Alyena

[bOne]

Another heroic fantasy concept


http://bonestudio.free.fr/images/alyena.jpg

[Forge]

I love the homard sword!!! ;)

[syco26]

That is a cool concept.I have seen a few people do that back ground texture - is it the paper you use or is it added on the computer?And don't suppose you would like to share how you do it because it looks great.

[bOne]

it's just a texture behind the drawing. It's very easy to do :)

[Atomicfate]

impressive bone. nice job :)

[ChadTHX1138]

Awesome!

I like how that strap is held in place...

[Kambei]

Tight Character

I really like the narrative of the character, all the interesting
story points such as the sword and the hood/ hem of the costume with the spine like structure on it, make me want to know more about the back story of the character..

Once again good stuff..

[R_M]

The outfit is cool! very simple and at the same time it has a lot of punch.

[Krail]

this is a great concept, it made a great special edition miniature for a french fan website for CONFRONTATION the miniatures game.

I didnt know bOne was the original artist on it though.

A lot of the heroic fantasy pics youve put up have been drawn from the Confrontation miniatures just as this one has, your drawings a great, Ill give you that but the original idea belongs to the artists at Rakham, I think you should probably note that in your posts. It isnt like your drawing pictures of the HULK and everyone knows oh thats the hulk, you know what Im saying?

I aint trying to cause no trouble or anything, just give credit where credits due.

word

http://www.mythdrivinglegend.com/alyena.jpg

[Loga4]

Again nice work,bOne!Congrats!

[tegehel]

Well, I'm curious now. Are you, Bone, the author of the concepts that those pieces were taken from, or did you just draw your images based on the miniature?

If the latter, then I think, indeed, that you should make it public knowledge, because it wouldn't be original artwork, in which case it shouldn't be called concept.

If on the other hand, you did the concepts for that piece (and/or other pieces), then you have all the rights indeed.

Might wanna clarify.

C.

PS: regardless, I like your style.

[Happeh]

Nice boobies! ;)

[DNA]

I like this one .Good work

[Clodhopper]

...i love the pic BOne
again with the super clean linework and amazing style.

. i hate the "omg is it original?" commentary.

Krail- props on yer ability to notice similarities. but keep them on yer own posts okay. and unless you are the origenal photographer of that photo, i don't think the author would approve of you using his pics without a link to the site- "i just beleive in giving credit where credit is due", ya know?.

-bottomline-
I like BOne's pics. I don't care who or what influences them. what difforence does it make? Bone makes this site better with his work.

furthermore- calling "influence""ripoff""stealing ideas" on someone is NOT constructive critism.

[tegehel]

Clodhopper, I MUST disagree with what you're saying. You obviously have no clue whatsoever about the Illustration and Copyright business and seem to totally disregard the potential immorality of the entire subject.

There's copying to learn from others, which is accepted as long as credit is given.

Then, there's using someone's art and, by copying AND displaying it WITHOUT giving due credit, making it his or her own creation. This, is by law, regarded as stealing. It's pathetic, cowardly, stupid, immoral and illegal.

As a professional, I can tell you that myself, like others, are very touchy when it comes to that subject. If I create a piece to make a living out of it, it's my sweat and I certainly don't want anyone to use it without my permission. If someone copies it and doesn't give me credit, then someone's stealing my idea and my art to spread their fame, or to make some money. If someone's using it, I want recognition and remuneration for it. It's only fair and it is ethically recognized as the right thing to do. Why do you think you have so many copyrights infringements and lawsuits going on?

In the game industry, I've seen that happening, and people got fired AND black-listed. You know what that means? that means they'll NEVER get a job in the game industry again, because it's such a small industry that people talk all the time, and everyone knows everyone else.

Your attitude is exactly what's wrong: People should care, and this is serious stuff.

I like Bone's style and I like his pictures. If he is the author, then he's earned the right to display them as he sees fit. On the other hand, if he copied this piece and omitted to declare that he wasn't the original author, then he is by default appropriating for himself the original idea behind the picture, which is immoral, to say the least.

Additionally, this subject is absolutely constructive as long as it can show to people that there's a VERY serious issue going on here, and can't be dismissed "just because you hate the commentary." Maybe if you tried to make a living as an Illustrator, you might understand better.

Additionally, this is not the first time this happened. I am SO GLAD that this site's taking this seriously. Look below for proofs:

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"This thread is now locked, and the user is now banned.
This site has a STRONG policy against the copying of other users art work, even if it is just a small area of a piece."

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5877&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

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"ooooo caught, banned, and shunned.

thanks, Pat Duke. I'm locking this thread so the flame war doesn't get too big, but i'll say what everyone wants to say
"YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND I HATE YOU""

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7217

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Indeed, this is sad. It should never happen, but it does. I think people have the right to demand explanations if some issue's ambiguous.

I sincerely hope that Bone's the author, but that's not really the matter of this argument. Proper recognition is.

Peace,

C.

[Clodhopper]

no one is paying money to see these pics. so there is no copyright infringement. in my opinion, It took more than enough artistic intuition to produce the kind of pic that BOne has done here- we are not talking about tracing or copying. This is a 2d sketch from a 3d miniature- with alot of design difforences, and origenal pose and shading as well. to call it anymore than "influence" is a wrongful accusation.

I will be extremely upset if anyone gets banned becuase of this.

[Ankh]

If you look at this forum's name, it's called "Concept Art", meaning ideally, what's meant to be displayed here is exactly that. This is someone else's concept, drawn from a miniature with a few minor changes. Although I appreciate and admire the technical rendering skill, credit definitely should've been given to the original artist / ref. I'm most assuredly not attacking bOne, as I admire his style and technique, just echoing Krail's recommendation.

...and apparently you, Clodhopper, despite your ardent attack on others, don't know much about general copyright law. Go look the topic up, and get back to me.

...actually, don't. I won't follow this thread any further, and I won't take part in a flame war. ...Just know a bit more about the subject before so vehemently attacking someone's polite suggestion to acknowledge the almost-identical "inspiration".

[mtomczek]

Well its sad that this has been a re-occuring theme around here. If you want to keep about your ways clodhopper you arent going to get very far in this field. As an industrial design student, I am very aware of theft of designs, etc etc. What bone has done here is immoral and wrong. whether anyone is paying for it or not, it is still theft of an original idea, and concept by not giving credit to the original creator of the character. So what if the pose is different, the shading etc. It doesnt matter, it is still the same character seen in the picture of the miniature. Taking someone elses work, changing a strap and maybe eye color does not denote original artwork. If you want to sketch from others work thats fine, you can learn alot from looking at others work, but if you are going to show this to the general public, i.e. conceptart.org, you need to give credit to the original creator of the piece. I think anyone who does this should be banned from the community as this does not promote a healthy environment.

[_Mario]

i am not sure but bone is located in paris (from profile) where rackham is located (company that makes these miniatures)
and his work looks like rackham concept art
you can find some at: www.confrontation.fr

[jayceel]

Maybe before accusations fly we should wait for bOne to come back and explain if he is the original creater of this concept.

I don't think swiping can ever be accepted!!!!

JayCeeL

[bOne]

This a design that I made for the official federation of the french game confrontation Conf'Fédération du Dragon Rouge (http://www.conf-federation.org/).

They asked me do the design for an official Tshirt, and they wanted this character Alyena.

[Aleksi]

I just wanna add something.

Confrontation is a game made by Rackham ( located in Paris )
I know some people there.
They've got a fantastic artistic crew ( my friend Living Rope and other very very talented guys (and girls :) )
The piece that Bone had done is just a little commissioned work for the community of this game...They just asked him to do a reinterpretation of the character...
And I don't know if Bone work for Rachkam...All his recent stuff looks like, as a good professional, he's doing new pieces for his book to show them...with the same feeling and spirit.
Bone don't copy, in my opinion. All his others characters seem to be originals
He just fits the style in order to show them what they would looking for...


And if I was them, I would certainly asked him for concept arts...


just my opinion...

[kness]

Hi

I'm the webmaster for RACKHAM and Confrontation website.

Officially, this should be considered as a fan art.
No problems with the company, cpoyrights and so on :D

thanks bone, you're making great work.
( you should give credits, and tell when it's original characters or something else, you would avoid such discussions ;) and everyone will be happy in a perfect world :rolleyes: )

[Clodhopper]

ah, I'm very releivedl; hope we will be seeing more of your work real soon Bone

....i was really surprised at all the people that made preconceived accusations.

[tegehel]

Good clarification.

Clodhopper: if you actually read carefully again, you will notice that noone's actually _accusing_ Bone of anything. It was all in the realm of speculations and what ifs, but I think the questions were fair and noone should feel guilty about posing them.

...and it even has a happy ending.

C.

[Wubbs]

Very nice. Love the colors.
:cool:

[Happeh]

I do not understand this copyright stuff. It seems to be going crazy because the technology is available to look all over the world for things.

There are only 2 sexes in the human race. To draw a human it has to be man or woman. How can that be copyright?
All women have boobies. Lots of them in lots of cultures wear dress type garments.

The idea here is that there are what?, 5 billion humans on the planet. If you took 1 hundred of them, they could draw every conceivable combination of facial features, clothes, postures and colors in maybe 5 years time. Would that mean those 100 people can claim all the money that the other 5 billion make when they draw a human being? Throughout the rest of history? Seems silly to me.

Copyright law is for corporations, not people. Copyright is to protect mickey mouse for disney for 70 or 80 years. Copyright is about money. The whole idea is bad for the human race. Where does inspiration come from? Other people. The whole human race would sink into quiksand and never move forward if people could not build on the ideas of others.

I can hear people saying "How do I make a living?". ;) Well, you probably will never be corporate mega rich if there are lax copyright laws. You might want to consider something though. If you are corporate mega rich, would you still be an producing artist? Or would you quit art and enjoy the money?

[darkcult]

Happeh

:confused:

[platypusStar]

Okay, it seems that people really don't understand copywrite at all.

Look over tegehel's posts, these are quite accurat in describing copywrites, as well as how screwed you will be as far as concept art in the video game, movie, or television industry goes.

Happeh, half of what you're saying needs to be clarified, very much. If I understand correctly, you are saying that there is a FINITE number of concepts that can be created, then copywrited. This is untrue, as every artist can concieve his or her own charcters, and their designs. Some designs may have INSPIRED aspects, or portions that reflect a current concept, but in combination with various elements, there is an INFINTE number of possibilities.

I do not understand this copyright stuff.
Copyright law is for corporations, not people. Copyright is to protect mickey mouse for disney for 70 or 80 years. Copyright is about money. The whole idea is bad for the human race. Where does inspiration come from? Other people. The whole human race would sink into quiksand and never move forward if people could not build on the ideas of others.

First off, copyright is for EVERYONE, including people who take art (be it drawing, music, etc.) as a hobby. Perhaps this is best solidified and proven from an a bit of info from the COPYRIGHT WEBSITE.

Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed.

Nowhere is "corporation only" mentioned. Need further proof? Here.

Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

I cannot grasp why people are refusing to acknowledge the basic fundamentals of copyright here. It is law, and it is important to this industry! As a current student at a video game school, I have been lectured more than once, and been quizzed on the basic idea of copyright.

A guest speaker from ILM (Industrial Lights and Magic) mentioned a former collegue of his used material in his demo reel that was NOT of HIS CREATION, and was caught, fired, and cannot find work because of this.

I'm going to leave the copyright website link for those who wish to find more out abou it. Tegehel is not making an attack on anyone, but simply stating the nature of the industry. Those who understand can try and convince you until we're blue in the face, but the choice is yours. There is not reason for us to lie about this, what does it bennefit us?

COPYRIGHT WEBSITE (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/)

I suggest those are confused or in disagreement visit this site, read, learn, and if necessary, see if you can contact someone to question them on the nature of copyright.

Clodhopper, no one made any preconcieved notion about this work, it's authenticity was simply a CONCERN, and no one has made an attack on the artist. Bone is an amazing artist, and I have thoroughly enjoyed the work posted. I'm personally glad the artists in this forum are keeping each other in check, I find that very important.

[DragonGX]

Im releived to hear that Bone. Youre one of my favorite artists on CA, and Im glad that everything worked out ok.

Keep it up Bone :D

[keyth]

i agree. keep'em com'n Bone. great work!
however, i also agree that props and nods given to the original designers should be noted...not only to avoid confusion...it's just kinda cool.:p

[tegehel]

I just wanted to share something I've seen on Sparth's website. He posts here from time to time. This to show that it can happen to anyone and it is, indeed, serious stuff.

C.

"i was a bit surprised today, to find out that there were a lot of peeps coming to my site from halflife mapping mods. some days ago, a very kind person from a hl mod asked me about using an image for inspiration. i told him that it was okay from the moment the image was being shown with the author's name attached somewhere. but while wandering around the web, i find out that this mod had been using 30 images from my site, also sending images to major gaming sites assuming that these images were strictly attached to this mod. it was an illegal situation according to me, and i mailed this same person about that fact. i then told him that borrowing images fro the entire site was obviously not something possible, and he indeed removed most of these images. however, as this mod does not involve any money, i gave permission to the mod to use 10 images, stated by mail, in order for me to write these down.
now to be honest, this mod maker should have known that no matter the reason, using such an image must be done carefully. it is obvious that grabbing all you can from a site is not something decent, such an autorisation was supposed to be given for inspirational means, or maybe an image, only if the artist's name is credited. not for a complete gallery.
conclusion: images on sparth's colab are protected, and it is not possible to use these without autorisation. ... later"

Sparth's site (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/arth/home.htm)