CHOW #26 - VOTING - Bataka Rai - 1st CA

[Oblio]

Yet words and pictures are now worthless… GODS are HAPPY; I CAN START TO FORGET YOU ALL!
So here we are… the end of this.
When I posted the topic.. I knew little about all this. Last week though… I took the trip to Egypt and got to know this wonderful and history/concept heavy place.
I’m sorry that the drawings some of you have submitted are not really to the usual CHOW quality levels. The stories are amazing.
Taken to the poll are only few. :[
i’ve seen pictures o Horrus in your drawings and not Amun Ra – the guy with the sun on his head.. it’s not RA.. but that is not important.
Last night in Egypt… wind was going on so strong under the hundreds of doors in my hotel, that it sounded like all the pharaohs were crying. I could not check in the morning if all the markings on the tombs have changed or not.
I had a sick nightmare that night.

Now… let’s see… who is the one closer… to lose his reality? ;) .

CLICK YOUR VOTE


http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1312/cumquatchowbatakaraicopy15ub.jpg
Bataka Rai was always an introverted man. He preferred to sit in some secluded corner of the courtyard and dream up imaginary worlds rather than partake of the real world. He fashioned wondrous gods and monsters and he loved each of his creations dearly. They were like his children. Eventually, after years of immersing himself in his art, his creations began to become more real than the people around him. He started to believe that the world he was living in was an illusion and that the real world was that where his gods dwelt – the afterlife. He spent years perfecting this world; fashioning creatures for it, giving them lives names and personalities. Then, when it was perfect he finally let himself become a part of it.

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http://www.carotellogallery.com/CA/carotello_chow26_batakarai.jpg
The son of Djoser's favorite Hem Netjer (a common priest title), Bataka Rai was born during the third dynasty of the Old Kingdom of Egypt. The child was gifted with an uncanny imagination, and his father often drew upon the lore his son created to entertain the pharaoh, after reciting the sacred words to him. As a child, Bataka Rai would draw on the dirt -for papyrus was reserved for official documents and religious texts- by the temple doors as he would await the return of his father from his daily duties. It was here that Djoser, the pharaoh, came to recognize the image the child drew from that of his dreams: a face brilliant and magnificent and holy, Ra himself.
Djoser brought the child into his home, and treated him as his own son, but the boy who was shy felt ever estranged from the luxurious life that surrounded him. Throughout his education, Bataka Rai concentrated all his efforts in putting his dreams to papyrus, now readily available to him. During his artistic education he became acquainted with Imothep, the great architect. Imothep would become the forger of Bataka Rai's dreams. Bataka Rai the designer, would set down what would become the face of Egypt, and Imothep would see to it that it was built. While they became fast friends; Bataka Rai also felt their differences keenly. Imothep was outgoing and socially inclined, and he eventually became recognized and highly awarded for his work. Bataka Rai, who tended to be taciturn, became arrogant and bitter, and remained widely unknown. Slowly he withdrew from the real world and submerged himself into his own, a world filled with fantastic creatures; beloved friends who were always there at the merest summoning thought.

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http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f107/cognitionsb/cognitionsb_CHOW26_RAImay06.jpg
Devoted to the memory of Bataka Rai.

In his prime many people saw Bataka Rai as a visionary. He was highly valued by royalty, not only did earning their respect, but also a hefty profit from his services. As his reputation grew, so did his fantasy, commissioning numerous tailors and craftsmen to dress him in outfits shown carved into stone.

His futuristic look was considered very risque by many, and some disapproved of his feminine inclinations. He created such a wonderous facade and felt the need to conceal his real identity, spending days at a time working in solitude, accompanied only by his cats. He began to fear ever letting anyone get close to him, for they would realise he's nothing more than an everyday man. Fame was not what he expected and fear soon turned to paranoia.

Alongside his corpse lay a bounty of carvings and rows of garments. In his honour sprung a new Egypt.

