CHOW#29 - VOTING - Montreal Workshop Mascot

[Oblio]

And so... it was among us all

amazing as the event - the first round with all the entries taken up.
You guys are great. Now...
CLICK YOUR VOTE


WALNUT
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/walberg/mascot-copy.jpg
no border, no description - were you tempting me?


____________




http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/817/octothreatchow232rb.jpg
Salvidor, the octopus from Montreal, finds it impossible to control his ink sac. He is haunted by a never-ending flow of oddly representational imagery wherever he goes.

____________






http://www.crazy3dman.com/CA_Sketchbook/crazy3dman_chow29_mascot.jpg
he's the imp, or muse or demon or whatever you want to call him that exists in all of us creative types. He's the inspiration and the frustration you feel. It's at his whim, weather your creative juices are going to flow or if he's just going to jam that pencil into the base of your brain stem and make it impossible for you to create anything you like.

____________








http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/575/chuckmatechow293jm.jpg
Monty- born and raised in Montreal. eats skillful mother fuckers, then craps superb art work. WILL slaughter any idiot who`ll go up against the pros. WILL slaughter any idiot who won`t. marital status: currently single, ladies.

____________





http://www.mikecorriero.com/images/MontrealWorkshop-web.jpg
Montreal Workshop Shaman:
The Montreal Mascot is the holder of life, love, death, creation, destruction and the birth of imagination. The Montreal Workshop Mascot contains elements of both the Massive Black logo and the Montreal flags colors and the iconic maple leaf.

____________





http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f107/cognitionsb/cognitionsb_CHOW29_MBjun06.jpg
[B]MB Montreal MascotB]
This mascot stands for aesthetic beauty and creativity, it symbolises the ability to manipulate life into an artistic outcome. It also represents the growth of all artists, a unified efficiency, and it has no single identity - only recognisable by a rooster mask.

____________

[JakkaS]

For me it was between walnut and Mike. Finally, I voted for Mike. :D

[Tom Garden]

Went for Mike - most fineshed looking....however you NAUGHTY man, mirrored halves, tut tut!!!

Also loved Chuck.mate's entry,

Shame not to have seen a load more entries here!

[Snarfevs]

Can't pin down why, but octothreat's entry really hits the spot for me. Admittedly (and no offense intented) it's a synergistic thing - the image as a whole (typographically etc) is far stronger that the brevity of the concept. But it gets my vote!

Walnut, mike, cognition exceptional stuff.

crazy3dman - good lines let down by the brutal colour job and the conspiciously mismatched proportions.

chuck mate - it's cool but it just seems a bit too light on. I think it's an intrisic limitation of the medium in this case as the character is pulled off really well. It's very easy to imagine him animated.

[Oblio]

a portrait of carnifex would have this contest won by a mile.
awsome entries indeed.
new topic is up...

[2medusa]

Beautiful, Mike. And kudos, too, to cognition.sb. Great job.

Cheers,
Barb

[carotello]

Voted for Mike, awesome.
And Tom, nothing wrong with mirrored halves. If it works it works. Symetry lends an image a degree of grandiosity and otherworldiness.
And, if you analize Mike's image carefully, you will realize that the two halves are actually not exact mirrors. Sorry man, don't mean to put your comment down, but this image is too good to let it spoil it for anyone.
:-)

[dragon4lunch]

MikeC's and walnut's are my favorites... They are quite different, yet for a mascot I felt the graphic simplicity of walnut is more suitable.

[anticonnor]

While there were other enties that were pure genius and incredibly detailed, my vote went to Walnut for staying a bit truer to the mascot theme. He's a very cool looking guy that I could see running back and forth in my office, squaking and crowing, trying to get me creatively motivated... plus who couldn't vote for a Massive Black Cock?

[chaosrocks]

while cognition's and MIke's are gorgeous illustrations, Walnut's works better as a symbol.
mike--- I was gonna reccommend you see the work of a printmaker named Dave Morrison, a different take on this same archtypical image...yours is very nice job, but he seems to have no web presence at all ,bizzarre I'll have toget on his case about that
chaos
Who's making the TSHIRTS I want one of each!
chaos

[Mike Corriero]

Thanks guys,

chaosrocks- thanks, I tried searching too but found nothing. btw- MB is making t-shirts, they go on sale Tuesday there is a thread in the lounge if u haven't seen it.

