John_the_One -=Manga Sketchbook=-

[Tomato]

This is now my manga only sketchbook, as i have made a seperate one for my life drawing so i can try to motivate and encourage myself to draw more and more and loads more!!!!

Click the link in my signature for my life drawing sketchbook!

[Mr Man]

Glad to see you got your sketchbook up. You better update it often, as will I hopefully.

[Tomato]

As son as my PC comes tomorrow and my scanner, i'll be drawing and posting away :D:D:D

[Tomato]

Wahoo! First scanned image!!

Lets see if the wuality of the picture is any better now? C&C are very welcome :D

[Seedling]

Fun stuff. :-) What will you be studying in college?

[Tomato]

I gotta figure out how to use this scanner and this weird version of photoshop correctly. Anyway, here is another quick piccy :)

Seedling - By the way, i already go to college and i study a BTEC National Diploma in Art and Design. Its about the same as getting 3 A-Levels so its pretty cool stuff :) Glad you like my work, stay tuned for more :D

[Tomato]

This is the same picture as above but i re scanned it and made it bigger so you can see whats going on :^^:

[Tomato]

Here is a character i'm going to work on in colour, however i might re draw him again because the lines of his stubble are too close together and i can't sort it out properly in photoshop. I'm either too tired or i can't be asked lmao :D

*falls asleep*

[max xiantu]

I like the style, reminds me of Guilty Gear X.
I'd like to see how a very loose sketch looks from you, these all have a more finished linework kinda vibe goin on.
The claw mark scar/tat on the last guy is hot.
show me more :.

[Tomato]

This is Jin Antonic for a Dragonball Z style story me and my friends threw together today at college :D I know his name is silly but i'm thinking on a new one at the moment. I'll be cleaning this picture up in photoshop and then colouring him in, which i'll post updates and progress shots in THIS THREAD (http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76776). I hope you like :^^:

[Tomato]

I noticed Jin Antonic's left has was rather small and his right forearm looked weird, so i quickly tried to fit it, lol :P

[Haxxxor]

Hey dude, great sketchbook so far.
Your manga drawings are very well done but you didn´t find your style yet.
the last one is a bit like dbz... the eyes are directly under the eyebrowns.
use your feelings to find your own style, draw directly from mind and don´t try to copy a main mangastyle.

also for inking, you better use a g-pen .... the lines will get more intresting. belive me!



i look forward to see some non-manga drawings... they will help you to understand the human body and you´ll see that your manga drawings improve!

keep it up and don´t forget to leave a comment in my sketchbook^^

[JenZee]

the last one is a bit like dbz...

I think he says that it was for a DBZ story in the post ;).

And I say take your time with style... it's something that will come with time, typically on it's own. Every beginner learns from the pro's! heck I remember doing nothing but DBZ carbon copies back when I was starting out lol. Trying to be "stylish" without learning the basics is probably not going to go very far... I like how you're working with dynamic poses, and paying attention to your anatomy (and perhaps most important, looking to improve when you see the mistakes ;))! Pretty good so far, though I would suggest you try some gesture drawings (like stick figures) so you can give your characters a more "relaxed" look. The DBZ guy and others look a bit stiff.

Good luck! Keep posting :)!

[Magic Man]

If you want to even come close to painting and illustrating what you see in your head, I'd suggest giving up all this anime stuff right now and start doing some studies.

Loomis, Bridgman, Hogarth, that should take care of your studies for the next 6 months.

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[Tomato]

If you want to even come close to painting and illustrating what you see in your head, I'd suggest giving up all this anime stuff right now and start doing some studies.

Loomis, Bridgman, Hogarth, that should take care of your studies for the next 6 months.

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Lmao :D Hopefully yeah! I've seriously gotta get my hands on a Loomis book so i can start to draw some more realistic stuff. I know i keep saying that but i really do wanna do it. Money is short right now though but i'll get a new anatomy book soon :D

Here is a new picture of my Dragonball Z Character:

[Meatsworthy]

You can always browse the other sketchbooks and study their studies as a start, it's what I'm doing.

