What would it take....

[Atherium]

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[HosStyle]

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[Crash]

What would it take to keep a talented group of artists together for a non paying project?


Blowjobs

[togusa]

Blowjobs.

seriously, who would spend a year working on something that could be a complete waste of time. its like playing make-believe or something. i'm a "concept designer" wheeeeee!!!

[stutte]

Blowjobs and pie. PIE!

[jrr]

hmm, i would do it for TRUE LOVE. nothing sort of true love will get me to do something like this..... or the ablity to fly! like superpowers.

[llothcat]

don't wanna go back.


nobody works for free buddy, and art is a lot of work.

[ETP]

.. then find the money to pay artists. If your project really had merit then you would find a way to pay the people involved. If you don't feel that tossing around a few bills is worth it then get used to seeing artists bail.

Every now and then i get bored and consider working on anything, even without cost, just to Do something, but that feeling passes quickly... most notably when im hungry and homeless from not getting paid.

[darkcult]

Definitely blowjobs.
and loads of coffie.
and beer.

[Leopoldo]

Hi Atherium

I believe that if the leader of the project has charm, vision and is able to motivate people that the project can have alot of productivity even if there's no pay.

I worked for free 2 years on a movie that actually got made and I never saw a buck from it even though promises and shares and points were handed out both left and right by the producer.

But as a leader for a volenteer production or speculation production you may never take your crew for granted, you can never make demands and you can never have temper or mood swings with your crew.

If you do you loose the morale of the crew.

I've been on both sides of this, as the creator and leader and as the grunt.

I hope this helps a little.

Break a leg,
Leopoldo

By the way. If you are writing features sell the scripts and not the designs. Find an agent that's looking for new writing talent and get productions done that way. Why do you need the concept art in the first place? I know it's really cool and all, but the money man is first of all looking at the story. No story no show. No show no audience. No audience no money. No money no salary... for you, and no profit for the investors.

[jarvis2824]

Atherium,

One thing you have to do is make sure you feed 'em, even if it's only a quick lunch. I've been doing volunteer work for years (Boy Scouts, church, community service, etc.) and the most successful jobs I've seen done are where the volunteers get food. That's their pay. You don't tell them that, but that's the way it is. My dad is great at cooking and when he signs up as the cook, there's always more than enough workers to get the job done.

A little lunch can go a long way.

Chris

P.S. You need a little extra work done? Email me at jarvis2824@yahoo.com. I don't have a job right now and I could use the experience.

[RMick]

What would it take?

Depends. Some people are willing to take a chance, others are looking for something more iron-clad. Myself, I would see it as portfolio builder, whether the final project is successfully launched or not.

No right or wrong, just differences in priorities.

Having said that, contact me at

goldenrod_71@hotmail.com

I'm one of those crazy bastards from the former category.
let me know what you need, and we'll chat.

[grey]

hypocritical

you may be a decent guy and this project may have some potential merit, but how do you justify criticizing the artists you don't pay for not bleeding themselves dry? you're throwing around words like ethics and inspiration, and that line about maybe you're just a guy who has faith -- way too self righteous for someone asking for favors

you're trying to make use of other people's talent, training, skill and time, you'll get what you pay for I think

[Atherium]

ETP, I agree with that to a point and from an outside perspective I would say it would be normal to think "hey if this thing is so damn good then why does it not have capital?"
Well it could, and it has been offered but not in the right way because it would have meant loss of control and ownership.

Grey, don't put words in my mouth ever again. I did not say that I was bleeding these artists dry, I am only holding them to the promises they make. I expect nothing more then what they tell me they will do, but when they start doing nothing at all, I tend to ask questions. "you're trying to make use of other people's talent, training, skill and time, you'll get what you pay for I think." I think the door swings both ways here grey because they own and keep the work they do. The project gets none of it in the end if it is not picked up. Their portfolios benefit as well as their resume. I simply have the screenplays in the beginning of all of this as well as in the end. And as a plus maybe some of these guys don't have the networking skills or time to bring a group together for a large collaberation over a long period of time, so maybe in the end I am the one who may get used. Thanks so much for that great response though.