I voted for Cognition- loved the mask and colors, perhaps doesn't work so well as an icon but I don't recall seeing that as being a part of the rules or topic, it called for a mascot. I don't think this stuff is going to be used for anything anyhow since the workshop is over :P so I based my vote off of concept/idea/originality/render and quality as it pertains to the topic of Montreal/Workshop/Mascot and massive black since their linked to the whole thing.

[Simon Boxer]

Voted for Mike. Thought it was the best concept and well-executed. I think it portrays MB well, as it reflects the innovation and symbolism used in their professional work. It also gives an idea of typical video game subject matter.

As far as icons/symbols/logos are concerned, you can isolate parts of complex designs to make an icon. eg. taking the mask from my piece, the growing maple or skull from mike's etc.

I probably could've explained the use of my piece further, but as the topic states, I was making a mascot character ;)

[Mr-Joe]

Well I voted for Chuck Mate, the description really got me, "eats skillful mother fuckers, then craps superb art work" This is some of the funniest stuff i have read here.
Second place is crazy3dman, very funny looking creature and great render job.
and also cognition really nice concept and render job.

To tell the truth, Mike you do some pretty nice art work, but I just dont like this one very much, It seems way too stiff, I know it's supposed to be a maple leaf but with the stiff character arms in there Im just not digging the style.
All around though very nice work from everybody!, Im gonna have to find some time to do one of these soon.

[Octothreat]

Snarfevs - Im glad it hits the spot!
I went for Walnut's. Stylistically, it seems really strong, and just says "Im a mascot" :^^:

[skvv]

MIKECORREIRO-

This is a nice looking jump in style for mike, the red maple leaf heart sells it but it just looks gloomy and that's good. high school style mascots suck.

[Chuck,mate.]

thanks for the votes and comments, mates.
:)
obviously dudes and dudets here are biassed as usual, and that`s not something that gonna change any time soon.
(and i guess it`s also a natural phenomena where any group of people get together and share themselfs for quite some time...)
and maybe i just took the word "M A S C O T" too literal. silly me.

nice work everybody, voted for no one.

cheers,
Pat.

[Interceptor]

My vote goes to Walnut. That pose is so majestic :)

and..
thanks for the votes and comments, mates.
:)
obviously dudes and dudets here are biassed as usual, and that`s not something that gonna change any time soon.
(and i guess it`s also a natural phenomena where any group of people get together and share themselfs for quite some time...)
and maybe i just took the word "M A S C O T" too literal. silly me.

nice work everybody, voted for no one.

cheers,
Pat.

is this serious?

[Mike Corriero]

Chuck,mate - You have 21% of the vote so far, people loved your idea and no one said anything bad about it..

obviously dudes and dudets here are biassed as usual

In all honesty, just trying to understand what you mean by biased, do you mean because people tend to vote for something that is more detailed, painted, dark, moody? If so I can understand where your coming from because that is some times true, designs with glowing parts and teeth/spikes more often then not appeal to people over something of the opposite it's just how it goes. I just don't see why you feel as if no one deserves your vote, that just seems like disrespect to say such a thing, or childish to a certain degree. I question, if you were winning by the majority would you vote for someone then?

as a minor crit- I said before I loved your piece I think it's a great icon/illustration and would look great as a logo and on t-shirts etc. Though as far as a mascot, it doesn't quite stick to the topic which involved a specific location " Montreal ". I don't see anything in the design that would reflect the topic: " Montreal Workshop Mascot " other than the design being styled like a creature logo with conceptart.org's color scheme.

[Chuck,mate.]

sheeshhh.....relax, antboy.
i know mine isn`t a bird skull with random shapes copy-pasted mirror-ways,
but still, i thought.. well.. characters should have.....you know....CHARACTER.
and i don`t take myslef too seriously and make things "detailed,painted, dark, moody" for something that should be FUN, like a godamn workshop MASCOT.

and i didn`t vote for anyone, because no piece really do anything to me.
what? should i lie and play "nice"? people will hate me? really?
screw that.
i`m glad some (including yourself) liked Monty. it was a FUN piece to create,
and every comment and vote is most appreciated.
that`s all i really care about.
turn down a notch the stick-up-the-butt mode.