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http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/274/chow26wipupfin036ni.jpg
This image depicts Bataka Rai at its best. At 18 he has just finished his master piece, the image of Ra, he had created 5 years ago. This piece made for the Pharaoh's tomb marks the wide acceptance of Ra, the Sun God. This god is now fashionable and everyone wants to possess the symbols created by Bataka.
Leading a good life, he creates Ra images and Symbols, in walls, jewelery and clothes. He is one of the most important people bellow the Pharaoh himself.
He now starts to understand how easy it is to manipulate everyone around him and he is happy because he gets what he wants, but he starts to think how futile and stupid people are, and that bothers him.

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http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/5505/rawwadchow26batakarai0xm.jpg
20years old Bataka Rai was very attractive young man which loved design and girls (like me). Than he started thinking how to be greatest lover in Egypt. All pretty egyptian girls were maniacs to fashion, they wanted to have beautiest clothes,make-up, jewelry and everything what can Bataka could designed. Than he redesigned his first sketch of Ra and make from him sex-idol, all girls loved cool god with big bird ..... sorry, with big bird head. But he wasn´t real , than the second coolest guy in egypt was his creator Bataka. Then He became greatest lover as he want. He and his girl fanclub founded the most popular fashion agency in the acient Egypt.

[croovman]

whoa, duder! where the shnitzel is my entry?

[voraz]

Nice everyone.
Voted for rawad because I like the sketchy style and the colours.
Cognition.sb- nice piece, like the rendering but I don't find it very interesting and his face looks a little flat, maybe because of the picture size.
carotello- nice drawing, i like the cartoony style. Don't like the Papyrus in the back so much...
Cumquat- like your piece too, but seems it could go a little further, though i know the time is little.
Fil
EDIT: there are some pieces missing in the poll, is there a reason for that? Just asking....

[voraz]

Was just reading your post Oblio and you say that the guy with the Sun in the head is not Ra, I think you are talking about my image... I did look up stuff in the internet and that image came up in severall places for the god RA (first page that came up in a Google seach: http://members.aol.com/egyptart/ra.html)
Also you are talking of Amun Ra in this post, but in the initial thread you said Ra, wich is different from Amun Ra, the last was a "fusion" of the gods Amun and Ra.
At least that's what I read when I investigated in the net... if i'm wrong please somebody correct me...
Cheers
Fil

[croovman]

this is pretty uprising, I hope I get an explaination soon on why my entry wasn't included! and I don't think "not usual CHOW quality" really is enough.
in any case, Cumquat is the one that captured me this round, I reckon it's that wonderful expression. technically everyone did great (except me appearantly! >: ( )

[Soliloque]

mine isn't here too. I'm kinda suprised ! Hey, you forgot two people here ! (Look like i'm in the same crew as croovman)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/soliloque/BatakaRai_Soliloque.jpg

[Simon Boxer]

Cognition.sb- nice piece, like the rendering but I don't find it very interesting and his face looks a little flat, maybe because of the picture size.

Yea, I know what you mean... It turned out quite bland, I actually prefer the original sketch. Also, I had to reduce the file size a lot because of the proportions, so the face detail is somewhat lost.

Anyway, voted for Carotello. Rawwad was a close second.

[KaWaii]

Yo Wtf !

Why Do You Dont Post My Final ?!

[KaWaii]

I dun want to work for nothing..

[vaughany_boy]

Personally, I treat these things as a learning experience mostly. Art is good at my school, but it's not the same environment as this community. I think that the best thing about CA.org is that it's full of proffessionals and people who are really really talented, so if the guys in charge don't want to let standards slip, it's ok.

Pointers for the future as regards my final, would be helpful if anyone has something to share.

I voted for rawwad because I really like the energy in the sketch, and it's carried through really nicely to the final, especially with the lighting. I love it.

I really like the rendering in cognition's work, especially on the clothes around the torso, sweet.

Cumquat's is cool because it really captures the emotion of the moment, and I really like the colours and the way the light falls across the scene.

