Art School Artists vs Self Taught Artists.

[Leari_79790]

Alright! I've got some time on my hands and in this thread here: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=82287 We thought it was a good idea to get Self taught artists (like me) to go against those other people who went through Art School to fight it out in a T-Dome. To prove once and for all which way truly yields the best brand of artists. I thought it was a T-Dome that could get a wide variety of types on CA to participate because I take it we all learnt how to paint and draw somehow.:yayca:

So what type of artist are you?..

This Tournament has officially started!!!!!
Start date:: December 8th
Deadline: January 3rd.


Topic: A real person from history from medieval civilisation i.e 300 A.D. to 1300 A.D. The person can be any type of character as long as he/she existed, and you can tell us some facts about him/her. Am looking for a full length portrayal of this famous or infamous person with something hinting to what he/she did/was. Refer to Velazquez's depictions of Aesop and Mennipus to see exactly what sort of image we're after. ONE image is all we're after, this competition is about which side of the divide has yielded the best, therefore we're only looking for your best work within these rules. COLOUR IMAGES ONLY!! too hard? hahaha. Also, your chosen figure is allowed to have extra's such as hat's, swords, a horse, as long as your extras were directly linked to your person's life, i.e if your figure was a mule tamer then since it explains who he was, he/she should be allowed to be painted with a mule. Don't get too extravagant though, or you risk disqualification. IF YOU SUMBIT A DRAWING, YOU WILL BE DISQUALIFIED.

Matches:

1. Sve vs Ostrander
2. Sinix vs Wil.Whalen
3. Justin Oaksford vs Look
4. Lohan vs Noe
5. Icey vs Fedezz
6. VirusArtist vs Art addict
7. Timothy vs Joelhinxman
8. Oblio vs Llothcat
9. TRUZART vs Floris Didden
10. Orifice vs Beelow
11.Nerdlinger vs Jfwalls
12. JenZee vs Ilaekae
13. Chaosrocks vs Magicgoo
14. Entdroid vs Xenos
15. Sundance vs Vigostar
16. Flake vs Dtemp
17. NicoRaven vs Rodriguez
18. MEhz vs Felecia
19. Blue vs Vorbis
20. MAsque vs octothreat
21. Mr-Joe vs Voodoochile
22. Buckweisel vs Amer-nazri
23. WhiteRose vs Blahm
24. Flip vs Ikuru
25. Embee vs Voraz
26. Brat777 vs ShyamShriram
27. Bjorn vs MrGrumble
28. JLAlfaro vs Mr Visions
29. Yverloc vs Jska
30. Nutter vs pan
31. Silvi~e vs 2100
32. Strych9ine vs Jens
33. Alxcote vs ShaoShao
34. Zarett vs Zanconato
35. Fixx vs Steve255!

ANY PUSSING OUT FROM NOW ON WILL RESULT IN A DISQUALIFICATION>

Judges:: Davi, Fellah, Mike Dutton, MikeCorriero, and Rebeccak

Medium: open to everything as long as it is in colour

Team Self taught:(the go team) 35/35 FULL
1. Nerdlinger
2. Magicgoo
3. JenZee
4. Sinix
5. Justin Oaksford
6. Noe
7. Icey
8. VirusArtist
9. T i m o t h y
10. Oblio
11. TRUZART
12. Orifice
13. Sve
14. Xenos
15. Dtemp
16. NicoRaven
17. Mehz
18. Blue
19. Steve255
20. Masque
21. Mr-Joe
22. Vigostar
23. Buckweisel
24. White Rose
25. Flip
26. Embee
27. ShyamShriram
28. Bjorn
29. JLAlfaro
30. Jska
31. Nutter
32. Silvi~e
33. Strych9ine
34. Zanconato
35. Alxcote




Team Art School 35/35 FULLI]

1. Zarett
2. Jens
3. ShaoShao
4. 2100
5. Pan
6. Ilaekae
7. Yverloc
8. Amer-nazri
9. Mr Visions
10. Mrgrumble
11. Brat 777
12. Voraz
13. Ikuru
14. Blahm
15. Voodoochile
16. Octothreat
17. Fixx
18. Vorbis
19. Felecia
20. Rodriguez
21. Flake
22. Sundance
23. Entdroid
24. Beelow
25. Art addict
26. Floris Didden
27. Llothcat
28. Joelhinxman
29. Chuck,mate
30. Fedezz
31. Lohan
32. Look
33. Ostrander
34. ChaosRocks
35. Wil. whalen
35a. Jfwalls

Reserves:


1.On January 2nd I will open a new thread in the Challenge Arena and everyone will post their final, finished work in that thread. Ilaeake will then format these works to his hosting site and the judges will judge the 1 on 1 matches in this way.

2. [I]Make sure when you submit your entry to the new thread you write a sentence saying who he/she was and what time span he/she lived in. Example:

Name (year of birth - year of death)
What they're known for.
A brief description of the person

Richard the Lionheart (1157 - 1199)
King of England, led the Third Crusade
Anti-semite, not too fond of that guy Saladin.



There will be a pool of one on one matches, pairing up Art School artists against Self Taught artists. The team who has the most victories across the board WINS!! Each individual effort counts to the tally of points for each team. So lets get some teams going
then!!

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Judging Criteria

1. Noone gets re-paired up all the matchups stay the same.

2. If you didn't post a full length picture. You won't be disqualified it'll just be a couple of points off your marks.

3. If a person has posted an entry of a person whose life span goes outside of the 300-1300 timespan that's alright as long as they were born in the span.

4. A classic painting should be prefered over a cartoon image, since the rules said to refer to Velasquez's aesop or Mennipus which are classic. Although this isn't a major issue.

5.

[j a k e]

So far I'm in Nerdo. Another self-taught little kid. I'll try and think of a topic suggestion.

[Zarett]

I've had three years of conventional schooling my entire life - kindergarten, third grade, and my freshman year of college. Am I on the self-taught team, or should there be a third one for art school dropouts?

[llothcat]

The school I went to I would not consider an art school, but I was in their Studio Art program and I did recieve my BA from them back in 1999. And I've been correcting everything they taught me since then. I've had no real art instruction, ever, but I was taught theory until my eyes glazed over. The teachers had no respect for commercial grade skills, not having the skills themselves, and thus encouraged real crappy art to be produced. The senior thesis show was a joke, because you had to have a real good paper written and stapled to the wall next to your real crappy art project to explain it in Art-eese.


so..where do I fit in?

[j a k e]

You were still taught skills though? And you have got the BA so I suppose...Taught? That's my guess.

[llothcat]

Not really taught the skills, just the theory behind them. In workshops we would be allowed to practice what we already knew. The teachers critiqued the theory for a piece, not the technical skills to produce it. Not a single one of them ever corrected my perspective problems, and one had us cut up coloring books to make collages, rather than have us actually draw anything.

[Leari_79790]

If you've stepped foot into a Art university unfortunately for you, you are against my team, the go team, annnnd which means you're on team school. Zarett and Llothcat you're on team school. How about I mix things up and say that each singular challenge has a topic decided by the two participants and they work round that once they've told the judges. Because, I mean a win is a win and I'm just flipping out and mixing things up here. So once you know who you're facing you can choose you're own subject or go for the main one that I'll set soon. Once I use my creative gpowers to think of one...

[JenZee]

Count me in Nerdlinger :). Representing for the Self Taught team! My finals are on the week of the 15th though X_X.


Honestly though - the results wouldn't really be telling of anything conclusive, we would need at least 35 participants per team, according to standard statistician practice :). Gotta make a bell curve :9.


:cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader:

[Sinix]

Count me in for the self-taught. I hope you get a lot of people.

[joelhinxman]

wow thats a big self taught team. sounds fun to me. put me on the skould team. cause i am or was.

[Zarett]

Hah! Well, even if I'm on the art school team, I'll be cheering for you autodidacts... as I hand your ass to you on a platter.:wink:

[Mr. Visions]

I would be down for this, but sadly for us school cats at VCU, it's exams during that time (I know, whine whine). If the deadline could be pushed back I'd be down. Also, do we have a topic yet?

- Visions

[Chuck,mate.]

ammm.....
if i`m drawing and painting since age 12, practically learning all that i know by trial and error, and at age 23 went to art school, didn`t finish it, and was bored and frustrated out of my skull since they didn`t teach me ANYTHING whatsoever (or they would ask me to "connect" myself emotionally to a given time-space occurrence while contemplating on kinetic-art and its meaning in modern living....) -

where do i fit in?

[JenZee]

ammm.....
if i`m drawing and painting since age 12, practically learning all that i know by trial and error, and at age 23 went to art school, didn`t finish it, and was bored and frustrated out of my skull since they didn`t teach me ANYTHING whatsoever (or they would ask me to "connect" myself emotionally to a given time-space occurrence while contemplating on kinetic-art and its meaning in modern living....) -

where do i fit in?

How long did you spend in contaminated areas? And which classes were they? I think if it's like...one class, and it's something very basic like "drawing101," you basically qualify for self-taught. Gradeschool art courses where we all smeared oil pastels on paper and got real messy probably don't count either? I hope. Of course, this is all up to Nerdling I think....

[Justin.]

I"m in, self taught :D

[Chuck,mate.]

gradeschool basic drawing101?

no, this was an academic legit ART school. the best in the country.
(i`d say its name, but i`m kinda trashing it right now...) :)

the whole 2 years i spent there we were crafting idiotic shite with
Papier-mâché and taking photos of ourselves dressed as hobos in the center of town. and then - we discussed our (and our fellow students...)`s works for like 3 days, talking about feelings, and symbolism, and had boring boring boring analysis sessions. after talking our asses off - we then talked about it some more.
And I didn`t even go to modern art like courses.
My major was actually illustration, which I didn`t get to study or do, since this only take place in the 3rd year….
i didn`t hold a pencil in my hand for these 2 years. swear to god.
i actually didn`t draw for 2 years.

[fedezz]

I just graduated in graphic design/illustration BFA, but academics things are quite different in this country, specially in my city. I mean, we had to design wrapping paper and illustrate advertisings without even going through the basics of the different medias. Not to mention the lack of development in the communicational side of the activity (illustration, dohhh). You couldn't possibly imagine the crapness of it.
It wasn't until I discovered CA and decided to give illustration a shot that I started the actual learning, so count me in for the self taught biatches!

[Lohan]

what if you've only done 1 semester of college then quit.

[Shamagim]

Hehehe, this is very confusing.

People who still are not old enough to go to college are considered "self taught"...Until they go to college, graduate and find out that they have to learn a lot more before being able to get a job, then they change to be "self taught" again.


I would be in for self taught....But I recommend you to start this TD after the workshop to get more contestants :)

[chaosrocks]

I think there needs to be a third team of the school refusés

cchaos

[Ilaekae]

Point: we have a male calendar finishing up immediately befor your deadline.

Point: we have Insomania starting on the day of your deadline, which means many will be traveling before the deadline.

Point: Clarify your rules so there no confusion. We seem to have a high number of people who refuse to admit they had some "real" art training of any kind.

