anyone else been hit with lots of 1 star ratings?

[blanquish]

Me, like many others including Dile, Wolfbane, Dirty C, Magic Man, Mentler, Koshime,Demented just to name a few have been poorly rated down with one star votes, changing a 5 star rating to 4 or 4-3 or along those lines.
ok, im not angry, but i was, because it makes you feel bad about your work and so on, but there are plenty others who got angry

I was rated 1 star several times by a few different people, and its annoying the hell out of me.
thoughts?

I reckon there are several options, ditch the stars, change the meanings or go for a maximum of 10 stars

OH JUST FORGET THIS THREAD, everyone hates me for it.
Just ignore

[Fellah.]

Im getting used to it:rendered:

[Lauren Short]

*goes to vote 1 star on this post...*

[demented]

It's not the fact that 1 star is voted that pisses me off - it's that it's not explained. Whoever just comes in, sees something, votes 1 and buggers off.

Ratings is a great system and gives everyone something to work for, but abusing the system like this isn't helping anyone. It's pretty discouraging building up your rating to like 4.48 and then suddenly have it drop way down when 5 stars were so close.

anyway, banning isn't the answer, and the votes should stay anonymous imo, just leave them be coz anyone who is determined will get 5 stars regardless - no need to fuss over something so trivial really.........

just my 2c :D

- d.

[blanquish]

youve got a good point, but i was voted 1 star like 5 times and it put my rating down like half a star from 3.43 to 3.11
i know its only trivial, and it really doesnt matter, but its like losing a bunch of money, it just makes you feel bad

[Zanconato]

How do you see your star ratings in decimals?

[blanquish]

just hover your cursor over the stars, should tell you if you have em

[Recursive_End]

Well imo it doesnt really matters.
Cause 1) ratings arent the best way to actually juge someone, so it's not a few decimals that would really influence someone at looking at your sb.
2) There isnt always nice people on earth. so deal with it. What doesnt kiils you makes you stronger.
Actually it's a good reason to work harder and eventually lateron have lots of credits.
So keep drawing =)

[Carnifex]

i'm not sure if it isn't just someone frustrated who goes around and gives one star at will to spite everyone.

[demented]

Think these last two posts (Recursive+Carnifex) are spot on and sums it all up very well.

Besides that we've got a predominantly fucking awesome community here which usually helps.

- d.

[ah.heng]

maybe tweak it so everyone's allowed to vote again a month later.
this will prevent the old sketchbooks with 5 from getting twinked because the regulars will keep giving the 5 stars.

but i'm of the position of just ignoring it. it won't kill you to have 1 less star. if you keep putting up quality work in FF then neither should you be afraid that employers won't see your stuff.

[[void]]

maybe tweak it so everyone's allowed to vote again a month later.
this will prevent the old sketchbooks with 5 from getting twinked because the regulars will keep giving the 5 stars.


Im not sure thats a great idea people could just voted themselves up periodically and it wouldn't create a true average of opinion.

[Fipse]

I took the star-rating for fast evaluating a thread when I haven´t had the time to give a crit (and I hate to post "just awesome" stuff) but gave it up because it really doesn´t matter - I´m more with strych9ine here and am now of the opinion that we could simply give it up. A good or bad crit is imo much more constructive. There are other ways to stroke your ego ...

Fipse

[Barts]

well i have no stars so get over it
if someone gives u one star who cares obviously they think ur work is worth that amount and thus gives a more accurate representation of what your work really is

[strych9ine]

I deleted my post earlier because it was a little, say, confrontational. I'll just truncate what I said before, remove the f-bombs, and leave a friendly "suck it up, buttercup." There will always be guys who vote negatively whenever they can, even on the best of threads, and a whiny ass thread like this is only going to open the floodgates.

[blacky]

Who cares about stars?

Everyone is most friendly invited to vote my SB a 1star.

[demented]

Don't agree with that Barts (hope I understood right). There is absolutely no way Mentler's work for instance - decades of experience - is possibly worth 1 star, especially when everyone else rates it either 4 or mostly 5. In fact, it destroys any "accuracy".

Looks like whoever is just voting to bring the rating down. No worries though, lots of other peeps around doing a great job of not only rating, but most importantly giving crits and advice - which is, after all, the point of these forums.

EDIT: Just read strych9ine's post: good point dude, whining about a bunch of whiners won't fix anything. BACK TO ART!
ciao!

- d.

[DavePalumbo]

If people only give 4's and 5's, the system means nothing. just saying.

I've also never once voted on a thread, so...

[AmishCommy]

Fuck Stars, I want Smilly faces and glitter stickers.

what are we in preschool?

