Last Man Standing 2 • Round Two • Matches 1-30 (HUGE D/L)

[Justin.]

GOOD LUCK DAVE!

I'm rooting for you.
(Seven Cheers for Coro)

[loizze]

congrats to joiton ,and good luck for the next round man,it was a pleasure
may be see ya at the next thunderdome
and congrats to all the winners , can t wait to see what s gonna happen next
kick it guys !!!

cheers to all
loizze

[DARYL]

0kelvin - of course the authors name would be official after the judging :)

I think its hard to not be biased even on a subconcious level when watching entries and who did them. also, sure some will be recognizable with their style and all, but I still think that would be a minority. I would never have guessed m@'s piece for example as that wasn't his usual style or theme.

[cotron]

coro, I know you act all hard with your guns and stories from life on the street- but inside, you're a newborn puppy made of marshmellow goo and glitter.

things like this prove it! :P

[S.C. Watson]

Rock solid work people.

Hands down favorites:
Jason Manley's & DavePalumbo's.

~Shane

[chaosrocks]

Coro..Im only an observer in this... But your piece was great and you are a true gentleman

thank you for upgrading the manners and courtesys here.
you are appreciated

and Dave..you better continue to KICK ASS!
chaosrocks

[Jason Snair]

I'm not sure why I never checked out this thread before...I guess I was under a rock or something. Anyway...to all those battled...wow. Such beautiful work from everyone. I...I'm completely blown away. I think the one that really stood out for me, which is hard because they're all outstanding was...Shelly's. Simply stunning. I actually stood up out of my chair when I scrolled down to it. The colors and the comp and the story. Simply beautiful.

Cant wait to see the next round.

[Y-S]

wow...

that's like....so fucking impossible..........to create like these....

[Main Loop]

Congrats Sergio!! :)
And Congrats to everyone else who made it to the next round, I don't know if I would want to be you guys, 6 people battles, holey poo! I foresee this third round being even better then the last one, or the Crappiest one yet because everyone will be peeing their pants from fright.;) goodluck Suckaz!!
AWE! sits back and relaxes. ;)
No really I'm just goofing with you all, You all did some amazeing work, this was really fun. :)

I think the next round topic should be anything haveing to do with 'Death Race 2000'.

thanks tiffany! im a bit surprised im going to the next round, considering how much we all liked yoru piece.. I almost wish i didnt make it cuz look who i have to go up against! jason chan! Nicolas! M@!! Its gonna be a heck of a round.....

[sweetoblivion314]

I've said it before and i'll say it again... Man i love being a turtle!
but also... Dave Palumbo is my hero!!

[Art_Addict]

Shit! I'm so late with my reply.
For me there's only 1 true winner in this round, apart from all the eye candy
others produced.
m@ damn !!! The piece took a moment to take in
but then just tears sprung to my eyes.
The emotional and political theme he put in with so little is superb !
Definately the best interpretation of the subject 'escape' hands down.

Especially because it's soo true! They are in fact not there when it happens!

You've got my total respect m@

anyway I look forward to see what everyone else produces in the next rounds

Good luck everyone!

[m@.]

Art Addict : well... thanks a lot, glad the piece speaked to you.

Main Loop : hehe yeah it will be a hell of a round!

[magicgoo]

I'm gonna be honest here, and I don't intend to hurt anyone's feelings. But, by now, you all probably know I usually speak my mind. For once this won't be the if-you-can't-say-anything-nice-don't-say-it-at-all post, simply because I'm sad and angry to see that a lot of amazing artists aren't moving on to the next rounds.

Match 1. I'm really sorry, but it looks like m@ just discovered PS texture brushes for the first time. Things are mushy and blurry and distracting from whatever is going on. ZERO people voted for Proteus? ZERO votes? Proteus' piece may not have the best in accuracy, but it looks like he really pushed to create a full illustration with background, action, humans, and vehicles. Seriously. Not one vote for that?

Poise's piece blew me away in Match 8. I believe it's one of her absolute best. It showed both an amazing idea, and amazing artwork to make that idea come to fruition. Main Loop had a great idea, but the composition and anatomy is off to the point of being distracting from the piece.

Match 9 was an odd choice for winner because there was clearly so much more effort involved in the rendering of the 2 losing paintings.

Match 11 seems so out of place. The winning entry was the least detailed and least thought out. It was cliche, had Photoshop stamped all over it, and looked as though no time was spent on it at all in comparison to the losing 2. I know I've seen Tyranx do so much more amazing quality, so I'm entirely confused as to how his piece was chosen.

Match 17, I'm a little confused by, but I think it's more personal taste so I don't know. But I feel that the losing 2 were a bit better rendered.

Match 22. Wow. Really? El Coro's bottom half wasn't even properly cropped to match the top half. There's a big white line down the left side. I liked the idea, but c'mon. Did he get the votes simply because he is El Coro? Did the judges not see the cropping? I think it was very very big of him to give his win to Dave Palumbo. I respect that a hell of a lot, when the actual "winning" artist has a better sense of who is worthy of the win than the judges in this case.

Match 26. I know humor usually gets votes and Summer's is a bit cliche in idea, but the lighting and depth in Summer Pudding's piece is spectacular while Rusty's is sketchy and flat.

Match 30 (removed so I can prove my point about the better rating system.)

And to give a constructive idea (amongst my seemingly apparent bitterness) that would better suit the voting system, I believe each piece should be voted on, and given a rating between 1 - 10. 1 being absolute BS and 10 being perfect in every way possible. No one should be receiving a 1 unless it is obvious that they are incapable of creating a stick man and no one should be given a 10 unless the image is flawless. This would ensure that no one receives zero votes. It also is a much more accuate and fair method of voting for what we all do: artwork. No one here is worthy of zero votes, and that sort of method doesn't tell much about the pieces when a judge is only capable of choosing 1. Imagine instead, that one piece is rated an 8 and the other is rated a 6, and the third is a 9. This scale method says much more about the actual art, as more time is taken to actual judge the individual images, rather than a judge being forced to choose just one. Please take this into consideration for the next battle round so that the image is rated and not simply abandoned.

