In the shadows of the Steps of the Daily Crew: My Odyssey [Archive]

Avetice

June 6th, 2003, 05:06 PM

I see all this daily work from so many here. I thought I knew dedication but then I came here and have seen displays which have proven to me what real dedication is. I cannot let myself be so lazy anymore. I am by no means happy with my progression and I won't settle till I truly understand how to interpret what I see.
I am making a promise to myself as many others on this board have done to produce at least one piece of art each day, wether it be a sketch, a portrait, a color study, anything.
Making this as a post will only help me to complete this task as annoying as I hate myself for it, peer-pressure does help me :D
I will also do one master copy or plaster cast drawing every 2 weeks. I have to start out slow with those cause it takes me a while.

I want Jason Manley, or whoever has the power to ban me from the boards if I don't do this. (of course I'll pm you though if I have to move or anything of the such post what I have missed in absence.)

Avetice

June 6th, 2003, 05:08 PM

here is my first painting and drawing.

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/painting1.txt

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing1.jpg

Tomasis

June 6th, 2003, 05:22 PM

hehe I wish you GOOD LUCK!

I could wanna be banned if im geting to be too lazy :D

Avetice

June 7th, 2003, 04:24 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing2.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing3.jpg

Avetice

June 9th, 2003, 12:54 AM

I keep sketching this head in hopes of eventually getting to be able to gesture for portraits much easier. Gesturing the body is pretty easy for me and most other things but when it come sto the face i dont know what it is.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing-4.jpg

I.was.ink

June 9th, 2003, 04:42 PM

Allright! We've got you now. Muahahahaha! you have now begun your journey, can you handle it?

keep it goin! :D

Avetice

June 9th, 2003, 08:55 PM

hehe thanks i was more worried about people thinking i was just copying what some have already been doing, but i decided to say screw it and go for it anyway.

Avetice

June 9th, 2003, 10:57 PM

Study from Anatomy for Artists on the back muscles, I don't draw backs enough and I don't have a model =/

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice//drawing-5.jpg

MindCandyMan

June 10th, 2003, 02:47 PM

Ok the biggest thing you have to remember now is never to go back on what you said. Lots of people have come in and said that...and they are not around anymore. Don't be one of them. Keep going. :chug:

p.s. - Did I say DON'T STOP :o

Avetice

June 10th, 2003, 07:50 PM

geez webhosts are so selfish LET US HOTLINK FOR FREE DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i spent half the night trying to find a free website that would let me hotlink cause the picturetrail site wont last much longer, but nooooooo i had to resort to geocities cause im too poor to afford a domain.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing6.jpg

heres mr plastercast head again, just studying the jaw joint even closer.

Avetice

June 10th, 2003, 10:37 PM

I think I need to try something other than heads tomorrow, cause dammit i dont want to just be a portraitist!
......just gotta figure out what to do for tomorrow :D

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing7.jpg

Avetice

June 11th, 2003, 10:46 PM

Did some car stuff today, gotta get one of those id guys at my school to show me the basics of car drawing cause i know these aren't very correct :D

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing8.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing9.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/in4/avetice/drawing10.txt

http://www.angelfire.com/in4/avetice/gesture1.txt

of course stupid me did the gesture after i messed up on the interior bigger one /slaps himself
...ref used on all of them[

MindCandyMan

June 12th, 2003, 08:14 AM

Keep it up avetice. My advice at this point would be to spend a lot longer on your drawings. Really take care with the lines and the shading that you are putting down on your paper. I would suggest doing an all out pencil of that cast that you have. Take your time and make it look as realistic as possible...of course all the while you will be doing other sketches. Keep it up.

Avetice

June 13th, 2003, 02:03 AM

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/drawing11.txt

hmmmm well i tried using the hatching i studied from that anatomy for artists, but i guess it works so well that way is because of how nice it can show skin rather than plaster.... or maybe i should drawn the head bigger to leave more room to work with values.

Avetice

June 14th, 2003, 02:07 AM

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/drawing12.txt

dammit i always mess up on some part of the structure of my drawings and I can't tell its off till I start rendering/shading it and I don't know why.

amphex

June 14th, 2003, 07:01 PM

Keep it up man...at this point its all about dedication, something that I lack completely.
just keep practicing, theres nothing holding you back!!! (and if there really is..uh..n/m then.)