[cartoonfox]

Get over it. As simple as that.
The star system is far from perfect, and has needed changing for ages now, and nothing has been done about it.
I don't agree with someone going around voting everyone 1 star, but who say's it's just one guy. And to be honest the 1 star is there, if someone wants to vote that, it's up to them, at their discrection. No one has to post the reason why they voted one star.

And also, why the HELL is 1 star "terrible" or whatever it is. Since when has 1 star been terrible. 1 star should be "good", 2 stars should be "great", 3 stars should be "fantastic", 4 stars should be "awesome", and 5 stars should be "pro" or something. It's just fucked up and I'm suprised it's still the same as it's alwasy been.

Back to the thread, it's all relative to each member anyway, i've seen plenty of 5 stars thread that should be 4, and vice versa.

Pointless thread...

[sve]

If rating doesn't reflect true state of things , what is it for then? to irritate :)? I don't know, I value people' peace of mind. What is this negative for?

[Friso]

I always ignore the stars and dont rate anyway, I mean whats the difference?

[Jabo]

GODDAMNIT! A ******* click and all I've written is gone. I hate you, fingernails!

1. Who cares about stars? I never use them to determine which thread I'll open up. I mean, why should I let someone else tell me what to watch? Those stars are anti-constructive and I'd vote to remove them at any chance. The good art gets hyped, the bad art gets drowned. Working your way up by getting hyped is natural, but in this case no one sees the bad art and leaves it behind.
2. As stated before, a rating-system where you can choose between "good" and "very good" isn't a rating system. It's penis-enlargement without spam-mails.
3. Stop whining! Have you thought of the chance that someone really thought your art wasn't worth 1 star? Get over it.

Working your way up in a group of people thinking they are cool is always hard. There are no exceptions. Jesus had to be pinned on a piece of wood to be accepted (this is not an invention for selfmutilation! :D Just in case someone wants to sue me because some kid got pinned on a piece of wood by his younger brother cause he received 2 stars for his art).

[Agoraphobics]

i agree with cartoonfox... since when is having only a few stars on CONCEPTART.ORG a bad thing? :S

i understand about wanting explinations, but the same could be said for all the threads that are high rated given to people with no work experience or... ability to work. no offense is meant by this, just that... a lot of 4 stars i've seen are not on the level one needs to be to work professionally in this field.

edit- not to say any who are mentioned aren't worthy... just that it seems more of a 'i rated you so rate me' type thing. instead of ability.

of course if the rating is for overall progress and such, then that changes my view on it since there are tons well worthy then.

[bf]

[sve]

You know guys, what makes me tired? Is seeing comments like "stop writing what you write", "shut up", " you can't write what you want to write, I want you to write only what I want", any kind of intolerance to other person different way of thinking than yours. If you are not mod, skip other person writing if is not digestible to you. More tolerance to the world, people! Let 100 flowers bloom, really!
You can keep shutting people up, I will tolerate that, but it sure makes me want to stop posting here.

[Dile_]

hm, hehe , since i was mentioned... why not remove em?
I hate em, It blocks me from draw somehow... if i get high-rated and spoilt, i only post 1 or two pics.. if i get low rated, its just pissing me off, and I dont post or draw at all, because i dont want it to sink even lower..

However2 ~Im with demented , It doesnt hurt me a shit if someone write
"I dont like your stuff because of that and that and that" and explain what s/he doesnt like, and rate me 1 star, and also a way to improve, but Im very annoyed for those who just "hit'n'run" nevermind... im try to not care...



~Dile


edit* Blacky: wtf . I love your stuff :)

[Tetsuo]

If you are more concerned with stars than your own drawing time...i think that there is something wrong. Inherently we are all the same striving for the same goal. My belief is that sketchbooks are good for 2 things - Crits from other people and a reminder to yourself to keep going and keep striving to journey farther along the path.

Star ratings to me are just another way to make your ego a little bigger...and in this business that seems to be what defeats you most.

-TeT-

(edit) - perhaps if we changed the star rating to an automatic rating system. Like you get higher stars the more volume of work you produce? Perhaps a personal motivational tool ?

[asoir]

I want less stars :(


EDIT-
But really, our goal isn't to become Concept Art 5 star gods, its to get good and paid. Well, mine anyway.

[Carnifex]

that would cause a flood of pics that noone cares about,i think. quality instead of quantity. if it was for the pics i've posted alone i'd have a much higher rating already,but i'm still on 3 stars. they kinda motivate me to go on,to make it a 4 star thread,but at the same time discourage me,because it doesn't change in like forever.

[jfwalls]

Stop whining. Who cares.