OK, fire away. I just couldn't sit back in silence any longer.

[m@.]

you rock magicgoo, I wish everybody was as honest as you :) (doesn't mean I agree with all you say :p )

[romance]

There were a few rounds I was surprised with the voting results and wish some people had made it through while others not, but I also understand that the judges aren't me, and see things through different eyes.

A rating system used by the judges, as Magicgoo suggested, could work better. Might help reduce any bias that could occur during judging and would probably reduce the chance of a stalemate between entries and the need for more judges.

EDIT: The system works well now, and of course implementing a rating system would be more work, for Cody and the judges. The rating system is only an idea, and considering we're already into the third round, wouldn't make much sense to implement. Perhaps something to consider for the next LMS.

-R

[Rusty]

what the faaa!.....how the hell did i pull that off?,i was certain you had that one in the bag S`puds and i mean that,believe me im shocked as fark!

...Jace

[el coro]

uh oh.........do you guys hear that? i could be wrong, but, no wait! there it is...thats the unmistakable sound of the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE!!!
c'mon guys? really why make it more complicated than it really is? so we can all feel good about ourselves cuz we got a vote cuz we twied so hawd?
i respect the hell out of all the judges in this and previous thunderdomes, and see no reason to open it up to let the public decide. the general public, are, in fact typically the worst judges in terms of taste. id prefer to let the professionals sort it out. i have been a judge for a few of these, and im always quick to vote for what i feel is the better image, plain and simple. some people might not agree with me, but we are all entitled to our opinions. i myself am just happy that cody is generous enough to give his time to these tdomes, and am sensitive to the fact that the more complicated these things get, the more the man has to work. the system is not perfect, but i think its a damn good system. and id rather have judges who's eyes i respect wieghing in their opinions than open it up to a vote.....-c36

[sve]

Ursula, art is not countable, "much art", not "many art". I don't think we can give such a discrete rating (6 or 8 or 5) to our subjective feeling about art work.

Another thing in my opinion, we need to accept judges decision. Because it is a system of trust in some way. It has some weak sides, but if we took it in the beginning of the contest we need to stick with it. I might think differently about entries, but I play by rules we chose in the beginning. Or it will be chaos and endless arguing and lost of trust and attraction to the contest..
In my eyes people who didn't get farther are not losers in any sense. Just didn't go farther because of the rules.

[Mike Dutton]

I had a pretty long drawn out retort, but felt it was best just to summarize:

Point number 1 - Cody's dome, Cody's rules. Don't like? Don't play.
Point number 2 - Judges are not receiving free Nanos to do this so show some respect for their participation. Disagree? Fine, but there's a reason why these people do what they do and are successful at it. Learn from their reasoning rather than fight it. (You still don't have to agree, but learn anyway; The bottom line should be to learn something from all of this so you can become a stronger more competent artist).
Point number 3 - The amount of time you spend on a piece is never a way to measure its success. Also, a more finished looking piece does not mean it is more valid than something done in a loose style. Finished or unfinished, it's what you set out to achieve and how closely you came to your goal in the end that counts. Did you want an ultra photo realistic rendering but ended up with a sketchy and/or anatomically incorrect painting? Then it is an unsuccessful piece. If you wanted a sketchy stylized piece with a loose painterly style, and got just that, then its successful. And if it only took you three hours to do, that's no reason not to deserve to move on. I think this is along the lines of what happened in Match 30.

[Justin.]

I have to say it REALLY ticks me off that the guy who beat me didn't submit.

Some critique; Not saying anything about "who shoulda won" or "This piece shouldn't have won", because that's not my decision.
Match 1
M@: I gotta agree with the Goo here. I also don't really like the blue.. I think something purplish would have complimented the skin a little better.

Proteus' was awesome, though It would have been cool if the guy's suit had folds and stuff to show the penetration better.

I am sad to see BOON not submit...

Match 2
Very nice Posh, though I think her leg is just slightly stiff and long (though it probably fits the perspective, it looks just a bit too long). It's a classical piece and the execution is awesome.

Cody, not much for the concept (but it is innovative and original), and the only real problem I see with it is that the brush strokes are very visible, and it kinda makes the piece feel less "done".

SBA: The girl doesn't really look too sweaty or tired, just a bit banged up. I think you could have also handled the perspective better, the truck and the house seem on different planes a bit.

Match 3
David; I love the sense of foreshadowing (not foreshortening) the piece has, the only thing I see is that the girl's head looks a bit too big in comparison with her body.

Mr. Visions, The only thing I think detracts are the hands that aren't there... It would have been a great spot to do something cool I think, it is the only thing I am not fond of in the piece, mostly because I don't know what it is. James Kei, we know you work hard ;D

Match 4
Robinchyo; Almost no crits; the only thing, which is very subjective, is that I think it is a bit stiff, and perhaps it could have been more of a "jump" than a "run". But that's just my opinion.

yAdam, if the figures were up to par with the monster, this would be a great piece. No real crits other than that.

Match 5
DUTTON! Dutton dutton- this is such an AWESOME PIECE! It's brilliant! My only comment is on his lower leg, it looks sort of funny but I couldn't say why. The colors and the expressions are freakin' INCREDIBLE! Kudos man, Kudos.