Avetice

June 14th, 2003, 09:09 PM

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/drawing13.txt

Avetice

June 16th, 2003, 12:26 AM

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/painting2test.txt

it took me forever to get the side of the cliff when i had the picture at 1000 or so pixels, i thought i was staying away from detailing it at first, but realized i really didnt have the side of the cliff established well enough as a shape because i got caught up too much on one area of the cliff trying to get too many shapes when i didnt have all the large shapes completely established.I notice I tend to go to one extreme of the other, like with values i.e. very high constrast, or very low constrast. Same thing happens with a lot of things I do in terms of art, and I think thats what happened with the shapes. I know to work on big shapes before detailing, but i didn't go in a progressive fashion from large to small. I just went and put in the large shapes(flats) then jumped to the smaller shapes. So I shrunk the size of the image and it helped me get back to basic shapes.

Avetice

June 17th, 2003, 02:34 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting2.jpg

*sigh* this took wayyyyyyyy too long to finish

Avetice

June 17th, 2003, 03:11 AM

bah, and now my bandwidth limit has been reached
ok time to find another server to host me images

I.was.ink

June 17th, 2003, 09:50 PM

why don't you use deviantart.com Once you've uploaded your pics to them, look at your pic at 100% and right click to open it in another window. Copy this url and baam! a free host with no bandwidth limit. It's great!

Oh.....I almost forgot about your pics. One thing I suggest for a different approach to shading is to make shapes out of your shadow shapes. Don't get fooled by the transitions, but make those shadow shapes into, well shapes. i.e, if a shadow goes from like a 7 (on a scale of 1-10) to a 10, draw three different shapes. And incorporate those shadows with your line. One person who I love the way they manage their shadow shapes, and line is retro. Check out his sp's in the guest sp section. He does this ver well imo, and I think it might help you out a lot.

Oskar

Avetice

June 17th, 2003, 11:38 PM

I.was.ink. - Yeah I tried doing that with deviant art but either they took it down or they just cut off the hotlink cause the red x was there again after a little bit.
Thank you for the advice I shall remember that and try it out.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting3.jpg

Avetice

June 19th, 2003, 04:18 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting4.jpg

bah, i can draw many elipses fine free hand...
but once i have to put one elipse inside the ring of another one or above/below the other elipse like on the cap, i screw up.

MindCandyMan

June 19th, 2003, 08:38 AM

I know exactly what you mean man...ellipses are really difficult that's for sure. I love the lighting you used on the box...bringing that brown from the table in really makes it look realistic...keep it up bud you are going strong and doing well...don't lose your steam

Avetice

June 19th, 2003, 10:48 PM

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/painting5.txt

one day i'll be able to translate color from what i see to my drawings/paintings more precisely.....it just sucks that its not that day yet!
one day though!!!!!!!

I.was.ink

June 19th, 2003, 11:54 PM

But hey, that phone is proof that you'll get there one day as long as you keep pushing yourself. Just as many of us are. Great progress. ! :)

Avetice

June 20th, 2003, 10:40 PM

iwasink: thank you :)
I'd get there quicker if i didn't have to keep looking for a job everyday on my summer break when i could be drawing/painting most of the day. If i dont get a job though i wont have money for art supplies for the fall semester =/
im sure everyone has something pissing them off and taking time away from their drawing and painting :D

...ok enough talking heres part of a poster for our family for an american cancer society thing, it says dunking for donations on it.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting6.jpg
here was what i went through to come up with it, a few thumbnail layouts, then i did some face studies
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/layouts.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/study2.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/study1.jpg http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/study3.jpg

Avetice

June 21st, 2003, 02:45 AM

oh geez i never noticed that daily sketchbook section hidden in sketches and doodles.....doh
should i just move all this stuff over to there? put most of it in links?

Avetice

June 24th, 2003, 02:45 AM

sorry for the delay, i was literally out of reach of a computer for a few days with the exception of a few quick stops at home to pikc things up for the american cancer society.
anyway heres one from saturday at the relay.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing14.jpg

Avetice

June 24th, 2003, 02:48 AM

then heres one i did using the scenery i could remember from the american cancer relay thing on some spare time making a stop at home.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/paintin7.jpg

i dont like it very much, i guess what i was thinking in my head got mixed up vague ideas of paintings from other people.

Avetice

June 24th, 2003, 03:35 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing15.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing16.jpg
did that after going through a book of buidlings and tried to make one up myself. and i alo tried to see how somoene would fit into the scenery of the building to see how it would look real quick.

MindCandyMan

June 24th, 2003, 07:09 AM

That last drawing shows really good use of light...good job.

Avetice

June 25th, 2003, 02:12 AM

mindcandyman: thank you, yeah i know the pictures may seem quick but they weren't because it takes me so long just to figure out in my head what step to take next in the drawing. Hopefully after this coming fall semester i should be able to draw straight lines so no more of this skewed perpsective shows up!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing17.jpg
this one i used a reference for the face from bowling for columbine, workin on trying to show non-specific emotions.