I have the same issue as you, I copied comic books a little too much growing up. The result is a very iconic representation on things without a proper understanding of their shape + depth in 3 dimensions. Which meant most things I draw usually turn out side profile for heads/hands with bad foreshortening. It's been a hard struggle unlearning bad habits, so start early! :)

[Tomato]

I do like to check out everyone elses work here! Its great to see other people improving and its handy to learn tips from them :)

[Tomato]

More pics i drew :D

[Jason Rainville]

I think you're doing a lot better with faces john, but your bodies are really stiff and super-regimented. I suggest taking a look at some loomis and doing more rough, quick and lose gesture and figure drawing.

:)

[Mr Man]

Come on johny boy get some quick sketches down. They dont have to look anygood its just about understanding the movement, posture, wieght etc.

[Puck]

Hey John, good start, but i agree that you really should be focusing on vanilla life drawing before you play with stylising it. I love anime illustration (the more mucha-ish the better) but you'll be better for it if you forget about anime for a while in my personal opinion.

Also, you can get the Loomis books for free on the net at;

http://acid.noobgrinder.com/Loomis/

They are super inspirational if you take the time to read through them.

[Tomato]

Here is a shit load of old pics i found in my most recently filled up sketchbook :D

Enjoy :)

[Jason Rainville]

Hey, nice studies! do more of those first few pics :D

[invinciblewombat]

avoid concious stylization it hurts much more than it helps by locking you into one set way of drawing, just draw from life, your own style will come with time

[Tomato]

Thanks Rhineville. I'll get some done asap. I have some sketches of some clothing, focused on creases that i gotta show you all. Its the same assignment Mr Man is doing except i choose clothes instead of skulls. I need to work more on my clothing for my characters anyway :P

[Tomato]

I did these sketches over the last 2-3 days. I'm working here on the contors of the face. I've been kicking myself before i don't think i can make the females look like females. I know its still drawn in this manga style, and i know all you lot have told me to break away from it and draw from life, which will help me, i know, but i love drawing in this style and i can't just stop doing it :P

sorry... :(

I will get some life drawings done asap and stick everything i draw here, so keep checking for updates :D

[kuroart]

I'll agree with everyone here about drawing from life before doing any kind of stylization. I guarantee you any of those anime artists worked from life before doing what they do now. It's not a bad thing to just sketch around like you are doing, just make sure you're doing atleast an equal amount of drawing from life.
keep up the posting.

[Tomato]

Kuroart - Thanks dude. I'm not ignoring what people are telling me, nor am i accusing you that you're saying i'm ignoring people :P I just love to draw in my anime style so much, i don't wanna stop. I draw a lot of other things as well, but i only ever post my anime stuff, cuz i'm just so deeply in love with it, lol. Yes i know, i'm sad, but its what i like to draw :P

[Jason Rainville]

Joohn, from the last bacth I can see you're getting better at drawing faces. One thing I see though is that you consistently place the eye furthest from the viewer too high. otta do some practice with the structure of the face and such, I suggest loomis 'drawing the head and hands' it is currently helping me quite a bit with faces :)

[Tomato]

Hey Rhine :D

I just looked at some of my pictures and i have noticed that the eye furthest from the viewer is too high. Ok awesome, i'll check some Loomis out :D

Does anyone have a link to his PDA files online or know of any bookstores that may sell it?

[Tomato]

Some quickies i scribbled the other day

[Beonarri]

*Clears his throat*

Okay. Before I start this, I want you to know this is not a personnel attack. It has nothing to do with your person, I'm sure you're a great guy and you're very nice. But this is something that has to be said to you. You'll thank me for this later in life. Right now, you (and probably anyone who reads this) will think I'm an asshole.

So...hear it goes...


You can't draw.