[Shamagim]

Most people defense to this situation is " don´t mind the stars", but then I won´t be the first to say : Why not remove the star rating??

I would be lying if I said it doesn´t mess with my head one way or another, tho I can pretend to not be affected by some rating, but we all know that is BS.....humans care about how other humans think about them.


I can see how it was intended as a system to motivate people, but the abuse of it is getting the opposite, specially in young amateur artists.

Not everyone has an already solid career to be able to reasure that they are not going backwards.

Just an opinion ;).

[Rascar Capac]

we should stop talking about the stars and try to see how we can continue crit week to last longer - its helps both the artists (hopefully), the person who crits and makes this place even stronger
Also - there should be a CA law that requires that for every post you make in the lounge - you have to match it with a crit:wink:

[magicgoo]

I've never gotten any stars and frankly, I don't give a shit about them. Besides, people have a right to vote whatever they want.

[poise]

Fuck Stars, I want Smilly faces and glitter stickers.


Me too!! and maybe even Pirate faces instead of stars, now that would be something.

[ricksmith]

stars aren't important. what's important is that you're enjoying what you're doing and you're learning something when you come to this site. forget about the stars.

have a smiley instead!:wink:

[Carnifex]

problem is,they may not be important,but they are there. so most people go directly to the 4 and 5 star threads and give a shit about the others. if you're hardly receiving comments it makes it hard to continue your sketchbook.
jw -if you don't care,why are you even replying?

[Zaknafain]

*goes to vote 1 star on this post...*
me too!

I think the star ratings are unfair. Too many sketchbooks with 3 stars that don't deserve it. On the other side: I had a 5 star sketchbook for some weeks. Don't tell me thats fair judgement if people like foster have threads around here with only 4. But hey: who cares?
Reminds me of Deviantart.

omg
PAGEVIEWWZZZ OMG!!!11one! :lens:

[Shamagim]

Also - there should be a CA law that requires that for every post you make in the lounge - you have to match it with a crit:wink:

and/or:

- A post in your own Sb
- A new finished piece in the FF section
- Or anything that can be considered as helpful.

Personally I just made 2 crits to be able to reply to this thread.

[Interceptor]

Me too!! and maybe even Pirate faces instead of stars, now that would be something.

I think that'd be kind of cool, too. A little symbol that represents your work, other than stars.

But in the end it really does'nt matter. I've seen alot of sketchbooks get no lovin' because people will only check out the 5 star books.

[Elwell]

Since I almost always browse by clicking "new posts" I never see the star ratings anyway.

[demented]

Two very insightfull posts, Shamagim, and the one by Rascar. Stars are great for measuring your progress, and gives pretty much everyone something to work for. Think it might be cool if the only the mods get to vote - that way things stay pretty fair all the way.

And of course getting crits and having fun is more important, but having some guy come along, voting 1 and then going away doesn't help with either of those. It's like getting told "You are waaayyy OVERRATED" regardless of what your rating is when all is said and done.

Anyways, just more 2c.

- d.

[talmir]

huhh.. I´ve had several thousand views in my threads, but none of them (my sketchbook or my 3d sketchbook) get any star rating..

4 stars, or even three is better than none.. People go to the star rated threads, regardless of how many.. If you have only one star, then people will go there to check out your crap.

[AmishCommy]

how about rainbows and unicorns. or the Massive Black logo.
or even better a Cock that grows bigger the more votes you have.


i'm soo gonna get banned for this. again. :P








this is a big community. some work will get overlooked. but more often than not the cream of the crop gets the attention it deserves.

[Dile_]

and/or:

- A post in your own Sb
- A new finished piece in the FF section
- Or anything that can be considered as helpful.

Personally I just made 2 crits to be able to reply to this thread.



Ok. Im gonna follow that from now...seriously I know im CA's biggest spammer...
however I made this thread 1 star now :P Hope Blanquish get the type of reaction he wants when he get online in a few hours :)
Ok, No more shittlaking- im gonna scan some pics, go by the crit center, when teh scan is done, i post em in my book, Am I not effective ? 8)

[Wizard of KOZ]

Who cares, just do art. Period.

[MattGamer]

draw draw draw
i wish they weren't stars - but more like wacom tablets or pencils.... or maybe like davi's. that would rule

[sleep]

who gives a flying fuck.

[luxun]

who gives a flying fuck.

obviously some people do.

[hito]

I'm with Amish. A growing cock based on # of votes or views.

[Dile_]

But that doenst matter! then people get angry because they have small cocks instead..... :blah:

[AmishCommy]

But that doenst matter! then people get angry because they have small cocks instead..... :blah: yeah but that would make for a much funnier discussion in the lounge :P

I'm with Amish. A growing cock based on # of votes or views. nah dude, Marko's and Wes's threads would totally fuck up the forum format. I hate scrolling sideways :P

[demented]

lolololol!

Or everyone else will just have to settle with being hung like a baby carrot.

What about the dudesses? Boobs?

- d.

[asoir]

Hmm, my thread ratings pretty high for my age...talk about well endowed ;)

[evildisco]

I have a massive cock.

[Calle_]

everyone has way to many stars anyway so i dont care ^^

[blanquish]

to tell the truth i seriously dont care about stars, and i agree with everyone elses point, and its not like im going to stop art, or anything or get angry as everyone knows im determinded as hell.
But i was just raising the point, and mine was hit pretty hard, like 5 1 star ratings by the same person.
meh
I dont care, movealong

[EVIL]

here is an idea .. just trowing it out.. maybe its just that.. not all people like your work as mutch as you think they should, wich imo tells me more about you then about the person who rate.

anyway.. the system has major flaws because not everyone has the same taste.. now maybe if there would be a rating system that rated on lets say technique it would not fail as often.. and you still got little immature brats who just like to give good artist 1 rates .. it really doesn't matter!

[Isobel]

Blanquish: here's a lollypop

[asoir]

"Are you working hard enough to reach your goals Asoir?"

This isnt just me right?

[aesir]

Can I start a thread where I bitch about my threads not having any stars at all??? I'd rather have one star then none so stop your whinin.

[Undertow]

Fuck Stars, I want Smilly faces and glitter stickers.

what are we in preschool?
word Commy.

[JackalAnubis]

maybe you could do a progressive star system? as soon as you got a rating for your thread you would start with one star, and the more positive votes you got you would gain stars. maybe this way you would see more of a range of ratings, and it would be harder to get stars/lose them.

but yah, people getting bent out of shape about their star rating makes me lol irl.

[cartoonfox]

...and mine was hit pretty hard, like 5 1 star ratings by the same person.
Wrong, a member can only vote once...

[chaosrocks]

been here for over 1000 posts... don't have but half a star..sometimes
It don't bother me

chaos

[chaosrocks]

interesting I seem to have a whole star..where the heck did that come from?

[Interceptor]

I think it's hilarious that this thread has 1 star.

[stephen]

mabye we should just rename the stars, like 1star = awesome 2star=good 3star= fantastic 4star= crymore 5=lookatmemom

[darkchild]

It's nice but doesn't affect the big big picture to me.... which is keep drawing.

[Evil_Sloth]

I don't think the chicks dig you haveing a 5 star rating on your SB so why bother?

[Gloominati]

it is so fucking hilarious that this thread got one star.........ROFLCOPTER :yayca:

ah, threre is always the same problem with this ratings on the internet, there are always some bitchasses who screw the whole thing. In my experience the only really effective thing about this is that each member who creates a thread can decide if other members may rate it or not (with a checkbox or whatever). So if one is so pissed about the rating, he can just turn it off and that's it.

[Fellah.]

So now we are on page two in a thread with a topic nobody cares about?

[blanquish]

Wrong, a member can only vote once...

ever heard of multiple accounts?
but seriously, everyone seems angry with me at that, if you guys dont like this thread then leave it, or delete it.
Im all for stars being abolished, but CA is great, and its a fantastic community and i love it here.
Just dont get angry with me, im totally over it.

-isobel, lollypop accepted

[corky13]

now this thread has 2 stars ^^

well...im either for dropping the whole stars-concept (which i prefer most) or to create a system where you have to write a short statement why you voted the amount of stars...of course with a reporting-system if stupers abuse the system anyways...

[Arne S.]

who votet the second star on this thread?!?

would agree with corcy13

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[Simon.Rain]

I don't think the chicks dig you haveing a 5 star rating on your SB so why bother?

hahahaha

but seriously, I personaly think the last thing I will judge a thread by will be the star system... I truly dont mind someone else didnt like it as long as the stuff inside is worth looking at =)

[demented]

definitely with corky13 - would be cooler if you could only vote when you reply.

Also want to know who voted this one up to 2?

- d.

[blanquish]

I put it back to 1, no worries guys!
Please stop posting here, everyone hates this thread
keh?

[Olof]

Inflation?

I know when I got four stars something is wrong..

I'd like to see the star system reworked, so that all star ratings where positive. Leave the five star ratings to the absolute pros.