RMick thanks man, I will be sure to drop you a line.

Leo thanx too.

As for the blowjobs I'll ask if that can be put into the NDA's.

Next!

[grey]

Originally posted by Atherium
Thanks so much for that great response though.

hey anytime, glad I could help!

[OLSEN]

Heres a few tips. Ive worked for free before and i know what kept me working.

Feed the artists atleast once every six hours of work. This is probably the most important thing to do. Im not kidding, food is vital. Supply the cofee and tea, and if you really want them to work, buy them sweets and smokes. If youre working over the internet without any actual contact except for e-mails, this can be a hard thing to achieve..

Even if you cant pay for their work, you should atleast try and pay for their artsupplies.

Make sure the artists know that you are workin atlest 10 times more then anyone of them, even if youre not. Important.

Try to pay them, even if its just this one dollar you found on the way home from the unemployment office.

Oral sex helps too.

[alti]

I worked for free for about a year, and met alot of other people starting out in the games industry, i was working for free all the way up until a mate on a mod team got me a lead on a concepting job because on of his freinds was on a concept team that needed more people, all in all its about making freinds who know other people, at least thats what i took away from it..

but i still dont recomend it. Its a terrible risk of wasting ALOT of time...

cheers
-alti

[dungnickle]

The best way to do it would be to start an extra curriclar program at some high school. That way it would be free but you wouldn't have that much talent. If you want talent you have to pay

[Flipnastywebby]

...i find it odd that super powers are on a parallel with true love....:-P

but yeah money makes thigns happen. every artist likes to create but not everyone has the ability to work on something and not get paid....rent, food, strippers..errr. these things need to be paid for. it sucks but its real life

[3dklixx]

..wow alot of wise words, im from toronto and im insanely in love with cg and concept art, i had alot of questions in my mind but i think half of them have just been answered... I was basically hired for a small cg house in mississauaga canada right after highschool, i basically got the job through my highschoool co-op program which lasted about 6 months and hired 2 weeks after it was over... Im new in the industry, basically 2 years in..and im glad to have met ppl although i did work for free for the 6 months which is a short time to ppl who spent years working for free, but to me i met alot of ppl and i got alot of help..and i believe that i have a very lethal hand with me right now because my drive and the help i got..so a little free work sometime has good results

[alski87]

what do you need done?

[Elwell]

what do you need done?
He needs a time machine built so he can travel four years into the future and tell you.

[BabyBluegoddess]

.

I second that

[Annie_Harper]

hmm, i would do it for TRUE LOVE. nothing sort of true love will get me to do something like this..... or the ablity to fly! like superpowers.

My best friend and myself put ourselves in comic book indentured servitude for 2 years. She was in love with the producer and wanted him to notice her, and I loved her and wanted her to be happy. They are now dating.

My boyfriend says he'd do it for blowjobs.

Point? The matter is way up in the air.

[Saturns Gate]

Blowjobs.

seriously, who would spend a year working on something that could be a complete waste of time. its like playing make-believe or something. i'm a "concept designer" wheeeeee!!!

To build up your portfolio?

To become a better artist?

To gain some experience working with others?

To learn?

Saying all that, I totally understand if your at the point where your art is past mediocre and your looking to make some real money, but i began the concept art route by actually doing just that, working for free and having a good time learning. Remember, nothing is a waste of time if you put the effort into it. Of course, blowjobs are nice too.

[Elwell]

Why why why does this thread keep getting necroed?

[ArtZealot]

Why why why does this thread keep getting necroed?

This thread is fascinating.

[wassermelone]

Why why why does this thread keep getting necroed?

Someones getting payed in blowjobs to ressurect it.