[2medusa]

Chuck, you are a real piece of work. Stirring up shit seems to be your modus operandi . In all seriousness, you should run, not walk, to your doctor's office and get on some meds. Your psychosis is out of control again.

[Chuck,mate.]

Chuck, you are a real piece of work. Stirring up shit seems to be your modus operandi . In all seriousness, you should run, not walk, to your doctor's office and get on some meds. Your psychosis is out of control again.

hey, medusa :
get raped.
oops. look what my psychosis made me do now....

[Nexus]

Alright children lets grow the fuck up. Chuck we went thru this crap in CoW lets not carry it over to CHoW. Chuck if no one deserved a vote then dont comment. Mike sometimes Chuck just likes to stir shit up because it becomes an asspat fest in these forums. Not to say that some restraint might have been beneficial but too late for that now in retrospect. Nothing but respect for the both of you and youre well aware of it so when I say shit like this Im not just talking out of my ass. In short: dont comment if theres nothing worth commenting about and dont respond to people who you think need to reign it in in terms of negative comments. All this stuff accomplishes is a huge flame war that takes up pages and pages of what could be useful/instructional comments. End it now.

[Mike Corriero]

Say what you want to me chuck I could care less, but I'm at a loss for words on this one your out of control with what you said to 2medusa.

[romance]

hey, medusa :
get raped.
oops. look what my psychosis made me do now....

This is single-handedly the most insulting thing I've ever read on these forums.

[vigostar]

Yeah, seriously Chuck that was not cool man. I think alot or people on these forums should be more professional and stop being like a bunch of prima donnas. If someone doesnt like your artwork for whatever reason then so be it. Im not always crazy about your work myself but, every once in a while you'll pump something out that like "oh, shit.... Thats hot!"

A person's artwork isnt always going to cater to the masses it's the pride you put into it whats important.

BTW- I voted for Walnut...

[sve]

Chuck, I like you very much. but it is a bad kharma to wish someone disaster. You better correct it. I'm not religious but I believe in self-destruction with negative emotions. they will eat you from inside out, said from personal experience. You need to be in control of them, not the other way around. Treat others as you don't mind to be treated. :). I repeat I like you and respect you and know you are very overworked.

Now back to art
I voted for octothreat, but my, oh my, I will not forget this Chow, so many interesting ideas and images. Really feels like big impulse of energy and intellect. Maybe the theme has to do something with that and apparent sympathy to CA.org.

Octothreat
Description effected me a lot, I admit, but I liked the idea very much, it symbolizes creative process for me and it is funny and salty and laconic. But to think, in the best moment, or ,maybe we wish it was like this, but isn't it the best scenario - create the art subconsciously, free, just pouring your feelings on paper, like this octopus doesn't have control to stop ink and creates images non stop. Crazy and truthful idea of creative process, in my opinion.
Execution is very simple, but beautiful nevertheless. Fonts of the text are a bit too tense for the uncontrollable ink leakage, but anyway I like the piece very much.

crazy3man. Yours were my second choice. Great execution, body language, the face, colors, everything. And idea, I can relate. It is not beautiful girl, muse, who directs an artist, it is something like this, mad, domineering, demanding, cruel. Heheh, the caricature has a sadomasochism in it, don't you think :). Creating art is very much mix of happiness and suffering.

WALNUT Very nice, interesting mix of strict design and funny-looking logotype. Good composition. the rooster has hilarious outfit, heheh, such a parody on superman. Funny, especially this shirt with stars :).

