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the_allejo05
June 19th, 2006, 01:20 PM
I thought I would pass this along..unless you guys already knew it :)

We must capture the caricature, the essence of everything we see.

In order to discover that caricature, a painter needs to be a physiognomist- a person who judges character from facial features or body form.

The good artist must penetrate the mind of the model.

Grasp the uniqueness of your model- he is not just a strong man, he is a Hercules.

Study the model's most characteristic pose.

The body should not follow the movement of the head.

Frist note the natural physiognomy of your model; position him accordingly, let him express himself naturally.

Examine the model " in depth" before you begin.

No two persons are alike; give each every bit of his individuality.

Sketching is the art of grasping the character, the dominant traits in the face, and the personality of the subject.

Study and observe the poses characteristic of each age group.

In movement, one profile is always more significant than another.

The artist at work must be ever watchful, ever mindful of detail, right up to the last moment.

Draw the eyes as you go - don't leave them till the end.

Paint as you draw.

Try to put some life into the dark areas.

It is not white that first meets the eyes; it is the medium shades, the deep shadows.

Details are great gossips; muzzle them.

Note the limits of the shadows, the medium shades, and the highlights.

Avoid too many highlights- they can spoil the effect.

Portraits of women need as much light as possible.

Breathe vitality into the figure.

Build on a basic concept, continually seeking, uniting, comparing.

See how art develops. Look first of all at Michaelangelo, then look at Raphael, who owed everything to Michaelangelo. Borth artists reached perfection by giving themselves up to their craft, by submerging their egos, by faithful representation.

Christian223
June 19th, 2006, 02:52 PM
Heys, thanks for sharing, i didnt know :)

But do you know what he/she means by: Paint as you draw, Try to put some life into the dark areas, Details are great gossips; muzzle them; Breathe vitality into the figure.? (im no art student, im self taught), thanksssss!

the_allejo05
June 20th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Im self taught too.. i think the best way to interpret his advice is just reading them over and over...and well one at a time each will click when you discover it by doing a lot of art..in my personal opinion (i think to each artist is different) paint as you draw..(well there isnt really anydifference between drawing and painting.. thats why if you cant draw...you will never paint), life into the dark areas ..could mean..vary the tones within it..maybe put some colors..make deeper shadows.. not dead.. , on details he might mean not to overlook them..i guess the more you paint and draw the more you see..therefore you pick the details..picking the right ones are hard.. vitality into the figure..(well what can i tell you.? my figure looks alive when i dont think to much of what im doing..i guess the more i know about it becomes more alive, it might mean treat what you are painting as a real figure..be sensible with strokes..think of the characteristics that make a figure alive..blood..flesh bones..colors.. thats the good thing about artists we have a big vocabulary to play with..which is nature ..all i can say is always be true to yourself.. think about what he says..interpret it your own way.. those are just hints not rules :)

Christian223
June 20th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Thanks, now i have and idea of what it means :)

Pixeldragoon
June 21st, 2006, 01:05 AM
I'd say intepret it in an almost "hippy" sense (no offense), or like zen or something. You have to really, almost literally, "breathe" life while you paint/draw. Keep focused, don't just be like "Okay time to paint this bicep with this skintone", be like "Here is the bicep.. Very round, very nice... it's relaxed, so no definition...", feel yourself mentally (no dirty thoughts =P) while you draw or paint the figure, go through your body several times, and really seek to understand what you are putting in front of you.

I dunno, just me rambling again.

IILooney
June 21st, 2006, 01:24 AM
You left out the part about subscribing to major drug addiction, frequenting the innersanctum of conscioussness through all out binging, the deeper the fuller you will realize.

Yeah he was definitely a user of carnival cues.

HunterKiller_
June 21st, 2006, 06:37 AM
I think i get the gist of what you guys are rambling about...
I love doing life drawing (of human models) because i feel really calm and relaxed when i really get into it. There's no feeling quite like it. I don't think about it either, it just flows forth. :)

the_allejo05
June 22nd, 2006, 02:03 AM
oh come on guys..i take this advice serious... sorry if some of you are 'cold' artists.. tsk tsk tsk.. gotta show your touchy feely side....

Dizon
June 22nd, 2006, 02:47 AM
hey, ale. I'm wondering where you got this info from?

the_allejo05
June 23rd, 2006, 01:12 PM
i got it from how to draw heads and portraits by parramon.. cheap book translated from spanish.. he has good books.. got it from amazon..

Elwell
June 23rd, 2006, 01:26 PM
Golden.

Main Loop
June 23rd, 2006, 02:10 PM
this si stuff that all makes sense, you just have to have some experience under your belt. Come back and read this after you've done, say, 300 paintings..

GriNGo
June 26th, 2006, 10:05 PM
nice post! thanks for sharing.

shalpin
June 27th, 2006, 02:05 AM
When I hear of Ingres, I can't help but recall the difference between this:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ingres,_Self-portrait.jpg
and this:
http://www.abcgallery.com/I/ingres/ingres74.html

And wonder, what did Ingres really learn in those intervening 54 years?

the_allejo05
June 27th, 2006, 11:18 PM
yeah one wonders what did he learn..although i think you should compare both paintings side by side in the museum not through a picture from the net or book.. i guess you should have posted this
http://www.abcgallery.com/I/ingres/ingres52.JPG thats in 1827, i think when he did that younger self portrait he couldnt compose like this.. Ingres is one of the best to learn line.. although raphael still being my fav.

Elwell
June 27th, 2006, 11:26 PM
And wonder, what did Ingres really learn in those intervening 54 years?
Consistancy.

DavePalumbo
June 29th, 2006, 12:35 AM
Draw the eyes as you go - don't leave them till the end.

damn, I almost always hit that first