[tomwaits4noman]

blowjobs now feel greedy thinking full on sex... and caffeine

[Peter Coene]

Grey, don't put words in my mouth ever again. I did not say that I was bleeding these artists dry, I am only holding them to the promises they make. I expect nothing more then what they tell me they will do, but when they start doing nothing at all, I tend to ask questions.
That is a smelly pile of bullshit if I've ever seen one. You had no business asking them to commit in the 1st place. Forget what they "tell you they will do;" if they aren't getting paid they don't have to do anything. If you aren't paying them you are in no position to be asking questions. Grey was right, you were wrong, stop being high and mighty, and you have no ground to say otherwise so shut up.

"you're trying to make use of other people's talent, training, skill and time, you'll get what you pay for I think." I think the door swings both ways here grey because they own and keep the work they do. The project gets none of it in the end if it is not picked up. Their portfolios benefit as well as their resume.
Don't you DARE start trying to tow that line. If they are doing art then their portfolios will benefit anyways, no thanks to you. Their resumes would benefit a lot more if it was a real job; what you are offering is just about as helpful on a resume as noting that they were a member of the highschool art club. Owning and keeping the work they do is not a favor either. Without paying them you would be sued and possibly thrown in jail if you didn't let them own and keep their work.

I simply have the screenplays in the beginning of all of this as well as in the end. And as a plus maybe some of these guys don't have the networking skills or time to bring a group together for a large collaberation over a long period of time, so maybe in the end I am the one who may get used. Thanks so much for that great response though.

wait wait wait, you have work done for free, you use that work in your screenplay, you keep the rights to that screenplay, you get recognition for bringing the thing together, and you have the cajones to say YOU are being used? You son of a bitch! You do not even realise how much of a self centered egotistical fuck you are! Any artist with a shred of decency will throw you the bird and tell you to sit and spin.

[Elwell]

Peter, YOU'RE ARGUING WITH SOMEBODY FROM FIVE YEARS AGO!
This thread is like that awful movie with Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves.

[Ilaekae]

...but without the cool music.

[Peter Coene]

Peter, YOU'RE ARGUING WITH SOMEBODY FROM FIVE YEARS AGO!
This thread is like that awful movie with Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves.
*checks dates on posts*
Oh... my bad.

You have to admit though, my argument really tore into that guy from 5 years ago.

[Justin.]

Why why why does this thread keep getting necroed?

Because ass hats keep googling "artists working for free", and this is what they get first.

[Boolean]

Serious cat is serious

(errr, why don't we just lock the thread?)

[Carnifex]

there should be something like "auto lock" on threads that are more than one year old...wtf.

[s.ketch]

5 years later and blowjobs have not gone down in value. I think I figured out how to solve the economy.

[Costau D]

Pete I think your words are falling on deaf ears. Check the date of that response he gave.

Edit* never mind been covered.

*thumbs up*

[0kelvin]

Because ass hats keep googling "artists working for free", and this is what they get first.

Either that or they're googling "free blowjobs".

[Ilaekae]

Wait'll they try searching for "cantaloupe."

[Peter Coene]

Wait'll they try searching for "cantaloupe."
...why, what does searching for "cantaloupe" get?

[Robert.B]

this thread is haunted by a spook!!! :$

[FlipMcgee]

Either that or they're googling "free blowjobs".

Saran wrap keeps the pleasure clean!

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[DoomSketcher]

No offense but I would be doing a disservice to my fellow artists and the industry as a whole to work for nothing. What is that rule?

-Work for money
-If there is no money work for exposure
-If there is no money and no exposure work for experience you wouldn't get any other way
-If none of the above apply, don't work

[Craig D]

The human race is doomed.
I wasn't always sure but the further resurrection of this thread
was forseen in the third sentence of the full moon of one
of the other peoples threads in the lounge.

[Ilaekae]

I will now shoot myself.

Does anyone want to sell tickets?

[alti]

this thread is like finding a picture of your ex in a sock draw, you thought you were looking for clean socks, but instead you are taken on a wonderous journey into the past.

[Fluffgar]

It would probably take someone to act as a sort of bossy PA for the project to keep a group of artists together for no money.

You know? Someone who would go calling 'round a couple of times a week making sure everyone knew what they were supposed to be doing and judging whether anyone was having trouble staying on the ball.