Chuck,mate. You know, I don't agree, it might be true in some cases, but i think creating art is actually movement farther away from our animal side, more to our angel's half. If we take the idea that we are half angels , half animals, or in some other proportions. So I don't like the idea art coming out this way, I think brains and other organs do the deed. Art as crap or whatever it is in your piece, I don't know. Maybe you are being ironic.
Your image has a meaning, but I don't want it to be true.
Execution is great though. just face expression is enough to know what kind of creative force it is.
P.S. You said you are grateful for any comments, remember that if you want to write back. I wrote with these of your words in my mind. In my mind, art is not crap, it is a cream of human brains, nectar of his soul. sorry for high words.

MIKECORRIERO Interesting, there is a motion from bottom of the page to the top in this painting, like grow, You have a very positive feeling about art creation, looks like the best thing for you. Image reminds me a tree and I have association with complexity and time and energy consuming process of growing as an artist. Looks exotic too. Interesting, pose is static, but there is an inner motion to the top. I like it. As a crits, I think image is a bit overloaded with symbols.

Cognition I think the idea is cult of Beauty and Human body. Takes back to antique times. And actually I have an association with Kubrick move (Eyes wide shot) too, this bird mask and mysterious rich colors reminds me this.
Body language is a bit not clear. and the shadow looks out of style in my opinion. I like the coloring so much, very elegant image.

[JakkaS]

Let him play his games...who cares....btw, Chuck you should search in some dictionary meaning of word "modest". The worst thing is that you are talented and I don't know why you have these complexes….

You don’t have to write to me … :blahblah:

Cheers
Kuba

[sve]

I actually care, I like him.

[Mike Corriero]

Thanks for the crits/comments Sveta, you make a lot of sense even though your English is a bit choppy ;) and I always appreciate it.

[sve]

Mike, thanks for telling me this. Really glad you said this. I always wonder how much of what I wanted to tell went though my words, because of my English in particularly. But I wish you were more precise and told me exactly what I write wrong (for your own eyes sake, in future, btw) If not you, who will help me? :).

[carotello]

Chuck, I am appalled that you took something so insignificant as a voting count and decided to look at it as some sort of personal vendetta.

You say we are all biased as usual. Do you really believe this? Because if you do, then you are going to be a sad human being for the rest of your life. The fact that there is such variety of ideas and styles in these activities is what makes them wonderful. So you went for something more graphic and "fun" as you say. Well, some other people decided to go for a style that is more realistic and serious. The word Mascot means different things to different people, and since the interpretation in this activity is always mostly open the result were very different feels and looks.

So more people felt more touched by Mike Corriero's image. Big fucking deal. Everywhere you go in this world this is going to be the case, and if you feel the need to attack everyone who doesn't like your style, well, better prepare yourself for a long life of personal war.

Am I biased for voting for Mike Corriero? I don't know what you think the word biased means, but if it means to vote for something that appeals to me more, then by all means. I don't know Mike, I don't have any personal liking for him, because I don't know him. I saw the works, and I voted for the one I liked best. I felt the image had a bewitching quality to it, and it appealed to my personal aesthetic. I found your image well executed, but it didn't stirr anything in me. I felt it did not embody any of the qualities of either Concept Art or the Montreal Workshop, but it was just a funny character that could have been used for anything. I found your description trite and unnecessarily vulgar.

You said that people sticking together is a natural phenomena. You are right, people tend to stand for people they know and sympathise with. While this was not the determining factor in my voting, it definitely is a determining factor in me posting a reply to your despicable posts.
I think you need to realize what an incredibly loathsome thing it is to say to anyone "get raped". I don't care how cool you think it is to be indecent and outrageous. I think it reflects an inferior and incredibly immature personality.

I believe you need to realize that antagonizing people in the lowest way possible isn't the way to cope with the insecurities the outcome of this activity seems to have spurred in you. Again, I hope you can reflect upon this and get something out of it that will help you in your career and dealings with other people. But I do believe you owe an apology.

[Thefultron]

wholly shit mike! I'm suddenly feeling very proud to be canadian.

