in some other thread you said you werent an artist so when u relpied the first time all you did was give negative feedback with no real tips but now you did so thanks!

[TOPO]

Originally posted by gasmask
My bad, i assumed you werent an artist, because in some other thread you said you werent an artist so when u relpied the first time all you did was give negative feedback with no real tips but now you did so thanks!

Well, in fact "I'm not an artist", I work in front of a computer from nine to nine!, and I only get paid two times for my drawings, 30$ for the nosferatu (http://www.toposolitario.com/topografia/dibujo009.jpg) and other vampire drawing for a T-SHirt and another 30$ for a paper model of a Aliens UD4LCheyenne spaceship I made...
Sad world is this.

Huh, nevermind. ;) Continue working and don't do like me, who almost droped drawing for years.

[DNA]

Well it's look kind a strange to me.

[Chromo48]

The perspective is off, most noticeably in the left row of buildings, there really isn't much value change to suggest depth, work on diminishing the buildings through value and color intensity, the nearer mountains blend in too much with the foreground, and I guess those lines up top are an even larger, farther mountain range, if so, stagger them more and use thinner lines to show their distance. I do like the texture on the buildings though. Not bad, some easily fixable problems. Keep drawing.

[MindCandyMan]

Originally posted by gasmask
Can i get some crits from some actual artists and not lame watchers that couldnt draw a strait line with a ruler?

So you reply to your own thread, bumping it back up to the top, asking why there are no responses and then when someone responds with a simple and respectful critique you blast him for it? TOPO was very gracious when he answered you but an attitude like that will get you no where...especially in the gaming world. Who cares if he was an artist or not...what he said was true. Why should he have to prove his ability just to say something about your sketch? Are my words worth nothing to you because I can't create an environment sketch better than this? If you can't take criticism from others and can't criticize your own work objectively then it will be really hard to improve.

[DragonGX]

I agree, dont be so harsh with people. It will only get yourself put down. Just because he didnt give you any tips to fix it, he still told you what was wrong with it.

Other than perspective issues, you need to use more contrast. darken the darks and lighten the lights. If you notice any good work of art, it wont be all midtones like your drawing. Even if it appears that way in real life (im not talking about your drawing, im jsut giving an example), an artist can always contrast the elements in the picture to give it a more dramatic appearance, which will in the end make for a more interesting and pleasing peice of art.

[gasmask]

Thanks man, thats awesome advice and i totally agree, thank you for telling me....i need to work more with that stuff.

[JoshuaTheJames]

lol

[McNallyism]

LOL!

[davi]

watch your additude little one.

From the perspective in this picture I've seen male hair dresses in san francisco that can draw straighter than you.

I'll be watching you. The next thread you make better be on respectful side or... you won't be making another thread after that.

[I.was.ink]

Look at davi go.
:)

[gasmask]

I wouldnt talk davi.........

[davi]

Oh really why is that?

I would like to hear your reply before banning you

[gasmask]

why would you ban me when im just trying to learn, sorry i offended u but dont talk down to me, i have seen u art and ur nothing special either, we are all learning davi, dont get all hard on me cause i went off on topo, honestly i was having a bad day and im not a mean guy, honestly so dont mis judge me....i know the problems with that piece and i should have put it in sketches but in the future please dont talk down to me, do you want to be disrespected because me an topo basically worked it out, sorry if i came off as a retard so just forgive me, i want to learn and thats why i am here.

[TOPO]

Originally posted by gasmask
dont get all hard on me cause i went off on topo, honestly i was having a bad day and im not a mean guy, honestly so dont mis judge me...

I had bad days too, and everything that I post in one of those days last in a flames war all over the forum, so don't worry about that, everyone has that kind of days.

About this post under other circumstances surely I could flame and start chilling around spitting devils from my pagan mouth... but, by the way, it's the all right for me.
I think the best is leave this thing as it is now and learn that in this (nice and gentle) forum everyone shold be less rough, forget this thread and continue drawing...

And remember:

"THE ENEMY IS THE MUSE " :D ;)

[darkcult]

This is not a flame war...

... it's more of a pillow fight ( :foundlove ).



he he he :chug:

[gasmask]

yeah topo you are right, its funny because negativity motivates me more but i apologize for being rude, i felt disrepected by your first post when i shouldnt have, and i know your observations were right, so i really am sorry, i really am a nice guy and a goofy one so i will keep drawing and i need to focus on stuff like perspective more because when i did that i was to excited about modeling it and i lost sight of the purpose of a concept so ill keep workin hard. thanks man.......ps. do u play airsoft topo? whats ur fav. AUG if u do?

[gasmask]

yeah a pillow fight.....lol imagine that with a bunch of artists

[davi]

take this as an very aggressive warning
you've insulted a member of the forum for helping you and you insted me AND my art which was completely uncalled for.

[TOPO]

Achtung! A really big OT in this post!!

do u play airsoft topo? whats ur fav. AUG if u do?

Yeah, everytime I can (that's only three months ago when I sarted with it). My fav is the SPAS12 (http://www.toposolitario.com/airsoft/DSCN0483.jpg) , nothing more funny than that. But usually use a G36C with light custom (http://www.toposolitario.com/airsoft/DSCN0481.jpg) and my brother uses my first weapon, an old and cheap XM177E2 from 3P (http://www.toposolitario.com/airsoft/DSCN0464.jpg). That's all.