Or free food. Most people (for people read artist types) will gladly spend their time playing with the paint box if they are fed and have a nice cup of tea.

We're probably all still small children at heart.

P.S. If there is work going I'll give it a shot. Contact me.

[Elwell]

:aw: :ah: :ay: :a?: :xpld:

[squidmonk3j]

ahahaha!

you gotta shoot it in the -head-!

[JessiBean]

This thread is like unto Lazarus and it keeps rising from the dead.
Zombie thread?

[Flake]

I think you have to destroy it's brain to stop it.

[kingshaj]

i wonder if the movie ever came out yet! its gotta be genius

[glikster]

goddamn... this was fun reading...
I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

Poor Elwell...

[Elwell]

Poor Elwell...
Don't feel sorry for me, I could close it, but I find this thread's periodic resurrection depressingly amusing.

[paran0id]

Posting in an epic thread.

[Peter Coene]

Wee, it wasn't me being the jackass this time!

Just for shits and giggles I'm marking December 25th on my calendar so that I remember to necro this thread. It will be like a Christmas Miracle... but evil.

[Renegade89]

hahaha Goku Thread comes back from the dead

http://mipagina.cantv.net/script/dragon_ball_gt/goku_fin.jpg


:anime: :lounge:

[TMG]

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/14631.jpg

[IanLlanas]

:aw: :ah: :ay: :a?: :xpld:

Elwell - I'm gonna guess that it's because the Industry Jobs section is a thread cemetery, there's nothing posted here that's newer than 5 years old! At least not on the first page and I'm scared to look at the rest, I can just smell the decaying text ;)
Also, it's fun to vent out our frustrations on people wanting free art done for their next project. If we all had a dollar for every writer we've come across looking for free art, we wouldn't be eating Ramen noodles everyday. I wonder if other industries are treated this way? Hey doc, I can't pay for this knee surgery but after I win the Olympic Gold Medal I'll let everyone know that you made it possible and you'll be rich and famous and plus you'll have the experience. Give me a break!

[serhc]

its only funny when its unintentional

[Samurai_em]

its only funny when its unintentional

blowjobs?

[luke_L]

For experience and portfolio builder.... That's all it takes

[sableround]

Hey - Grey's got it dead right. How many deadbeats actually insult students intelligence just coming out of art school with a similar come on?

" Oh this'll make a wonderful portfolio piece and a great experience for you. "

No it ain't.

I had a couple damn good professors while in school. All the " experience " I need.

Not counting what led me to be an artist from outside positive influences in the first place.

While this isn't directed at the post, it's still in the same neighborhood. It's unethical if immoral to get somebody to do something for you then turn around and act like they're doing you a favor.

We get enough of that at a fast food joint. Even as a pet project I wouldn't do it. Pet projects are just that. Pet 'em and leave 'em alone because you ain't working - you are therefore goldbricking.

Then again it explains the widely observed dearth of quality output in all the arts generally.

( Sorry. I'm not pitching for an award or buddy up somebody famous or running for office so I can speak freely. From experience. )

Hear hear. You get what you pay for. This is a trade. Not a religion.

[Straight Edge Ryan]

Just a reminder to everyone, this thread is 6 years old

[Elisabet Y.A.]

Yaaaayyy for old threads! :D

[PrincessLeia]

I just found this site. How do I put my drawings on here?

[PrincessLeia]

Hi I'm new. Can ya'll help a chica out? How do I put my pictures on this @#$!$ site?

[kab]

*facepalm*

[newman]

why you posted in this thread i'm not sure, but the information you want is here (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79774)

[The Crazy Dude SRD]

All I have to say is that this was a good laugh an a half... including the shear odd method of this resurrection... it's almost too ironic... and on April fools day to boot

It's got more lives than all the cats in the world!!

[J Wilson]

PrincessLeia has got to be someone's alt account, making an April Fools joke. Right? ...right?

By the way, with the economy the way it is, I'm investing my entire portfolio in blowjobs, the world's most stable currency.

[Ilaekae]

What do you have against cats?



...or blowjobs?







