got any fire? I've got ;P

[mroq]

Can I have some critics please?

http://www.mmogspot.com/~mroq/zapalka.jpg

[AmadorL]

don't mean to be rude but you have a long way to go.

[mroq]

hez, ok.. anybody with real critics?

[metalwinds]

study anatomy, and the grid paper is really annoying

[DustinTrimble]

Study pictures and if you can get it video of fire, it can have smoke and shapes you just can't make up without drawing over and over again:)

[mroq]

is it wrong to draw sth without anathomy rules or the way it looks in reality? what about concept or style? yeah maybe i'm wrong, give me the arguments..

[tegehel]

I would say 2 things:

1) if you critic, it would be beneficial for the poster - and the readers - if you included CONSTRUCTIVE feedback. Telling him or her that he or she sucks doesn't do anything to perpetuate the idea behind this website: that is to get feedback, positive or negative, to be able to enhance our skills, ideas, thinking processes, etc...if one makes the effort to post something here, at least, if you reply, be courteous enough to give him or her somethinh back, something they can use.

If you don't like the piece, please tell why, and what you would do to make it better. The author might not agree, but at least, s/he'll have something to think about.

Just a note: this is the SKETCHES AND DOODLES sections. The grid really shouldn't matter at this point :) Had he posted this in the It's Finished section, then I would totally agree...yup. Wait, maybe it's the Matrix grid and...hmm...

2) the idea has merit, as a sketch or an idea. Indeed, you might want to use references for the body and fire. I try to imagine this sketch done by Boris, for instance, and I think it could turn out quite cool. At this point, I would use picture references for the woman, the fire. Start to study what colors would work (light or dark background, red or blue, or green fire ? etc... skin tones, and so on). Also, what style are you going for, ie, will this be comic-book looking or more of a painting in the final rendering, etc...

I think I'll need to see a 2nd pass to get a clearer idea.

Don't get discouraged, keep working on it, post the next version and you'll get more feedback, I'm sure.

C.

[mroq]

thank you :) I wanted this picture to be black&white and in comic style as such. I consider it as a finished sketch.

[sumtinsumtin]

ok hear i go

i like what your tryin to do, it looks like a
woman made of fire comin out of a staff
first off, look at women, i mean really look
study them and go to figure class. this is a
really good way to cheat and get a pose to
work from, or you can have your girlfriend, mother,
grandmother pose for you in a pose, this helps
with posture and if you want you can put a light on
them to simulate a light source to give them form,
if you want to try something tricky you can put the light bulb
at their abdonmen to simulate a glow.

itd also help to study fire, this can be difficult
ive found it helps to forget its fire, and then you kinda
got to humanize it, kinda like see where its goin and its
characteristics, if you do this right you may be able to make fire, as in know where its goin.

lastly, perspective. addin some kind of dynamic angle or just workin out the elipces in the staff would help,

hope i helped some
id like to see more if you gottem,
and post again if you make revisions on this one

peace
:chug:

[platypusStar]

is it wrong to draw sth without anathomy rules or the way it looks in reality? what about concept or style? yeah maybe i'm wrong, give me the arguments..

There really are no anatomy "rules", anatomy is basically what anatomy is. It's more like a fact, that's how a human is built.

Regardless of whether or not you are working on a concept of a lizard-man warrior, or a fire person, they are both still derived from a basic "real" thing. A lizar-man would have to have a fictional anatomy, but to create a convincing anatomy, an artitist plays with what is real to construction something fictional, yet convincing .

Learning how to draw is work, and is a continuous process, it will never end. You may see a lot of professional work and feel that they have reached the top and heve learned it all, but this isn't true. Regardless of where you start, you will always be learning how to draw better until the day you die.

I have to agree with tegehel that perhaps your first "critique" was a bit harsh. Just as forewarning though, if you plan on taking drawing seriously, I find that some of the best teachers who are doing their job at helping a student learn are those that tend to speak the truth, and what they see. This means critiques can be harsh, sometimes gut-wrenching.

don't mean to be rude but you have a long way to go.

This comment may have been "ill-worded" and should have been followed with helpful pointers, but remember, if you ask for a critique, be prepared to get one. As one of my teachers says, "I'm not here to hold your hand and tell you you're a great artist, I'm here to point out your weaknesses so you can overcome them." That is how you grow.

As far as my crique goes: study some anatomy, it is important, and will help you understand not only how the body is built, but will help you decide what types of marks need to be made to give the drawing life. The drawing also feels somewhat tight, like you where tense and only moving your fingers to draw. Use your whole arm, it gives you a better range of movement and opens up your mark making. As for the graph paper, there's nothing wrong with drawing on it, but it can be easier mentally to have a clean sheet with no grids or lines already on it that can distract or dictate how you mark. I agree that another pass would be good. It might be benneficial to sit down and draw portions, design the face or head, design the staff/cane, see how you want to position the flames, etc. Draw over and over, and you don't have to draw an entire piece that is finished. Just learn from each drawing utnil you do your final. Most importantly; have fun!

[mroq]

what if it is not a woman, it is a alien whatever? I mean that aspect when I was asking about anathomy..

(thank you for other criticts)

[mroq]

btw. here is one more, that woman made of fire was planned, this picture wasn't, consider yourself :)

http://www.mmogspot.com/~mroq/twarz2.jpg

[platypusStar]

what if it is not a woman, it is a alien whatever? I mean that aspect when I was asking about anathomy..

Regardless of whether or not you are working on a concept of a lizard-man warrior, or a fire person, they are both still derived from a basic "real" thing. A lizar-man would have to have a fictional anatomy, but to create a convincing anatomy, an artitist plays with what is real to construction something fictional, yet convincing .

Again, anatomy is going to be over-all an important aspect of a character design. The Alien from "Alien" used a variety of anatomy pieces from humans, animals, and (mostly) insects to create something.

Concept art is about designing something, be it characters, set, props, etc. The design may not be human, but if you have not understanding of present anatomy (human and animals) you have no basis to create a creature that will look convincing.

Drawing is simply taking what you see and understand, and making marks that represent that thing. The more you understand that thing, the better you representation of it will be.

I find your new piece more interesting than the last one, partially because there seems to be more detail in this one. I like how you're shading with the hatching and cross-hatching. Again, try to loosen up. Make sure you don't hunch over your drawing and limite your mark movment to your fingers. That might feel wrong for a while, but in the end it will improve your mark quality. Keep posting!

[BluePencilArtist]

That was really pretty cool idea and I like to see that drawing on blank drawing paper in colors too without grid. Keep it up good work and there is no reason to stop drawing.