Bloooody Vampress {nudity}

[Artox]

Vampress - as female vampire ;)
I know the pic is reeealy bloody, but that's the way I wanted it
N'joy

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/879/vampchick19tp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[onionface]

body looks good - maybe give her slightly wider hips.
her head needs the most work. I don't know what style you're going for here. I think some construction would help. Her mouth appears off center and her eyes should be at the cnter of the hight of her head.
the body has nice form to it - try bring that to the face

[Doomgriever]

I know the pic is reeealy bloody, but that's the way I wanted it
no its not?
the anatomy is overall a bit off, the shading is ok, but u use all too much glowing tools >__> and you should try to color it instead... and what i can see you used 3 different colors -___- try to vary a lil bit. :)

[inspector Lee]

Using "color" Blend mode over pencil lines is not really the best way to color a pencil sketch. Try putting the pencil sketch on a multiply layer and paint on a layer below it.

[Egets]

to the old tradition I painted over the changes, and made them smaller sizes to more easily see the comparisons, and for a "proof" I happened to have a similar pose in one scandal magazine about Janet Jackson (God she is beautiful again now that she lost weight and what a athletic body she has <3 love her, and thank God she is not cutting her nose more than this if she did any more operations she will be ruined, she is so perfect now love her!!!)

I only had to flip it horizontally and its almost identical, however I didnt use her image for reference so Im here to learn too to see if its alright. first of all I was not happy with the hip area its way too slim comparing to the upper body making her look like masculine, and I quess there is nothing wrong with that but to me a woman should look like woman and feminine so I fixed it, as well the lower torso was too short you can easily see this if you look at Janet Jackson's photo.

Her head was way too big, some people do have big head and broad face but not this much, its not looking realistic anymore and her hairline is too low, the simple rule for the head is that its the shape of an egg and the eyes are in the middle of the egg, beginners always do the mistake of drawing the eyes too hight as in your image but if you can look at Janet Jacksons face the eyes are in the middle of the head - where the head begins from the jaw edge to the upper part of the head (Janets head has been even cropped here but her angle is going to reveal it more so the eyes should be lower then than the middle)

The sword was too big, unless you wanted to be humoristic but you didnt say you wanted to be, in Vaasa there is a group of male singers who actually had these size of knives but it was basicly for a laaffff :D but I think this woman is serious there is no time for joking or jokers and the blood is real too so we need a biiig impreessive knife.

Its a dark mood so I want to emphasize this mood in her face as well so her eyes has gone from the bloodlust to up so you can only see the whites of the eyes, even if her mouth is full of blood it wont appear all red its a hole so eventually since the mouth is open it will be dark, im not sure if you mind that I drew it open its because I wanted to emphasize the dark mood

I also wanted more expression by twisting her hand more her fingers more curled like in a cramp, her right hand is too short and again I wanted to create more dramatical mood with the hair and made it impossible loong

Because of the dark mood I coloured the background dark as if blood is also coming from the ceiling, old horror movie trick :D

I dont know btw why you chose to colour her body greenish blue, I left it like that but it doesnt look so right unless she is new X-mutant member ????? (Mystique raawwwks)


http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5984/bloodyvampiremine8ya.jpghttp://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4222/bloodyvampireartox8ix.jpghttp://img131.imageshack.us/img131/589/janetwithcrid5cf.jpg

[Artox]

Guys thanks for the comments, however I have a few things to say myself.
1. I don't have a tablet and overall colouring takes a lot of time to do, when you are using a mouse.
2. Overall colouring wasn't my intention to beging with, I just wanted to make the picture a little more colorful, so the vampiric nature of the heroine would be clearly visible.
3. Egets you have done a great job, however you have completely changed the position she is in. The hip-bone is right next to the snake-like tatoo, meaning her hips are twisted, which would have beeb visible if I had more space on my paper sheet :)
4. Her face has serious problems, I agree with this:)
I'll probably repaint it soon, so thanks againg for all your ideas and critics.

[Egets]

yeah ! Im not saying here that Im right and you have to go change it, I just see ca a place of artistic brainstorming where you can air out your opinions but people can take in what they like and diregard the rest, this is my own personal contribution to your thread and a sort of conversation with myself so you do what you like with your image :bashful:

[Artox]

Egets, great explanation of things.
Couldn't agree more with you about the face and the hair.

As for the weapon- it's a dagger, it's meant to be small, maybe the handle is too big for the size of the blade, but I meant the blade short intentionally.

Great background colouring, it really fits the mood.

The mouth wasn't open meaning there is no space between the teeth. She is actually smiling with her teeth stuck together, and in the same time blood is pouring from her mouth, colouring the teeth in red.

As for the hand, my intantion was to draw it as if she is playing with her hair, guess this didn't turn out so well :)

The skin colour is blueish to show that she hasn't a normal body temperature and is dead, plus I didn't wanna leave it white because of the pencil strokes.

I will definately draw this againg, and will post the result !

[Egets]

I quess there could be a rule of thumb that when you post a work in process you already air out your intentions in the first image, that will make it much easier for people to help in seeing weather what you were wanting to express has been succesful or not looking at it from this point of view you know ?

Thanx Im learning as Im "teaching" hehe !

[Artox]

ok, here is a work in progress I started today, any critics at this level will be veeery useful. MOuth and hand corrected.
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/9056/vampchicktemp25if.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Personally I think her left hand is a little too big.

[dischord]

yup, her left hand is too big, along with her boobs which seem to bit far apart as well. It's like she is laying down and they fall down on her sides. Her shoulders are probably too wide and there seems to be some perspective problems with her mouth. The pose seems a bit out of balance also.