:ilaekae:

[The Crazy Dude SRD]

I got no problem with either... I figured it was the best expression that I could give unto this thread ;)

[Sakya]

I guess the talkie is quite long now but...


mainly, girls...


oh yeah.... blowjobs... they've said that before....


a Delorean for each artist of the group would make it too...

In addition to the blowjobs, of course...

[Grief]

truly an epic first post.

a member since 2003, and you pull the most lame-ass bump of the most tired thread, with non-sequitur nonsensical terse lines.

i told myself i would never post in this thread, but seeing how the conversation is a seemingly endless parade of retardation i feel, for the well-being of humanity, that it is my obligation that i must interject with protest to everything this thread has spawned. let it be known, in the texts of history, that i cried out in retaliation against this atrocity to the CA community.

i plead that this cesspool of blatant repitition and stupidity be put out of its misery. someone please lock this thread, and let it rot away into the grave it deserves.

[Gloominati]

Hilarious!!!!! :D :D :D :D

[Elwell]

Out of sheer perversity, I refuse to close it.
However, I am going to ban the next person who bumps it.
SRSLY

[madster]

...i find it odd that super powers are on a parallel with true love....Perhaps you haven't found either yet, then. They are most definitely on an equal status, especially the finding part...Once you do, though, you understand.

Elwell, you shouldn't be so cranky here in the Lounge.
Banning people over threads in here?
Well, if you ban me over this thread, I KNOW you will get more thanks than a page can hold. Possibly as many as the active members list on the Forum home page...

You really should try to get more fiber into your diet.
Getting riled in the Lounge is like raging against the sunset...While you can "rage, rage, against the dying light," it won't make that much difference in the end. Far better use of your Life energy to enjoy the pretty colors as they fade to black...

Also, why threaten a banning, rather than just locking the thread? I know you're not shy of locking threads, you've done it at least once or twice...
If it's that big a deal, have Davi simply click the VB checkbox to automatically archive any thread over 'x' days/weeks/months/years old. Then they become "read only," and you won't have to have an apoplexy fit about them bubbling back up...And isn't that far easier and less angst inducing for both you and the "ban-ee?" (I figure if this is gonna be my last post, I might as well enjoy it by asking the odd rhetorical question...)

I mean SRSLY, that IS perverse (as well as being a weird, snarky, kind of trap, since I hit the reply button before I read the last post (oh noes!), and we all know you can't delete your threads, so even erasing the reply would still bump this stupid thing...)

Hell, that's the kind of thing they'd think up over at EatPoo, along with auto banning the 10,000th new member (yes, they once had numbers that high, and yes they did that to the poor fool...)

Or does the banning apply to the next time it fades off the front page, only to be ressurrected from the depths? I doubt it, since the pendantic amongst us will consider any reply after yours to be a "bump."

Either way, I think you need more fiber. Dried plums, perhaps, or some nice bran muffins...

It's the LOUNGE, people! You are taking yourselves waaaayyy too srsly in here. If Jason was still awake, he'd be telling you to step back from the Lounge and go help in the Critique Center or draw something (hint, hint, Grief...don't you have a ton of art to make to send off?).
Elwell is stuck here, but that was his choice for eternity...

~M

[Elwell]

Sometimes you have no sense of humor, Maddy.:P
I find it amusing/horrifying that this stupid throwaway thread gets repeatedly bumped every few months by new responses to the original post. At this point, especially after the joke has been repeatedly explained, anybody who responds to it is either a moron, or far less clever than they think they are. Although I do like that people are continually exposed to my brilliant Lake House reference.
(And no, yours doesn't count as a bump, since the thread is now live again. I reserve total arbitrary right to decide what does and doesn't count. It's not like the people who necro the thread are going to read this far, anyway.)

[FourTonMantis]

Aw, I thought he was gonna be martyred...

[Brashen]

What would it take.........to close this thread?

[Ilaekae]

A direct hit by an asteroid/meteor approximately 300 miles across somewhere in the general area of Kansas...

[Kagemusha22]

Or just fossilisation.