I didn't think I was going to like Carotello's from the sketch (just my opinion) but the colour work is really phenominal and it's turned out fantastic. Nice one.

It's ok about being cut. I was a little pissed at first, it kinda feels like I've wasted time and effort, but it doesn't matter. I like the quality you find around here.

Crooveman, I liked your sketch by the way, great idea, facial expression and anatomy. I want to improve my work in those areas, and I'd have liked to have seen yours go further.

[carotello]

Wow...I think it's a shame there are so few entries here. Hopefully the next one will be more populated. Thanks to those who liked my thing. I voted for rawwad, I do like the sketch a lot, just next time include the feet :-)

[KaWaii]

List of people being LEFT OUT

-Croovman
-Soliloque
-vaughany_boy
-Kawaii (me)


First of all,

carotello _ no wonder there a so few entries...

vaughanyboy _ you shouldnt say something like that. WE worked for our art, just as much as the others did. Even if our work doesn't match the professional level, it DESERVES to be rated and viewed by other art-lovers.


I already thought it was strange that the deadline got extended without warning. But leaving people out is just very dissapointing. Oblio, was it just a mistake or what?

But since the poll already started, I guess we can all only watch...

Anyway, here's my share:
http://www.kawais-domain.com/Kawaii_chow_26_BatakaRaiFINAL.jpg

Description:

Bataka Rai, a 13-year old traveler . He's always traveling from town to town with his best friend "Ra". (the bird) Bataka is a friendly boy who loves animals. He doesn't remember his past, no one does.

In order to keep living, he works as a designer for everything each time they arrive at a new town. In exchange he receives materials and food as payment. Because his designs are loved by all who sees it, he sometimes receives valuable materials such like gold. With the materials he can make his own clothes, bags and jewelry for himself and "Ra".

The boy is a living legend. He has talented eyes for designing. People who has seen him tells about his pure, golden eyes. Like jewels.

The day Bataka Rai drew the god "Ra", he was captured by the pharaoh. After that, he was forced to work for the pharaoh to accomplish a new age. The age reverred as the "Golden Age". A new culture and gods were born.

However, Bataka never felt unhappy. He also never accepted any gifts or payment from the pharaoh. His bird died when Bataka was in his mid 20's, when the world was established.

A few years later, Bataka finally asked for his payment. It was to set free all the animals owned by the pharaoh. His last words were "Egypt doesn't need me anymore". After that, he dissapeared without a trace. People thinks it's a suicide because only his clothes were found.

So says the history...

[vaughany_boy]

True, an explanation would have been nice. I'm not going to post my stuff here though, see the other thread :wink:

[Kei-th]

weird the others are left out. But I would have voted for rawwad any way..

[KaWaii]

Well, it's not a matter of winning and losing,

but by ignoring artwork made by artists is truly lame/
Oblio, if the work is THAT bad, it WONT get any VOTES, so I don't think you should decide all by yurself and post whatever you like.

[dark sepiroth]

omg lol. I don't know what's going on here but an artwork IS an artwork.
Who has the right to say if it's going to be rated or not. It's very un professional.

It's called "having no respect for others who are not as good as you"
Maybe little bit of arrogance playing a part in it?

Anyway. Let all the people decide what's best or not. Not u as hoster of this tread

[KaWaii]

Btw, I voted for cumquat,

Nice work, I got moved ^^

[SquirrelHunter17]

cumquat gets my vote ;)

[theshunzun]

i gave my vote to carotello, because the style and the design are both imaginative, but i do like soliloque's approach.

plus, it seemed that carotello had some trouble with the abdomen. I'm not convinced of the style enough to accept his terribly small pelvis.

[cumquat]

I voted for carotello cause the way he stylized the character and the amazing back-story he came up with just caught me.
Rawwad was a close second. It's an amazing sketch, but the way his legs faded out just bothered me a little.
cognition , yours was a really cool concept, and the futuristic clothing was a nice touch. However, I didn't feel your piece was dynamic enough. If you'd done something more intense with the lighting, that would have just made it killer.
Thanks for the feedback guys, both positive and negative. I'd like to learn as much as I can from this, so I really appreciate it.