After going through your thread, all I'm seeing is copying off of anime. This requires almost no skill, and very little talent. What you need to do, and you have to listen to me on this, is to stop copying anime, and actually start drawing. When you copy stuff, no matter what it is, you are not learning anything, you are not expanding your drawing abilities. All you are doing is repeating something that has been done already. Copying does not show any kind of skill, there is no anatomy, no knowledge of how the forms work, and no knowledge of the basics of art, drawing, and design.

I know, sounds harsh, but this has to be said. I'm not one to tip-toe or tap dance around an obvious situation when it comes to art. This is the kind of thing that has to be said, and I guess I'm the one who has to say it.

Now, what can you do about this? The answer is a tough one.

I want you to totally and completely forget anime exists. Forget that DBZ exists, especially. Forget manga exists as well. In fact, pretend this is Oceania in 1984 and the entire genre of anime has be disintegrated. It does not exist, has never existed. Now, you say you are going to an art and design college, correct? Well I am certain that they offer drawing from life classes. YOU NEED TO TAKE THEM. Especially if you want to draw for a living. Take a lot of them...all of them if you can. You need to draw figures from life, forget about style. Draw what you see. Draw what you observe. Do not draw from memory.

Take an anatomy class. It is one of the keys that will ensure you can draw the figure well, and you can draw the figure from your mind. Get an anatomy book, in fact, get two...more than two. Start drawing from those. You have to learn what is happening beneath the skin, before you can understand how to draw the figure as a whole. You need to understand how the bones connect, how the muscles attach to the bones, how muscles overlap, how muscles affect each other during movement, and what the proportions and shapes of the muscles groups are.

Do not worry about style yet, style is secondary and will come out when you start actual drawing. In fact, I would say you don't have a style. You can't get a job imitating anime/manga, it just doesn't happen. And "ape-ing" the style not only degrades you as an artist, but the artistic community as a whole. If I came to ConceptArt, clicked around the forums, and found this...I would leave.

I know, this is really harsh, but its the truth. Probably the one bit of truth left in the world.

After you've learned how to draw, you can move on to bigger and better things. The figure is a corner stone in the foundation of art and you better have a good one or you won't be able to build anything.

Written with aid from Avetice.
I graduated from the College for Creative Studies in Detroit, Mi. He is a senior in the last semester there. So I (we) actually have some idea of the way art works.

[Listing]

Beonarri is right in saying that you have to drop this anime imitation. And you can draw you're just not in the right way. Copying is actually solid study, you learn much from it. However, never copy from anime because it's structurally flawed and invariably flat (that's the style). Right, so study from life, draw everything. Refer too to great tutors in the figure as George Bridgman and Andrew Loomis as well as old masters. Don't be discouraged. It's all time and effort. Never think you're not worth it.

[Tomato]

Beonarri - To start off with, please don't jump to the conclusion that i COPY all the manga i draw. I don't copy manga. I have studied anatomy, although no where near as much as i want too, and i have also attended several life drawing classes. I have many more classes coming and i plan to go to them all. All the manga i draw, is not copied. I study books and read them carefully and try to adapt what i see into my manga.

Yeah, everyones hates manga. So what? I like it and i enjoy drawing it but its not the only thing i do. I draw from life and study anatomy, but i'm no professional and i have a lot more to learn.

I apperciate your comment, but it is annoying when everyone tells me to stop drawing manga when its something i like to do. I'll always draw manga. I want to be a professional manga artist and i know i have to study anatomy and attend life drawing classes in order to do this. I'm not ignoring anyones advice.

This thread is mainly focused on my manga. I just want to show people that i can draw it and so i can show everyone how well i'm improving. I'll start a new thread with nothing but life drawing in if that'll make everyone happier.

I'm not having a go back, just trying to tell you how i feel.

It was pretty mean of you to say i can't draw... feels like you've just thrown my dream out the window...

No, i don't think you're an asshole. your trying to help and i apperciate this.

Listing - Thanks :) At least you said i can draw. I agree that copying from life is useful, but i don't copy manga. I study it, and read it, but when i come to drawing it, i do it from my head.

I will study more life and anatomy and i'll post them at some point. I won;t get better over night. I have to practise loads.

