humanist movement? in concept art i dont think so..!!!.

[the_allejo05]

I read the intro in Conceptart.org. atelier and it sounds nice and Im happy that these artists are trying to help others to make the industry better..hell they are extremely talented...,but lets not confuse it with the Reinnassance..im an avid student of that period.. and well humanist movement goes beyond merely creatures and monsters and superficial stories..Its a lot about the mind and philosophy and other arts.. there is more to it than just anatomy and geometry. and a few drawings of casts ...please do not catalogue it together, you guys are doing the same as most other "ateliers" ,anyways dont take me wrong..i enjoy this site and recognize the talent,but Renaissance men were above our heads in "thinking".

[Seedling]

Um, allejho? If a man from the Renaissance and a proper contemporary Humanist met in a bar, there might well be a fist-fight. For the love of dog, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

[edit] Oh, poo, you're talking about Renaissance Humanism. Be more specific when you fling your insults, please.

Anyway. . . you annoy me with your petty jibes. If you wish to get into a they-were-holier-than-thou contest with anyone, tidy up your grammar first, because you are coming off as an example of the sort of person you are railing against.

[the_allejo05]

I guess you cannot read..I meant no disrespect..for the video gamers..but please do not think for a minute is humanism, and pardon my English since is not my first language. And If you guys cannot recognize what was done before and that nobody today is even close to touching their toes your are blind ,sir. I do not mean to praise these masters or make them hollier,but to open up our eyes to see how much more we can accomplish as they once did, only if we just took our time,but i guess nobody cares anymore. Anyhow. The truth is revealed to only those who can see with their brains.

[Seedling]

It’s “ma’am”, not “sir”.

I can see that the language barrier is going to be a problem here. Your English is good, but it is not yet good enough for a nuanced debate. If you want to insult artists, you are better off if you do so in your native language.

Shoo.

[the_allejo05]

oops..that makes sense..speaking to a woman is pointless ;), I think they have a big sale at Macy's..go on shooo..hehe.

[Seedling]

Do you know the phrase “burning bridges”, allejho? If not, look it up, because that is what you are currently doing.

[the_allejo05]

I never heard it, but I can see what it means.. just because i disagree with "open hearted statements "based on lightly assumptions does not make me wrong is it? again i said no offense to the talent here..but for greater art it takes a hell lot more..

[Seedling]

Allejo, much of what you just said makes no sense, but I take insults to my gender very seriously.

[DannySketch]

I am not exactly an important member of this site neither am I incredibly intelligent in the way of art history, I am an art student and as such I am probably wrong in what I am about to say,

The word renaissance means rebirth or revival and the renaissance period came about as a result of the Italians desperately trying to gain back the knowledge and understanding of nature in their art that the Greeks and Romans worked so hard to discover and that was almost lost in the middle ages. It took one artist (Giotto di Bondone) to inspire a whole movement of art that would span over many centuries, most renaissance artists wanted to make art for art in itself, but ALL renaissance masters, whether they liked it or not, had to work for the biggest commercial industry at the time, the church, in order to make a living in a way that still helped them to grow artistically.

I have never come across the phrase 'Humanist movement' before but if it does indeed apply to the renaissance, then forgive me, but if your saying the statement ' a movement that was inspired by one man, in order to use the biggest commercial industry of the time to re discover the depth and beauty of nature within art' does not apply to conceptart.org then I believe you are a turnip.:)

Bare in mind the greatest pieces of the renaissance (the ‘high renaissance) pieces by Leonardo, Raphael, Michelangelo, and Titian came about 100 years after the start of the renaissance period,

Concept art is very young

Be patient.

[GNL]

allejo - I really dont see what your point is ? What do you want? Do you want the guys from the CA Atelier to admit you are right? Then what?
Try diverting your energy into your drawing instead?


Be glad that seedling actually bothered to answer your post in the first place.

[the_allejo05]

:blah: blah blah

[Seedling]

:blah: blah blah

Allejho, did some snot-nosed pre-teen hijack your account?

[the_allejo05]

:S OH no help!!!!

[Spade]

Hmmm what a terrible thread, potentially interesting debate but I see no evidence that allejoo5 wants it. Firstly thier are people in the modern art world who are masters, i really dislike this "holier than though" crap that people pin on those renaisance masters because it really wasnt what they were about. Leonardo was perhaps one of the most naturally curious and kind hearted men ever, michael angelo whilst an insane perfectionist was no elitist.

Ill agree that all concept art is not all an amazing high standard but neither was all the art in the renaissance-yet we still consider it a fantastic era because of the talent that did arise.

This in my view is what we are on the brink on here, fine art is becoming part of concept art- we are moving into a time where concept artist are highly trained highly skilled craftsmen. We also have, thanks to the internet, the ultimate art workshop and who knows what this generation of artist that grow up with this opertunity will do in thier life time.

The renaissance was about the development and growth of art knowledge, people like you completely miss what the people of the time were trying to do and belittle the acheivement of those today who have been contributing the eternal dialogue of art. There are plenty of artists who are as talented today and if mankind exists in 500 years may well be considered gods of the time, but this in no way somehow detracts from the acheivments of the renaissance men. at all.

ps. just off the top of my head; in my opinion Carl Dobsky paints more realisticly and with more depth that davinci or michaelangelo... completely different style and completely different subject matter... same approach to art as a craft and art as a passion. ah well doubt youll listen but eh, rant over

Also every great human acheivement or movement would not have happened if people had been A) content with current knowledge and standards B) listened to people who told them they couldn't.

right now your are saying that you cant mix humanist/renaissance thinking and values into concept art, well.. they were concept artists, comissioned to visualise characters and scenes. What CA is infact trying to do is trying to bring back some of the training that they would undergo, instill such values and work ethic into artists so Concept art can return to such high (and even surpass) standards.

[the_allejo05]

well what can I say can , I have my own views.. again not attacking just clarifying..but anyhow IM tired. You guys do your own thing I'll do mine ;)