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MEITTI
March 16th, 2007, 06:52 AM
Hallo everyone! Been lurker here for lessee...couple of months here now. This is quite intimidating place for newcomers with all the bundles of rules and hardcore art after all (not that those things are bad. Just bit scary at first), but i noticed how losing the art contests over and over again made me just want to draw more, so, no matter if id get completely hammered down in here, at least it would provide more inspiration and help me want to learn something new. :)


So, im doing this project called "Neuronox graphic design"-thingy over the graphic designer school im at. Im not sure what you call these 5 week projects which show the teachers that youve learnt something in english.
I decided to do a bit amateurish project i admit, but im going to design the cd-covers, possible internet-site, and overall looks, logos and trademarks around electronical music cd of my friend. Main idea for the whole project is to depict some scifi-images of the technologic city beneath the sea. And some of its inhabitants doing whatever theyre doing.

But away with the blahblah and onto the art:


Heres the "logo" or "trademark" design, not sure which is which in english language, here the trademark means the picture, the logo means the text. It also features in front of the new discs cd-cover. Id call the creature "Deep Horse", but if youd have any other cool suggestions for naming female humanoidseahorsecyborg, go ahead and tell me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/MEITTI/trademark.jpg


Heres some practising of "Frank Millerish" and "Mignolaish" style of using black and white for light-shadow effects. Had to do a lot of compromissions on cloth shading, so any advice or ideas how to do it more easier and better would be appreciated. Creature is called "Oxypus", humanoid octopus/squid with hunger for oxygen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/MEITTI/mustekala.jpg



And the last of the images which actually went further than to just sketching. Its actually the back-cover of the cd case. If youre wondering where the songlistings are, im going to make them with Adobe Indesign later on. If you want to see the final result, just ask. i was very close for banging my head to the screen with the white colors on this one, for Photoshop makes them grainy for god knows why. Im dumbass with computers, and what i know from Photoshop is mostly from the cool tutorial on neondragonart, if youve ever checked those out, very good for dumbasses. Once again, any advice or feedback, negative or positive would be much appreciated.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/MEITTI/telineet.jpg

One thing id all like you to answer for is this though: Bubbles. Not sure how to make them. After my friend refered those "colorless" bubbles as Photoshop bubbles, i wanted to change them. the 3rd picture has the new versions, which are either all white, or all black, with the familiar "shine-effect" which makes bubbles look bubbles, no matter the lighting is very wrong in them.
Question is, what would be the best kind of bubble for black-white Miller and Mignolainspired kind of coloring?

Also, do your usual thing. You know, rip the piece apart etc. Any helpful improvements are the most appreciated though. I still got those things as easilyeditable PDFs on my working machine, so if theres any minor to bit more major change, i can do it. And if theres major flaws all over the place, quickly back to the drawing table, only 3 weeks left! I want the best for my "customer". I get loads of beer for payment and all! And yes, i can color in more than just black and white, im actually beginner with black-white composition things. At least with cooler black-white composition things.

PS. and if you have any time, visit www.mikseri.net/neuronox Listen either Dr.afx or Rotten sound complex (those 2 are from the new disc), watch the drawings and tell me what kind of feeling you get. That would be helpful for my project. Now i give the microphone to you :)

Kainin
March 16th, 2007, 07:43 AM
Hi have had a look and a think. On the subject of bubbles I would stick with
the unfilled ones but make the outline thicker on them so they so with the picture more. Like in the first one where you have thck lines in the drawing but very thin ones on the bubbles.
The first one you wouldnt really guess it was a female if it didnt have brests so try to look at mermaid pics for insparation as I would make the rib's slimmer and the waist sections of the tail thicker.
It would be nice to see the cover with the text on as im interested to see it in its finished state.
But all in all I like it :)

MEITTI
March 16th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Hi have had a look and a think. On the subject of bubbles I would stick with
the unfilled ones but make the outline thicker on them so they so with the picture more. Like in the first one where you have thck lines in the drawing but very thin ones on the bubbles.
The first one you wouldnt really guess it was a female if it didnt have brests so try to look at mermaid pics for insparation as I would make the rib's slimmer and the waist sections of the tail thicker.
It would be nice to see the cover with the text on as im interested to see it in its finished state.
But all in all I like it :)


Yeah, i guess those ribs are too manly hehheh. Kinky butt coming up!

And that bubbleidea is very good one. Im not sure if i should keep those bubbles as they are on the first picture. Because since its "trademark" and all, theres the possibility of the image being as small as a postmark, and those bubbles would look kinda weird. Or should i make a "simple version" out from Deep Horse? That would be another option. You know, lesser lines, and its the shape which makes it recognisable. But then i have to get rid of the bubbles too. Hmmm...need to try out both. Thanks for the tip though! Really appreciate it ;)

Elwell
March 17th, 2007, 01:02 AM
I really like that second one, but please get rid of the plant on the bottom. It does nothing for the piece.

MEITTI
March 22nd, 2007, 11:00 AM
Yah, was trying to make the "perspective" look via the bush there, but i guess it just looks pretty weird. Hmmm...any suggestions how to make it look like the guy is "far away" from you?

Well, i dont know how taboo it is here to bring up topics which go away from the front page, but i figured it would be better to show the promised cd-case here, rather than make another topic for it:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/MEITTI/cdkansi.jpg


wanted to make a stylish "black slab" on the corner of the cd-case. In the end it made the picture look much better, than if the electric-tower pic wouldve been on the whole case. Its also good place for the little info Neuronox-guy gave me. Now give me some c-c-c-c-c-Critique! :)


On second note, feedback from the customer was this: "Wow, your idea is very great, but the sea horse chick should have better boobs, and be more robotic". Yup, thats what he said. However if id made her cup larger, it wouldve hurt the balance of the trademark, making it look like the very weight of the breasts would pull her down, hehheh.

As for roboticism, i tried to "chrome" her up a bit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/MEITTI/img001.jpg

Thats one of the early concept arts turned unto finished ones, it acts a role of being the example pic on the website design example. Did you know that some website layouts have been done entirely with photoshop? Surprising isnt it? :O