[Infinit]

my only tip for now is to not simplyfy too much#even when keeping theanime style

keep it up mate

[Tomato]

Infinit you scallywag!!! Where have you been all this time????? Its good to see you here dude and i'm gonna start throwing in more real stuff. No more manga past this post!!

I repeat NO MORE MANGA PAST THIS POST!

I'll do real studies from life and anatomy sketches so i can show you i can draw and i'll keep doing this till i break out of manga and start to become a real artist!

[Wakkawa]

Well thats a good start then. Though, now you have to really push yourself to do it.

[Beonarri]

Well. I'm glad to hear it.

I guess I was right to not write a scathing reply, to your reply, of my scathing original.

[Tomato]

=D I'm sketching from life and reference pictures of real people as i type this. i'm only focusing on eyes right now so i can warm my wrist me. then i'll get some better pictures done. i'm thinking about sketching eyes, noses, mouths and ears seperately, then attempting to draw a real human face... then i'll sketch shit loads from life and anatomy studies and attend as many life drawing classes and draw people i see on the train and walking around college. Just gonna grab a new sketchbook and draw draw draw draw draw :D

[james]

mate, we knows you can draw, and whilst it would be nice to see stuff other than manga (i realise you're posting no manga from hence forth but pah) if you enjoy manga, do that too or maybe start another thread for it. as for the rest, tis always nice to see a fellah's range. as everyone is saying, life drawing and anatomy studies are the way forward. i know that's true cos it's what badger tells me if i'm drawing. which isnt very often...

good to meet you buddy.

J

[Tomato]

James - Ok, you got a point there james :) I still wanna draw manga but i'm not gonna do it no where near as what i used too. Anatony and Life Drawing is the way forward from here :D

[Jason Rainville]

Hey John, thanks for commenting in the ol' profile :)

I'm on the middleground with the whole stylistic thing. I think you should do studies alongside of what you want to do. I think it would keep your interest in art up while also letting you kinda merge the two better. Draw from life a few studies of the figure, then draw from imagination a figure. I think this way you'd be able to remember certain forms more easily when you draw from the noodle :)

EDIT: not sure if it was mentioned, but your heads all have the same angle to them. Might want to practice with some more views.

[Badger]

Alright mister, how are things?
Right, slow down, and vary your line weight, at the moment everything is the same line weigh which tells the eye that they are all the same prominance.
The problem with this is that fabric doesn't fold as sharply as the nose leaves the face. this applies to the rendering on muscles as well.
When drawing shoulders in different positions, the whole mass of shoulder muscles shift up and down, you are drawing them all in the same place. When simplifying you first need to know how the complex bits run.
if you are drawing heads from multiple views then you need to consider the eye changes angle, the eye is a sphere set in a socket, it looks completely different from different angles, drawing it similarly from multiple angles gives the viewer the impression it is on a seperate plane.
Get those clothes off the body also! it looks like you are drawing the form then the clothes onto those lines, but them above the body, they'll give a better impression of form.
Heh. I think thats enough for now.
You are obviously drawing a lot, just take a lot more from life, when you are out, watch people and the world around you. Watch their mannerisms and their motion, this helps to bring life to your characters and gives them life.
Get drawing John!!
-B-

[Infinit]

I'm the always watching guy in the BG!
didn't you know we germans have this sepcial trait? all of us, it gives us +10 to dexterity and +2 to sneaking and mean grinning

:D

[Tomato]

ok, thanks guys :)

I'll work hard on anatomy and life drawing etc and i'll also continue my manga on the side :)

Cheers for the advice. I'm gonna need more in the future :)

[Tomato]

Here are a couple of anatony drawing a did for you... i did them at college today before i had to go to lessons. What you think...?

[gigglepixie]

Not a bad start on the anatomy. Do lots more!

[Mr Man]

Yeh cool start, keep em cracking. One suggestion is to have a play around with some shading rather than just having a general line drawing. that way you can exlpore shapes better and get an overall understanding of pretruding muscles etc.

