Depth?

[sishir]

every time i show a piece i made to my dad, he keeps telling me that there is no depth. its been driving me mad trying to make depth in a 2d peice but i get the same answer the same time. I asked him why dont you show me an example, then i dont know what happened, my father might have taken it as offence, and said he wont crit anymore. Well thats a bad thing i should have been nicer, ah well chance lost.

now tell me how do i achieve depth in a drawing or work?

i know i need improvement, but telling me that it needs depth for months and not telling me how to do it is driving me mad, so can you give me a small bit of info on how this theory works?

i will post pictures which need depth and can you please tell me what to do?

thank you

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these were attached to my crit topic which no one cirt on :( feel free to view these too

[David Kassan]

go outside paint landscapes. especially in the early morning when there is moisture in the air. Things go out of focus and dull down in color, in the distance in nature due to moisture particles getting in between our eyes and things far away. Also due to our eye sight.

[sishir]

go outside paint landscapes. especially in the early morning when there is moisture in the air. Things go out of focus and dull down in color, in the distance in nature due to moisture particles getting in between our eyes and things far away. Also due to our eye sight.

thankyou, thats something i learned just recently, didnt know why, but you answered my question. thank you

now what about objects in general, if i am drawing a war tank or a bust, how would i represent depth, of course you guys would say shading, but is it something i would learn over the years?

[Mike Frank]

Your pictures have a lot more depth than I expected when I was just reading about your dad's criticism. You seem to have a grasp on the basics of it. The one in the last attachment seems flat because you are looking at these things almost from an orthographic dead on point of view.

If you've never really gotten into perspective and using basic forms.. then you should look into that maybe. Basically linear construction.. how to build up shapes and depth with just lines. Then you also need to be able to suggest where these things are in space according to whatever light source. A lot of times foreshortening is difficult because with linear construction alone things might look odd and not really "pop" into space.

If you're drawing a tank, just break it into the big simple shapes.. you have something like a cylinder for the barrel and a box type form for the turret.. always analyze the shape of what you're looking at dimensionally and consider how you are trying to build it out of lines or tone. Heres a quick paintover I did of a tank.. sorry its not the best drawing, I'm not so hot drawing mechanical stuff with a tablet.. but you can analyze anything and break them down into these shapes. If you know perspective and construction and can keep the proportions in check, then you could draw the tank in whatever position you wanted.

[Seedling]

Hey Sishir,

Don’t get frustrated with your dad. He’s not an artist, I take it? But he is able to articulate what he sees that is off in your pictures. Wow! You have a gold mine on your hands. It’s not him you’re mad at, but yourself, for being unable to either see or fix what he is seeing. I suggest you apologize to him before he clams up for good!

Taking honest criticism isn’t easy, but it’s something every professional artist must learn to do.

Anyway. . . depth. . . hmmm. . . now you’ve got me thinking about atmospheric perspective. Check by my Concept Art 101 thread in a bit; I’m going to write up an assignment on atmospheric perspective there. . .

[dbclemons]

...now tell me how do i achieve depth in a drawing or work?...

Perspective study is important, but there are a few other principles to apply. Atmosphere comes into play for objects of some distance. Depending on the type of environment, distant objects miles away will blend into the air to a large degree - more foggy or dusty skies will envelope the trees, mountains, buildings - whatever. A sense of focus is important, with sharper contrasted details on objects and edges closest to you. Blur your ojects gradually as they stretch out into the distance. Scale is also a tool to use where some objects have a certain known relationship to each other by size, like cars to buildings. Overlapping planes can also assist you to some degree for items that are relatively close.

Look at this painting by Alexander Wyant (http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=18464). The trees on the right foreground are clear and sharp, and the mountains blend into the distance.

[sishir]

Hey Sishir,

Don’t get frustrated with your dad. He’s not an artist, I take it? But he is able to articulate what he sees that is off in your pictures. Wow! You have a gold mine on your hands. It’s not him you’re mad at, but yourself, for being unable to either see or fix what he is seeing. I suggest you apologize to him before he clams up for good!

Taking honest criticism isn’t easy, but it’s something every professional artist must learn to do.

Anyway. . . depth. . . hmmm. . . now you’ve got me thinking about atmospheric perspective. Check by my Concept Art 101 thread in a bit; I’m going to write up an assignment on atmospheric perspective there. . .

well he wants to learn to be landscape artist, that is after i joined an atelier, he joined with me. Eh its annoying because he seems impacient and wants to be an artist quickly since he is waiting for a new job and is bored, thats why i asked him, well i said sorry, and it ok now



well i will look into that concept 101, thankyou ideas presented here really helped me. Thanks