About the pillow wars... If we start with that we'll finish... well... huh... you know... http://www.airsoftmadrid.com/foro/html/emoticons/smileysex.gif

[TOPO]

Originally posted by davi
take this as an very aggressive warning
you've insulted a member of the forum for helping you and you insted me AND my art which was completely uncalled for.

Anyway thats true... so I leave this thread, nothing more to do/say here. :o

[DNA]

Take it easy ppl.:p We are all posting our works.Bad works, good works.Somebody studing draw ,somebody got a talent.Anyway what i am tring to say that we all show our best.And if we have got some disagreements ,just forget about it. ;)

[JoshuaTheJames]

ok ok this is how is went...

:Joshua: "Mr. Mcnallyism uh... I'm not sure we should post something like that..."

:Mr. McNallyism: "Shut UP fool or uma CAP you SUCkah!"

:Joshua: "ahh ...jeez..I ..I don't know Mister.."

:Mr. McNallyism: "I SWEAR TA GOD FOOL.."

:Joshua: "Uh uh.. wha what has California aand Blur do to yo you ..you sound soo much more urban"

:Mr. McNallyism: "BAM BAM BAM" (those are gun shots btw)

and then he posted under my name...

and thats how this whooole thing started...

-Joshua

[JoshuaTheJames]

hmm.... I guess you had to be there...






-Joshua

[cycrincy]

hey dont talk to davi like that he is better than u ,were just tryin to help........i dont mean to sound like im siding with anyone :(

[gasmask]

Holy shit, enough with this thread and how would u know if he is better and how do u define that? u have only seen a fraction of my work so kiss my ass. enough with this thread

[daku]

After reading this hilarious thread I would like to say that sometimes even no response is a great critique. It can mean that your work is uninspiring and has several problems. That might not help you understand what the problems are, but in my opinion it is a nice way to judge how well your art stands up. TOPO's critique was spot on and no frills. Sounded like a great critique, and even reading the tone can yield useful information to judge how well done your work is. Everything someone says about your work is a critique that you should use objectively even if it is rude. I am sure that if you are purely looking for a technical critique and request that in your post someone will help you out.

[JecaTatu]

ah yes, valid point there that daku makes. I think that conceptart.org has become such a very large community that we have a situation much like an art director looking at portfolios, or the HR people at pixar. in that situation, you have about 10 seconds to impress them and then they move on to the next submission. personally, i don't spend too much time looking through this forum, except when i'm procrastinating on a project or staying up far past my bedtime, despite my body's frail crys for sleep and food. there are times when i want to see some cool stuff so i check my favorite posters, android's SPOTD, and tear through some other threads, not reading anything, just looking at images for about 10 to 15 seconds (hurray for broadband). Therefore, when i run into stuff that doesn't poke me right away, i just speed on through... hell, most of the time even the stuff that i really like i don't stop to comment about. ah yes... there you have it, comments are relatively rare, so treasure them all, especially the critiques... after all, isn't that why we're here?

[gasmask]

Yeah daku, ur right about it all, i knew topo was right but it wasnt constructive for me, he pointed out the errors which is good but thats it, i dun know i mean thats good enough i suppose but i was hoping to get more info that could "help" me other than point out the obvious

[daku]

gasmask no worries.

For a crit I would recommend that absolutely the first thing you should address is the 'obvious' perspective issues. That is the first step to help build your foundation for your piece. This has been stated already I know, but I thought I would stress it again as its the most important one. TOPO also made not of the similar values of grey. I agree, you should push your darks more and build some more contrast. I think you will be pleased with the results of trying that out.

Also you made mention of modelling this out, something that can help you with your perspective 2D studies is to place some boxes and shapes in your 3D scene and study the perspective. There are some very good rules to follow when doing perspective in 2D as well that you should research if you haven't already.

[gasmask]

Yes daku thanks so much, it means alot for u to take the time to help me out like that and perspective has always been my biggest weakness, i can do perspective good if i set it up using T squares and rulers and a board and all that but its like im trying to get good at it freehand and its just a long process for me but i cant hide from it forever so thats why i have been tackling enviroments lately because mistakes in them are easily noticable....also ur right, i have a bad habit of being scared to push my values, and i do love the results, i pushed them in another piece i did before and it looked alot better, i need not to forget to do that. thanks again man, ill keep u updated, im gonna work on it

[Killer Napkins]

hey davi.. hopw come i was banned??.. ive been banned like 3 or 4 times.. i do nothin worng i dont think.. i dunno i have 3 refferals i dont know why.. its crazy.. oh well .. just thought i d have my chance to talk to davi for once ha

[3bleadpencil]

Personally I think you're restraining yourself......I think you can be even crazier than that.......dont' treat your paper and markers as precious materials......it's hard to learn that way......you have to break into your medium and materials......treat it like your bitch(pardon me)......make your markers work for you.............believe me....I was like that once....now I just don't care anymore.....I realize the idea has to really come through . Don't let your ideas suffer just to keep your sketch book prestine looking.....dirty up the page.......

just a suggestion....or I could be crazy....hahahah
regards + Keep it up
3B

[Jeff Gran]

lol

[mcotie]

...and so are the days of our lives. (cheezy music).

[softdrawer]

try learning the perspective 1st man... ;)

[3bleadpencil]

yeah...that's was pretty funny now that I read it again.....my bad!...hahaha
Hope you didn't take that too seriously!

[gasmask]

Naw thats good, thanks you guys, seriously.,

[MindCandyMan]

Originally posted by mcotie
...and so are the days of our lives. (cheezy music).

Hilarious hahah...