[chaosrocks]

sve- I love your comments and your thoughtfulness about these activities and art in general. I kinda like the way your english comes out. it's always clear. I would be very happy to proof read for you any time. although I don't think it's nessisary. This whole deal seems to be about communication and you communicate well.

chuck---eh....not again....its getting boring. some times your work is great, sometimes it's not. I do believe people are judging on the merits.... different eyes see different things. different interpretations... shit, thats why we say why we vote for whomever we vote for.

nobody says " I voted for Chuck cause he's acting like an ass again" or "I voted for Mike cause I like him, he's a nice guy" .....I look at the work, I see what I see.

bleh
Chaos

[sve]

Thank you, chaosrocks :bashful:, it's so sweet of you to say this, and please correct me every time you notice my bad phrasing. I'm perfectly aware of my weakness of putting my thoughts in words and it is like dream come true, to have help.
Sveta

[Simon Boxer]

Thanks for your feedback, sve. Much appreciated. I'll try removing the shadow and adding somet other elements for my folio.

Since you're requesting help I'll just correct the grammar of your last post:

Thank you, chaosrocks :bashful:, it's so sweet of you to say this, and please correct me every time you notice my bad phrasing. I'm perfectly aware of my weakness of putting my thoughts in words and it is like dream come true, to have help.
Sveta

Would read better as:
Thank you, chaosrocks, it's so sweet of you to say that, and please correct me every time I phrase something poorly. I'm perfectly aware of my weakness when putting thoughts into words, and being helped is like a dream come true.

There's no definite 'right' way to phrase what you wrote, but those corrections make it more fluent.
But rest assured, we understand what you're saying even when the phrasing is a little off :)

[sve]

Thanks, you, guys and gals, are the best. Man, it bites me when I less expect it, I mean my English, I didn't know that it is better to use "that" instead of "this" in this (that?) sentence. Thank you very much, cognition.sb, some things will be hard to remember for me, Russian phrase construction is very different, but I'm sure glad I know that information now. :} I will do my best to talk correctly. Hugs.
Sveta

[Octothreat]

Sve - for the fourth time, thanks for commenting! I'm glad the idea has been well recieved. You seem to really think about what you see. And you're english isn't bad at all. I kind of like it.

[Chuck,mate.]

Chuck, you are a real piece of work. Stirring up shit seems to be your modus operandi . In all seriousness, you should run, not walk, to your doctor's office and get on some meds. Your psychosis is out of control again.

awwwwww......isn`t that the nicest, sweetest thing you`ve ever heard??

oddly enough - i don`t recall asking for her FART of an opinion.
i was voicing my own opinion in general.
then "iron pumping" mikey there just HAD to take it all personal,
and "HUGE nose" medusa just HAD to have a go too.
so fuck her. and fuck him.
my artwork (shitty or brilliant) has NOTHING to do with any of this.
and jakkas.....modest? you want to talk to ME about being modest?
c o m e o n . . . . . .

all of a sudden i`m such a crappy artist and such a shitty person to all of you. how BIZZARE.....
i`ve been around here for about 3 years now;
funny how no one seems to ever be honest with a guy.
lots of luck and happy days, kind kind people.

[Mike Corriero]

chuck, calm down..

[marco nelor]

alright guys alright guys alright guys. chill chill chill chill. lets let the art speak for itself. theres no need for character bashing, its just not done here. In this forum, where no one can see each others face, only the art they produce, i believe that bias is COMPLETELY not the case.
now that ive got your attention with the red font, ill say this, and u BETTER read it, everyone.
look, mike is a great artist. we all are. but in this forum, any tom, dick, or harry can show up, name himself "Sally Semen Sipper", and do a fucktastic piece of art, and win. know why that is? its because, (and i learned this from the workshop), it doesnt matter WHAT someone looks like, who they are, or what race they are, here art speaks for itself. so drop the bogus bias stuff, and if yer piece doesnt win, get at the drawing tablet even harder the next week. if it wins, it wins.


now, as for my vote, i love ya to pieces Mike, and great design, but man....u just had to be at the workshop, lol. there were SOOO many sexual inuendos(spelling?) made towards the massive black cock. Lol, coro must have drawn a series of 50 cocks.....and a cock-o-matic machine... the winning thunderdome was two chicks engaged in sexual acts....the winning instructor for the instructor thunderdome was awarded a 15 inch, super duper massive black cock. and i mean it. it was massive. that shitll go down in history, lol. SO....my vote (at long last), goes to walnut. KUDOS guys!