Hyver; The composition is delightful! My only crits are the colors, which sometimes seem muddy, or out of place because of saturation. That, and the bear- Not sure if you used reference, but I think the bear hurts the piece a bit.

Match 6
Gringo; Sometimes I really like your lines, other times not so much; This time I like the lines, but not the colors. There are parts of his suit that are all pinched and stuff? I'm not sure why- but it sort of ruins a "clean" stylization you have otherwise. Tryin' to figure out the Naked chick too.

Helzon; Cool piece! Her arms are slightly unreadable, and I would have seen the lightsource effect the BG more, but overall, the characters and designs are good, the colors are good, the anatomy is good. Nice work! =)

Johanson, Great concept, though I think more emphasis could be placed on his hands. The composition and flow of action is nice, but I think you should have varied your pallette just a bit, some parts blend a bit too much. Other than that it is a real nice piece.

Match 7
No crits at all for this Match.
Nicolas, yours was simply awesome. The small pink strip on the bottom added a sort of back story to the characters that I think really makes the scene hit home that much more.

Hurricane, this one is just funny. The gestures, the expression, and the colors. Nice!

Match 8
BDub; I think the guy should have been farther up on the ladder, as is, the compostion seems really unbalanced. It's a good concept, but some of the people seem inconsistent with the lighting scheme. Perhaps you should introduce more yellow into the highlights, or more bluish into the shadows.

Main Loop; What an EXPRESSION! This is a GREAT piece, hands down. The only thing I am not fond of is the anatomy in the girl to the left. Her head seems just a bit too big for her body.

Tiffany; My favorite part is the unsymmetry between the ladies. It's so... natural and fitting... I just love it so much!

Match 9
Spraynation; The bike seems a bit out of perspective, and the figures I think could have been better, but overall, with the concept, the composition, the colors and all, it is a great piece.

Min; :O WOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH. Those faces in the explosion- so radical! There is something about the colors that bugs me, but I don't know what it is- but this is definitley an incredible piece.

Ghill; I think the lines around the figure sort of hurt the piece, along with the lack of contrast in his skin, and the colors. The concept is sort of stale, but the pose is done well, but the background seems like a cop out, and alot of the lines are still visible which kind of hurts the piece as well..

Match 10
No crits, aside from I think Fedezz went slightly overboard on the textures, just a little. GREAT pieces, from all of you.

Match 11
MIKECO-err, MikeCorriero;
I remember you saying (in your exclusive book I think) that you need to work on vehicles- don't want to be rude but I couldn't agree more. Great piece aside from the bike, which just look terribley skewed I'm afraid- Especially the water. I can see you payed special attention to that even though noone would hardly notice it =)

Tyranx; Very simple, very cool.

RasselTass; I love it- the colors, the scene, the action! My favorite of this match, which is quite a match indeed.

Match 12
No crits; Matches like this make my life easier :D
Praise to Kelv for goin Grayscale, and the incredible details. Mr. Potato head, 2 furbies, trolls, Optimus Prime, buzz lightyear.. the gangs all here!

Match 13
Arkady; It's fairly messy, and not in a stylish kinda way.. The birdcage seems muddily colored, and her face isn't hardly effected by the light. I assume you were busy, because I know you can do better!

Stace; Great piece, I'm no horse anatomist, but the pose looks a bit like he's gonna crash and burn... other than that, I love it.

Match 14
No crits!


Match 15
Again no crits; great, great, great match.

Match 16
Shamagim; I think the gnomes falling back could be grabbing on to something to emphasize them flying back-
Other than that, zero critsos.

Match 17
Nacho; Great piece overall- I think the kid is slightly out of perspective, but you managed to capture a very dream-like scene with the way you handled the BG- very nicely done.

Dreck; Looks like you had fun with the overaly adjustments? :D The piece is a bit messy, but it got a giggle out of me.

No Crits for Andy!

Match 18
No crits again? These matches are getting better each time! o_o

Match 19
Shadoman: I think some of the materials and the composition could have been handled more effectivley, but for what it is, it is pretty good.

No crits for Plobo

Gloominati: It loks like more of a battle than an escape to me- the character doesn't seem to be going anywhere other than into the fray. The Anatomy on alot of the figures seems very off, I think if you would have used reference it would have benefitted you greatly.

Match 20
Again, NO crits! Just... great FANFREAKIN TASTIC JOB for both of yas!

Match 21
Ditto... Kudos to Simon for the sequential.

Match 22
Clubb, the perspective on the main guy is very nice, but alot of the pic seems flat;

As for you two.. Dave, you know what I think- Coro,


I love you, I really do. But you creep me the fuck out sometimes.

Match 23
I <3 you all

Match 24
This is such a classic Vyle piece! haha! Good work.

Yumiko; The thing I love the most are the clouds; It's a great piece overall- only 2 things really get my goat/ram if you will- The colors... something about em, maybe all the black in the piece, sorta leaves me hanging. The composition too, it took me a while to discover who was escaping-
But those is some damn nice clouds.

Iolarnula; I like the composition, very dynamic! To tell the truth if this was happening at sunset, or over an ocean, or something that added more to the piece, I would really dig it, but just the clouds seems sort of boring. The ray is done very well though!

Match 25
First 2; Funny and done really well. Good work!

Snarfevs; Everything is shiny and glisteny and stuff. Everything! even the rocks! You seem to have set aside the anatomy and perspective for the rendering and concept, which I think really hurts your piece. The background seems totally irrelevant to the rest of the piece, and it's more of an assasination than an escape.

Match 26
2 wonderful pieces, Rusty's is so funny! And Summer Puddings is just beautiful.

Match 27
Badger; I think you could have been more meticulous with details and had a better outcome; along with a few more higher highlights.

Mythmaker; It's a great piece, awesome colors; It's just really busy, and I can't tell wether it's supposed to be day or night- but It's a nice piece.

Romance; Great, stunning, beautiful. No crits.

Match 28
Jason Chan is totally gonna lose this round.

I will use this time to be mad at Theif for beating me, being faced against the Chan man, and NOT EVEN SUBMITTING!!!!! =( Perhaps Jason, I could make it up to you by doing a little private T-Dome if you feel so compelled? ;)

Shame on Fidi as well! THIS Was supposed to be one of the best matches evar! I just hope it was because something personal happened or something like too many deadlines.. if it's because of laziness, that would totally BLOW! =(

Match 29
Manley and Bowlin, Good luck competing with Matt's boobies. Kudos to Jason though for going Blacknwhite.

Match 30
Robot, awesome piece, same to you Goo-
but I am depressed Helium couldn't do a piece. Though I suppose it's better for you 2, ain't it? =)

WHEW! Hour an a half or some such! And it didn't get deleted! woot!

Good luck to all, and better luck next time to the ones who don't make it!

[Justin.]

Well, there was the right amount of "tilt" in it I think, but I think you just didn't quite foreshorten it enough. Just by a little though =) The water was STUNNING Btw. Just really loved the water.

[sve]

:O . I didn't ridicule Ursula. don't see anything to laugh about. She spoke her mind, very respected thing. I listened to her arguments. I thought it is not a practical idea. I think it will do more damage than good. Ursula is very nice though. :).
P.S. Just I can't think how it will be working. This piece is almost 6, ok solid 5. but another one sure deserved 7?... It is imposibble to measure feelings. It is "I like it" or I don't like it" or" I love it very much". Which in the end means you give it your vote or zero.

[strych9ine]

Match 30. Well you know I'm gonna be biased about this one, but c'mon. While I spent 2-3 days on my piece of cliche, ill-colored, uninspired crap, it's still more than the few hours that was spent by the winner. I received zero votes for my piece, and at least it has fairly proper anatomy and some detail. The winner didn't quite finish coloring his and the anatomy is so wonky, I'm just not sure of how this got 5 of 5 votes with a big, glaring, white background and glowing leaves? Kryptonite? At least give me 1 tiny vote for completing mine and drawing all of those tentacle suckers.



Criticism is fine Ursula, but I like how you stuck in the whole I-can't-believe-my-opponent-won-my-match-mine-is-so-much-better whiny bullshit in an attempt to simultaneously discount your opponent's and the judges' credibility. Classy!

I know that you think you are on to something with your rating system idea, but I hate to break it to you that it's just as subjective as picking which piece out of the three is the best image. You absolutely knew that this was judged subjectively and it all comes down to opinions, but these are opinions of industry professionals that I and the rest of the community trust whose work speaks volumes of their ability to take on such a task. Each match has multiple judges, and if you did not receive one vote out of 5 maybe, just maybe, your opponent's piece wasn't as bad as you thought it was.

Boo hoo hoo, you didn't win a goddamn online art contest that was run purely for fun. And what a travesty that the pieces you thought should win didn't! By god, I better contact you soon so that you can judge all of the upcoming matches all by your lonesome.

Criticism is fine and encouraged. You attempting to tear down artists and judges alike because they didn't match your highness' expectations is just plain fucking sad.

While I know this doesn't apply to the majority of you as you all know this is all about the process and particiaption, I might as well say it. If you are the type of person to become upset over losing in a trivial online art contest, do yourself a favor and don't sign up to participate. I'd say with 1 winner out of 271, the odds are pretty well stacked against you.

This is fun! Should we just shut this thing down? Feelings might be hurt!

[sve]

Cody, may I say? I don't think she wanted to discredit anyone. It is better to allow people say their thougths and listen to them and then do what you think is right. because it is ... strong position. I think she is just honest. You are too. I love Last Man Standing. Lets continue this huge fun !
But people are not robots, they get attached sometimes. it is not a bad thing. She just loved some pieces very much.
Hope you will not get upset over my words. I think you both are very sweet, loyal to CA.org people.

[Snarfevs]

I'm going to put my neck on the block here and say that I am flabbergasted that Magicgoo's entry didn't go on or even rate with the judges. Whilst I object to Magicgoo's public complaint (after all, thunderdome is just a big game, life goes on and hopefully you got useful practice out of it), it cannot have gone unnoticed that images like robot's entry are routinely rejected from the weekly activity forums as unfinished. IMHO robot keeps better work in his sketchbook.

From the round one thread: "Keep in mind that the goal of the competition is to create a full-fledged illustration every round, so you'll be judged on your technique, concept, designs, and narrative."

This is what I construe as a call for completeness. Correct me if I'm wrong. If indeed this criterion was kept in mind by the judges it certainly isn't expressed in the result of match 30.

Thankyou for hearing me out. Now, deride away if you think it's justified.

PS thankyou for your crits sve, justin and anyone else i may have missed out. I think i learned a lot from this pic.

