Question to all artists

[drupeyes]

What do you think is most important when making a painting.
LINES or COLORS.




I'm asking because I'm taking a course in recording arts. I'm taking a class in art hiostory but I do not know anything about arts I am a musician. Please Help!?!?!?:[

[dogfood]

Values

[drupeyes]

value?????

[Craig D]

I'm going with dogfood

values

[drupeyes]

I have to make an essay about what is best lines or colors when making a painting. Thanks for your answers anyways

[Craig D]

drupeyes

start here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_%28colorimetry%29

[Bowlin]

Yeah, for realism painting, I'd say values also.

[drupeyes]

I guess your trying to say color

[dogfood]

Not knowing who generated the question, it seems very similar to:

"What is the most important aspect in making a car, the fins or the hub caps?"

(this is my subtle way of saying the question is asinine)

Edit: I'm new to big words.

[drupeyes]

Hey man I had said I do not know a thing about painting or drawing. I thank you for "your help". One last thing if you are going to use big words, make sure you know how to spell. (asinine)

[wassermelone]

I thank you for "your help".

You asked the arteestes and they gave you an honest answer.

Plus, for your information colors != values.

[dogfood]

I'm not attacking you (unless you generated the specifics of the essay); I'm saying that I consider neither to be the most important aspect in painting.

I'm helping, you see.

[drupeyes]

Thank you again. I didnt make any specifics. My teacher, wich consider's himself an artist also, asked for an essay about what is "best lines or colors".

[quesadeist]

I love how people always tend to research enough to find an online community to answer homework questions for them, yet are too lazy to research the answers for themselves. Plus, they always have something snotty to say to the professionals here that give them their opinion.

You are taking a class in art history. Classes are designed to teach you something. Surely there is something that was required of you before you were given the assignment that is now causing you so much trouble. Perhaps some textbook reading. Lectures to attend. Why don't you try going over the course material that lead up to this assignment instead of asking other people to do the work for you? Then perhaps the thousands of dollars you are spending on your schooling might mean a little more than the equivalent of a bubblegum wrapper in a $300 frame on your wall.

/tangent

[drupeyes]

I didnt mean to hurt your feelings as an artist. I's just taking this course as a hobbie and is more for the music production side. I'm sorry if I dont really care much about the painting side or whaterver you wanna call it. Thank you guys anyways

[brokk]

Err...

are you required to just answer one or the other, or do you have to explain / justify your answer?

If its the later instead of the former, lets put it simply: you're fucked.

Its a complicated subject. The best thing you can do is read about value, color, composition, etc. That is, If you do have to explain why you consider one to be more important than the other.

EDIT: asked for an essay about what is "best lines or colors".

The you will have to explain why one is "better" than the other (that sounds so wrong...) and you will have to read on the subject in order to do that.

[dogfood]

Thank you again. I didnt make any specifics. My teacher, wich consider's himself an artist also, asked for an essay about what is "best lines or colors".
I still can't believe you busted on me for "asinine".

Just because my left ring finger sstutters due to a freak weenie factory mishap...

You bastard.

[drupeyes]

Muchas Gracias....

[quesadeist]

No hurt feelings here. I really couldn't care less in the long run. Just trying to give some advice that would help your career as a student and eventually as a professional who will have problems to solve in the real world. I'm in the same boat. It would be to your benefit to take something from the classes that you are paying (and most likely building up debt) for. Take it or leave it.

[drupeyes]

thank you for your concern. Ill be ok

[DSillustration]

geez, it would be quicker just to answer the question and get this over with, guys.
anyways....

drupeyes,
VALUE is what color would look like in a black and white photograph.
it is the range of greys in a painting.

traditionally speaking, in realist painting there are no lines.
in painting, "line" is an illusion created by 2 different values touhing.
(ie, a black square touching a white square appears to have a line between them.)

so, color (or value to be more accurate) creates line.
hence, it is more important.

again, this only applies to traditional painting.

[Interceptor]

Why not go the extra mile and explain to your teacher what value is and why it's more important?

[sleep]

for god's sake if he wanted to go the extra mile, he would have told us

here's an answer you can use to just finish the essay. the better option would be DSillustration's answer, but here is something for you

colours are more important, because in nature there are no lines. when you look at grass, do you see a line seperating each blade of grass? no. you see different colours, and because the colours are different on each blade, you can see that the grass is not just a big clump of green, but in fact made of many small leaves.

that's not necessarily what i believe, but it's what'll get him through this essay with the least hassle and most marks {if he's not trying to be special and go the extra mile}

[DavePalumbo]

drupeyes,
VALUE is what color would look like in a black and white photograph.
it is the range of greys in a painting.

traditionally speaking, in realist painting there are no lines.
in painting, "line" is an illusion created by 2 different values touhing.
(ie, a black square touching a white square appears to have a line between them.)


Print this out, turn it in. This is the explanation why value is important, color is bonus points, and line is an illusion.

quite frankly, the question itself seems quite uneducated to me. Maybe your teacher is a fan of abstract or cubism or something, which adds many more layers to the issue, being that all "good art" is a matter of taste anyhow.

[evildisco]

It's all about flying pigs in the end.