If you NEVER set foot in an art school, mentored art studio, college evening art class, live model sketching site with a "teacher," then you NEVER had formal training.

If you did any of the above, or attended college, you HAD at least some formal training, no matter how bad you thought it was.

Point: From what I've seen so far, we have people who are claiming no formal art training of any kind because their teacher was a goldfish, they were drunk the entire time they were in class, they were kidnapped by alien art instructors and influenced against their will with anal probes, and any number of other excuses. How about those of us who went to art school, taught in an art school, but are suffering the onset of senility/dementia/acid flashbacks causing us to forget anything we did before last night. Get real, people. If you went in, you got cooties. Stand up like a grown-up and admit it.

Point: Will the topics/judging be fair? If the "self-taught" determine the approach, we may have a pure "illustration" approach, which could unfairly negate the specialized knowledge the "schooled" have acquired. The opposite would be just as bad.

Final Point: I'm in. On the "School" side. Wanna whoop me some fried ego on toast...:yawn:

[JenZee]

Point: we have a male calendar finishing up immediately befor your deadline.

Point: we have Insomania starting on the day of your deadline, which means many will be traveling before the deadline.

Point: Clarify your rules so there no confusion. We seem to have a high number of people who refuse to admit they had some "real" art training of any kind.

If you NEVER set foot in an art school, mentored art studio, college evening art class, live model sketching site with a "teacher," then you NEVER had formal training.

If you did any of the above, or attended college, you HAD at least some formal training, no matter how bad you thought it was.

Point: From what I've seen so far, we have people who are claiming no formal art training of any kind because their teacher was a goldfish, they were drunk the entire time they were in class, they were kidnapped by alien art instructors and influenced against their will with anal probes, and any number of other excuses. How about those of us who went to art school, taught in an art school, but are suffering the onset of senility/dementia/acid flashbacks causing us to forget anything we did before last night. Get real, people. If you went in, you got cooties. Stand up like a grown-up and admit it.

Point: Will the topics/judging be fair? If the "self-taught" determine the approach, we may have a pure "illustration" approach, which could unfairly negate the specialized knowledge the "schooled" have acquired. The opposite would be just as bad.

Final Point: I'm in. On the "School" side. Wanna whoop me some fried ego on toast...:yawn:

also!

point Those of us (or at least me and visions?) in school on a quarterly schedule have finals on the week of the 15th I think.

I agree with Ilaeke. We'd get more participants if we waited, and also what *is* with all the art schoolers who are in denial? XD Are you guys that eager to get on the winning team!? Hahah jk jk :) I kid! Sort of.

Anyway, yes let us (or someone) clarify the rules! Fedezz, I really think you 100% qualify as art schooled :9.

[j a k e]

Then simple :) we could probably get ol' Nerdlinger to change the dates around and stuff, so it fits in after the workshop and stuff like that. This could be a BIG 'UN!

Hah Art schoolers in denial so true Jenzzzzzzz.

[Zarett]

what *is* with all the art schoolers who are in denial?

I'm just so used to being the odd one out in any group, being the person who didn't finish school, that I just automatically say I'm self-taught - which I am, in relation to most of the people I hang with online/IRL. It's kind of a point of pride that I've gotten to where I am with just one year of art school, and...

oh god if you take that away...

WHAT WILL BE LEFT TO ME??

For the purposes of this Tdome, I'm resigned to playing for team school, since I have in fact set foot upon the hallowed grounds of art school (and paid my 30k). But I want a dropout versus grad tdome at some point...

[Noë]

Okay I'm self taught at the moment ^^ But I'm planning on going to art school to study Game Design and Development in 2008/2009. But for now I'm self taught :P

so ehh I'm in that team.
But if the other team needs more people, count me in for that one. I don't care. I'm just in for a TD.

Love
Marleen

[Leari_79790]

Fair dink! I have to be strict when it comes to credentials as to what breed of artist you are or else the ratios won't balance out, i.e we might have 45 schoolers and 12 selfies, so therefore thankyou JenZee we'll have if we can manage this many people, a 35 manned squad of artists per team. And Ilaekae, good idea we'll wait a while so as to assemble the troops so the deadline, well there is no deadline at the moment until someone tells me what suits.. Judging will be fair, I expect we'll be able to get some mods in on the fight, fair mods.

Annnnd, you muppet Art Schooler woman's blouse's are done. Just done. Give up now. Save the shame, maaaaan.

[Icey]

hey... where do i sign... i'm for "selfies" :)

[look]

I've take one beginning drawing class (which was a basic requirement for all majors) and one figure drawing class in college, can i still sign up as a self-taught?

[Ilaekae]

I got married twice...but I was stoned both times, so does that make me single? Gawd! Somebody puh-leeeeze say "YES!"

[Leari_79790]

Alright, alright, one more point, unless y'all d'nt wanna have your opponents randomly chosen you are allowed to issue personal challenges, so if someone has been pissing you off since way back when, then call them out!

That being said, I'd like to call out the very best artist on the Art School team and lay the gauntlet by their feet. Once the 35 members have been chosen to represent, I'd like team Art School to hand pick their best to go toe to toe with mwah!!:D

So who else is going to set down a personal challenge?

[VirusArtist]

Count me in as soon as the male calendar thunderdome is done. I'm joining team "self taught"

Whats the topic?

Whats the deadline?

Specific or open medium?

cheers,
Etienne

Edit: should have drunk my coffee earlier... missed out on reading all the posts hehehe... forget the questions ;)

[Ilaekae]

I challenge the entire "Selfy" team...I'm not greedy.>:D

[JenZee]

Alright, alright, one more point, unless y'all d'nt wanna have your opponents randomly chosen you are allowed to issue personal challenges, so if someone has been pissing you off since way back when, then call them out!

That being said, I'd like to call out the very best artist on the Art School team and lay the gauntlet by their feet. Once the 35 members have been chosen to represent, I'd like team Art School to hand pick their best to go toe to toe with mwah!!:D

So who else is going to set down a personal challenge?


Wait, are we trying to start a tournament? Or are we trying to start a THROWDOWN?

I personally would prefer one topic for all, matches randomly chosen. When your doing statistics, you have to use constant variables ;). Sorry this is the Math major in me.

[j a k e]

She speaks the truth! :)

[Leari_79790]

I was finking of a few topics based around things like Romanticism, post modernism, or doing famous people from history like how Velasquez interpreted Aesop, Mennipus etc, and reinventing them to how you think they should look. I dunno throw out some ideas.

Jenzee, I never liked math!!:D

[JenZee]

I was finking of a few topics based around things like Romanticism, post modernism, or doing famous people from history like how Velasquez interpreted Aesop, Mennipus etc, and reinventing them to how you think they should look. I dunno throw out some ideas.

Jenzee, I never liked math!!:D

I kind of like the idea of reinventing historical figures HMMM. Ummmmmm, I am never good at thinking up ideas with words (I hope I'm better with drawing?).... so I'll just pass the torch on to Jake :D . Ideas? lol.


And I like math, I'm just not good at it! Blood, sweat and tears to get that Math degree and dammit I WILL use it! (for things like the proper scientific experiment regarding the effect of x=art schooling vs. y=art :9)

[j a k e]

For some reason I always thought it would be so fun to... well... put yourself in a historical moment or something of the like. You know, like a self portrait, on another level. That's probably a bit lame though haha.

[Ilaekae]

I'm listing some shit that gives a lot of latitude for variation and interpretation. I'm not into mechs and such, so add some of those, too. Do like the image having a near-human look though, so we have some level base to work from. I'm also making it a bit complicated because the Schoolies and Selfies have to have enough playing ground to show off their skills--no one shot deal here--you gotta prove how good you are five times over in five different ways...

Subjects:
Queen
Traveler
Geek
Farmer
Holy Man/Priest
Something classic horror like werewolf or sumpthin'
Cyborg

How about we make it a five subject TD, with EVERYBODY working on five subjects in different art styles like...

classic realism (or whatever you call it),
a cartoonish, manga, or linear style like comics,
a near abstract free-form (but still on topic) version,
a "super graphic" version in raw hard edge and only one or two colors,
and a version in any style you wish that's different from the above.

Any media you want...with extra points given for ALL different mediums for each piece (if you can only work on computer--shame on you--make it look like five different traditional media with your tricky-dick brush tools)

Just pick five subjects, five styles, and five delivery dates. Let the contestants decide what combination of style/subject they're doing for each individual piece and in what order their doing it. They can do all of them in the first day if they want, but ONE has to be posted by each of the five deadlines to keep you in. If you're late, you get penalized points.

Is that too much? Too hard? Too complicated? Can some of us do it? with our eyes closed, Selfy Boy...:rendered:

ADD: Forgot to mention that the judging would be at the end of all five deadlines. The judges would probably judge by the COLLECTED mess rather than by single piece. How they arrive at that conclusion is up to them...

[t i m]

Can I get in on this? I would be Self Taught.

[JenZee]

I'm listing some shit that gives a lot of latitude for variation and interpretation. I'm not into mechs and such, so add some of those, too. Do like the image having a near-human look though, so we have some level base to work from. I'm also making it a bit complicated because the Schoolies and Selfies have to have enough playing ground to show off their skills--no one shot deal here--you gotta prove how good you are five times over in five different ways...

Subjects:
Queen
Traveler
Geek
Farmer
Holy Man/Priest
Something classic horror like werewolf or sumpthin'
Cyborg

How about we make it a five subject TD, with EVERYBODY working on five subjects in different art styles like...

classic realism (or whatever you call it),
a cartoonish, manga, or linear style like comics,
a near abstract free-form (but still on topic) version,
a "super graphic" version in raw hard edge and only one or two colors,
and a version in any style you wish that's different from the above.

Any media you want...with extra points given for ALL different mediums for each piece (if you can only work on computer--shame on you--make it look like five different traditional media with your tricky-dick brush tools)

Just pick five subjects, five styles, and five delivery dates. Let the contestants decide what combination of style/subject they're doing for each individual piece and in what order their doing it. They can do all of them in the first day if they want, but ONE has to be posted by each of the five deadlines to keep you in. If you're late, you get penalized points.

Is that too much? Too hard? Too complicated? Can some of us do it? with our eyes closed, Selfy Boy...:rendered:


More like too boring! Also probably too much I say. Some of us don't have that much free time :d.

Five different styles? Sounds like schoolies courses :). Honestly, I think the competition here isn't about "how well can you do many different styles" but rather, "how well do you draw, dammit." Of course it's a great thing to be able to draw in different styles, but that's not really the point of this is it? That would be more like "prove you went to art school." I kind of thought these types of challenges would result in art which say "this is me" rather than "hey look I can emulate Alma Tadema perfectly!"

Because honestly I don't care if you can emulate perfectly, or can BS up a style quickly, I simply want to see the best you have to offer. Maybe I'm wrong, and everyone will like this idea. If that's so I wouldn't mind doing it :9. Just putting my two cents in.

But I bet the reason the schoolies all bitch about going to art school is partly because they had to do this ;)


As for not being one shot... Why don't we do it a la Last Man standing, and see who racks up the most wins :).

