New Rob Liefeld Onslaught 5 Page Preview art!!

[MikeG]

http://www.popcultureshock.com/?p=40706

If you like Liefeld then you will like this, Freaking beautiful comic book!

[nacho]

Fuck yeah, people here LOVE Liefeld.

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/images/liefeld/liefeld_cap.gif

[Mirana]

HA! Hahahahahaha...

For a man who has done so much work for so long, I am baffled by his continuing lack of proper anatomy. (Also, I know the inking is probably not his, but YIKES. I'm not keen on this scratchy, thin-line stuff.)

[Robert.B]

yeah i agree i rememmber seeing that pic of captain america like 6 or 7 years ago and i just fell over laughing at the fact that he looks preggers.

[sevnraiz]

whatever guys. Liefeld is a total inspiration to young artists everyone. I mean, if someone with as little talent as him can make it, then ANYONE can.

[Hyskoa]

whatever guys. Liefeld is a total inspiration to young artists everyone. I mean, if someone with as little talent as him can make it, then ANYONE can.

Don't confuse what little talent that man had with translucent drawing paper and a lot of time.

[Mike Dutton]

Nearly fifteen years later, my brothers and I still imitate the "Rob Liefeld gun pose", where your arms are held up, almost z-shaped, so that the guns are about two feet over your head.

[DavePalumbo]

your arms are held up, almost z-shaped, so that the guns are about two feet over your head

don't forget to hide your feet behind mini dirt piles. this is key.

[Interceptor]

I'm reminded of this gem.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/artisticschmidt/Revisions/LIEFELD_TRIBUTEJCS.jpg

[Elwell]

If you like Liefeld then you will like this...
That's a mighty big IF you got there, son...

[Magic Man]

don't forget to hide your feet behind mini dirt piles. this is key.

HAHAHA, ah shiet. :}

[Magic Man]

Sheesh, wtf is up with that neck?

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/422/agentamerica9ym.jpg

[DSillustration]

We can all talk a whole lot of crap about Liefeld ( a WHOLE lot ),
but poor anatomy and plagiarism aside...
as a kid, NO ONE got me more excited about comic art than Rob Liefeld.

Props to him for that.

(And i still think his New Mutant (http://robliefeld.net/nm3.htm) covers rocked!)

[jrr]

yeah dan, that was when he teamed up with mcfarlane their crossover issues were pretty cool too. i actually enjoyed those new mutants he did before xforce. also i was about 10 so that might have helped.

[Hookswords]

Man, they're still letting that guy make comics? Wow. I think his problem stems from his method. I remember seeing a video with him on it. He draws really small and then blows things up to finish them. Seems he doesnt make corrections though. Even when I was a kid I knew he didnt hold a candle to Lee or McFarlane or anyone else of the calibur of folk he associated himself with. Every now and again he did something alright. I cant believe that after all these years he hasnt gotten any better.

[Interceptor]

We can all talk a whole lot of crap about Liefeld ( a WHOLE lot ),
but poor anatomy and plagiarism aside...
as a kid, NO ONE got me more excited about comic art than Rob Liefeld.

Props to him for that.

(And i still think his New Mutant (http://robliefeld.net/nm3.htm) covers rocked!)

That's the funny thing to me though is that his work has remained exactly the same this whole time. He's either steadfast in his beleifs that his work his flawless, or he is oblivious of what people are syaing. You'd think after all of this time that he'd change some of the small things people grill him on. I don't like his work at all, but congrats for managing a steady career from that.

[Carnifex]

i haven't seen all that much from liefield,but what i've seen didn't thrill me. at all.
props for still making it in the business. but this pic just baffled me...i mean wtf. proportions,anyone?
http://www.popcultureshock.com/2006/40706/40706_3.jpg

[Eric Lofgren]

he didnt hold a candle to Lee or McFarlane or anyone else...


Like Travis Charest. Who is himself leaps and bounds ahead of the likes of Lee and McFarlane. It never ceases to amaze to amaze me how someone of Liefeld's low calibur somehow seems more popular and in demand (Or at least more in the spotlight. Admittedly, that could be by Charests choice) than an artist of Charest's calibur.