[tensai]

To expand a bit on the information you got from Dan

VALUE is what color would look like in a black and white photograph.
it is the range of greys in a painting.
traditionally speaking, in realist painting there are no lines.
in painting, "line" is an illusion created by 2 different values touhing.
(ie, a black square touching a white square appears to have a line between them.)
so, color (or value to be more accurate) creates line.
hence, it is more important.
again, this only applies to traditional painting.
I suggest using google and a good library to read a bit more on value and colours - e.g:

...Value is one dimension of colour. At this point it is worth revisiting the 3 dimensions of colour that are most important as the basis of colour knowledge for the painter. They include colour or hue, colour value and colour intensity (sometimes referred to as colour saturation). It is important to remember that these relationships are relative not absolute. In other words, one compares colour, colour value, and colour intensity of any shape in a painting, to its neighbouring shapes. Placing colour beside colour results in some of the visual phenomena mentioned above and our perception of the original colour applied can change drastically. This applies to all 3 dimensions. If you want a coloured shape to appear lighter without altering it, place a darker shape next to it. If you want it to appear brighter put a duller (less intense) colour beside it --or vise versa...

(taken from http://www.artists.ca/resources/rmcdiarmid-01.htm)
You'll be able to find a lot more if you Google values, tones and colour etc.


Have fun.

[Main Loop]

whats up with all these people lately that want us to do their homework for him?

[evildisco]

Yeah what's up with that, I didn't have my own forum to do my homework for me.

[Elwell]

Line.
:P

[Elwell]

BTW, does this assignment have anything to do with Florence vs. Venice?

[jrr]

lines or colors eh? are we talking comic book art?

hmmm that's a 5 stroker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzpClYeIPYg

[cotron]

the answer is c- gratuitous nudity

[DavePalumbo]

wait, am I to read that c as in C, as in light speed? You may have revolutionized art physics, my friend. Cody fuckin' Einstein over here...

[Magic Man]

Thank you again. I didnt make any specifics. My teacher, wich consider's himself an artist also, asked for an essay about what is "best lines or colors".

Your teacher sounds like he would like to be an artist.

[Maurice]

change schools

[llothcat]

Isn't this like asking what more important to music, rhythm or pitch? (Since what you want to do is "work in music production") Kinda insulting question now eh?

This essay is a test for the student to see if he/she has a solid foundation in the basics. I wouldn't help you with this either, since I agree with Dogfood. Once more, being a teacher myself, if you didn't produce this essay on your own, I would make you re-take the basics course.

[stephen]

Dont listen to these fools, your teacher gave you a trick question, the answer is simply COLORED LINES!

____
pew pew pew

[BlackGuy]

maybe the teacher is making that very point by giving his students this assignment. You all assume WAY too much.


And this whole "go research on your own" attitude is ridiculous. If some very skilled artist and teacher approached me and offered to take some time to teach me about value and color, I wouldn't tell him "no thanks, I'll go read on my own about it" because that doesn't make any sense. I'd ask him all the questions I could to squeeze as much knowledge as possible from him. At the end of the day, asking questions is just as much research as looking it up on wikipedia or something, so enough with calling someone lazy for that. The whole point is to gather knowledge.

[dogfood]

Isn't this like asking what more important to music, rhythm or pitch?
I was thinking more along the lines of "What's the most important aspect of song writing, the title, or how quickly it will remove a girl's panties?".

Dan, of course, has the best answer. I was annoyed at the teacher for such a poor question and it flowed over to drupeyes.

Now I feel shame. :[

[Ilaekae]

Be careful. If Shame's under 16, you could be busted...

[corky13]

be a rebel and say both....

[Crush]

"In my opinion, both line and colour are just as important as each other. Artists use line to.., and it is important because... However, colour is also used to... and adds... to the picture"

There's a start for you. When you're given an essay with 2 options, it's a good idea to look at and examine both options, giving your own opinion on what you feel is more important as a conclusion to the essay

There is no right or wrong answer!!

Hope that helps :)

[Blue]

LINES DO NOT EXIST IN REALITY

ugh.

[Blue]

*dies*

[DavePalumbo]

LINES DO NOT EXIST IN REALITY

sure they do, they're the fastest way between two points

[MoP]

colour is more colourful, but lines are more straightforward

[asoir]

And values are valuable.

[Shamagim]

I don´t think drupeyes is comming back.

[Gloominati]

I don´t think drupeyes is comming back.


combined with MOP's and Asoir's posts this comment made me spitt coffee all over my desk.......fuck

[drupeyes]

I am back. I really appreciate everyones opinions. I really wasn't trying to have people make the homework for me. I was trying to do research about the subject and trying to get people's opinion so I can make my own decision based on other's valuable opinion since I'm not a painter. Again I thank you all and sorry if I made anybody feel like I was just trying to get by.

[drupeyes]

I wouldn't help you with this either, since I agree with Dogfood. Once more, being a teacher myself, if you didn't produce this essay on your own, I would make you re-take the basics course.[/QUOTE]


Thank you TEACHER

[Mr. Visions]

You guys are too funny -

[Blue]

I forgive you this once drupeyes...but never again. The mentral trauma i have suffered as a direct result of this topic has left me impotent and sent me into epileptic shock. My laywer has advised me to sue, but deep down i know you meant no ill will so i won't...this time.

[llothcat]

Thank you TEACHER

you're welcome. I hope you actually do write this yourself, since, as the others said, it IS an opinion, which is why I would have made you re-take the basics course. Teachers can only open the door, afterall. You've gotta get off your butt to go through it.

[Dile_]

This thread is really silly...And I have nothing good to say really.

[Elwell]

This thread
Is really silly
And I have nothing good to say
Really
To contribute to the silliness, now you're a poet.

[DavePalumbo]

This thread is really
Silly and I have nothing
Good to say really

now it's a Haiku!

[Elwell]

Palumbo for the win!

[llothcat]

Too funny:D

[drupeyes]

adrgt

[Gloominati]

now it's a Haiku!


remembers me on my 5th grade time, where they made us create haikus,....OMG

AND ON GOES THE SILLIENESS.......hmm where did I save these van Dame gifs.....