[Mike Dutton]

Take a look at Bob Peak's movie poster work, and you'll realize that the unfinished look doesn't necessarily mean the piece is unfinished. On a competitive level, go through a Spectrum annual and you'll see a simple line drawing of a single figure by Frank Cho getting a full page while a highly detailed massive battle between two large armies gets the lower right hand corner on a different page. Sure, it's subjective which piece should have gotten the full page (or have even gotten in at all), but you have to realize that with enough trained professionals looking through these, there's at least some method to the madness, and that there can be a distinct, almost palpable charm in something as simple as a gestural line to describe a leg, over a highly detailed (possibly overworked) but unnecessary fourtieth soldier. So going back to match 30, rendering all those tentacles does not entitle someone to win, or get at least one vote, over something that simply looks like it took less effort. And I'm not trying to kick you while you're down Ursula. Just to bring my example around full circle, I did not get into Spectrum at all this year, and I know I'll be pissed when I see it come out this November.... so believe me, I can relate to your frustration.... but I still respect the pros involved, and I'm inspired to work that much harder without putting a bitter taste in the mouths of those who did advance or succeed. And that's what this should be about in the first place; being inspired to work harder and grow.

p.s. Thanks Justin O. :)

[aesir]

One thing you guys need to keep in mind is that just because a piece got 5 out of 5 votes, and another didnt get any, doesnt mean that the judges were trying to tell you that your piece was a lot worse or a lot better than the other one. The judges arent working together. They might have all thought it was really close and only coincidentally all chose the same piece. Its 5 different judges. Not one judge handing out 5 points.

[m@.]

Now that I've slept over it, and thought a bit, I don't think that point rating would be cool, because it would deresponsabilise the judges ("let's put 10 to all those great entries")... with the current system, they have to make a hard choice, and this is better I think, and as cody said, there will be more judges now, so more sensibilities and different points of view...

I think the only change that should be made is what Aleksi suggested, hiding the names.

[Art_Addict]

I think the only change that should be made is what Aleksi suggested, hiding the names.

I fully agree on that.


Magicgoo, have you looked and tried to understand your opponents piece?
Yes indeed, it's colorless, but it enhances the piece I think.
A guy dressed up till his hair in black and white, comes out of the colorless
city and walks towards colorfull nature and in the mean time getting
rid of his colorless clothes, freeing his mind.

I think his piece is well thought out and reflects 'the escape' well.

[Justin.]

To me match 30 seemed like a tough call if I was judging; a full illustration, good composition, but a few anatomy errors, vs. 7 drawn out figures (even if he had to copy/paste the heads) with very good anatomy, muscalture etc., but with some pretty stale colors, I would choose the latter. More because I would rather look at some awesome figure drawings in black and white over 1 full colored illustration-

And Ursula, it isn't like the judges knew how much time went into each piece. I was pretty pissed that I lost first round (but not suprised), but now I am really pissed that the winner of that match didn't even SUBMIT this round.

[magicgoo]

You're all entirely entitled to disagree.

When the bashing starts, however, hmmm....

So far I've been sarcastically called "classy." So let me just interpret that as you calling me trashy, Cody. And in the same post, I've received this:

Boo hoo hoo, you didn't win a goddamn online art contest that was run purely for fun. And what a travesty that the pieces you thought should win didn't! By god, I better contact you soon so that you can judge all of the upcoming matches all by your lonesome... Criticism is fine and encouraged. You attempting to tear down artists and judges alike because they didn't match your highness' expectations is just plain fucking sad.

For stating my opinion, I've been indirectly told not to enter any more of these contests. How about if you can't react well to disagreements, then don't post on the internet? Because, instead of 271 contenders, you've got 6 billion. I am not "plain fucking sad," Cody. But, thanks for your opinion anyway.

Sve, if art is not countable, then is 1 of 2 pieces entirely discountable? As in, does it deserve no recognition of its existence at all? I believe the rating system would be more helpful simply because it acts as a critique in itself. It places a number on how much or how little you need to improve your art. It is not designed to give a point to the people whose "feelings are hurt" as Coro said. I also didn't say for the general public to judge, Coro. The ratings would be for the pro judges' use.

Also, this system would not for just work the LMS. Look at it this way: Let's say there's a Tdome of 50 people. And the prize for the top 3 winners is a paintbrush or a hug or a BJ or a signed sketch or something. Whatever: Just imagine that the starter of the Tdome is actually giving away 3 prizes. Well, with the poll voting, you can only give your vote to one person, so in theory, one person could receive 100 votes and 49 others would receive zero. Or, if there are 10 judges, they might all give their 1 vote to 1 person. How is that an accurate contest, especially if there needed to be a top 3?

[DARYL]

I'm truly grateful for this event and the effort everyone involved put in it.

what I wish for is to see closing comments within each group of competitors regarding why a piece got chosen instead of the other ones. this would clarify how the judges think and probably bring some satisfaction to the dissatisfied, but most of all we would learn from it :rendered:

that along with aleksi's idea would be great.

[Dirty C]

Hi,

Firstly, I'd just like to say a big congrats to everyone for doing such amazing work. And nice one to JTJ - keep going, son.

With regard to Teh Controversy, I have to say that there is always a bit of disappointment, and I never feel that every single deserved winner is judged as such. Coro, I salute you. True sportsmanship.

Those of us from countries where the Beautiful Game is celebrated will know that this is part of life, however. There's No Way In Hell Jens Lehmann should have been sent off in the Champions League final last year, it should have been a yellow card and an allowed goal. And without that, Arsenal may well have lifted the trophy. But the point is that our sports aren't engineered like American sports, where the better team is pretty well guaranteed to win. In our way of doing things, there's a hell of a lot of room for controversy. And it makes the passion of the game about 1000 times greater!

In other words, I'm sorry to say this (and I'm sorry I lost). But this is essentially a game. There are tactics and there is injustice. And it makes you want to kick everyone's ass even more next time.

So congrats to the winners and good luck to the departed.

Rock on
DC

**edit PS: I actually think the points outta ten or percentage idea or whatever is a great one. It would maybe force it to be a bit less about dynamism and impact and a bit more balanced. Not griping about anything, just think the Goo is onto something.**

[Jason Manley]

so much drama....keep it constructive k?

previous tdomes were judged on a points scale for different categories.

idea development
technical craftsmanship
design

[0kelvin]

The judges are free to give comments and crits on each piece, but requiring them to do that would not be a good idea at all. They're volunteering their time, and they're busy people. Remember how long it took to get the results for Round 1? That only involved them picking a winner for each round. Making them comment on each and every piece would make it take months before we got any results.