[BlackGuy]

Well maybe Liefeld believes that all these rules of proportion and anatomy are just meant to serve as helpful guides to make an interesting looking image. We look at these images with an analytical eye because these are the things we've devoted ourselves to learning, but the average buyer just looks at it and sees cool buff heroes with crazy guns and all kinds of detail, and it's appealing to them. Maybe to him, anatomy and proportion aren't rules, but just some guides to help you get to a pretty picture. If you can achieve the same goal while not adhering to those "rules," AND still sell your work, well then why bother tying yourself down?

I'm not saying I agree with that line of thinking, but I'm just trying to offer a possible opposing argument.

[Jason Snair]

I'll admit that I too use to be inspired from his pages. When I was about 12-13 and made my own little comics, I used to look at his comics to see how he set up his actions scenes. When I was in high school I discovered Erik Larsen (who is probably the biggest dissapointment for me now...considering how awesome his Spiderman work is compared with his rencent stuff), and later Charest and Ross that I saw how 'ugly" Liefeld's art was.

I saw Liefeld at ComicCon a few years back, sitting at his own table by himself...with absolutely no one around. It was kind of sad actually. And I couldn't help but stare as he drew in his own sketchbook, presumably waiting for someone, anyone to approach.

I just wish that comics allowed artists to grow. It sems that once you make it...you have to keep that style regardless.

[egerie]

Difference between Charest and Liefeld is SPEED. Don't get me wrong here; I love most of what Charest does but he's slow compared to the other old Image guys. :(

Magic Man : Sterno Scleïdo Mastoïdian ? WTF is that duuhr anatomy book ? it's complicatud stuff man! Whio has time ffor that kinda stuff anyway! Nn.. sorry.

[asoir]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Cable_75.jpg

i think he's got a veiny neck fetish

[Interceptor]

I'll admit that I too use to be inspired from his pages. When I was about 12-13 and made my own little comics, I used to look at his comics to see how he set up his actions scenes. When I was in high school I discovered Erik Larsen (who is probably the biggest dissapointment for me now...considering how awesome his Spiderman work is compared with his rencent stuff), and later Charest and Ross that I saw how 'ugly" Liefeld's art was.

I saw Liefeld at ComicCon a few years back, sitting at his own table by himself...with absolutely no one around. It was kind of sad actually. And I couldn't help but stare as he drew in his own sketchbook, presumably waiting for someone, anyone to approach.

I just wish that comics allowed artists to grow. It sems that once you make it...you have to keep that style regardless.


http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040722h.jpg

[Dan_Grr]

Lol, I remember in the early nineties when I first read comics with this guy as a penciler. Man, that was awful, it looked like a rip-off style of McFarlane (not that Im a McFarlane fan, because Im not) with those weird 150 cm tall legs with calves being big ping pong balls somewhat attached to the knees.

I remember talking about this to a friend of mine who also read comics on a weekly basis like I did, and he didn't noticed it much neither was he slightly concerned about it.

[fixx]

i haven't seen all that much from liefield,but what i've seen didn't thrill me. at all.
props for still making it in the business. but this pic just baffled me...i mean wtf. proportions,anyone?
http://www.popcultureshock.com/2006/40706/40706_3.jpg


That'd be Michael "I draw imploded chests!" Turner, as opposed to Rob "I can't draw fists!" Liefeld. ;)


edit: Now this is cool Absolute Long Halloween (http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40634&page=2)

[Magic Man]

I just wish that comics allowed artists to grow. It sems that once you make it...you have to keep that style regardless.

I don't think thats the fault of the comic field, I think its much more a testament to the character and drive of the artist - or lack thereof as this case may be.

[Jason Snair]

Well...yeah. I mean..when you have superstar, self-publishing, creator-owned artists, then yeah...artists are themselves THE comic industry as well. (And really, they have every opportunity to grow, and if they don't, then yeah, it's their their choice and their own fault) I think it's just the business in general....that once you achieve fame or success you have to stick with the style that brought you there. The same can almost be said with editorial illustration as well. Once you have a selling style, it's hard to change because the art directors, publishers, art-buyers who are hiring you, are hiring you for that LOOK. I think that there's more room to grown in editorial illo. if the artist wants to.