:O

[chaosrocks]

I had half a star once.... but it twinkled and went out
I saw stars as my eyes brimmed with tears
then, of course I realised
that stars are only symbols
and I put away my fears

on a more serious note: I look at a comment on the sketch books that reappear every day. that are actively being worked on....stars are totally irrelevant

chaos

[poise]

how about rainbows and unicorns. or the Massive Black logo.
or even better a Cock that grows bigger the more votes you have.
.

LOL!! Arkady. man pirates sound stupid compared to Cocks.
Boyeee, Yo so Nasty!

[evildisco]

*Rabble Rabble*

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5782/mobangrysz5.gif

[cartoonfox]

ever heard of multiple accounts?
You think someone hates you/your sketchbook so much that they would create 5 different accounts just so they can continue to give you 1 star ratings?

...

[Bowlin]

ever heard of multiple accounts?



runs off to make multiple accounts.... :devil:

[wassermelone]

Heh I find it funny that we got stars, and then people complained about them so they were taken away. Then there was a slow build of people suggesting a star rating system. So it was reinstated to lots of clapping and "hooray CA!".

And the cycle continues.

If anyone wants to know a good example of why star type rating systems don't work, you only have to look at Craig Mullin's website www.goodbrush.com

[Noë]

how many votes do you need on a thread to get a star rating shown anyway?

love
Marleen

[Dizon]

getting one star is worse than a harsh crit. HAHA

[romance]

Your compaining about a lowered rating because your getting one star votes? WAHHHH! Someone should change your diapers you big baby... grow up.

Maybe these one star votes should get your ass in gear to produce kick-ass work so instead of your rating dropping, jaws will drop instead. Now get back to work.

[AmishCommy]

ever think that someone was trying to give you SIX stars? :P

[maxetormer]

juar juar juar :nohope: :tihi: stars do mess with your head,
it messes with mine, that much I can tell you.


So now we are on page two in a thread with a topic nobody cares about?

but if you manage to get over the 5.70 rating ill be very hard
to tumble you down, ofcourse that this takes massive
amounts of really constant quality work, and so...
*one day I shall conquer the five stars!! muha ha ha*

[Fellah.]

I was just joking about the fact that there was alot of people jumping on top of each other saying they didnt care etc. Stars do mean something to me too. Cant say it dosnt. The first time i got voted down from 5 to 4 it almost made me stop updating (this is a long time ago and like i said im used to it now - im more surprised when my rate goes up instead of down, lol). People who think its motivating to rate other people down are idiots IMO. There is nothing motivating about it. Crits are great and we all got alot to learn and the fact that most of these downvoters never or very rare give any reason to why they do it makes it very hard to take them seriously. But oh well - its the internet...I guess, what i really dont understand is why you would give a bad vote to someone - i mean wtf do you get out it? A sence you are doing something good for this forum? Oh, now im boring myself...:rendered:

[corky13]

i said it once and i say it again = A rating-sys where you actually have to give a comment why you are voting that much stars you have chosen to vote would solve the problem quite fine...of course with the possibility to report unwanted ratings (NOT the possibility to delete them yourself of course...)

[blanquish]

Your compaining about a lowered rating because your getting one star votes? WAHHHH! Someone should change your diapers you big baby... grow up.

Maybe these one star votes should get your ass in gear to produce kick-ass work so instead of your rating dropping, jaws will drop instead. Now get back to work.


jeez man, no need to be rude, if you have nothing constructive to say, say nothing at all!

Its just a shock, working your way up, then BOOM, it feels like youve gone backwards.
Im totally over it, and drawing as i usually do.

Hey, it messes with your mind when your a young artist, and your largely pretty new with the whole thing.
For some, they can get a dozen 5 star rates to match their 1 star rate.
Nevermind, Its just that, well you dont have to be a dick 'bout it

[Shamagim]

People who think its motivating to rate other people down are idiots IMO.
IMO too, you feel like making absolutely no proggress.

Is hard to get over it. We are, after all, human. :)

[Sepulverture]

Meow :meow:

[Shamagim]

Meow :meow:
OH, did you know that cats don´t get affected by pier preassure?

Is quite interesting :grandpa:

[Sepulverture]

indeed :grandpa:. What about :clown:s?

[Jason Manley]

hmmm....crit week and this conversation is somehow more pointed and focused...to shame. Members can only vote once. To get a one star rating it will take a number of people to vote that. Ten I believe.

:)

To those who are doing votes to be mean (this thread excluded as it's one star made me smile pretty big...you buggers!), I will go in and check the database to see who voted. If I catch someone being an asshole I will ban them. I will not, however, go looking at the request of those getting one star..I dont have time for that. But I will take a look. If you are doing such things to people...STOP. Your days of asshole behavior are at an end here. Comprende?