[Qitsune]

Next time there should be a 3rd category:'irrelevant semi-art education' I bet everyone would want to be in it. Like me, with my degree in fashion design I don't fit anywhere because it's not really art, but we did have some drawing class.
I can sew like a mofo tho.

[look]

I got married twice...but I was stoned both times, so does that make me single? Gawd! Somebody puh-leeeeze say "YES!"
rofl, if you put it that way, then that's easier to figure out which side I'm on. :P
But maybe change it to "trained" instead of "art schoolers". After all, a lot of us seems weren't even in an art college, and weren't art majored.

[Oblio]

shoot - i didnt' had time for too much practice in the last.. 2 years... i started drawing 3 years ago then... when i found CA.
so... i'm self thought... on CA only!
i hope i'll not bring shame to... the clan :)

[JenZee]

shoot - i didnt' had time for too much practice in the last.. 2 years... i started drawing 3 years ago then... when i found CA.
so... i'm self thought... on CA only!
i hope i'll not bring shame to... the clan :)

<highlander>There can be only one</highlander>

lol, just kidding

Wewt wewt!

Whoa, lookie I didn't see you there *hug*!

[Ostrander]

Sign me up for "Team Schooled".

[chaosrocks]

hey Quitsune... Fashion design is so ART
and Costume design is too
and I live at aFucking Art school
sign me up withthe schoolies

nmaybe we need a third catagory for the Too much life experience to claim to be selftaught...for us over educated geezers.... and illae..your still married to both of them......oops

and dont interfere with my Male-pinup eyecandy...lest wait till thats done!!!

chaos

[Ilaekae]

"Because honestly I don't care if you can emulate perfectly, or can BS up a style quickly, I simply want to see the best you have to offer. Maybe I'm wrong, and everyone will like this idea. If that's so I wouldn't mind doing it :9. Just putting my two cents in.

But I bet the reason the schoolies all bitch about going to art school is partly because they had to do this"

Jen', I never once referred to "emulating." Most of us would consider that an insult. In fact, this is something that's more common with younger self-taughts. If I have to look at another Frazetta wanabee/whatever, I'm gonna puke. When I refer to "styles," I'm referring to using tool in hand to it's max...for example, you can't paint with a pencil, and a woodcut result is nothing like anything else, but definitely shows that you "can draw." I was trying to get across the fact that many people fall into ruts because they fail to want to experiment beyond their comfort zone. AND this is a result of lack of exposure to "what's out there."

How about we go the other way then, since you don't seem to want to play...and you'll get your wish--"I simply want to see the best you have to offer."

Since your skills are NOT determined by your tools,I suggest that everyone work in crayons, or a black pencil. That gets it to raw output, and is such a basic skill that nobody should have any trouble doing "their best." Of course, it might put a crimp on anyone who absolutely needs a comp to do ANYTHING at all...:xpld:

[TRUZART]

I'd like to be on team unskooled....:bashful:

[JenZee]

"Because honestly I don't care if you can emulate perfectly, or can BS up a style quickly, I simply want to see the best you have to offer. Maybe I'm wrong, and everyone will like this idea. If that's so I wouldn't mind doing it :9. Just putting my two cents in.

But I bet the reason the schoolies all bitch about going to art school is partly because they had to do this"

Jen', I never once referred to "emulating." Most of us would consider that an insult. In fact, this is something that's more common with younger self-taughts. If I have to look at another Frazetta wanabee/whatever, I'm gonna puke. When I refer to "styles," I'm referring to using tool in hand to it's max...for example, you can't paint with a pencil, and a woodcut result is nothing like anything else, but definitely shows that you "can draw." I was trying to get across the fact that many people fall into ruts because they fail to want to experiment beyond their comfort zone. AND this is a result of lack of exposure to "what's out there."

How about we go the other way then, since you don't seem to want to play...and you'll get your wish--"I simply want to see the best you have to offer."

Since your skills are NOT determined by your tools,I suggest that everyone work in crayons, or a black pencil. That gets it to raw output, and is such a basic skill that nobody should have any trouble doing "their best." Of course, it might put a crimp on anyone who absolutely needs a comp to do ANYTHING at all...:xpld:

That's why I put "Because honestly I don't care if you can emulate perfectly, or can BS up a style quickly." :). But I know where you're coming from, and it's a good idea, just seems like overdoing it completely. Like I said, if other people are down for whatever, I'm fine with that, just giving my opinion :d.

I think this is one thing that the selfies and schoolies can agree on... digital dependency is the lose. However, again by BEST, I mean I want to see people work with the medium they are most comfortable with. I mean, if some dude is a total badass acrylic artist, why would I want to see his good, but mediocre oil paintings? Seriously, I would much rather see an oil painting by Raphael, than a crayon drawing by him, even though I'm sure that his crayon work would be (are?!) above and beyond average.

And of course, we arn't just talking technical skill here, if you have a special style, then maybe the draw of that style makes up for your lack of say...color theory. I think it'd be more fun to see people in their native environment, doing what they're best at. Because then the end product will be the best you can chug out, not some schoolie-style "only use contour lines no shading" test.

And what if someone in this competition SPECIALIZES IN CRAYONS!?!?!? What then!!!!!! That would tip the scales! No fair no fair :spam:. lol.

Dude, it's more like.... if I have to look at another Enayla wannabe I will stab myself in the eyeball!!!! I'd rather see Frazetta emu, than Enayla X_X. Then again, I think all artists emulate to begin with... they need to. Heck, I know many artists including myself that traced things (of course I was like 12, it was DragonballZ, and that kind of stuff isn't released to the public), I think it's just the fact that we can see so many more (and younger) artists now due to the net.

[Leari_79790]

Any medium is allowed to be used for this (should we say as long as it is in colour??), that way people aren't stuck to using something they aren't good at, this way people can show us their best. Sorry Ilaekae I'm a slow artist and I think simply doing one picture that has had the hell rendered out of it is more gratifying and just a better way to determine a 1 on 1 situation!!

I'm still keen on doing something like a full length figure of someone from history like Atilla the Hun or Saladin, a luminary from the barbarians or someone from the crusades, a king, an emperor, a saint, hell anyone of importance who lived before the 1300's.

[look]

Nerdlinger: but black and white and greyscale works are great too!

*snuggle jen :)*

[Ilaekae]

I don't disagree with you on this...(I had to look up enylalalalalala whats-her-name cuz I didn't know who you were talkin' about...). There is a fine line, though, between being INFLUENCED by and EMULATING. I've been working with acrylics since the early 60s and I've been a block printer/cutter even longer, and even now, I find myself noticing little bits of Klee and Sequieros and even Punchatz peeking through here and there. But, trust me on this one...nobody would ever mistake me for any of those guys. They influenced me in some fashion--maybe the way paint or color was handled, maybe the flow of the line work, whatever--but I never traced their work or copied it. It was a major sin where I came from.

What worries me is the tendency for some people to hone their skills by tracing, then copying, then finally "creating" original pieces in the personal "style" of their hero in the art world. This is an extremely dangerous and self-defeating thing to do, and I'm a firm believer of smacking someone in the chops with a tire iron when they do something that stupid.

90-95% of everything I ever attempted ended up in the trash. What came out of it was some small pile of successful pieces that I am very proud of. They wouldn't exist, though, if I had never tried something beyond my reach in the first place. A rich artist is judged by how successful a hack they are, a great artist is judged by his/her failures. Someday---maybe someday--I hope to leave behind a huge pile of some of the greatest failures ever created...;)

That's when I'll relax...

[JenZee]

What worries me is the tendency for some people to hone their skills by tracing, then copying, then finally "creating" original pieces in the personal "style" of their hero in the art world. This is an extremely dangerous and self-defeating thing to do, and I'm a firm believer of smacking someone in the chops with a tire iron when they do something that stupid.

90-95% of everything I ever attempted ended up in the trash. What came out of it was some small pile of successful pieces that I am very proud of. They wouldn't exist, though, if I had never tried something beyond my reach in the first place. A rich artist is judged by how successful a hack they are, a great artist is judged by his/her failures. Someday---maybe someday--I hope to leave behind a huge pile of some of the greatest failures ever created...;)

That's when I'll relax...

I agree with your view on the tracing...I think.. I am certainly biased, because I did "mature" as an artist that way, and am hoping I didn't fall into the trap. I'm kind of still turning it over in my brain. I *have* seen tons of artists who trace and copy and then "create original" artwork. In fact, I've called out so many of them in high volume art communities like Deviant Art, that I want to jump right in and cheer with you :). Of course, then I would be calling myself out....maybe. I hope there are exceptions to your rule... please don't hit me with a tire iron.

Hehe, composte piles!!!! Mostly everything but your latest work ought to be trash. And then, given a week, that new piece also becomes trash! Or at least that's how what happens to me. Cheers to the creation of trash :vodka2::party:!

Enayla is/was one of the forerunners of the "hyper-realistic-fey-dark-fantasy" styles. I'd say 90% of the art you see that looks like hers is done by emulating (some crappy, some good) fans. She's pretty amazing I'd say, but it's a breath of fresh air to run into respectable artists who *don't* know who she is <3.

[VirusArtist]

However, again by BEST, I mean I want to see people work with the medium they are most comfortable with. I mean, if some dude is a total badass acrylic artist, why would I want to see his good, but mediocre oil paintings? Seriously, I would much rather see an oil painting by Raphael, than a crayon drawing by him, even though I'm sure that his crayon work would be (are?!) above and beyond average.


some thougths on the topic:

this site is all about learning... although I'm fine with the thought that one should strive to take his skills to perfection in the medium one is most comfortable with, I'm very intrigued by the thought of assigning "uncomfortable" mediums.

challenges like these arent about winning or losing in my oppinion. they are a way to find out what limitations the artists have and how to improve upon them. lets find out what the limitations of ..say.. marko are. would el coro be able to ink a looney tune? would mike corriero be able to create a unique lowbrow airbrush picture?

there's a ton of awesome artists on this site and everyone has their special fields of work, but honestly- if I want to see beautiful pictures, i'll go to the finally finished section.

I for myself am entering forum challenges because I want to grow as an artist and because no one else would force me to try something new (something I value about art schools). my clients always hire me to work with styles and mediums I am best in. since i'm self taught, I dont get many chances to dive into a new medium or style, except on sites like this or when a friend challenges me.

You want a good lineart picture with loads of crosshatching, something biomechanic or a funny cartoon character? I can whip up one of these in a few hours. but I tend to hit a wall when someone asks me to do an oil painting influeced by rembrandt for instance. I'd love to try that, because I think it would change my morking methods and ways of thinking in my fields of expertise.

as for "schooled" vs "non schooled": I dont think one is better than the other. there are pros and cons on both sides. I've met people from the graffitty scene that never had any formal training that turned into masters of acrylic paint, oil paint and airbrush. ive seen works of art students that turned out highly original and non-conform with what they were taught.

What both types of artists have in common: they love producing art and they want to evolve - one way or another.