[Tomato]

Here's some more

I know they look stiff, but the model was stiff :P

[Tomato]

For a assignment at college, i am supposed to do 25 drawings... sounds simple enough. The object i have to draw has to be reletive to me somehow, so, i thought i'd draw my sword collection :D

1 of 25

This is part of the handle to one of my swords. The handle and sheath are made from wood. The blade is obviously metal, but i haven't drawn it yet :P

More to come :D

[Mr Man]

Yo dude come on pick up the pace abit :P How about having ago at some small thumbnails of the hilts so you get an idea of the structure, also if you have a desk lamp use that to make the shadows easier to capture.

Later man :)

[Tomato]

Well this one looks totally bollocks because my scanner has broken already :(

2 of 25

[Puck]

Hey John

First off, those Loomis books you wanted are already in this thread. I posted a link to them above but i don't think you saw them, so go and have a look and download them.

Secondly, good on you for doing some anatomy, it's like health food for the artbrain whereas drawing manga, although it feels good, is like icky icky junk food. Seriously, I know you're enjoying it, but you'll sooo thank us all later once you've comfortable with anatomy.

Thirdly, I don't agree with that "you can't draw" thing. Everybody started like that, don't let it phase you. If you enjoy drawing manga, then go for it, because it's better than drawing nothing at all. I spent the first 5 years of using a pencil drawing Sonic the Hedgehog, Mario, and ninja turtles! (it took alot of drawing figures to cleanse myself of that evil, dirty time, but if i had stopped drawing Sonic, i probably wouldn't still be enjoying art today). So don't feel bad about liking manga, enjoy it, but don't expect to become an artist doing it. (maybe that can be your reward after doing some figure studies! a quick and nasty DBZ character with really big hair and gigantic eyes...ahhh, feel better? back to anatomy.).

And Finally, imho, i think the only way to get better when you start is to draw from life 80%, and from imagination only 20%. Cause let's face it, drawing can be hard work, especially when your not good at some aspect of it, but that's how you get better. So go out there and sketch you little heart out!

[Tomato]

I know, i've been naughty and drawn some more manga. Its not finished yet. I want to have some chasing him in the background so it makes it a more interesting picture, then one of my usual profile pictures :P

Enjoy...

[mentler]

Hard work is paying off

[Tomato]

Enjoy a blokes face :D

[Tomato]

I drew this on the train to college out of bordem. I know it sucks, but what do you expect from drawing on a train? :P

[Mr Man]

hehe have you been sneakily drawing me again boi :P

I thought you said no more manga beyond that post?

[Tomato]

1 of 25 samurai model sketches

I lost interest in drawing my swords, so i turned my attention to my Samurai Models. I only have 2 but i'll draw them both in several different possitions :D

Enjoy :P

[Tomato]

gigglepixie - Thanks dude :) I'll do loads more anatomy so check back when you can.

Puck - Aha! Thanks :D I found them but i couldn't view them after downloading... weird... thanks again though :)

mentler - Oh :D Thanks dude :D

Mr Man - I'll always draw manga :P I just won't post so much as i used too :D

[Mr Man]

Hey man, I like the lighting on the samurai dude :)

[DannySketch]

hey john some great progress being shown here i know it sounds ooober boring hammering on about it but the studies you do are really important man, keep up with them, some things i find helpful (not saying you have to do them just that i find them helpful) doing studies, ref drawings and then stuff from imagination of all the same thing ate once....if that makes any sense, say for example i will studie the torso in hogarths anatomy book for like an hour, then i will draw lots of reference pictures of half naked men that make my dad worried for another hour, and then i'll draw from my imagination but focusing on the torso,

i find it really helps me hammer home what i am trying to accomplish, first you learn, then you refine, then you remeber, then you repeat 50 times over untill you wanna top yourself :)

sorry about the rant, good progress keep it up

[Tomato]

DannySketch - That wasn't a rant :) That was some useful information that i'm gonna try out! Thanks :D Its good you can see some progress in my work as well! Thanks again :)

[Beonarri]

I'M BAAAACK!!!!!
MWAHAHAHAHA!