It sucks to spend all this time on a piece and not get any sort of feedback, but we can't rely on the judges to provide that. The Thunderdome is not a good place to get indepth crits, but luckily we have people like sve.



0kelvin

[sve]

Ursula, I understand your concern very much, but it will not change much in my opinion. Because I'm pretty sure that idea to compare art work is absurd. For me, it is.
But ... if we want to do some contest just for fun and enjoyment and sportsmanship we accept some rules, just for the sake of order and with purpose to move on, not to stand forever on one spot with 271 contestants.

The rules are not perfect and they don't do justice to the art in my mind, because this justice is subjective for everyone. It is just a system to pick up some artwork from offered with some principle as a base. In our case, just eyes and taste of by everyone respected people who have a lot of experience in this field.

It is like in figure skating, when they rate the performance according to how they skate technically, literraly if they did all the jumps and acrobatic numbers and did them correctly, well it is understandable, you can measure and compare that. But marks for the artistism, beauty of dance, well, it is laughable for me, because it is just matter of taste. And shortly put it is bogus rating, in my opinion.
I do appreciate you speaking your mind, because it is interesting to hear other person opinion. Hope you are doing great.

[strych9ine]

Edited. Might as well leave this spicy stuff off the forums. :)

Each judge judges based on the factors that Manley just listed. You all want a point system to subjectively quantify each dimension of a piece of artwork, fine. It was planned for future rounds with larger pairings anyway. But consider this... you try rallying a large panel of professionals who have busy enough schedules as it is and tell them to judge 271 pieces of artwork, each requiring more in-depth judging for multiple categories and to type out all of their results before sending them back. Not going to happen for such a large tournament. Now that it is smaller, yes, we will implement something a little more intricate. Just take into account the scale of this thunderdome, it's huge. Of course a more involved judging system would be nice, but not everyone has hours and hours to spend judging this thing. Think about it.

[Dirty C]

Actually, if I were to be a pain in the ass and say something again, I'd say that while I agreed with the Goo's scale earlier, that I think the pragmatic approach is that we'd really just like to see the damn things judged.

Jason's categories? Excellent idea. Actually getting a result in less than six months? Also excellent. *shrugs shoulders*

[Justin.]

I fail to see why 2 grown adults took so long to drop the subject or at least take it to PM's, but it isn't really my business.


CAN'T WAIT FOR ROUND 3!!!!

[Noë]

Ah well, I agree with a lot of MagicGoo's opinions about some matches (except for her own match I guess), I know you (magicgoo) are saying that you only write down your opinion, but I have to agree with Cody that you didn't write it down very nicely. But Cody.. Why react like she's a crybaby and all. I mean, Ursula feels her match has been judged unfairly, that's her opinion. She's probably a bit irritated by that, and while typing a post with her opinions, she put that in too (not very kindly, but oh well)
It's just no use going to deride her for that, just because she expresses her feelings that way. She's human too and all..
I personally would feel very sad if I read a message like that about me.

Oh and about the judging system. I think it's fine the way it is. The judges dó generally have the best idea of what's the better image. The rating system would just take too much time. And since it's a thunderdome; only the best person of the group can win anyway, so why not just pick your best?

Ah well, enough said.
Let's move on.. shall we? :P
ROUND 3!

love and hugs
Marleen

[Jason Manley]

no more fighting...i know yall are passionate...but this is a classy event and needs to stay as such.

j

[hurricane]

congrats to all the winners, and esp. to you Nic ! grats grats !

but 5-0, it stings alittle.... oh well

next time!
cheers!

[bwkeough]

ah, it turned out as I suspected, congrats to Main Loop!

heheh, "Waaaambulance!" I'm also a big fan of "we have now entered Waah Time" and "Some one's got their Cranky Pants on." :D

[strych9ine]

Hugs at my place. Long, uncomfortable ones, but still hugs nonetheless. Let's get on with this thing, eh?

[sve]

No. Not yet, Strych9ine. more uncomfortable ones, please >:| .

[Mike Dutton]

And perhaps the courtesy of a reach-around....

[joiton]

Sve: I'm always impressed with your sensitivity. Is amazing how much you can see on a piece of art.
I want to thank you for taking the time to comment on my piece.
About the piece I must to admit I didn't spend the time it deserves. That got me whit the half of the sentence in my head, the words you couldn't read :)

The main idea of the piece was that the girl was trapped (not in any specific way, just a metafore) and she was escaping by the means of a fart, so the fart would be her soul.
And the exclamation signs are key holes. I think the problem is I make the picture in a too bright monitor, and the subtle padlocks i put hidden in the folds of the sheets get lost.
Dont turn out exactly the way I wanted, but I think is a nice picture though...
Thanks again for the time :)

Loizze and Snarfevs: Was great to having you both on the same match :)

[Y-S]

How do you create all like these? Is it sketch, then wacom, then photoshop?

[Noë]

Oh I have a question for Hurricane; what feeling did you want to call up?
Because I read that people find it funny, but I actually find it a very sad piece.. Or is that just me having sad thoughts? :P

@Y-S; I think it's more like sketch - wacom+photoshop or wacom+painter, or just ehm oil paint + brush, or water color + brush.
Some people create everything digital, and some do everything traditional.
As for Photoshop, there are many tutorials on it. Check the photoshop subforums to read a bit more into that :)

love
Marleen

[Mythmaker]

congrats to all the winners, and esp. to you Nic ! grats grats !

but 5-0, it stings alittle.... oh well

next time!
cheers!