Avetice

June 26th, 2003, 01:20 PM

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/drawing18.txt

amphex

June 26th, 2003, 07:26 PM

Wow, your really progressing.
are you taking a life drawing course???
anyways, keep it up, and as some guy says in some song, "DONT STOP WHATCHUR DOINNN"

Avetice

June 27th, 2003, 12:26 AM

thank you amphex, im not taking any drawing classes right now, but I do go to some life drawing sessions at a local art club that has them a few times a week, not nearly enough times though for me :D
I only get to go thursday nights and saturdays.
i hope these show up
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing19.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing20.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing21.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing22.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing23.jpg

Avetice

June 28th, 2003, 12:33 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing24.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing25.jpg

Avetice

June 28th, 2003, 11:42 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting7.jpg
well heres a watercolor started late, stupid summer road construction and on the freeway too.

Avetice

June 30th, 2003, 03:30 AM

wow i suck at drawing insects,
tried doing some creature concepts but never did them before really and so i went to insects to study.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing26.jpg

MindCandyMan

June 30th, 2003, 08:21 AM

yeah insects are tough...you did that watercolor while you were on the freeway?? Were you driving? :eek:

Avetice

June 30th, 2003, 01:14 PM

yeah i was really pissed because i was up till 4:30 doing sketch afte sketch trying to get some sort of creature and nothing resembling a creature was coming out so i decided to do an insect study.
The watercolor though i didnt do driving haha, no i meant i started the watercolor late because i was late for the life drawing class that i painted it at because of construction.

Avetice

July 1st, 2003, 02:11 AM

well tonight was nicer to me, but thats because it wasn't creatures i was doing....but i am filling page after page of crap on creatures because well practice is the only way i wasn't born a creature designer :D

...i think i make it hard on myself though because i refuse to use any humanoid desing structure for the creatures...meaning trying to create weird creatures that don't have a head atop of body structure with arms etc. (if i get a good concept for one of what im talking about ill put it up :D)

anyway here is a face
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing27.jpg

Avetice

July 2nd, 2003, 12:11 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting9.jpg

man this whole job searching thing is really really annoying.
im only lookin for part time and nothin, but it's the enormous amount of time its taking from my summer that pisses me off.
...time that could be spent getting better and being one step ahead for the coming fall semester

Avetice

July 2nd, 2003, 10:51 PM

http://www.geocities.com/avetice/painting10.txt
i gotta paint earlier than 9pm too many mosquitos at that time =/
well on the plus side of doing this landscape was i met some ladies, i'm gonna have to do landscapes more often!

Avetice

July 4th, 2003, 08:54 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing28.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing29.jpg

both from life drawing ......i'm beginning to not like using 2b pencils because of how low they are in their ability to produce a wide range of grays. They almost rip the paper when you try to go to dark. From now on ill probably buy 3 or 4 b pencils :D

I.was.ink

July 4th, 2003, 06:33 PM

That blue landscape is pretty sweet.

Jeff Gran

July 5th, 2003, 02:23 PM

you should keep a range of different pencils. start out with your 2b for the initial sketch and just break out the softer ones the darker you need to go.

Avetice

July 6th, 2003, 10:52 PM

geez im sorry guys, i haven't been around for a while, i have a bunch of traditional stuff to post but my scanner isn't working and I haven't had time to work at home on my computer stuff so as soon as I can find a friend that has a scanner ill get the stuff up. i wish i could take a baseball bat to my scanner right now and then burn it, then piss on the ashes. anyways soon as i can ill put this thread upto speed.

Jeff Gran: thanks for the advice, hehe my pockets are already full of different sketch medias. I guess i have a tendacny to just stick to what i have in hand when im drawing on a time limit like in life drawing. I want to get the dark darks quick and the lights quick.

MindCandyMan

July 7th, 2003, 07:16 AM

those figure studies are very good...the woman's portrait is nice man.

Avetice

July 11th, 2003, 11:32 PM

ok finally, sorry for the long delay, since my stupid scanner wasn't working. Damn do I love warranties!
Anyways heres my stuff from way back thursday till tonight.

July 4th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing30.jpg

July 5th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing31.jpg

July 6th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting11.jpg

July 7th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing32.jpg

July 8th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing33.jpg

July 9th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing34.jpg

July 10th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing35.jpg

July 11th:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing36.jpg

Avetice

July 12th, 2003, 11:42 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing37.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting12.jpg

well me learning painting now must be what i felt like when i was trying to draw decently in highschool.