You started away from anime/manga and swung right back around to it. There's something that you have to remember. You have to remember to understand the forms of the figure. You're drawing too much from memory and relying too much on what you think is the figure. You have to learn to draw what the figure actually looks like, not what symbol you think it looks like. This happens with people too caught up in manga. They repeat the same shapes and symbols over-and-over again with out drawing anything. For example, go through the thread, and look at the faces of the characters. Look at the features of each drawing, specifically, at the noses. They are all the same. There really isn't any progression or change between the drawings.

You have to learn how to draw the figure accurately. Life drawing is the most important part to learning how to draw the figure. But also, this is where actually going through books and books of anatomy help.

Start from the ground up and draw the bones. Draw them a lot. A whole lot. Draw them until you're sick of them, then draw them some more. Then draw the muscles. Learn how they fold and move and how they connect to the bones and how they affect eachother.

Then you can go and draw whatever you want.

Since you're not gonna listen about my no-anime rant, then I will say this. Anime artists had to learn anatomy too. Look at any top-shelf high quality anime, the drawing is top-shelf as well. No matter how much stylization is done ot the figure there is a sense of underlying anatomy and a knowledge and understanding of the forms.

[Beonarri]

Ok.

Here is an example of anatomy. (Please forgive the crudity and sketchiness of the drawing. It was done in a hurry) I have taken Squall...the same artwork from your avatar and draw his arm muscles.

Now, if you take away his head. You can't tell that that is anime. It just looks like a drawing. They emphasis here is that style does not matter. The person who drew this, has a concise understanding of anatomy and how the figure is structured. The stylization of the face and the stylization of the figure don't mean anything. It's all esthetic. It's meaningless. He didn't start with anime and work the figure underneath it. He started with the figure and threw a mask of anime on top of it.

I have taken and drawn the muscles of the arm next to Squall's. I used some of my own understanding, while referencing Richer's/Hale's anatomy book to make sure everything was as close to correct as possible. Next to that, I redrew Squall's arm, without the details. That took about two seconds. It took almost zero effort because of my understanding with anatomy. The arrows indicate roughly the flow of the arm.

Does this make sense at all?
I hope I am getting somewhere with all this.

[Mr Man]

Come on dude lets see some updates! :O

[Tomato]

The sever went down last night, just as i was gonna update my sketchbook. Fucking dumbass connection and internet. Oh well, anyway, here are a couple more pictures:

Samurai 2 and 3

Enjoy :D

[Tomato]

Beonarri - Welcome back to my sketchbook dude :D I know what you're trying to tell me and i'm not ignoring you, but i always have drawn manga and if i stop drawing manga, i might stop drawing all together. Its my comfort zone where i fall into if things aren't being drawn correctly or for some whatever reason. I'll do some real stuff and get it posted soon enough, but don't expect to see as much manga here as i used to post, ok? :P

Mr Man - Be patient my padawan! The sever is shit and i lost connection to the internet last night, about 5 mins after you signed off. I've posted 2 more samurai anyway so be happy with that. I'll do more later tonight :P

[Tomato]

Samurai 4

Here is no. 4 of my samurai pictures. I didn't bother shading in this one so you can actually see what the model looks like :P haha. i'll experiment with more techniques and media as i get more comfortable when sketching him :)

I have got 2 models, so i'll draw about 10 of this one, then about 10 of the second. I have to do 25 in total, but 5 of them have to be on a larger scale, so i prob won't post those ones here as my scanner is only a4 size :P

[Tomato]

Samurai 5

Another pic of the same Samurai from a different angle :P

Enjoy...

[Tomato]

Samurai 6

Tried a weird angle this time.

[Tomato]

NAUGHTY! MANGA!