[DannySketch]

guys feck, seriously I don’t think oblio's gonna sweat it particularly, but just in case I say good on him!

this isn’t deviant art! what makes conceptart.org so F*&KING fantastic is that everything in here is rated up to a professional level, there are no short cuts, oblio has been appointed to rate what artwork gets in as closely as is possible to a pro level. This place will not make u feel like the best artist in the world, it wont ass pat those who don’t deserve it, but IT WILL help you to become one of the best artists out there if you just keep your head down, recognise how fu*(king amazing the talent is that surrounds you and be fucking humble!

Oblio is an amazing artist who has put in the work, respect his fuking decision and know your fuking role!

this is the way these events have always been and hopefully the way they WILL always be, and it makes you feel that much better when you finally get in, shows that you have overcome something.

show sum mofoing respect you young hoodlums you!*waves angry fist*

[Wholewheat_keyboard]

Wow ALL of these are great ~ how do i pick one????


Cumquat - Really like the mood, lighting and composition in your image. Really has a different feel to it than all the others. Had to find some little thing to criticize or i'd never have picked a winner - only thing is that his back leg doesn't seem as well rendered as the rest of him, and the whole back leg seems a little off anatomy wise, can't say for sure but shouldn't his left knee either be farther from his body, or rotated forward more? Anyway very nice work :)

Carotello - NICE! Love the comicy exaggerated style in your design. Really liked this alot. I had to find something to crit so what I didn't like as much is that the falcon is rendered in a different style than your char and to me it doesn't seem attached to the main character as it should, also like someone else pointed out, don't know if i really like the papyrus scroll behind the character ~ I hope that didn't sound too negative. :teeth: Btw also liked the slimy tentacled trash heap character you did in the cow thread this week, both your entries have gotten alotta votes!

Cognition.sb - Another really nice painting! All your work i've seen is very good and well rendered - I really liked your 'trash monster' design this week too! I like the brush strokes you used on the background also. Since I have to find something to crit - your character seems a little off balance to me, like he is leaning back on his heels and about to fall over, his left forearm looks a little long I think and the stone tablet looks a little bit flat/seperated compared to the rest of the character - great job tho and I always love looking at your artwork.:perv:

Voraz - Liked the way you painted the egyptian artwork in the background, also was wondering what media you used to make this because it doesn't look digital to me - anyway good job man :)

rawwad - Loved this one and voted for it! I really liked the style and expressiveness. The character isn't just well drawn but he seems very alive because of the strong posture, looks like that tablet has some weight to it as he is leaning back to counterbalance. It's cool to see how active you are in the c.h.o.w and c.o.w threads, I also look forward to seeing your work!:yayca:

[voraz]

Thanks wholewheat K., actually the part that isn't digitall is the bakat rai himself. The background is a mix of watercolour with photoshop painting on top. the figures I painted using a internet photo in the back as a guide, but got little time for that part and didn't want to emphasise the piece on that (I wasn't sucessfull on that). Then I think i applied some filter to make it darker, like there was little light (supposed to be inside of a tomb...), anyway the background was the most boring part to do and the less interesting in my opinion...

[Subsonicgerbil]

I have never posted on this thread before but I have been reading the complaints about who is left out and who is included in the final vote and felt I should say something.
The reason I post on this forum is because I would like to get feedback and hopefully become a professional concept designer. Part of being a professional concept designer is the ability to accept rejection.
All art does NOT deserve to be included based purely on the fact that you call it art. Oblio has taken the job of sorting the work and narrowing the finalists down to the few whos quality of work is up to par. I personally think he has done a bang up job and doesn't deserve to be berated because he didn't throw everything into the final poll.

Good job Oblio. Keep it up.
I for one am here to get my work judged and critiqued. Not to be molly coddled and told I am better than I actually am.

[croovman]

sorry, I didn't realize this was a job interview nor that I was trying to apply into a fine art competition. I have been visiting Creature of the Week for quite some time, and this kind of thing never happend there, nor did I have any idea this was happening here.
this thing is mainly to test if the public thinks your concept and skills are good enough compared with others, not what Lord Oblio thinks passes as quality. I'm sorry, but if the concept\idea is clear, the voters should be the ones that decide who wasn't "usual CHOW quality", I think.
I don't understand what criterion I or some of the other guys that didn't get in failed to accomplish. the no sketches part? there's a differance between not finished and not finalized.
at the least I got some very nice crits, but god, this is pissing me off.
my unaccepted entry, feel free to comment please, along your comments for the competitors.

-Stav

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/143/croovmanchow26batakarai8in.jpg

[Oblio]

sry for the late reply - i'm under heavy fire.
My initial plan was to post each non selected entry and give them a crit.
That way, even if you will not agree with me, you will know my reasons.
Unfortunately - i am extremely busy these days - jumping between studios and projects.. it's a real hell here. I mean.. i didn't had the time to post the new CHOW until today.

As soon as i will free up some time - i will get with the new politics.
Hopefully.. next week i will be able to do it.

Now... about who the fuck is Oblio to judge... He's nobody in fact.
Like you, my first submissions to COW were rejected. Trust me I KNOW your frustration.
I thought Fozzy has something with ME.
I was wrong but it took me time to see it - and it motivated me.
I wish you the same.
I really loved some concepts but the work HAS to be HI Quality - these are the rules. Rules were here before me.

I feel very heavy for judging entries - mostly because when i came to CA i was not drawing at all. It feels wrong for me to be in this position. And there are times... i really don’t know what to do and think for hours...
Hate me if that will help, i only try to help you. Everything i learned about art, my LOVE for art was due to these forums.
I try to take that on and on, further and further.

My tastes and reasons could be messed up – yet i work in videogames since... 1996. Maybe I’m too old for this. The crit section should help – you will tell me if I’m wrong.

[JakkaS]

Now... about who the fuck is Oblio to judge... He's nobody in fact.
Hehe, I think we could ask other way....who the fuck we are to judge that Oblio is judge....and seriously.... You do great job Oblio. I like the few last rounds. Different interesting themes and quick setting the poll. For me your choices were more interesting then Oregano's [Sorry M8 :D]. I had few sketches but didn't have much time to finish them. I agree with you with no taking to the poll not finished works but in the last round you was too severe [is this good word for that?], I think.

[asoir]

no worries about my entry, I personally know it sucked ass ;)

[croovman]

blah... sorry if I even scratched the surface of offending, oblio. couldn't help but feel that you just missed those nice and shiney submissions of early chows and just decided to go off filtering whatever didn't pass your bar of quality; but if I had known this was your plan (if your intentions were written in the topic post or something), I seriously doubt it would've made me even as half as upset.
I would love to know your reasons as soon as you are free to express them.
and the chow goes on

-Stav

[chaosrocks]

voted cognition
I like the introspective quality, as if the vision was all inside and there were a disconnect withthe out side. This was an intriguing topic and I didn't feel that I could spare the time to do it justice. Oblio is a sterner judge than some of the others, but fair. and if he's going to take the time and effort to deal with logistics of all this he is to be applauded. I enter fewer chows, but that's just cowardice on my part.

keep up the good work! on all fronts
chaos

[GratefulDread]

crooveman, maybe you should look at the past entries not just the one for this week. In all honesty your piece is by no means "finished" If you want to know what "finished" is look at some winning entries and realize your an ass. Check your attitude think about it this way. this is oblio's house, would you walk in and hang your "work" on his wall without asking? it's not your place to try and hijack the thread. respect your elders bud.

[Soliloque]

First of all, I must say i'm not mad at all about what Oblio said or have done. I'm really glad of the work he's making and I never been mad about him for not taking my work even if it took me a long time. Meh, I posted it just under =). I was just a bit anxious about the no response. Oblio has a lot of work this week, good thing for an artist.

Personnally I voted for Rawwad 'cuz I liked his pencil line, pretty neat :teeth:. Anyway, if i'm posting here is because I think the conversation on this thread has gone too far, which lead me to my second point.

I dunno who said that ( and I don't want to remember ) but sure the level of Conceptart.org is amazing. On the other hand, the real difference between Conceptart.org and Deviant art isn't the level only, it the communication between people. I've decided to stick with this web site 'cause I found a nice community of pro AND students who wants to learn, and share. To te guys who said that were not Deviant Art here, it's obvious ! I've been real pissed off by the way he (or she) saying it.

guys feck, seriously I don’t think oblio's gonna sweat it particularly, but just in case I say good on him!

this isn’t deviant art! what makes conceptart.org so F*&KING fantastic is that everything in here is rated up to a professional level, there are no short cuts, oblio has been appointed to rate what artwork gets in as closely as is possible to a pro level. This place will not make u feel like the best artist in the world, it wont ass pat those who don’t deserve it, but IT WILL help you to become one of the best artists out there if you just keep your head down, recognise how fu*(king amazing the talent is that surrounds you and be fucking humble!

Oblio is an amazing artist who has put in the work, respect his fuking decision and know your fuking role!

this is the way these events have always been and hopefully the way they WILL always be, and it makes you feel that much better when you finally get in, shows that you have overcome something.

show sum mofoing respect you young hoodlums you!*waves angry fist*

Saying that we must be fucking humble isn't right. Of course we should be, but it's not a reason to not try ! IF you're saying that, then you obliterate a large scale community behind the pros, who like their works and wants to do the same. Just because of this post I'll continue to post more C.O.W. concept so I can show that beginners, if they want, can do it. And if i'm not taken, I don't mind, 'Cuz the difference between DeviantArt and ConceptArt is communication and sharing.

BTW, I don't mind if I'm not taken, see my work as a tribute to greater artists. Thanks Oblio for making this part of the forum alive, and continue your good work !!

Thx Theshunzun for your little comment, you're making my day. He was not really finished though and really really not a character concept. Plus the anatomy is odd, I'll try harder with the Non-Asian Geisha.

See ya next C.O.W. , cutes geishas are made to be drawn by cute chick.
Soli

[Oblio]

here we are (got some time between two meetings)
first round of C&C - i really hope i'll be able to keep at it.

General Notes:
- please regard all these as my personal comments – all subjective.
- i will judge each entry like it’s part of a project.
- for the sake of the comments and for a realistic scenario, I will be the client. I lead the project – so comments like – it does not impress me – are viable.


Asoir – (nice and steady name btw)
Description – very “seated” concept. I miss the big dreams, the big WHO, WHY, HOW…
Image: Maybe bottom line is: it lacks drama. Anatomy issues (neck and body connection), a bit dirty, linework a bit random. Also – it lacks volume and depth. I understand the fine-art flat style approach… yet even for that it’s a bit dry. Looks like a quick job though so… I guess you are ok with it.

Vaughany boy

Description: Some nice parts (going into little details) some parts to put me off. Egyptians did not fear death – life was just preparation for the great moment.
Image: Serious anatomy issues. Make some portraits from life. You choose a very complex position too – I love the way you challenge yourself. Your image is VERY flat. Work out your values – make the picture B&W and look again. It’s hard to tell if the table is really the most advanced and the blue drapery (that blue is very saturated) is on the back. So.. I would say.. work B&W first… fix the shapes and values.



Soliloque
Description: Nice story. I like the “mother element” and the way the passion dies when it’s misused.
Image: I will go with the same advice. Make your pic B&W and see the values. There is no consistency there and a lot of things don’t read well. His face looks adult. His right elbow is… too low – proportions there need some fix. Shadow is inconsistent too.

Croovman:
Image: linework is dirty and dry – you have a contour that does not express the shape it defines. Your initial sketch is better. In the clean-up process you made it very stressed. Coloring doesn’t work at all – your strokes are in all directions, colors saturated and messy. Right hand too big, rib cage, pectorals, knees and feet issues.

KaWaii
Man.. I’m sure that if Luffy would be rejected at his first entry he will go: SUUUKOIIIIII ;)
Anyway.. here we go.
Description: I love the traveler, the bird, the positive side of the disappearance, the golden eyes. However, the story is broken in a lot of pieces and I have a hard time to link them all. The bird dies – yet only years later his work is done. Freeing the animals… sounds just childish… dunno.
Image: Well… it’s very messy. Anatomy (even for manga char) is wrong. Line quality is low, neck is broken, lots of random strokes. Make it B&W – contrast should get lower with the depth. Saturation too.

This is the first time I do this – if it’s wrong – let me know.
Thx,

Oblio

[vaughany_boy]

Thanks for taking the time to comment, I will pay some attention to the areas you've suggested.

[croovman]

crooveman, maybe you should look at the past entries not just the one for this week. In all honesty your piece is by no means "finished" If you want to know what "finished" is look at some winning entries and realize your an ass. Check your attitude think about it this way. this is oblio's house, would you walk in and hang your "work" on his wall without asking? it's not your place to try and hijack the thread. respect your elders bud.

I am not your bud. respect other people.
In any case, if you had let people hang their "work" in your house, and there would be a few that you wouldn't like to be there, would you go on and throw them right out the window infront of the author's eyes? cause that's how I felt was done to me. yeah, I acted like an ass, but I was upset, and I apologized. if it's not too much trouble to you, do not judge me, please.

Croovman:
Image: linework is dirty and dry – you have a contour that does not express the shape it defines. Your initial sketch is better. In the clean-up process you made it very stressed. Coloring doesn’t work at all – your strokes are in all directions, colors saturated and messy. Right hand too big, rib cage, pectorals, knees and feet issues.

thanks, that's relatively specific. I was stressed so I guess it connects to it looking.. well, stressed. I understand all the other crits too, thanks again.
still I am confused about your method of rejecting, by principle. do you simply reject what you don't like? cause that was not clear to me at all when I posted my entry.
much respect for the ambitious mission you have set yourelf, aside from running this subforum. I hope you will be able to execute it with your apparently busy schedual.

-Stav

[Artifex33]

Went with rawwad's illustration on this one. I liked the quality of the render and the feasibility of the look. The sketchiness of the outline makes it look almost like an architect's draft, which is very appropriate considering the character's background.

[asoir]

here we are (got some time between two meetings)
first round of C&C - i really hope i'll be able to keep at it.

General Notes:
- please regard all these as my personal comments – all subjective.
- i will judge each entry like it’s part of a project.
- for the sake of the comments and for a realistic scenario, I will be the client. I lead the project – so comments like – it does not impress me – are viable.


Asoir – (nice and steady name btw)
Description – very “seated” concept. I miss the big dreams, the big WHO, WHY, HOW…
Image: Maybe bottom line is: it lacks drama. Anatomy issues (neck and body connection), a bit dirty, linework a bit random. Also – it lacks volume and depth. I understand the fine-art flat style approach… yet even for that it’s a bit dry. Looks like a quick job though so… I guess you are ok with it.

Vaughany boy

Description: Some nice parts (going into little details) some parts to put me off. Egyptians did not fear death – life was just preparation for the great moment.
Image: Serious anatomy issues. Make some portraits from life. You choose a very complex position too – I love the way you challenge yourself. Your image is VERY flat. Work out your values – make the picture B&W and look again. It’s hard to tell if the table is really the most advanced and the blue drapery (that blue is very saturated) is on the back. So.. I would say.. work B&W first… fix the shapes and values.



Soliloque
Description: Nice story. I like the “mother element” and the way the passion dies when it’s misused.
Image: I will go with the same advice. Make your pic B&W and see the values. There is no consistency there and a lot of things don’t read well. His face looks adult. His right elbow is… too low – proportions there need some fix. Shadow is inconsistent too.

Croovman:
Image: linework is dirty and dry – you have a contour that does not express the shape it defines. Your initial sketch is better. In the clean-up process you made it very stressed. Coloring doesn’t work at all – your strokes are in all directions, colors saturated and messy. Right hand too big, rib cage, pectorals, knees and feet issues.

KaWaii
Man.. I’m sure that if Luffy would be rejected at his first entry he will go: SUUUKOIIIIII ;)
Anyway.. here we go.
Description: I love the traveler, the bird, the positive side of the disappearance, the golden eyes. However, the story is broken in a lot of pieces and I have a hard time to link them all. The bird dies – yet only years later his work is done. Freeing the animals… sounds just childish… dunno.
Image: Well… it’s very messy. Anatomy (even for manga char) is wrong. Line quality is low, neck is broken, lots of random strokes. Make it B&W – contrast should get lower with the depth. Saturation too.

This is the first time I do this – if it’s wrong – let me know.
Thx,

Oblio
Very cool of you to do this, i'm really nooby at digi, so i'll take this into account...
PS. yay for easy steady names!

[KaWaii]

Well, I don't know how many people are still following this thread lol, but anyway, here it goes ! XD

Well, first, Oblio, thanx for giving feedback,

"KaWaii
Man.. I’m sure that if Luffy would be rejected at his first entry he will go: SUUUKOIIIIII
Anyway.. here we go.
Description: I love the traveler, the bird, the positive side of the disappearance, the golden eyes. However, the story is broken in a lot of pieces and I have a hard time to link them all. The bird dies – yet only years later his work is done. Freeing the animals… sounds just childish… dunno.
Image: Well… it’s very messy. Anatomy (even for manga char) is wrong. Line quality is low, neck is broken, lots of random strokes. Make it B&W – contrast should get lower with the depth. Saturation too.
"

Okay, first things first, this is the first time for me doing CHOW, I've been reading all the rulez, but never actually encountered the "quality border". Heck should I know, also, it was greatly confusing since you were busy like hell and was inactive. So I don't think it's anyones fault.

Of everything I've posted, I've never regretted anything I've said. I was just telling my feelings and thoughts since no one gave reasonable answers xcept fking me around. I can't see why everyone is so upset about it -_-. I've no interest in becoming an Geisha.

Oblio, since you know Luffy (lol), you should have guessed I'm quite straight. And "Sugoi" is something to say when lookin at others work ^^. I might sound angry, but have you ever seen me writing "I've no respect for you for hosting the CHOW's and giving comments about work?"

About the comment you gave me:

Thx again. I've never seen my anatomy with THAT much mistakes. However I feel dissapointed though about the line quality comment. I had pretty hard and fine lines, but I chosed to make them a bit messy to fit in the picture. About the random strokes, I think you mean the background. I though the rule was like ""background" is not necessary, but feel free to make them". So I just made a bit :/

I'm not making a fool of you now, but I think you can always pick up one or two usefull things from our comments. :) I'll go back practicing now.

and BTW !!
WHAT"S WRONG WITH CHILDISH STORY'S ?!

[chaosrocks]

so... Kawaii.. (and do you live there? beautiful Place)
where;s your "non-japanese geisha" ? Keep moving, keep drawing
if they don't take your work to poll...oh well.....if they don't comment? oh well. I've gotten to level six just by being, ....always here. I've gotten a total of three votes in six months (more or less) and I am proud as I can be of them.
yes it's hard when you thought you did good and get ignored...it's hard when you get ripped apart when you make too much noise about being ignored.. But honestly, these are good folks, who will help you a lot if you are willing to listen.
It was a hard topic, very specific and yet spiritual and vague too. I really didn't think any of the entries were great.. not the way sometimes one just jumps out at you. But hopefully we are all working at the upper edge of our capabilities. and sometimes it will work, and sometime it won't .

sooo.. where you're non-japanese geisha?
hey.... keep going, and stick around
Chaos rocks