I guess this challenge will prove that there really is no comparison between the two.


I'm still keen on doing something like a full length figure of someone from history like Atilla the Hun or Saladin, a luminary from the barbarians or someone from the crusades, a king, an emperor, a saint, hell anyone of importance who lived before the 1300's.

YAY! historical persons! would love to do ghengis khan or eric the red :)

[Oblio]

I'm with Virus.
It's all about learning.. and both sides have ups and downs.
So we camn make it easier - we can make chalenges one on one - and decide the topic and the medium.. then we give it a go.
You can look in my SB and see what i've managed so far - i think i suck in all fields .. so any chalenge will work for me.
So.. bring it on.
One more thing - i'm incredibly busy and i'm ussualy changing countries and appartments - like i run from KGB and FBI in the same time. Please... when this starts i would realy appreciate if someone can get a PM or something.
I'll try to follow... but deadlines are a bitch.. and workshop is comming soon and hollydays and.. and.. and..

[wil.whalen]

I'm in; art school team mo'fuggas.

[Icon]

if i had a bit more time on my hands I would support the self taught. the major i was going for in my trade school... really did nothing for me illustration wise. :/ anyway good luck!

[chaosrocks]

ooh ooh costume historical sounds great....~!

chaos

[Ilaekae]

Nerd', how about picking a time period (xx AD to xx AD) you think might be interesting and let everybody choose the place/costume in that era? That way, everybody can choose male/female, western/eastern, whatever. Would definitely require some research on everybody's part...and give us the greatest variety of subjects.

[v0rbiss]

If there is still place, sign me for team "schooled".

[chaosrocks]

what you got agaisnt BC..mr Kitty....you can't remember back that far?

teasing
any time period is fine
chaos

[Ilaekae]

...Too many bad memories...and the beer sucked...

[JenZee]

w00t this sounds fun. I agree, hurry up and pick a time period Nerd! I'm hoping it's a pretty wide range?

And wait...


this site is all about learning... although I'm fine with the thought that one should strive to take his skills to perfection in the medium one is most comfortable with, I'm very intrigued by the thought of assigning "uncomfortable" mediums.
challenges like these arent about winning or losing in my oppinion.


Lies! This challenge is COMPLETELY about proving who is better! Forget improvement!!!Mwuahahahahah. /m\ \w/


Just kidding...of course ;).

[Ilaekae]

Okay, Jen', I'm game. I'm gonna jump up and down on your head before this is over...and I'm senile, blind, and ate my fingers for lunch in 1978 (gotta stay away from those green pills with Popeye printed on 'em...).

[Leari_79790]

Time period between 300 A.D. to 1300 A.D (Medieval time period) can depict anyone be it a tyrant, a saint, a cynic as long as they had a name and as long as you can rattle off some facts about who they were. ONE image is all we'll need.

This site may be about learning but this thread is about who has already "Learnt" therefore as I've edited the rules in the first post, COLOUR Images only! this way it really is testing your skills and how much you know, it's also easier to judge too. I know! that may sound too tough, but this thread isn't about everybody being a winner it's about Team Self taught being the winners, you have to sift the chaff from the wheat, or is it sift the wheat from the chaff??.. anyway I'm just throwing you all in the deep end, I hope you can swim...Buahahahah!!!

[Orifice]

After readin alot of "I have gone to school for blur blur bliragshag... ....can I join self taught"- comments I honestly do not know where to plase myself. The swedish schoolsystem aint like the US-one.. n stuff. I'm in what I guess is the equality of upper secondary school or somethin like that, with the alignement "art". So we have artclasses 2 times a week, but I'm still in "regular" school, not university. I'm half way through my 2-art-classes-a-wheek-years of school. Which ever team I end up with all my heart will be in the self taught team, I feel like I belong with the happy free pack of joy. I'd also like to freely and carelessly roam the vast meadows of untoughtdness! but wth. you be the judge mister!

[Felicia]

I am in. Sign me up for team art school.

[JenZee]

After readin alot of "I have gone to school for blur blur bliragshag... ....can I join self taught"- comments I honestly do not know where to plase myself. The swedish schoolsystem aint like the US-one.. n stuff. I'm in what I guess is the equality of upper secondary school or somethin like that, with the alignement "art". So we have artclasses 2 times a week, but I'm still in "regular" school, not university.

Self taught I say! I think most highschools (even in the USA) have required art course curriculum. The general consensus is, highschool art and below does not count (unless of course you're apprenticed to someone etc).


Okay, Jen', I'm game. I'm gonna jump up and down on your head before this is over...and I'm senile, blind, and ate my fingers for lunch in 1978 (gotta stay away from those green pills with Popeye printed on 'em...).

SO graphically VIRENT!!! This challenge is becoming quite Rated-R! Omg you're so old! I might just let you win, since us youngins should respect our elders! What are you like 600 years old? Doesn't this give you an advantage, since you were probably friends with the people from that time period? Sheesh! Disqualified! That being said, the 600 year old people are always rally hot. Are you a vampire? Cool.

[Leari_79790]

I think I speak for everyone when I say that Ilaekae vs Jenzee should be the first match decided on!
Also, Once the dust has settled and all the smoke has cleared and The Self taughters are done whipping some mangy art school keister, it's just going to be a great day! yep.. that's all I have to say for myself right now!...

[Ilaekae]

Now that that shit is all settled...

Puleeeeze oben yo' bookz to page 659...





While we're waiting to officially start, can we do lookie-up and research to get a character to do without it bein' called cheatin'?

...and for the record, I'm actually 2,758 years old this January. Elmers Glue and those little car pine tree thingies are a real gawdsend...

[JenZee]

Hahaha, I dunno, if we did Ilaekae vs. Me, the world might explode? It's the Utlimate Showdown of Destiny!

I have finals week till the 14th :(.

[Ilaekae]

...and I've got stuff like the calendar and stuff...I'm guessing that Nerd' will look at the 35 vs. 35 and check the calendar for holiday conflicts, so we're prob'ly lookin' at January...

"Hahaha, I dunno, if we did Ilaekae vs. Me, the world might explode? It's the Utlimate Showdown of Destiny!"

...ummm...I was thinkin' more like the Marx Brothers do NASCAR... :P

[rodriguez]

Ive never been to art school but i have been taught at college and uni so
im in for team schooled

Lets get in on

[Ilaekae]

I'm thinkin' of claiming Temujin (Chingis or Ghengis Khan), 1162-1227, because I've always admired him as a role model. He was a hell of a lot more civilized and such than most of Europe at the time...and he was a short dude like me...

[chaosrocks]

I was thinking Eleanor of Aquataine... or Boudiccca (more creative license) any of you team selfies willing to take me on? bearing in mine that costume design is what I do....but I don't paint for crap

chaos

[Ostrander]

I'm thinkin' of claiming Temujin (Chingis or Ghengis Khan), 1162-1227, because I've always admired him as a role model. He was a hell of a lot more civilized and such than most of Europe at the time...and he was a short dude like me...

I think that whoever you're up against should do the same person. That way right from the begining the playing field is level in terms of subject. I guess my thoughts on it would be that what if someone does do Ghengis Khan and that persons opponent chose to do *Malijuwabbialumgabii, or some obsure character that noone except a "leet" few ever even heard of? Of course Ghengis is gonna draw the attention, people are gonna want to see that artists take on that. I'm just thinking out loud right now...

bearing in mine that costume design is what I do....but I don't paint for crap
Don't sell yourself short before the game has begun!

*Malijuwabbialumgabii - This character is fictional, any similarities to a person who is living or dead is purely coincidental.

[VirusArtist]

I'm thinkin' of claiming Temujin (Chingis or Ghengis Khan), 1162-1227, because I've always admired him as a role model. He was a hell of a lot more civilized and such than most of Europe at the time...and he was a short dude like me...

you are breaking my heart :\ oh well.. i'll take saladin then..

[chaosrocks]

Roxana Sultan? Livia? Agrippina
cleopatra ....

I have no objections to taking two historical people up against each other. Its more about the quality of the drawing that about the ability to research

even the Malijibwa,........ dude could be such a kickass drawing it wouldn't matter that know one had ever heard of him.....and if a normal encyclopedia (not wikipedia) shows him up as areal person I say its all good

of course one could make some one up. put him/her in Wiki. then site him/her as a real person..... but it sounds like a lot of work..and I think we have to assume there is some honour in this band of pirates..... more like guides lines......

chaos

[Ilaekae]

Nah...I think it would be more fun as a free-for-all, like King Mary of Hungary (did you know there was a KING Mary...female...?) against Vlad the impaler or something like that. And I don't mind if somebody else does the same subject as I though of...in fact, I'll probably change my mind a couple of times before I start my piece...(no brain cells left)...

How about we all play nice and help each other kill each other on this one? I think we adled Schoolies (at least til the official start) should post lists of possible characters from that era that most people may not know for possible ideas...I mean...y'gotta figure nearly all the Selfies gotta be illiterate and really can't google for the good shit or even look at a book like the rest of us overeducated imbeciles...can't be all that many picture-only books for historical figures...

[VirusArtist]

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/ (lots of pictures in those books, MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!)

[Ostrander]

It was just a thought, I'm up for anything really. I just thought it would be cool to see two artists interpretations on the same subject. It's not a big deal either way. Anywho...gotta run, I gotta male pinup to finish and the deadline is drawing near!! Ilae, you done yours yet? I see you lurking in here. :wink:

[chaosrocks]

http://www.costumes.org/
best costume reference on the web

cr

[chaosrocks]

get those pin-ups done boyz....I wanna see
chaos

[Ilaekae]

Workin' on the line art right now...I'll make it...in my usual fashion of "sort of..." Did I mention that I have buns and a winky in mine?

[look]

...can't be all that many picture-only books for historical figures...But picture-only books are good, for any subject. It was so difficult to understand the concept of calculus without visual aid.

[JenZee]

Nah...I think it would be more fun as a free-for-all, like King Mary of Hungary (did you know there was a KING Mary...female...?) against Vlad the impaler or something like that. And I don't mind if somebody else does the same subject as I though of...in fact, I'll probably change my mind a couple of times before I start my piece...(no brain cells left)...
...

I concur! Free for all will make it much more fun :). And yeah, I can't seem to think of anyone besides Vlad the Impaler, and honestly that's not very fun.... Or at least....very original :(. He's been drawn a million times haha! I mean.... half of me wants to...the other half doesn't XD!


Chaosrocks - I LOVE THAT SITE! I just used it last night for the steampunk thing haha. I go there for everything :)! More power to that site. I should send them an email of thanks XD!