However, this manga piece was drawn from a reference of a real person. I don't know if thats cheating but you can't really see much of the body, skin wise, to do detailed anatomy. I just really liked the image i saw while browsing a book and thought i'd draw one of my characters in the same possition :P

Don't worry!!!!! I'm not gonna bore you with loads of manga. I'll mostly stick my samurai pictures, life drawing and anatomy in here. I'll add a manga pic to even everything out though once in a while :P

Ok, below is my picture, and the reference i drew from :)

Enjoy... :D

[Tomato]

:S oh geez... it looks terrible :( I must have drawn it from a funny angle... oh well... You won't learn from your mistakes if you don't make any :)

[Tomato]

A picture my girlfriend wanted me to draw :P

Sorry its manga! No more manga for another 4239524301673896713-57815713- posts :P

[Tomato]

This is part of the picture of what i'm gonna do to those bastards who mugged me today after work!!! :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: >:{ >:{ >:{

I need you're help on the anatomy issues as well so i can make it look good. I know his left fist is too small so i'll edit that after i get some help from you guys. I know its crappy manga, but i'm in too much of a bad mood to do it from life. I'll study more life drawing tomorrow.

Ta :D

[Tomato]

A groovy picture i really like of one of my dudes which i had drawn on a train :D

[Tomato]

Another picture i drew with shading similiar to my previous one :)

[Tomato]

A picture of Isabelle lying down :D

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/john_the_one/Isabellelyingdown.jpg

[4rt-r41d]

"Sorry its manga! No more manga for another 4239524301673896713-57815713- posts" :)

looks good, now paint it! :P

[Tomato]

This went wrong :P Its supposed to be a view looking up at the character but i drawn it at a cranky angle, and i still suck, so there :P

Lol...

[Fuu]

WOAH! their awesome! im so crap at drawing *tear* need to improve but yeah anywhop, their amazering!

[Tomato]

Wakazou - Hey dude. Nice of you to visit my sketchbook :D I'll try and colour her in when i get enough free time :)

Fuu - Lol! :bashful::bashful: Thanks dude :D I'm no where near amazing, but its real nice of you to think that :)

[Tomato]

More pictures! Yay!

[Haxxxor]

Hey man some improvement here!

but you do the typical mistakes of manga( i did them too)
you don't improve your drawing skills with manga.

i think you should understand forms of the body.
things haven't to be shaded , you can show form with lines if you want, but lines that discribe the form.

so learn the anatomy from books, draw from live and you will understand the form and volume.^^
i promise you, your manga skills will improve fast!

keep doing your life drawings but i don't say to stop manga i like this stuff too :)


the last ones look promising!!!

edit: ohh i saw that beonary wrote the same thing ... (but better) hehe

greez

[Grizzliman]

Oh my god i love your work really im freaked as well as you on manga bud.. Keep fighting against the dark side luke!
Keep drawing like that!
bye

[JERI]

If manga's your thing, you might wanna do some more sketches of other manga artists' characters as well, including their techniques.

[Mr Man]

Update John! I know youve had plenty of time to be drawing :P

[Tomato]

Here are a few pictures i drawn over the last couple of days. I would do more, but i'm pushed for time with my new job and being 6 weeks behind on my college work ^^' :teeth:

Enjoy folks! :teeth:

[4rt-r41d]

ah. more manga i see. keep at it. draw more :)
and well see about the pint :P

[Tomato]

Inspired from Mr Man to do an Update. Sadly its all manga right now, but i'll be bringing you a shit lot of life drawing stuff soon :)

[Justin.]

Here John, just for your birthday;

[Tomato]

I'm bored so i'll show you a couple new pics i worked on recently. They are of the same characters but in the first picture, i drew the couple too far apart, and because i couldn't be asked to faff about in Photoshop to fix it, i just drew the whole thing again. Enjoy and please crit :D

[Tomato]

Don't ask why they are cats... they just are >.<

[4rt-r41d]

kinky shit want to see more!

[Tomato]

New piccy. His left arm was edited slightly and made shorter cuz is was huge compared to his right. I hope it looks better now?

Anyway, enjoy :D

[Bill_Rizer]

Nice stuff man, im into manga as well, what some of the guys are sayin is true, its a good idea to learn anatomy if your serious about this.