It's got a nice movement flow though and it's better than the previous pic.

[dogfood]

As an aid, lay your flat palm against your own face and notice the size comparison. And from what you're showing us, her right leg isn't over far enough to support her weight (and it does not look like she's in motion, unless she's dancing).

[Artox]

hey, it's not my fault she's got too much silicon in her breast and the wight makes them go too far apart ;)
My intention is for her to be posing, that is to say she is not moving at all.
Thanks for the hand suggestion, i will try comparing my head and hand in this exact position.
And the mouth could use a little correction as well, thanks for acknoledging that.

[sone_one]

heres a little suggestion...

http://www.soneone.at/help/artox-op-01.jpg

keep working at it.

[Artox]

sone_one, thanks for tha pic it was helpfull, but here is what i finalized before colouring.
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7523/vampchicktemp46be.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BREASTS corrected, I think :)

[dogfood]

sone, you magnificent bastard.

Artox... :nohope:

[darkos]

sone one speaks the truth

[Egets]

the breast on her right side is sooooooo ooofff it hurts my eye ! Fix it or I come slap you :(
so is the hip area from anusplanet too. its way too narrow to look normal

BUT I like the face a lot and the pose in general raaawks !!!

[Artox]

Corrections done, check above!

[dischord]

Her shoulders are as wide as those boobs are far apart. I'm sure you can find tonnes of reference for both of them.
There's also some kind of deformation or bump on her hip, just to the left of the snake tattoo. It annoys me a bit.
The mouth looks a bit better now, though I would just steal sone_one's picture instead ;)

[Artox]

dischord I'm already using a reference, it's just that the model has wide shoulders and bibg boobs.
I'm done with corrections. Thanks for the help everyone, but that's it.
Next time I'll be posting the coloured version, hopefully you'll like it better.

[inspector Lee]

Sigh...:nohope:

[Elwell]

dischord I'm already using a reference,
You're not using it right.

[Artox]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5707/fey5ue.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
There you go.
OKI, maybe I screwed-up the pose a little by making her hold a dagger, but I'm trying, right ;)

[dischord]

erm CA has turned into soft porn, though I guess there's lots of it in the photo reference area.

compared to the photo reference, the head is smaller, arms and boobs are bigger. Wrong proportions can often ruin a pic quite badly but it's also difficult to detect yourself (I can draw heads and bodies, but never in proportion to each other).

Try using measurement lines for help. A character is normally around 7 heads tall, and it's quite easy to learn what goes where compared to the "head lines". Meh, I'm not good at explaining, but hopefully you've encountered those measures before.

[Artox]

hey, thanks, I know the proporions (but obviously I forget to use them for measuring.
Sorry, for the "porn" content, but hey you've asked for it ;)

[Elwell]

A character is normally around 7 heads tall,
Seven and a half to eight heads.

[dischord]

Seven and a half to eight heads.

I included the asians which would make 7 a kind of world average :P

[Elwell]

You could include bushmen, pigmies, and Andaman Islanders and it still wouldn't average out to seven.

[Egets]

:rolleyes: she doesnt even have nipples ??????

[sone_one]

sorry elwell but the average is more like 6 than 7+

7 could be considered heroic if it comes to females

[Elwell]

:nohope:
If you want to draw six head figures, go right ahead.

[Blue]

sorry elwell but the average is more like 6 than 7+

7 could be considered heroic if it comes to females
Yea, i was thinking the same. We learned 6.5 was "average" and 7.5-8 to be considered hero portions. Although, everything i draw is.. 7-9 anyway. hmmm

[fukifino]

There's a fundamental difference between a piece of art and a photograph. No matter how wrong something looks in a photograph, we'll believe it, because it's a photo and we know it has to make sense somehow. The same type of forgiveness doesn't happen in a picture, so no matter how true to a photo you draw, if there's something funky going on in a photo, it will just plain look wrong in your drawing.

This is a classic case of that. The model is obviously off balance in that picture. Egets and Sone_one did excellent jobs of attempting to correct that. It's something you need to learn to do. Being a slave to your photo reference not only limits you, it tends to produce poor work. Case in point: this drawing. Your goal is to make a good drawing, not an accurate photo copy (at least in this case)...in which case you need to see what's not working and fix it.

It's good that you're trying to correct the problems with the original work, but I'd suggest going a little slower and paying attention to Sone_one's correction. Get your proportions and everything straight in the line drawing before you rush on to rendering. And don't be a slave to your reference. (Of course, the hidden caveat there is that you can't make up what you don't know...so do lots of studies from reference to learn...preferrable from life or full body photos so you can see how the figure is balancing.)

[Elwell]

Just thought I'd remind you guys, since you seem to have forgotten...
Tristan is always right he's infallible like the pope ;)
(http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=896599&postcount=18)

:)

[jblack]

Fukifino is speaking the Gospel!!!

I would crop the picture at the Belly button down.

work with the top half. the Composition is a lot better there anyways.

Remember Analyze don't Copy!.

added new cropped reference pic

the important things about this pose to me is the contrapposto pose
and the rhythms that enhance this.
the arms and hands are very important in this piece...definitely get that right.
the beautiful "S" shape that her hair is making greatly enhances this piece focus on these elements before adding Daggers and tattoos. This should be a study. You should learn from re working this a dozen times.

hope you keep going

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2135/nudecontra7xg.jpg

[Egets]

I have much better nipples than she has !!!!!!!!!