[v0rbiss]

Since it won't be random draw(right?), I challenge j a k e ! He's been bugging me with his exquisite images in the Teen challenges, so I think it's showdown time!:xpld:

And Nerd, would you be so kind to mercifully grace us traditional artists(*cough*total n00b at photoshop*cough*) with slightly longer time for work? 2 weeks would be perfect, the "layers" function with the oils takes slightly longer than in PS I suppose. ;) ANd 2 weeks = 2 weekends, practically doubling my worktime.:confident Puny 4 days more, pls?:bashful: Besides, the lazy kemputar dorks will have some extra time to overtexture their pieces too! ;)

Btw, I really don't know why almost everybody wants to be in the "self-taught" team, like going to an art school or taking lessons is something to be ashamed of...Ah, the sweet bliss of ignorance! :P ;)

[JenZee]

Since it won't be random draw(right?), I challenge j a k e ! He's been bugging me with his exquisite images in the Teen challenges, so I think it's showdown time!:xpld:


I'm pretty sure it *is* random draw? I dunno, not my decision to make of course, but I thought we'd discussed and agreed on random... but who knows the inner workings on Nerd's mind?!

[Flake]

Assuming that the deadline isn't Christmas day or something, sign me up for the art school monkeys..

Edit: my vote is for random draw free for all.

It'd be funny though, if this random draw coincidentally happened to throw out Jen vs Ilaekae as the first match though..just saying..

[v0rbiss]

I'm pretty sure it *is* random draw? I dunno, not my decision to make of course, but I thought we'd discussed and agreed on random... but who knows the inner workings on Nerd's mind?!

I think I speak for everyone when I say that Ilaekae vs Jenzee should be the first match decided on! Hmm...so my english is shittyer than I tought, i suppose...

[Felicia]

I wanted to pick Vlad the Impaler or Joan of Arc but both of them are 1400's.
Maybe Attila the Hun..
I also think you should be able to pick your famous person.

[JenZee]

Pretty sure that was a joke... That's why I wasn't sure. I always though "shittyer" was spelled "Shittier?"

For all of you who can't think of someone: Look here: and fear no more! http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/

[v0rbiss]

Pretty sure that was a joke... That's why I wasn't sure. I always though "shittyer" was spelled "Shittier?"

For all of you who can't think of someone: Look here: and fear no more! http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/

That proves my english is "shittyer", I wasn't being sarcastic.:perv:

Great site btw, 10q!<3

[joelhinxman]

i wanted to do Boudiccca or saladin dang now i got to think of someone else.
i was gona do that berneus(sp)(old celtic king guy) guy but i cant remember how to spell his name so i cant find anything about him.

[look]

I might be able to think of some Chinese historical figures around that time period, as long as I can convert that western time to eastern dynasty equivalent. Now what's that name of the monk/budda priest who travelled with a monkey, a pig and something else all the way to india for the true teaching of Buddism?

[JenZee]

That proves my english is "shittyer", I wasn't being sarcastic.:perv:

Great site btw, 10q!<3

lol whoops sorry, I hope that didn't come out as snappy as it sounded haha. 10q~!!!! LOL nice transliteration.


look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West#Main_characters

or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuanzang

:)!!!! Dude good idea. I didn't even think about Journey to the West, but I was trying to root up info on some Chinese emperors haha. Is it the right time period though? A

[Ilaekae]

"...but who knows the inner workings on Nerd's mind?!"

Aaaahhh...it must be wunderful to be young with a mind...ummm...he does HAVE a mind, doesn't he?


;)

[JenZee]

*gets a wheelchair and blanky for Ilaekae* There there now.... let's get you back to your...padded room. ;D

I don't know, he *is* 18. Eighteen year olds are famous for their mindlessness.

I'm thinking of doing St. Patrick lol. Random.

[Ilaekae]

OO OO OO! I found this...I'll probably spend most of next week milking it...

http://historymedren.about.com/od/peopleplaces/People_and_Places_of_the_Middle_Ages.htm


...and I'm with vOrbiss on the two full weeks thing. I'd like to do a traditional painting for a change, and no matter how you cut it, they DO take longer...

[chaosrocks]

boudicca's too early..so'd cleopatra... Roxelana is too late damn..I was so looking forward to that haraam (1500)
Eleanor of Aquitaine is good though.. and she rode on crusade...in 1147

pope john/joan the VIII.....855...existance debatable
likewise Maid Marian

joan of arc is too late...1412
Queen Matilda 1102 4'2" and bossy
Theodora,, oriental spendor.....ex dancing girl... wife of Justinian Emperor of Byzantium-- 548

Hildegard von Bingham 12th century (barely in ) visionary
Hroswitha of Gandersheim--inventor of semi-modern theater

Heloise--- Abbess and letterwriter...usually seen with Peter Abelard

Beatrice portinari--- inspiration for Dante but a real person none-the -less.. 1266

I found this
http://womenshistory.about.com/library/bio/blbio_list_medieval.htm

you'll see a trend here
...

[look]

Btw, I really don't know why almost everybody wants to be in the "self-taught" team, like going to an art school or taking lessons is something to be ashamed of...Ah, the sweet bliss of ignorance! :P ;)
To me, it's not about want to be in as a selfie, but rather not want to be in on "Art School Artist". Cause the wording gave me the impression you need to go through a real art school. It's like calling yourself programmer just because you took one class on how to use Windows, or refer yourself as an engineer after taking one physics class.


Jen: Thanks for the link. <3 I only wish that monkey is a real person too. XD And yep, the Tang Dynasty falls within the 300-1500A.D. period. I was also considering painting the empress Wu ZeTian. But the monk seems more interesting.

[rodriguez]

if i was choosing i think i'd go for william wallace born around 1272

[JenZee]

To me, it's not about want to be in as a selfie, but rather not want to be in on "Art School Artist". Cause the wording gave me the impression you need to go through a real art school. It's like calling yourself programmer just because you took one class on how to use Windows, or refer yourself as an engineer after taking one physics class.


Jen: Thanks for the link. <3 I only wish that monkey is a real person too. XD And yep, the Tang Dynasty falls within the 300-1500A.D. period. I was also considering painting the empress Wu ZeTian. But the monk seems more interesting.

OMG Empress Wu ZeTian was what I was thinking too!!!! The b*tch empress haha. I think it's her... there's a statue of her in China that you're supposed to spit on :). She was the only person I could think of XD!!! I'm debating between her, and St. Patrick :d.

[joelhinxman]

might go with Ruaidri mac Tairrdelbach Ua Conchobair ......high king of ireland 1166-1186. or mabey his son Conchobar Maenmaige Ua Conchobhair.

[chaosrocks]

Saint Bridget ?Brigid...who may or may not have been the manifestation of a pagan goddess...hung out with Patrick. And 2 weeks would be nice... let the paint dry a little between sessions

[JenZee]

Saint Bridget ?Brigid...who may or may not have been the manifestation of a pagan goddess...hung out with Patrick. And 2 weeks would be nice... let the paint dry a little between sessions

We could have a saint-partay! :cheerleader:

Or *maybe* I could do Hua Mulan! Warrrior gals go!

[look]

OMG Empress Wu ZeTian was what I was thinking too!!!! The b*tch empress haha. I think it's her... there's a statue of her in China that you're supposed to spit on :). She was the only person I could think of XD!!! I'm debating between her, and St. Patrick :d.
If you can read Chinese, this page has a list of famous Chinese historical figures: http://www.cycnet.com/encyclopedia/history/person/index.htm

side note: darn it, CaoCao(曹操) was born a hundred years too early, I'd love to paint him or those from the Three-Kingdom period. T T

[Ilaekae]

Found a couple off the beaten path asia/africa types...

1235-Sundjata (Sundiata) Keita (Afr)
639-Khalif Omar (Afr)
1250-Shagrat al-Durr, FEMALE Sultan of Egypt
354-Augustine of Hippo (Afr)
390-Gaiseric/Geiseric/Genseric (Mil. Afr)
496-Pope Gelasius I (Afr)
370-Hypatia of Alexandria, kewl chick (Afr)
1137-Saladin (Salah Ad-din Yusuf Ibn Ayyub), invented salad I think (Afr.)
347-Saint Jerome (Eusebius Hieronymous) wrote Vulgate Bible (Afr)
450-Attila the Hun (asia)
1200±-Genghis Khan (asia)
1254-1324-Marco Polo (Ital)
573-Abu Bakr (First Muslim Caliph)
709-775- Abu Ja'far al Mansur (Arabian big shit)
763-809- Harun al-Rashid (This is the dude who inspired the 1000 and one Nights tales)
600± Muhammad (The great prick himself...no offense)
1072-1112- Prince Tancred de Hauteville (Crusader)
625-705- Empress Wu Zetian (Only FEMALE chinese emperor)
640±- Queen Sondok of Korea
1215-Yeh-lu Chu'tsai (Great Chinese/Mongol Shaman)
850-929- Albategnius (Arab astronomer and mathematician)
1029-1072- Alp Arslan (Seljuk Sultan)

I'll work on europe later. Most of you probably have easy access to euro history anywayz...

ADD: OH MAN! I'm droppin' the ball here...

Wasn't this period (800-1200?) when the creepy Popes were in charge? It was called the "Pornocracy" and they spent mst of their time plotting to kill each other, sleep with each other's mistresses/wives/daughters, and really good stuff like that. I remember one who was hated so much, he was dug up long after he died (murdered) and propped up on a throne for trial. Then they tossed his bones in the River. It was a good party time--kinda like The National Enquirer meets Religion in Duffy's Bar and Grill...

[Flake]

if i was choosing i think i'd go for william wallace born around 1272
FREEEEEEDDDOOOOM!!!

[Leari_79790]

And Nerd, would you be so kind to mercifully grace us traditional artists(*cough*total n00b at photoshop*cough*) with slightly longer time for work? 2 weeks would be perfect, the "layers" function with the oils takes slightly longer than in PS I suppose. ;) ANd 2 weeks = 2 weekends, practically doubling my worktime.:confident

Hahaha I'm using oils as well Vorbis-sizer, but I suppose exceptions can be made to suit us traditionalists,haha. Oh no wait, you're on team schooled aren't you? in that case then, there will be no exceptions.:needle:

Also, I was thinking of doing Duke Reginald the crusader, who broke a peace treaty and stole Saladin's sister, After Saladin dispatched his weak army Reginald was offered death or accepting Mohammed as the prophet, when he refused Saladin killed him with his own hand. Didn't they have fun in Jerusalem?:dur:

And in all seriousness though, if I'm 18 for this challenge maybe in the next T-Dome I'll be a 59 year old camel driver.

[rodriguez]

Yeah i'm gonna totally rewrite history on mel's crazy drunken ass:teeth:

[v0rbiss]

Ditch the saints, Buddah and Muhammad(sp?) were both born in that timespan if I'm not terribly mistaken. :needle:

[joelhinxman]

smeg i really wanted to do Brennus but he/they where in 300-200bc

smeg so is Vercingetorix

[chaosrocks]

the reall ycreepy popes were later
the Borgia and Medici ones.....15-16c
I mean yeah Ida loved to do lucretzia borgia
damn I missed Hypatia

this is Fun.. somebody challenge me so I can make decisions!!!
chaos

[look]

Ditch the saints, Buddah and Muhammad(sp?) were both born in that timespan if I'm not terribly mistaken. :needle:
I think the founder of Budda was born sometime in B.C. era. Quite an old guy compare to Jesus and Mahammud

It seems some of us can't wait till the team is formed. And 35 seems to be quite a large number, how about let the ones who want to get it started chose their opponent (or get those a partner randomly) and start their round first?

[Ilaekae]

I prefer waiting til we get more vermin signed up...a good many of us are in the process of finishing off other comps, and the holidays are going to start screwing with everybody's minds. Besides, I thought we were doing random "smack everybody" stuff rather than personal matchups... I mean...so I get Coro. After I beat the crayon wax out of him, it doesn't necessarily prove I'm better than...say...Sundance, does it? I thought the whole argument was to prove who was best...and if there's a problem, we can have special awards for the Selfies so they don't get mad...


:P

[look]

I was afraid this would take more than a month to fill up and another month to get it started, then by that time, I'd either forget or got too busy to participate.

I see your point on the pick-match. I was thinking if participants choosing ones that are more around their own level, it'd be more fair to see which side has the stronger force, since random match up may throw less-experienced artists against the pros.

[chaosrocks]

them's the breaks cookies.....
chaos

[sve]

I would like to participate if it's not too late. What a great idea and just the list of those famous villains and philosophers made me all excited!
Self taught.

[Leari_79790]

I prefer waiting til we get more vermin signed up...a good many of us are in the process of finishing off other comps, and the holidays are going to start screwing with everybody's minds.


:P

Then we shall wait! O wise one.

Ilaekae, since you like running errands so much, you should find an unbiased moderator who can do the judging and who won't mind having all 70 entries sent to his inbox. Either that or I do the judging myself....


Just out of interest who's going to be doing a tyrannt or bad guy/gal?
I will be, I think it reflects on my inner desire for power and corruption in some way.

-Nerdlinger:perv:

[Ilaekae]

I shall do thy evil bidding as were I Igor himself, oh puny pre-pubic master. If it pleases thee, be sure and hold thy breath whilest I scurry about and search out the seers and oracles thee require...

:confident


(When I talk to the possibles, I may screw with the schedule a bit with your permission, because the pros usually go through deadline hell around Christmas/New years...)

[sve]

I might go for a villain... most of them ( great people) were sociopaths anyway :). I might take an advantage being born in Russia and do something from its history. It had a very blooooody history. A lot of scumbags. or I might pick some hero. Women are very often too picturesque to ignore.

BTW, Muhammad is no no to draw. You people are free to do anything you want. but I will restrain from this, it is just matter of tolerance to other people belief for me...

Guys. lets talk about history too, lets enrich each other through this contest... I want to wisened up fast and huge :).

I might start first.
http://www.answers.com/topic/ivan-i-of-russia
Ivan I of Russia. Ivan Kalita. "Collector of Russia". Sly and insightful Moscow prince, He gained trust of Mongol Golden Horde leader, khan Muhammad Ozbeg.
Collecting taxes for him Ivan Kalita became very wealthy and made Moscow a very rich city. By giving so called high percentage loans to other Russian rich cities combined them under Moscow influence and made Russia united and powerful. Smart, economic, insightful, expert of human nature and human weakness.

[Sundance]

I wil sign on with the schoolies. Three years fighting with instructors at Oklahma State about what is "art" qualifies me. I don't have a clue who I'll do. I don't care who I go up against. Random is cool, pickey-choosey is fine too. I'm certain I'd get smoked but going up against a major talent like Sinix or Oblio (no matter what he says) is a joy...nothing will push me more.

[Leari_79790]

(When I talk to the possibles, I may screw with the schedule a bit with your permission, because the pros usually go through deadline hell around Christmas/New years...)

haha, cunning ploy old son, you just want your extension on the deadline because you'll be using trad means! BUT since I will be using trad means also, I think an extra few days may do it..


Guys. lets talk about history too, lets enrich each other through this contest... I want to wisened up fast and huge

It's either that or we talk smack.

[llothcat]

decisions...decisions...
I've been facinated by Byzantium stuff for some time. Now I gotta choose between Theodora or Justinian.

i know i'll likely get my butt kicked

[xenos]

if we are gonna do this in january, then count me in (in seftaughts :P)
ummm.. i might do Torquemada :teeth:

[chaosrocks]

Torquemada is 15th century.......1483....
there's equally horrid guys earlier

chaos

[Ilaekae]

"haha, cunning ploy old son, you just want your extension on the deadline because you'll be using trad means! BUT since I will be using trad means also, I think an extra few days may do it.."

Actually, my slime-festooned master of all He Can Smell, I was referring to the start date more than anything else. I'm trying not to get any complications/conflicts with the holiday period. I can do a painting in three days or less (can you spell A C R Y L I C ?) if you wanna go oriface to slimey oriface... :wink:

[Zarett]

I wanna do Emma, countess of Norfolk, whose castle was besieged while her husband was off crusading or whatever, and who took command of her husband's guard and made herself enough of a problem that the besiegers gave up on trying to capture her and her people and just let her go (they did, unfortunately, get the castle...)

I think she has like a totally awesome name, mainly.

[xenos]

Torquemada is 15th century.......1483....
there's equally horrid guys earlier

damn, i thought he lived earlier :(
..umm, mayby i could draw vikings or possibly some kung fu master :P

but anyway, will we start this this year or early next year?

[Oblio]

lets have it next year - it will suit me better. anyway... your call.

[look]

I hope it doesn't start in the middle of January, since I'm planning a two-week trip around that time. >.<

[Dile_]

I have no idea whats going on, but if thers still to be a challenge, im in,
im self thaught...

[v0rbiss]

Hey, I was thinking about that challenge, and some very interesting/complex toughts started to form in my skull.:perv:

-what if one of the guys in a certain match-up decides to take Atilla for examlple(maybe he's not illegible, np), and makes him riding a horse, with burning city for a bg. The other guy makes a monk in brownish robe. Inevitably, the Atilla guy's image looks more interesting, just because of the action going on, how's that fair, I ask!?!?\w/ Maybe we need more strict rules for the subject matter, or?

That's all for now.:^^;:

[Flake]

Na, "monk in brown robe" guy just needs to make sure that he spanks the other chap with awesome technique or composition.

If the subject matter is up to you then it's entirely up to you whether you make a cool picture out of it or not.

/2p worth.

[Ilaekae]

vOrbiss, this is a test of your best... Your best should allow you to make a road-killed turnip look incredible.

I heard a couple people mention "boooooring" when various subjects are mentioned throughout the forum. There is no such thing as boring subjects, just boring artists who are to lazy to investigate their subject and present it/him/her to its best. Gimme a teenage bookworm or a chick hiding in a rubbish can as a subject over a ninja or the King of the Demons any day. It's the challenge that makes great art, not the choice of subject matter.

[JenZee]

lookzomg! I can't read Chinese well X_X. DAMMIT If I ever needed to know how more than today!!!! lol I should go take Chinese lessons.

DTempt There is aaaaaalways room for more :)! Nerdlinger just needs to update the list!

V0rbiss No way! It's yer own darn fault if you decide to make something like some random monk in a brown robe. It should be like a MECHA monk in brown body armor, shooting all non-believers....or something ;). The entire idea is that you're supposed to push yourself to higher ground in order to beat someone else out of thegame :)! Do something fun, cool, something that will make the viewers go "damn...wow!" whether it be the concept, or the execution etc.

[Leari_79790]

The basic idea of this contest is to have a single figure with enough interest and compostional merits to have him looking great. Therefore no knight on horseback, personally I'm relying on the pose and facial expression of my figure to win me my match. And win I shall or my real name isn't Hans Nerdlinger! and if you're really desperate for your picture to have that winning edge, use some far out perspective...or bribe me..

[entdroid]

I'm in if it's not too late.

I think I'm kinda in the middle of the two groups there, 'cause even though I've never placed a foot in Art School, I'm THIS close to becoming a Visual Communication Design licentiate (which is a sort of fancy name for Graphic Design, but doesn't it sound all important and all? :P). So I guess I should go with the School people, right?

[Ilaekae]

It's MY intention to beat your little ass to a pulp, Oh Great Master of Wiggly Things, and that is why I will be doing my piece drunk after no sleep for four days while wearing a blindfold and leather mittens while painting in the dark...with food color...on toilet paper...while running on a treadmill...covered with snail slime...

[chaosrocks]

cmon sunny..I see you lurking there.... ante up...
chaos

[JenZee]

Nerdlinger - Does it have to be just one figure? I was gonna us two X_X. And I'm sure there will be those who want to make big crowd scenes? Maybe... I dunno. Let me know, I might have to revamp my "vision" hahahha.

entroid well... you sound self taught to me... This isn't really about what you *want* to be, but what you currently are ;)... Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean...

Yeah sundance, throw your hat in! Let's gooooooo!!!

[Beelow]

I got 3 contest I am doing including Eon challenge and Male pin-up. But count me in anyways. I'll see what I can come up with! XD

I am with the schooled.

[Ilaekae]

Do Siamese twins count as one or two figures?




Okayokayokay...jus' askin'...

[entdroid]

entroid well... you sound self taught to me... This isn't really about what you *want* to be, but what you currently are ;)... Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean...


I really don't mind in which team I am. I actually DO consider myself self taught art-wise, but since a lot of "in the middle/not sure" people were put in the School team, I figured maybe my Graphic Design education meant I should be in the School team. Also, since in many countries Graphic Design IS taught in art school (not here though) it could be confusing for some people, so I guess I wanted to simplify, but it seems it didn't work :P
I dunno, am I making any more sense now?

[Ilaekae]

Eh...you work in vector...and everybody knows none of us vector people make sense...:confident

[Flake]

If you have "graphic design education" you're art school I'd say.

Therefore no knight on horseback,

Damn, my guy is a knight.. I suppose I can portray him before or after the "mounted knight" antics though..:)

[entdroid]

Eh...you work in vector...and everybody knows none of us vector people make sense...:confident

"People"? :x

[Ilaekae]

Shhhhhhhhh...we don't wanna alert anyone til it's too late...

[look]

Damn, my guy is a knight.. I suppose I can portray him before or after the "mounted knight" antics though..:)
I'm picturing a guy hastely getting on a horse, or falling off one. mhmmmm :wink:

Jen: If you are doing any Chinese historic figures, I'm more than happy to dig up some Chinese site and translate it for you. :) (assuming you can understand my Chinglish)

[Leari_79790]

Nerdlinger - Does it have to be just one figure? I was gonna us two

Awwwww.:P

Alright fellow nerds, it seems I have haven't been too clear or some people haven't listened too well (the latter seems more realistic) as to exactly what sort of image we're after. EXAMPLE!

This is what inspired me to pick up arms for this battle of team against team and everyone needs to use this as an example. Super.

Also, a certain member with extremely advanced age and 1,549 posts who has been talking the talk is in danger of being "randomly" paired up with the best of the Self taught artists..heheehe
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1391/aesopeurej6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[sve]

Where is your sketchbook, the best self taught artist :)? Age is irrelevant to this contest. :) Yeah, I know you meant well.