Im more into drawing mecha stuff and robots gundam, bubblegum crisis etc when it come to manga.

Im not that good, I joined here to help improve, on many things.

like you i have a sketch book just for manga and then another one just for mecha and then another one just for anatomy.

your from brumie land I see, not to far from me then.

[CuBixxx]

Hey John! liking your stuff here especially Isabelle!

BTW how many swords do you have? and in reply to what you said on my sketchbook, i prefer swords over guns aswell :P

[Tomato]

A new picture i drew at 4am cuz i couldn't sleep

[DIMAGYAN]

drawing what you like is what you keep doing that, even if you had to spend some hours of work try mixing the too worlds:work and fun...
critic others is a hard thing to do, because you don't know the way that the other person can take it...if you enjoy drawing manga keep doing that, but also pay attention of what surounds you and what others have to say, know what your goals are, because anything cost, if you want to work drawing...
have fun, don't rush your self, drawing or painting is a question of joy and play...and also work(at least i see in that way)
beonarri has some strong but true points, anatomy is important but depends on what you want to do and what high you want to climb, how much you want to depend on reference and pictures,how free you want to feel to draw a person without have to think in anatomy, and how much knowldge you want to incorporate to you, because drawing is a part of who you are but is only a part, we use this medium or another to express what we feel o think,
so then style is depend in what you train to express...a single draw carry diferent information than a comic page, the details of each one are diferent...
i don't want to teach you or made a lesson of this, i just want to share with you a few words like in a boliche(coffee house) talk...
my apologyze if this is offencive...
keep it up, and have fun...

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87259

[Tomato]

Have a picture :)

[Tomato]

Pictures of stuff... :(

[Jason Rainville]

John, sorry to say, but the only thing I think you've improved upon is your line quality. The details of muscles (which is looking exactly like what DBZ used) hasn't changed, the muscles don't flow, the heads are all the same angle and the eyes, even drawn from life, still look anime.

For life drawing: forget about lines. Lines don't exist anywhere in the real world. Sketch a light line drawing of your figure and then fill it in with values that describe the form. Do basic measurements of distances. I don't mean get super-technical and actually see how many milimeters or anything, but eyeball it; see how far one area is from another, how far an arm is to a shoulder, and how that distance measures up to another distance in your ref.

If you have to draw anime, do what you did with that karate guy; ref a pose or a part of the body and use it for an anime sketch. PAY ATTENTION TO JUSTINS PIC as the 'tube' drawings especially are super helpful.

[Tomato]

Blarg.... An Influence piece of work for University... nothing special... Don't expect to see much manga (none hopefully) when i start university... if i get into university....

anyway, Blarg!!!!!!!

[Wasker]

IT'S OVER 9000!
Hehe, dig vegeta. :)

Study anatomy and gestures.

[4rt-r41d]

Rhineville made some really good points, take it to your heart my man!

[Javin]

Okay, first off, to everyone who has told you to quit drawing Manga/Anime, tell them to bite it.

I can draw. I've been able to draw since I was 12 (I'm now 30.) If you put something in front of me, I can put it on paper with a pencil.

I cannot, however, create. You can, and you're good at it. I cannot draw manga unless I'm copying manga. You can. You have talent, and a natural skill. Anyone who trashes that is simply jealous. You've got a niche, and it's a beautiful niche.

And one that actually has a USE. I mean, honestly, how many pencil sketches of life-like humans are on television now? In advertising? Compare that to the anime market?

And speaking of, contact me if you'd be interested in doing some texture/concept work for a book I'm writing on how to write 3D video games. I already have a publisher, and I can let you see the first section of it if you think I'm just blowing smoke here. Could be some good exposure for ya, and with the right work, I might even throw ya a few bucks. ;)

-Javin
Javin@Javin-Inc.com

[asoir]

hah at post above me, it's good that you're going to uni to get some better direction for art, good luck

[Krigbrann]

The stuff on the first page is nice, but what happened with the second?