But you're right. Rob Leifeld has choosen not to change, or improve his style in anyway in the past 15 years, and really that baffles my artistic mind.

[BlackGuy]

I was gonna start a new thread about this, but I guess it's pointless and I'll just post these up here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFqXs6vYvO8&mode=related&search=

It's a video diary of Rob Liefeld as he creates some Onslaught pages. I posted that particular one up because he talks about the Captain America boob pic that is so infamous on the net, but you can start wherever you like. After watching a couple of these where he's drawing with his kids and talking about the Cap pic, I realized it's a lot easier to hate someone you don't know for bullshit reasons like the way he draws. That's really not a reason to invest energy into actively disliking a person. I actually started feeling bad for him as I watched these because he knows damn well that he is HATED in the industry for his fuck ups. If the guy wants to draw crappy anatomy and cheesy characters with guns and lots of veins, then fuck it, let him. If he's genuinely happy, and he's got fans who like his work, who the hell am I to judge him for that? His plagiarism shit is unforgivable though, I can't stand the fact that he did that. I think the videos are interesting to watch whether you like him or hate him. I'm a little over-sympathetic towards people though, so that might have something to do with my opinion.

[Undertow]

My biggest problem with Liefeld isn't that he hasn't improved, it's that I think he actually believes that he's good. The moto that comes to mind here is that any publicity is good publicity. If his books don't sell and no one talked about him, he'd be forced to change or do something to get back in the press to get more work.
I used to have a VHS tape back in High School called Visits With the Comic Book Greats hosted by Stan Lee. There was one with all the image guys that was pretty weak.. but by far I learned the most from Jim Lee's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEjUoSqrdOA) video. Jim is the reason that I'm still drawing today as his run on X-Men was what inspired me to really start drawing seriously. For those of you that are beginning artists, WATCH THAT VIDEO and pay attention.
-Mike V

[skvv]

That's a mighty big IF you got there, son...

My thoughts exactly .5 seconds after reading.

I then cringed at the thought of how many replies this was going to get.

[ndp]

Ok maybe I can give Liefeld a pass on his horrendous anatomy that is a BIG maybe but I hate the fact that he continuously rips and steals from artists.

If you want to see artists who really care about their work enough to keep on eveolving to make it look better and better, check out Travis Charest, Adam Hughes and Leinil Yu.

[egerie]

He still does that?

[Robert.B]

less talk more pics

[asoir]

Yes sir.

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Egrotesqueanatomy/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/capnekkid2.jpghttp://www.zonanegativa.com/imagen/1940.jpg

http://www.dailyraider.com/comics/supermanbatman26/liefeld.jpg

[EVIL]

lol.. looks like the anatomy if there would be 3 sets of arms in one

[Lone Wolf]

I think you nailed it! I watched those videos, man here really erases a lot.

Well maybe Liefeld believes that all these rules of proportion and anatomy are just meant to serve as helpful guides to make an interesting looking image. We look at these images with an analytical eye because these are the things we've devoted ourselves to learning, but the average buyer just looks at it and sees cool buff heroes with crazy guns and all kinds of detail, and it's appealing to them. Maybe to him, anatomy and proportion aren't rules, but just some guides to help you get to a pretty picture. If you can achieve the same goal while not adhering to those "rules," AND still sell your work, well then why bother tying yourself down?

I'm not saying I agree with that line of thinking, but I'm just trying to offer a possible opposing argument.

[ruzkin]

I have to wonder sometimes whether he's ever actually seen an arm. Perhaps he was born with a shirt on, and has never taken it off.

[Elwell]

http://www.dailyraider.com/comics/supermanbatman26/liefeld.jpg
More than the ridiculous anatomy/proportions, more than the swipes, more than the beady eyes and grimaces and Big Guns and pouches, this is what's wrong with Liefeld's work. Comics are about storytelling, about the interaction of words and pictures. So somebody please tell me, WHAT THE HELL IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE IMAGE AND DIALOG HERE??!!!

[NoSeRider]

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9871&highlight=liefeld

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50205&highlight=liefeld

They'll kill the Kennedys and King, but not Liefeld. There's no justice in the world.

