My Queens...GUNS Update

[R_M]

Been working on this pic for a while.

I used reference fotos for the girls, but it has been a struggle and I am loosing steam on it. it has been really hard making 4 people in one picture, haven't done that before and it has basically made everything 4 times as hard.

What do you think of the colour choice, I would very much like some advice on a bg colour that complements the girls. they all have red leather outfits like here, but I am not sure it works well with the yellowish bg. Still I'd like to give the picture an overall warmth.

the cloths and the guns are not done yet. C&C on anything is most welcome at this point.


http://roberto.webconnect.dk/gfxgallery/queensWIP1.jpg

[tyboogie]

hey RM

theres something REALLy appealling about the way you paint

MUCh potential do i see in you


there are some serious proportion issues happening--

the worst being the second girl from the right

her head is too big and the foreshortening of teh arm isnt working

teh first girls head is too round. Not oval enough--her right hand seems big too--and her left may be too small



all i can say is just draw more figures--( from life if you can) and youll get better at propprtions and foreshortening etc

also using yourself or friends for PHOTO refernce for poses will help ALOT

the black girl looks the best---i like the way you handled her hair. proportions on her look good



the bG needs more form and detail to describe what it is--is it a stone wall? etc etc

and the bG could help us put these characters into a context
liek what if there were"wanted dead or a live" posters of the girls-- with bullet holes running across the wall

OR a wall with numbers and a more sci-fi looking structure

either way youre going to change the context and its going to add to the storytelling of the characters



keep it up and keep us updated!

[R_M]

Hey Ty,
tanks a lot both for the praise but especially for the critics.
You raised a couple of anatomy things that I hadn't noticed at all! I usually flip the image once in a while when painting, but the one with the head being bigger had escaped me.

I am also going to fix the armforeshortneng thing, but am going to wait till the clothes are more complete.

the bg is supposed to be open space, like a desert or something just about at dawn, but there is a long long way to go.

Hopefully I' post more later in the week. thanks.

[R_M]

http://roberto.webconnect.dk/gfxgallery/Queenswip2.jpg



Been working on the clothes, and on some of the issues that popped up from the crits.

I feel I am 'bout 65% done here. the skins and the clothes are on different layers and there is some fitting to do.

After that there a re the guns, and a world of minor tightening up here and there.
changed also the bg coluor a bit, I'd like to get more of a dusk like time of the day. I will work on some clouds and ground elements, just don't want to clutter to much the pic.

After the initial frustration I am getting more happy with the results, and feel that I have learned a lot with this one! C&C welcome :D

[R_M]

http://roberto.webconnect.dk/gfxgallery/Queenswip3.jpg

maybee I should leave this one for a bit and come back to it in a couple of weeks....

just afraid that if I don't finish it now it will just end up gathering dust somewhere in me mac.

[Balton]

I think you should work on their faces. the face of the black women looks less "weird". unless you wanted to achieve these weird faces.

[tyboogie]

look at the 1st, 3rd, and 4th girls on your original

see where their hips, elbow joints, etc line up with each other more or less? now look at thee second girl--she needs some work--i think the arm needs to be redone( foreshortening) and the head/face should be reworked

the bg is still ambiguous

i like the flying cards, and the designs of the girls are cool--dont get discouraged dude--youre doing good!!

just a thought
http://www.funktion-studios.com/tyler/rm.jpg


http://www.funktion-studios.com/tyler/rm2.jpg

[R_M]

Balton: thnaks for the reply, and I see it to, just have to figure out what is wrong.

Tyboggie: Whooa, that is one hell of a post! :D
I'll have to swallow my medicine now, and rework the infamous 2nd girl.....
yeah the face isn't really working (am pretty sure it is her lips), but I don't think it can be saved, starting from scrath is probably esier now.
oh well back to the drawing board.

This one is turning into a war, but I will finish it :rambo:

[R_M]

redid the 2nd girl, now just bg and cleaning up left. I hope....

http://roberto.webconnect.dk/gfxgallery/QueensWipN.jpg

[tyboogie]

well this is better

there are stil some small mistakes

teh arm is now less foreshortened but it seems like its a little to0 short

her ear needs to come a little closer to her jaw
her hairline could come down on the forehead--but that s a personal choice

i would move the queen that overlaps the new revised girl--it covers too much and almost feels liek youre trying to hide a mistake

aslo--i forgot to mention this previously--
its usually a bad idea to crop figures at the joints (knees, elbws, wrists) i think because it leaves too much unanswered about where the next part of the body is going

i liek the shaven head on the sides thing--its kinda strange --which is cool

i think if you give us a more devloped BG youll be done!!

remember im just one guys opinion--take it all with a grain

keep itup!!--ty



also--maybe the first girl could use some straps to hold her costume ON more??

[Boom]

Hi Roberto

Ill keep this in english, so others can understand what I'm saying too.. :)

I think this piece has alot of potential. Quite good composition and the cards make it special somehow. Maybe you could add some bulletholes to the cards to make them 'connect' with the girls alittle better... (just thinking out loud;)) Right now the cards are abit out of context especially if this painting aren't accompanied with text to describe whats going on...

The lightning on the girls doesn't seem coherent. Right now you have each girl in her own light setting and that makes it abit hard to comprehend for the brain, since all other indications are that the girls are indeed placed next to each other. But the lighthing breaks the reality away. Maybe you could unify the light some more...?

Also, watch your use of contrast. Think about how every plane you are about to put value/color on, is placed in regard to the lightsource. The girl on the far right (which is my fav, btw) has an area of high contrast on her shoulder, and on her(!) right cheek. Contrast is something (amongst other things) that can attract the focus of the viewer, so make sure that you put contrast where you want the viewer to place his/her focus, or at areas where there are extreme light/shadow settings. If not placed very carefully contrast can draw attention away from areas which you think are more important.

Lastly there are a few anatomical 'oddities' but thats an area where don't I focus so hard myself atm, so I'll jump quickly over that... ;)

Hope you can use this for something... and if not then its totally fine. We all have subjective views on the art we create...

Keep on going. Looking forward to see the final version!

:chug:

;Peter

[R_M]

Howdy people Thanks for the feedback! :D much appreciated!

Ty/ thanks man! I know I asked for C&C, and yours has been great. never thought to much about where to cut a picture,interesting...., that is something else to keep in mind.
the rest of you points I pretty much agree on, some I did suspected before posting (the hair line) but the armthing I hadn't seen.

Boom/ hey Peter! your contrast theory is a goldnugget! didn't knew about it before, but it makes perfect sense! Being selfthough I work much more trough intuition and previous experience, and I lack that kind of theoretical Bg that makes all the difference. :D
Yeah the light is pretty much fucked up, but I'll leave it has it is. to hard to change it now. Next picture I will plan better.
What is important for me is the process and not the outcome (at least with this picture :D). Not my favorite picture by a long shot, but probaly the one where I learned the most. just can't wait to get it done so that I can start with something new. :chug: everyone!

[tyboogie]

2nd girl--- i think its just the fore-arm thats too short.

[R_M]

Think I'll move the elbow a bit up...

[tyboogie]

well that would make the humuros (upper arm bone) shorter--and i think that teh upper arm is good as is

if you have a proprtion figure problem remember to think how fixing one thing will affect another

in this case if you make the forearm longer nothing will be affected but the forearm