Avetice

July 13th, 2003, 10:31 PM

well, when at a loss for what to draw, draw the self :D
didn't feel like doing any still life stuff tonight and not enough time to do any color stuff so i took another look at myself.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing38.jpg

Avetice

July 15th, 2003, 03:43 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing39.jpg

bah i noticed afterwards that even while approaching it differently, i reverted back to mark-making style that i felt comfortable using. I guess without knowing it I reverted to something I think worked before instead of pushing ahead and trying different ways portraying the shadows and volume.
So thats what I have to do for tomorrow's post.

Jeff Gran

July 15th, 2003, 11:27 AM

I know what you mean, man. It's hard to break old habits. It looks like your habit is to rush the shading, making it look more like cross hatching. My advice would be to take a lot more time and use a softer technique...try to really work in to each area and not leave any lines behind, only blending from one tone to the next.

Avetice

July 16th, 2003, 02:33 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting13.jpg

me and color need to get along better dammit

Avetice

July 17th, 2003, 05:59 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing40.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing41.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing42.jpg

I.was.ink

July 17th, 2003, 06:17 PM

Good progress so far. Why don't you try some life drawing? In a figure drawing class?

That's the best move I ever did. They usually have them at a community college. The best practice you can have imo.

Avetice

July 17th, 2003, 10:47 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing43.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing44.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing45.jpg

I.Was.Ink: haha good timing, I just went to some life drawing today(thursday). The only thing that sucks is its at an art club house and not a school where someone teaches anything. It's pretty much you do it all on your own without any guidance. I've pretty much either drawn from those sessions, or from my head. It seems when i go from my head the pose if correct in proportion either is too stiff or to wild of a pose. They only have the drawing sessions on thursdays and saturdays.

Avetice

July 18th, 2003, 11:08 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing46.jpg

Avetice

July 20th, 2003, 03:51 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing47.jpg
well when i use a reference things can turn out ok,.....so it took jason 6 or something figure drawing classes befoer he didn't need reference???
dammit thats too far away, i gotta find a quicker way

Avetice

July 21st, 2003, 02:09 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing48.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing49.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing50.jpg

Avetice

July 21st, 2003, 11:01 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing51.jpg

well im actually happy with this one sort of, i still revert back to the way i drew before college when i draw from my head, it pisses me off.

MindCandyMan

July 22nd, 2003, 08:35 AM

I like the last one too avetice it's nice! I know what you mean about reverting back...it's easier to use our brains to interpret than to actually take the time to observe...it's a constant struggle. Keep up your momentum man.

Avetice

July 23rd, 2003, 02:49 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing52.jpg

sigh, and another one bites the dust =/

mindcandyman: yeah and filtering what does and doesn't need to be shown is somethin i think i really need to work on,
thanks for the reply, i'll come visit your thread soon :D i just gotta find some time to do some browsing, other than posting in this thread.

Avetice

July 23rd, 2003, 11:42 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing53.jpg

Avetice

July 24th, 2003, 11:30 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing54.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing55.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing56.jpg

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing57.jpg

... yeah i really screwed up on the arm underneath the legs in the last one

Jeff Gran

July 25th, 2003, 12:52 AM

hehe, ya, that would be one magic arm. Life drawings look good though, for the most part. I wonder, how long are these poses? If they were my drawings I'd say 10-15 min. Don't worry about that last one, though...looks like you spent most of the time on her face, which looks very good. I also like the shading you did on her leg and other arm...minimal but stylish and it gives a sense of the form.

Avetice

July 25th, 2003, 01:26 PM

Yeah I did work on the face most of the time, but still, no excuse for proportion problems =/ just gotta suck it up and measure them before i do any rendering. :D
They were all about 10-15 poses.

Avetice

July 25th, 2003, 11:54 PM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting14.jpg
still putting on my belt with color, not even near putting any notches onto it et.

Avetice

July 28th, 2003, 01:28 AM

This one is from Saturday(yesterday) A quick study drawing with paint and a paintbrush instead of a pencil something i need to do more in my sketchbook (done from a model at life drawing)
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting15.jpg
This is the more complete one from the same session as the previous.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/painting16.jpg

Today:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing58.jpg

Avetice

July 29th, 2003, 05:41 AM

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing59.jpg

Avetice

July 31st, 2003, 03:52 AM

Tuesday nights:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing61.jpg

Tonights:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/avetice/drawing60.jpg

MindCandyMan

July 31st, 2003, 07:09 AM

that portrait is creepy great job!

Avetice

July 31st, 2003, 11:24 AM

Mindcandyman:
thank you, that's what happens when its really late at night and you almost fall asleep a few times during the drawing :D. So I decided to just darken up the eyes a lot as a first instinct for my tiredness.