[Robert.B]

Whats up with those legs and feet????? And why does he hold his hands like that, what is he doing zipping up his fly?

[dogfood]

We were walking the floor at the latest con in SD and there were a couple guys talking about what a no-talent tool they thought he was and he walked right by them at that moment. There was a little tension building until you realized he hadn't heard them, engrossed as he was by a couple fan boys who were massaging his scrot- er... ego.

[John]

Whats up with those legs and feet????? And why does he hold his hands like that, what is he doing zipping up his fly?

How can he zip up his fly when he does not have fingers?
As far as word - picture relationships go in that pic, apparently one of the things you learn at the fascist regime police school is briefing your team while posing in your fantasy costume.
I kinda wonder though, after all those sci fi movies, people should have learned that rebels are always the good guys.

[kingshaj]

even as a child i thought Liefeld was terrible
there was a time he drew everyone in high heels too...sigh. Personally i blame the monthly production schedule (some have less than 2 weeks to pencil an entire issue) in Europe they may take a year creating their next graphic novel, or they may not even do one this year at all..lol ..much more like the production schedule of a rock band than a comics factory....but you'll re -read it for decades, x-men isue 123-4, not so much.

..i used to color for Marvel (sub-contracted through KGM with 11 other monkeys..lol) so i understand the business well enough to sympathize / empathize with the need for monthly production (shoot it gave me a job! back then) but its why we have Liefelds and Jim Lee-s, and Mcfarlaneses..all damn near identical but with perhaps minor differences in quality, instead if moebius-es (moebii?) or katushiro otomo-s

but i will say RE: the fat cappin' America, that if we are to have a superhero that represents America, he should be fat, dang near preggers..lol
and should probly be holding a big gulp and wearing flip flops.>:D

[Dan_Grr]

I appreciate more european comics than north-americans. I was a fan of Jim Lee, not so much these days. There are few north-american comic artists that stand in the crowd. 2 of them are Steve Rude and Alex Ross.

Moebius is awesome, Katsuhiro too (Mother Sarah was the last book I bought), but theres Takehiko Inoue (Slam Dunk and the work of art, Vagabond) and that other guy who does Blade of the Immortal, Hiroaki Samura I think. Im not an anime fan if you're wondering, but this isn't anime, it's good old manga (figuratively speaking, because the real with an old school taste manga is Lone Wolf&Cub), not the stuff you see everyone drawing nowadays.

[butchmapa]

Seriously-- why would Rob ever change his style? He has a style that is easy to do, gets people talking (fanatics and haters), comes from his heart (obviously, he doesn't draw from his brain), and has given him a lot of financial rewards (and fans) throughout his life.

He's outsold many, many guys who're better artists technically (Charest being one them). A decade(!) after his peak years, he's still outselling them.

Plus, y'know, he loves the medium. That's always a plus.

[NoSeRider]

Vanilla Ice out sold many artists too.....and a lot of you bought it.

People are sheep.....go get sheered.....Baaahahahahahahahahaha.

[butchmapa]

Entertaining post, but Liefeld's been selling for more almost two decades. Comparing the two, well, that would be just ignorant wouldn't it?

[FLenG]

LOLfeld

[Mecha Hate Chimp]

Interesting trivia from the Liefeld Wiki:

*Liefeld was featured in a television commercial for Levi's "501" jeans, directed by Spike Lee.

*Liefeld marketed the action figure of Youngblood's archer character, Shaft, as "Rob Liefeld's Shaft: 7 Inches, fully poseable", a double entendre.

*He is married to Joy Creel, one of a set of triplet sisters who starred in two The Parent Trap broadcast television sequel films with Barry Bostwick and Hayley Mills.

*Was parodied in New Warriors Vol. 1 #72: Writer Evan Skolnick was upset at the Heroes Reborn project, and its being farmed out to Image Comics. At one point, the lead villain says, "We've had to rob and lie too long to be felled by this! The Avengers won't know what hit them!"

[Robert.B]

while you guys were talking a whent and bought a Liefeld comic. Now im LMAO in a pool of my own piss and tears.