Hope you don't feel too bad about that - your picture was one my favourites! :)

[willerthekiller]

Hi, im new here, just registered, and this was the first thread I checked out. Just wanted to say its really some amazing art beeing done here. Thnx for letting my eyes rest on your art! :D

[redehlert]

Olá! Bon dia! I just returned from a week of fun in Lisbon, Portugal! Pardon my ramble, but I must....

First of all - continued WOW factor from this collection of interpretations of 'The Escape'. I'm thoroughly impressed and wish that much like MikeC in round 1, there would have been some big battle for Jason Chan....oh well, round 3 will have some treats in store for you Mr. Chan, eh? :)

Second - my hat is off to Sham and Dougbot. Both of you elevated my work. I feel I have succeeded in more ways than one. I had a wonderful group of individuals to have constructive crits with. Thank you so much for all of the support - you know who you are!! I started quite a few concepts and kept revising and tweaking thanks to input. Research was a blast - I think I watched 100+ video snippets on octopuses to understand their behaviors and characteristics. Gathered an insane image collection of my topic. Drank a ton of café and put in a lot of time. :) Had a lot of time to develop and not rush anything. I had moments of doubt, moments of bliss, and moments of serious contemplation of how to proceed next. Each time I updated my piece, it got better and better - all thanks to crits and keeping an open mind. But again, it was Sham and Dougbot that caused me to continue in the mindset I had against my wonderful round 1 competitors (flaptraps and michael see). Thank you for this opportunity to grow in an open and free environment. I have succeeded in growing as a result.

Third - bravo Doug! You took your work in a new direction - realize this new potential and continue to explore. My wife thought you were a shoe-in winner in our round during a brief look see whilst in Lisbon. Your work may feel less than done, but what it has is an easily understood solution to the topic. I thought I had ya by the nose hairs, but Sham used that in his piece. ;) Keep us proud and win round three, Doug! You have a tough round there!! Go Seattle!

Fourth - I sincerely appreciate the crit Sveta! And props to all who gave me a kind nod for the work.

Fifth - I would personally like to learn more about how I could have improved my piece. I open this up to the judges and any competitor/visitor to this thread. Please either PM me or respond in my sketchbook thread. Paintovers are welcome.

Obregado!
Dave

[maxetormer]

ASUM, inspiration galore, Thanks for all this wonderfull art!!!

[Y-S]

Oh I have a question for Hurricane; what feeling did you want to call up?
Because I read that people find it funny, but I actually find it a very sad piece.. Or is that just me having sad thoughts? :P

@Y-S; I think it's more like sketch - wacom+photoshop or wacom+painter, or just ehm oil paint + brush, or water color + brush.
Some people create everything digital, and some do everything traditional.
As for Photoshop, there are many tutorials on it. Check the photoshop subforums to read a bit more into that :)

love
Marleen

Thanks Noe

[Halos Chain]

Inspirational. GOOD job everyone.

[IronOtaku]

What's with all the genitalia? I've seen many pieces here that demonstrate skill and creativity. However, there's a lot of trash posted here. Honestly, is there an age-requirement to get into this thread? If not, then the images need to be child friendly. Plain and simple. Be responsible.

[Aly Fell]

What's with all the genitalia? I've seen many pieces here that demonstrate skill and creativity. However, there's a lot of trash posted here. Honestly, is there an age-requirement to get into this thread? If not, then the images need to be child friendly. Plain and simple. Be responsible.

Ha ha! Great first post mate! You're funny you are! Interesting that this appears after the recent post in the lounge concerning the crazy suspension of a teacher in Texas over nudes in the Dallas Museum of Art....

[nicolas]

What's with all the genitalia? I've seen many pieces here that demonstrate skill and creativity. However, there's a lot of trash posted here. Honestly, is there an age-requirement to get into this thread? If not, then the images need to be child friendly. Plain and simple. Be responsible.

I actually went back and consciously looked for nudity or "genitalia" as you put it.... ya, there is some of that, but like I said I had to look consciously because like most people on these boards I look at art differently; what does the piece communicate, what skill is behind it, what colors did the artist use, etc. And quite honestly, I cant take your post seriously....hello, internet....there are much easier / and for a lack of a better word "better" ways to get nudity than looking through threads on a concept art forum.

And here is something else I want to point out, because this annoys me about the stance you people ( I don't mean to generalize, but you DID take the point of the "moralist" here), there are as many images with violent content as there are with nudity.....THAT doesn't seem to bother you...WHY (maybe because you're from texas??...I kid). but seriously, why is nudity more frowned upon then explict violence? does this make sense....??! not to me.... so to me you've cancelled your critic from the start, because it doesn't seem like a valid point, just the most obvious to pick on nudity.....

think. then wait 5 minutes, then think again. the before you post.... think again.
same goes for speaking.


N

[S.C. Watson]

Ha ha! Great first post mate! You're funny you are! Interesting that this appears after the recent post in the lounge concerning the crazy suspension of a teacher in Texas over nudes in the Dallas Museum of Art....
That was my response too. One of the members is fucking with the thread.

[conceptx]

awsome work here... very very inspiring. can't wait to see the winner.

[central]

HOLY #@#@#@#@#@ !!!!!!!!!!!!! my mind is gonna blow !!!!!!!!!!! AMAZING WORK ALL !

[joiton]

Originally Posted by Nicolas
there are as many images with violent content as there are with nudity.....THAT doesn't seem to bother you...WHY

Totally agree!
Its a shame how a penis/vagina scares people in "our" culture... something that a cutted off head seem unable to do.

For me, something to think about...

[IronOtaku]

Now that we've seen the 'tried and true rebuttals' As if there is a good counter argument for why nudity/genitalia should be kept out of the sight of children...

What is the answer to my question? Is there or is there not an age requirement to get into this forum?

By they way, some good points came up. Images displaying extreme violence should not be made available to children either.

And, sure, it's the internet. So why should anyone assume a role of leadership in an area such as this, when it's so much easier to pass the blame to someone else?

[strych9ine]

Use another thread for this discussion. Start one up in the lounge if it is enough of an issue to you, but not here. Thanks.

[Justin.]

As tempted as I am to use a sarcastic rebuttal... I'll say this;


Thanks Cody for makin' the LMS. Great work, you seem to have attracted quite the crowd :D

[trevor]

iron otaku
im prety sure the republican / christian right needs you somewhere else
senator foley needs all the support his child screwing ass can afford
nice of you to post your first time now
(im pretty sure ive seen penises. vaginas and violence here before over the last few years... nice of you to finally take notice) destroy fine art! make it dead! and while your at it destroy creativity, ideas and free creation.
what you want is a sterile environment
im sure several hospitals caan provide the bubble for you

sincerely
purveyor of filth
trevor

[trevor]

oh and btw
if ya dont like it
get the F out

[Fellah.]

What's with all the genitalia? I've seen many pieces here that demonstrate skill and creativity. However, there's a lot of trash posted here. Honestly, is there an age-requirement to get into this thread? If not, then the images need to be child friendly. Plain and simple. Be responsible.

haha, omg - scared people like you make me laugh. And then i cry a little over the stupidity of a post like this. Calling art trash just because there is some nudity in it? Get back to your kitchen, mom and never come out. The world is sooo evil:P
Sorry all, back to the art:S

[S.C. Watson]

Carry on IronOtaku's question and answer here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1052226#post1052226).

~Oreg.

[niky]

Good evening every body,I'am a new comer.
Those works are very crazy .
Mybe you don't approver my standpoint.

[hurricane]

Noë : thanks ! i wanted to communicate "stupidity" and "unselfish happyness" haha, they laugh and die at the same time. Kidnap a princess just to get a cheap laugh... plus they're naked OMG OMG!!
peniz

Mythmaker : thanks! i'm ok

cheers all for liking my piece !

[PeanutButterWerewolf]

Wow! I just stumbled into this. Kick ass concept!!!!!

[GordMacDonald]

I just came across this thread - once again I am reminded (and thrilled) by the incredible number of extremely gifted artists there are.

You guys all rock - Big Time!

Gord

[IronOtaku]

Wow. An entire thread set up just to reply to me. You guys seemed to like my second post as much as the first.
To be continued in 'the appropriate thread'...

[Breakfastburrito]

wow..

some of them made me get c hills

[Orm]

When will there be more stuff for me to look at?
is there a deadline for the third(?) entries to be finished?
I missed it.

[jacque81]

Pretty damn sweet works of art people!

[strych9ine]

Orm, entries for Round 3 are due the first week of November, but signups for this thunderdome are long over. You can read this thread to follow what's been going on up to this point: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78509

[VoraciousFrope]

Holy crap! I mean HOLY CRAP!!! Loved the base-jumping deadfolk and the woman tearing that voice-inhibitor thingy off her throat. Great job, everyone!

[faargnauts]

lol im a retard cakes:teeth: :teeth: :needle: :blah: :D :android: :upset: :blahblah: :P :xbox: :sony: :360_old: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo: :nintendo:

[Pound]

Stacey Diana, That [iece is just awesome, not hoe pople usually just say awesome, but actually AWEsome. It conjures AWE inside me :D


Really, I hope you win, your piece just.... wow, good job.


Also Shadoman, good luck, i love yours too.

[shadoman]

Hey Pound, thanks. Round 3 is going to be brutal.

[willism21]

I'm new here, and I have some questions regarding these paintings: Do you start off using pencil and paper then transfer it to the computer or no? How necessary is a Wacom tablet? Are all these paintings done with Photoshop?

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

-Willis

[Pound]

I obviosuly can'r do this standard of digital painting, but I start off with pencil, and it makes it much harder to do realistic drawings, becuase you have to cover over your lines. And once you've done that you lose all bearing, so doing it straight poff from a wacom is easier (i use a mouse thgohu, becuase i only tested a wacom at my friends)

Anyway, Shadoman, I don't mind giving compliments where it's deserved, i also looked at your webiste, you ahve some nice stuff there, beautiful use of colour, infact thats especially true on the piece you have here.

And the contrast, well done.

[trevor]

if your doing digital....
you NEED a tablet
usingb a mouse is like
doing dental work with
a ham
useless for the most part
and there are a few threads here

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

to help you

[strych9ine]

"Using a mouse is like doing dental work with a ham"

Trevroar, you are a poet.

[Kevin Lam]

Awesome work by everyone
Really liked Dave's, Jason's, and TheBrave's art

[warpy]

omg so much art. a feast to my eyes.

[Lufanda]

hey there just wanted to say hi and that i loved the work keep it up buddy!!:dur: :dur:

[Pound]

hey there just wanted to say hi and that i loved the work keep it up buddy!!:dur: :dur:


Which one?


or


This isn't the work of one person!


:P

[staceydiana]

Pound; hey thanks so much!Thats really kind!!great to hear that the image still has impact....since I got pwned by amish ;] YAY

[Ving]

cool :]

[Vyle]

Wtf!!!!! Ving Is Alive!!!

[strych9ine]

lmfao, Ving you so craaaaaaazy!

[Kliment]

Amazing, thank you!!!!!

[Icon]

ving is my hero!

[viag]

yo Bro ! :canadian:

[Ving]

yo, yea i am so the hero around here

[shahzadmasih]

Hi, This post is very informative, however I would like some specific information. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,

[ikuru]

lets have another one plzzzzz.