[Sundance]

cmon sunny..I see you lurking there.... ante up...
chaos

Already did sweetie...post 123. As usual, we're running on the same team! :teeth:

[Leari_79790]

Where is your sketchbook, the best self taught artist :)?

Haha, no I didn't mean me. hmm, or didn't I?..nah, no I didn't. :teeth:

[sve]

How is your reading and hearing, buddy? I asked where is your sketch book, the best self taught artist :).

[Leari_79790]

Awww, you do mean me! you love me, you really love me!

[sve]

Where is your sketch book, my loved one :)?

[Felicia]

So to clarify even more:
Painting #1 is okay but painting #2 would be disqualified, right?
Is there a limit to objects or animals?
Is there a rule on indoors or outdoors?
Sorry to be so nit picky but one portrait by Velásquez does not sum up all the possibilities of portraiture.

Painting 1#
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o229/feliciacano/Velazquez_Philip_IV_in_Brown_and_Si.jpg

Painting 2#

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o229/feliciacano/Velazquez_Diego_Allegorical_Portrai.jpg

[JenZee]

Daaaaaaaaaamit I hate you! I had the most grand idea!!!! Do angels count as people!?!?!?!?! Darn! Can I have one and a HALF? Now I have to rethink. *shakes fist at teammate* WHY DO YOU HOLD ME BACK?!?!!? lol.

Lookie - omg m'dear I would not make you do that :) Thanks so much for the offer though *snuggle*! I appreciate it~!

[Felicia]

Sorry, I wanted to do a crazy complicated piece too..
Angels aren't people, neither are horseys and kitties so we should be able to have them right?
So unless the rules state specifically that animals, angels, etc are not allowed I believe we have a strong argument for including them.
:wink:

[Sundance]

What about embryos? I'd like to include some in my painting...are they people?

>:D

[Leari_79790]

Maybe I should be a bit more leniant and say that for example, James the Heretic was a mule tamer, so therefore he should be allowed to be included with his trusted mule whose name was, oh I don't know, let's say Ilaekae, because that explains who he was. Now! that shouldn't mean that someone like Pope Urban since he was a Pope should be allowed to have angels flying around his head. AS LONG AS THE EXTRA'S WERE PART OF YOUR PERSONS LIFE AND ARE ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO EXPLAIN THAT PERSONS LIFE. Although something like that picture of King Phillip there is a bit extravigant and 5 of the 6 people aren't neccesary, nor is the globe!

BTW I'm starting to sound like a hall monitor or something.

[j a k e]

Yeah umm... this is becoming very complicated, so many restrictions. i think we should just paint! I think it would be SO boring to see what...70 pictures? all with just one person standing there with no stimulus, no eye catching figures, no angels. I just think whatever works should be how it goes. My 2 cents :)

[VirusArtist]

well.. i beg to differ..

I think the diversity comes with the persona.. for instance, if you relate a picture of snorri sturluson (13th century islandic monk who wrote the "prose edda") with a picture of alexandr nevsky (13th century russian hero who fought the swedes), you'll see a lot of differences.

not just in terms of costume design (a simple monk's robe vs. a heavily detailled russian/slavic armour) but also in terms of posture and enviroment (snorry studying various transscripts of scandinavian legends in the library vs. alenxandr heroicly pointing his sowrd towards the unseen enemy on a hill).

now relate that to ghengis khan throning in a yurt and saladin praying to mekka before battle.

that is, of course, if the choices of the artists here focus on different types of historic personae and not just on medieval war heroes.

[Ilaekae]

"So Genghis Khan in a maternity ward with his 896 kids around him for a family pic is okay?" asked the donkey...

Screw it...maybe I'll do a dead pope...







SENILITY! The only answer to brash raw talent that can't change its own diaper yet!

[chaosrocks]

um except for slight historical anacronism of the hun maternity ward.. I have no problem with that as long as we know clearly who and which is the central figure. why this fixation with Gengis.... how about Kubla ,,, the luxury loving one...."In xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure dome decree......etc. take a little opium for inspiration and your good to go....assuming you can get the hooves/paws to hold a brush while tanked up on opium.......

Im not scared of angels....putti.....nightmare dreams...kittehs horsies..or what ever... I think any intellegent judge can make an artistic judgement between a quiet monk and a battling knight.....and not be swayed by mannered and artificial dynamism in to prefering an inferior artwork just because its busy with extra stuff.

gotta believe in the judges....Ilae....who are the judges? in any case I prefer fewer restrictions please

choas

[v0rbiss]

Whoa, calm down everybody, I do infact know that a simple portrain of a guy in a monk's robe can be 1000x better than composition crammed with angels, demons, mechas and naked old men. ;) (Rembrandt's "Titus as a monk" comes to mind)
But to say that full-fledged action scene doesn't get bonus attention points is a bit strange.(hehe) Besides, nobody here is Velasquez/Rembrandt/Caravaggio/etc. right?:blah: Anyhow, the issue was cleared by Nerd, I just want to show how clever I am! 8)

[chaosrocks]

dunno..maybe one of us is...we're just hiding it in a sneaky fashion. Ilae kinda looks like a demented Leonardo.......

chaos

[Flake]

in any case I prefer fewer restrictions please


Same here.

[voraz]

is it still open? if it is count me in for the school team!

[Sundance]

This thread is starting to make me wanna throw up.

[Ilaekae]

...then our work is done here...

[v0rbiss]

One of the few good threads nowadays!/m\

P.S. Vote Ilae for the new demented Leonardo!(The old one died, long ago...)

[Leari_79790]

One of the few good threads nowadays!/m\

Yes, unfortunately it's all going to end in the merciless slaughtering of the Art school tribe. :dead:

Btw VirusArtist houses a good point, an all action heroic pose is no better than a solem pensive one, because this tournament is about how much tender love you paint into your figure, be he a tyrannical warlord or not.

[ikuru]

Yeah, I like to sign up in the school team too, allthough I do think I learned most by myself. ArtSchool is more like a cool passtime and a sweet place to meet girls and drink booz

[v0rbiss]

Yeah, [B]ArtSchool is more like a cool passtime and a sweet place to meet girls and drink booz

If you don't value your chance to actually learn something, sure this is all there is about any art school, or any school for that matter. ;)

On the horses and stuff, use condoms. Exlamation mark.

[entdroid]

I found my guy!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante)

[NicoRaven]

Self taught. Want to play. Sign me up!

[Ostrander]

I found my guy!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante)

You stole my guy!!!! (http://rhinohidestudios.com/images/gollum.jpg)

[sve]

No, you are not late, NocoRaven, we, self taughties are outnumbered badly. We can end up beaten mercilessly just because there are few of us. But if I go I will take two schoolers with me. :angel:

[Mehz]

I want in ;d.
I r self taught.

[Leari_79790]

ALRIGHT!!!!!! 33 more team mates needed.

I also don't know guys, 33 is a big number maybe we should crop it down or something, cos I'm hankering to do some school spankering. All those Schoolers who say no are just prolonging the proverbial wax on wax off from team supreme.

Also, I hope everyone is still aware of the rules!!!

[Ilaekae]

Don't anybody get freaky! I'm wearing 12 pounds of Cad Orange Liquitex and a vector-controlled deadman switch! Any Selphie reaches for a brush and we're all gonna look like Anita Bryant...




Add: Give it another week, and post a note/challenge out in the Lounge where people who don't come in here often might see it, maybe...and use little bitty words. I'm finding out some of these people never went to school... :P:xpld:

[sve]

Lets bait some naive schoolers to our side... Schoolers, schoolers, we're here chewing lobsters and drinking Champaign. Come to see for yourselves.

[Ostrander]

Lets bait some naive schoolers to our side... Schoolers, schoolers, we're here chewing lobsters and drinking Champaign. Come to see for yourselves.

From the looks of your team sve, you're gonna need all the help you can get. ;)

[sve]

Why is that? It is an outrage. We are enormously good-looking people!!! You are going down, mister, you are going down first!

[Ostrander]

neener,neener ...

[Leari_79790]

Sve, while it is true we're eating lobster, we're not that generous as to let geeky schoolers onto the winning side, they made their bed and soon they'll have to sleep in it.

ILAEKAE! how are you getting on with sorting out a judge? bearing in mind that if you haven't found one soon, I will annoint myself as judge....hahaha

Also, I suppose I should make a thread in the lounge...unless someone else wants to...

[sve]

I will prevail! and throw your skinny body, Ostrander, to crazy African ants who will finish the dirty deed for me! You will regret not being on your knees right now asking for forgiveness! On your knees and pray!!!!

[Ostrander]

I will prevail! and throw your skinny body, Ostrander, to crazy African ants who will finish the dirty deed for me! You will regret not being on your knees right now asking for forgiveness! On your knees and pray!!!!


Wow, fiesty! You sound like a woman scorned...I would have never thought my comment would have enraged you like this. There must be some deep seeded memories in your closet of being picked on by schoolies or something. ;)

[sve]

You just want our lobsters (throwing a rope with a lobster tail into direction of an abuser.) Come on, fishie....

[Leari_79790]

Why don't you two PM your smack talk to each other, because I have a feeling you both enjoy talking to each other.

Edit: Sve vs Ostrander sounds good to me!

[sve]

Well. it is only history talk then :).
He is dead already.

[Ilaekae]

I say we get a couple cases of vodka, go over an' eat their damn lobsters, get 'em drunk and sign 'em all up to some art school in Alabama while they're passed out...

[NicoRaven]

Could someone please lay out the rules once more.

This is what I understand.

Portraiture historical figure 400- 1500 time period I think dont exactly remember. will scan for that.

What can get you DQed. Drawings , unnecessary elements that do not tell the story well. what does that mean exactly? Also is there even a projected start date for the competition?

it would help the see what programs/ methods are allowed. Maybe I'm new as this or maybe just abit slow but after reading all the post. I think the first post needs more meat to it at least.

Color Images. Are paintings the only qualifying medium or can digital works also be included. Can I color with crayons and pencils and submit it. Can I retouch in a paint or ps oven? Or can I do the best that I can at what ever I do best be it ps, hand drawing, crayola or whatsoever?

This is a great idea I just feel a whole lot of unsure on the rough spots. So can you put down a thicker line for me. plz oh plZZZZ

it would be great to attach a image like whats on page 2 of what not to do. if that not too much trouble
To: Nerdlinger

Newbie Goodness spreads like cooties

[Ostrander]

I say we get a couple cases of vodka, go over an' eat their damn lobsters, get 'em drunk and sign 'em all up to some art school in Alabama while they're passed out...

Seconded!

[sve]

Lobster with vodka, :$ OMG. Those schoolers don't know how to behave around decent people. No wonder. they were never allowed beyond the kitchen!

I need some sugar daddy to hold my hand through Alabama art school.

[Ostrander]

Sve vs Ostrander sounds good to me!

Ok, I'll drink some vodka and slap her around with some lobsters. Sounds good to me!

[Ilaekae]

For NicoRaven and others who can't seem to figure out what our rambling brain-dead organizer is doing (forgive him...he's unschooled...)...

To repeat the rules in a clear way with little bitty words...

1. Competition will run 10 days.

2. Competition start date will be determined in next week or so, based on how many entrants we get. We want as many as possible.

3. Subject is to be a REAL person from anywhere who lived within 300 AD to 1300 AD, done in any fashion you wish, as long as it's in color. We're looking for a portrait type of thing, and must be FULL FIGURE! No head shots, people...

4. It must be traditionally or digitally painted...IN COLOR. In any appropriate medium.

5. No drawings/sketches/roughs as such will be allowed. The idea is to execute a "finished portrait" of your subject in the classic sense, whether your approach is classical or not.

6. Only your best is required. Anything above that will be appreciated.

7. There will be a judge/judges. Exactly who I'm not sure yet, because my little group of potentials aren't drunk enough to ask yet.

8. If you are self-taught, have your special "other" read this to you... :P



Igor

[Ostrander]

1. Competition will run 10 days.

2. Competition start date will be determined in next week or so, based on how many entrants we get. We want as many as possible.

3. Subject is to be a REAL person from anywhere who lived within 300 AD to 1300 AD, done in any fashion you wish, as long as it's in color. We're looking for a portrait type of thing, and must be FULL FIGURE! No head shots, people...

4. It must be traditionally or digitally painted...IN COLOR. In any appropriate medium.

5. No drawings/sketches/roughs as such will be allowed. The idea is to execute a "finished portrait" of your subject in the classic sense, whether your approach is classical or not.

6. Only your best is required. Anything above that will be appreciated.

7. There will be a judge/judges. Exactly who I'm not sure yet, because my little group of potentials aren't drunk enough to ask yet.

8. If you are self-taught, have your special "other" read this to you...



Hear that Sve? #8 was meant for you.>:D

[sve]

Herring only for you, :dur: . Lobster for ones who saw enlightenment.
I'll take the challenge. 8)

[Ostrander]

Herring only for you, :dur: . Lobster for ones who saw enlightenment.
I'll take the challenge. 8)
Wonderful, were do I sign?

[sve]

On your unwashed forehead with a wet finger.

[Ilaekae]

This is soOOOOOoooo embarrassing...would you two PUH-leeeeeeze get a room....

[Ostrander]

On your unwashed forehead with a wet finger.
Yeah, schoolies stole your books didn't they?

[sve]

Herrings eaters. all of you.
I'll fight you all!

[Ostrander]

aaaawww, c'mon sve, I was just teasin'. I'll leave you alone till the comp.

[sve]

I love company, and you might pick up something smart from me.. God knows you need that. ;).

[JenZee]

SVE is a terror. I'm glad she's on my team :).

Running 10 days? I thought it was going to be two weeks... Can we do two weeks :/. I have finals, work, two comissions :(.

[Ostrander]

Me sayin' hi to sve and her response...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-708218345413567790

[sve]

Look at these teeth three times a day. They mean business for you.

[Ilaekae]

Jen', the Nerdule hasn't actually said it would be extended to two weeks yet, though I'm hoping he does it. Just makes more sense.

[Blahm]

i went to the Art Institute of las vegas for 2 weeks. But im not going to be on the art school team. SIGN ME UP NAVE!!!!!!

[Undertow]

damn.. if I can wrestle up some free time are there still slots for this one? If so, put me in the self taught category, and I'll take on whoever wants a piece.
-Mike V

[Rich Pellegrino]

this sounds like a lot of fun. sign me in under art schooler.

[Steve255]

i do good stick drawing of big old man. me good art man. me teach me by me own!

(sign me up plz in the self taught section, thanks!)

[Jens]

sounds cool

sign me up on the self taught side

[Leari_79790]

For NicoRaven and others who can't seem to figure out what our rambling brain-dead organizer is doing (forgive him...he's unschooled...)...

All of that may be true, but I'm still the organiser!

Running 10 days? I thought it was going to be two weeks... Can we do two weeks :/. I have finals, work, two comissions

If you started your pic now, it might be another 4 days before we get the spaces filled then 10+4= 2weeks!!:}

[Octothreat]

If this thing starts after the 15th, I'll be in. If not, I don't think Ill have time. Im in school now, you can fit me wherever you need somebody.

[Noë]

ehh I'm currently in team self taught, bút I do take a figure drawing course, which means I did pay for art training in a way :P

??

:P

EDIT; oh I disagree with no drawings; a colour pencil drawing that's finished would fit the rules right? Or something done in pastels :P
Ah well who cares :P It's just a bit weird that you say "any medium as long as it's in colour' first and then you go "only traditional or digital paintings allowed" hihi ^^

lots of love
Marleen

[JenZee]

If you started your pic now, it might be another 4 days before we get the spaces filled then 10+4= 2weeks!!:}

I still vote for two weeks from starting point!!!!


Andddddddddd I change my mind... I'm doing LEIF ERIKSON!!!! WOOT!

Nerdling - Oh and I guess since we're doing matches, you should put me in for a match versus ILAEKAE WHO'S NAME I CANNOT PRONOUNCE!!!! BRING IT SISTAH!!!!! Really old....sistah. Wasn't there someone who challenged Jake as well?

[ikuru]

Yeah Im in! And where gonne fuck you up Kids!
IMPORTANT QUESTION: Anyhow, how do we knowpeople arent cheating and allready started the painting? The theme should only be specifyed once the starting bell rings. I learned that in school, ;)

And...
What are the rules for background characters? If I choose someone whos insane for example, surly I must be allowed to paint the insanety (halucinations etc) right?

[YVerloc]

I'll jump in on the schooled team if there's room and the start date is in the new year.

[amer-nazri]

Hey everybody, if there's still room, I'd like to join the league of scholars.

Time to kick some uneducated butt.

[entdroid]

You stole my guy!!!! (http://rhinohidestudios.com/images/gollum.jpg)

I so didn't! I'm not doing Gollum! :P

(Besides, it's not "your guy" if you don't call it out, mister!)

[Flake]

IMPORTANT QUESTION: Anyhow, how do we knowpeople arent cheating and allready started the painting? The theme should only be specifyed once the starting bell rings. I learned that in school, ;)


Na, this is CA remember, no-one will start until the night before the deadline anyway.. Or is that just me..? :)

I've been signed up since Saturday and haven't gotten any further than skimming a few history websites looking for ideas..

If I choose someone whos insane for example, surly I must be allowed to paint the insanety (halucinations etc) right?[/COLOR][/B]
Yeah, I'd say that's fine by the rules but wait for confirmation from the beardy unschooled organiser..

[Mr-Joe]

Sounds fun, can I join, self taught? I'm no pro, but I can put forth an effort.

[sve]

Nerdlinger, do you have some sentimental feeling to the other team? Or you don't have your special one to read you? Please remove the #8 from the first page list of requirements.
We need to investigate you, what your roots are. Sounds like a treason to me.

[NicoRaven]

I completely agree with above comments.
The exact theme should not be specified until the comp actually starts

Will some new unknown element be added to insure no one cheats is cheating or will cheat. Seeing as how time is definitely a factor.

[vigostar]

Im in.. Self-taught here...

[ikuru]

I completely agree with above comments.
The exact theme should not be specified until the comp actually starts

Will some new unknown element be added to insure no one cheats is cheating or will cheat. Seeing as how time is definitely a factor.
For sure! Time is what its all about, well for us noobs anyway, I think the people who been doing CG for 10 years or whatever will develope in speed and do mastery in hours but for us just getting started time is a major factor, I would suggest changing either the theme or the centuaty or something like that when the comp starts.

[ah.heng]

oh come on, this isn't about winning. who cares whether or someone else had a year's headstart.

i'm in schooled.

[sve]

I agree with ah.heng. Our crazy, talking to himself, lost in woods organizer mentioned something about love you put in your character. I liked that.

[ikuru]

this isn't about winning.

ehr, I thought that was the whole point dude. ;)

[chaosrocks]

OMG ..the high rollers are rolling in to the selfies.... yikes

whats the current count?
and 2 weeks sounds good

I haven't decided who yet..either to paint to to challenge.....

chaos

[ah.heng]

ehr, I thought that was the whole point dude. ;)

the point is to learn from the experience. no one's stopping you from starting now if you want to win that badly.

[ikuru]

i want to expirience winning ;) I´ll stick to the rules though, no satisfaction in winning by cheating.

[Rich Pellegrino]

Nerdlinger, you sure talk a lot of smack for someone that has never shown any of they're artwork...what's that all about?

[s.ketch]

Oh hey, there's more to CA.org than the lounge! :D

If there's room, self-taught please.

[mrgrumble]

Jot me down for the art school if there is room!

[Ostrander]

Nerdlinger, you sure talk a lot of smack for someone that has never shown any of they're artwork...what's that all about?


He's actually not an artist at all, he's a book publisher, trying to get as many people as he can all riled up and involved so after everyone submits their work, he's gonna run off, make a book and sell millions... m..i..l..l..i..o..n..s...

[Rich Pellegrino]

sounds E..V..I..L.. to me. You publishers are all the same!

[chaosrocks]

actually he's writing a dissertation... and we are the lab rats... but of course you non-schoolies wouldn't have any idea what that might be about....

chaos

[Ostrander]

Wow, chaos is kickin' it up a notch. Did someone spike her drink?

[BRAT_777]

I am in for the Educated...if there's room.

[chaosrocks]

oddly enough that drink in the picture..is ice tea.... I was working.
usually if you were to spike my drink.. that would probably serve to dilute it. and by the way..I want caviar with my lobster... and butter sauce... and actually Vodka.. really really cold would be good, or maybe champagne... yeah champagne... ok so when we whomp your asses ya'll are serving right?

chaos

[Ilaekae]

I think the Nerdnut means well, so anybody that cheats is just screwing themselves...

I have no objections to the topic being presented up front because it does require a BIIIIIIT of research--so, how about finding out what Theodora and Attila and all these clowns looked like instead of sitting around on your hands? You been handed a gift. With the research under your belt, 10 days (or two weeks) painting time won't be wasted by surfing last minute for what a damn 10th century nun looks like...

OR IS THAT TOO DAMN COMPLICATED A CONCEPT?!?!



...wheeze...



AND whoever wanted Genghis Khan, he's your's. I think I'm doing the Pornocracy Theodora (there where two Pornocracies, Chaos. The first one was dirtier and more convoluted--ca. 800-1000. The later one...eh...incest incest incest...gets boring after a while...) I mean, how many times can you have a legitimate historical reason for painting a really rank hooker in full flaming color?

[chaosrocks]

with jewels loaded on....I wanna see it Illae..all those wonderfull shiny things...Im thinking of Eleanor of aquatiane side saddle in full armour with a skirt riding off on the crusades with her first husband (who will not appear in the picture)

chaos

[s.ketch]

I choose Ivar the Boneless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_Beinlaus)

[vigostar]

Ok.... shit... So, we're supposed to actually do some research and use ref. and use our imaginations??? WTF kind of thunderdome competition is this? JEEZ... Man.. this is well going to be interesting to say the least.... I think Im going to try and do Eric the Red. He seemed like a nice fellow