[Chuck,mate.]

mike.....PMsing me a warning about a possibility of me being BANNED?
really...?

i draw and paint 18 hours a day, been busting my ass trying to improve,
got out of my fucking skin everytime to teach (whatever i can..) , help, and advance any struggling artists (sometimes even through long-ass PMs...),
been taking part of any damn thing i can around here, risking my stupid stinking day job, and you and your ASSHOLE good-time buddies believe i should be banned,
because i refuse to bend over and play "nice"??

ban me.
seriuosly.
ban me.
if this is what this place as been diminish to,
ban me.
who gives a fuck anymore.

[Mike Corriero]

chuck all I said in pm was -

I just didn't want to see you get banned which might happen ( just so you know it was mentioned and "I WASN'T" the one who mentioned it, just thought I would let you know. I'm trying to help but if you can't see that, than I understand

seriously.. calm the hell down man, your getting too worked up over this.


i`ve been around here for about 3 years now

Dude it says you registered in march of 2005, correct me if im wrong but isn't that a little over 1 year

[chaosrocks]

you know.. If I made the same kind of comments on the same kind of schedule as Chuck. I'd be accused of having PMS. and it might be correct.
But anyway, what does it matter.... he just has a more forcefull way of expressing his opinions. Actually, chuck, your art says way more than you do.
heh
chaos

[Vulgar`]

Chuck's most likely irritated because he's getting the vibe that Mike's reputation is attracting all of the votes. Yes, most of his art threads are on pages 3 to 4. Yes, he's an active, contributing member that people look up to and know. It's as simple as that - some people don't like to lose when they think that they don't deserve it.

Now.. to the vote.

v - Walnut

I thought the first 3 entries of the contest were the best. Chuck's would come in second place because the little monster was cute, but deadly. Walnut stuck to the theme, had a respectable color scheme, (which rhymes) and contained the best creature - a rooster/roster. Well done to everyone.

[redehlert]

When I think of a mascot, it's usually slick, streamlined and vectored much like any sports icon (eg. Seattle Seahawks). While I do enjoy the not slick versions (eg. MikeC, Cognition SB) since they do represent MB in a way that speaks of their work, it seems to be too artistic and wouldn't reproduce well in the myriad of collateral and swag. That said, my obvious choice is Patri's little Monty - nice use of Montreal in naming this mascot, bud. BTW, I'd put this on a mug, shirt or any other swag in a heartbeat (sans blood spray)! :)
Cheers!
D

[davi]

i heard mike said chuck's dad looks like his mom

and also chuck said mike's mom looks like his dead

*runs*

[Interceptor]

Wow, Chuck. i think you need to go back and look at the first Ch.O.W. where everyone was supporting eachother and just having fun. No one cared who won. It's like like you're losing anything or missing out on some prize. It's just a fun challenge. And If you feel it's bias than just stop doing it, man.

[Fellah.]

Chuck has been living in Israel for too long - thats all:)

[Chuck,mate.]

fellah - nice commentary. really. wonderful. top notch.

Interceptor - yeah, my point (totally missed for some reason...) exactlley -
the first activities were all about the ART. and for the last fucking time - i could really care less about me WINING. my whole beef is, was, and will be the way people vote for their buddies. fuck winning, fuck my artwork. people just needs to grow a Back-bone.

davi - my father died of throat cancer about 7 years ago. hope nothing like that will ever happen to....i dunno.... You.

redehlert - thank you dave.

antboy - if you took your weight-lifting-ego-swollen head out of your butt for a sec,
you`ll see that the "i`ve been around here for about 3 years now" sentence means i`ve known about this site for that long. when did i register is
not when i come to know the forums. and i don`t need to calm down.
it`s nice, BTW, to see so many wonderful people having a nasty go at me.
favoritisim? biased? mob mentality?
WHERE??......

[Oblio]

boy... i dont even have the time to read what's all this about... but i have the feeling it's not coomenting art...
can i close this now? See you all on the next topic... it's a really sad story - way worst then any other forum stories ;) :hatsoff: