View Full Version : Artists get ze Girls/guys?
Halos Chain
May 14th, 2006, 06:18 PM
Something I've been curious about...I don't have too many artisticly endowed friends, And I was wondering about Your personal experience with women/men, and How and If your art has influenced the relationship. Sorry if there's a similar thread, I couldnt find one.
Myself, I wouldn't have ever met my g-f If it wasn't for my art. She was looking through some of my galleries and It went from there, and been togethor..something under a year hah, and very thankful I met her. : ) I enjoy drawing her the occasional romantic picture as a gift, she always enjoys it.
*BA Ha, artists can be cheap like that, but a gift from the heart is always the best kind righttt?* :P
So, art helped Mee, how about you? :teeth:
nofingers
May 14th, 2006, 07:21 PM
I met my current girlfriend at art school, and we are both artists. Never would have met her otherwise since she lives so far away.
I'm not sure that being an artist will neccessarily help one to get gals/ guys, but it seems that non-artists are generally very interested in artists, so that's always good.
Blue
May 14th, 2006, 07:48 PM
In the end...if you have a talent which interests / impresses someone of the opposite sex, you're in golden. Can you use your art to help snag a girl? Sure. Athletes use that, musicians use that, and anyone else with something special to them uses that special talent or ability to help give them the edge in the dating game. :)
Tully
May 14th, 2006, 08:28 PM
Lord Blue, that only works reliably if you're a guy. If you're female and have some noteworthy talent, a lot of guys will shy away from you. Especially if those guys are talented in the same area but not as good. It's intimidating, I suppose.
Though I wouldn't have met my boyfriend of a year (as of tomorrow!) without the art, it has more to do with being in the same place at the same time and less to do with being skilled.
Jason Rainville
May 14th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Lord Blue, that only works reliably if you're a guy. If you're female and have some noteworthy talent, a lot of guys will shy away from you. Especially if those guys are talented in the same area but not as good. It's intimidating, I suppose.
I will have to disagree on that one.
In my design class, this one somewhat-overweigth girl that I never noticed before suddenly had her work up of the projector. The design was absolutely fantastic, professional grade and she was only in first year like the rest of us.
I never looked at her the same way again. That showing actually turned me on a bit. :tihi:
Tully
May 14th, 2006, 09:17 PM
Totally depends on the person! It's just a measure of reliability of talent=sexyness. Many guys will find a girl attractive because of her talent, but a substantial number will be intimidated by it. The latter type is the sort to stay away from romantically, but I think most guys around here will fall into the former category anyway.
Anyway, I'm just speculating. It depends on the people involved :P Generalities don't really say anything about anybody.
Evil_Sloth
May 14th, 2006, 09:23 PM
yeah chicks just use me for my artistic talent to draw them naked (titanic style) shorty after which they dump me and give the drawing to there next boyfriend. :yayca:
There was a thread like this that featured some article about artists or creative people having more sexual partners. Does that make artists whores?
dfacto
May 14th, 2006, 09:44 PM
Skanks maybe. :P
nofingers
May 14th, 2006, 10:09 PM
...some article about artists or creative people having more sexual partners. Does that make artists whores?
Not in my world....haha.....:(
But for me, my girlfriend's talent is a huge turn on, as well as her being super cute. When she showed me some of her other painting and such, I almost got a hard-on.
Tully: Totally agree with you. Being in the same place/time is how i've met all my girlfriends.....actually 90% of my friends i meet at school
le capitan
May 14th, 2006, 10:14 PM
I met my lady interest via work, but then later found out she is very much into painting. What draws us more together is something else i guess, a whole slew of things, but mostly movies and music. She hasnt seen much of my art yet we are both aware of eachothers talent.
on the point of drawing them nude: i remember reading something about how artists seem to notice more stuff, like pick out certain aspects of the figure that others wouldnt notice. Im a fairly strong believer in the idea that its the little things that count.
also id feal kinda awkward if a girl wanted to draw me nude, but my self esteam is not too high.
Interceptor
May 14th, 2006, 10:50 PM
We get GIRLS!?
Actually my artwork recently killed my relationship.
I'd study and study and draw and draw. And leave myself no time for the lady.
It got to the point where we never talked or anything, and now it is over. :S
A good lesson learned, to balance art and the rest of life.
Mirana
May 14th, 2006, 10:59 PM
A couple of yrs ago when my fiancee was in school for comic art (and I was still in univ, saving up to go into the same program), he got into a discussion with his all-male classmates about girlfriends and how they don't understand art/comics.
They worshipped him after they found out I not only loved comics, but wanted to learn to draw them. Things are different now...the department is 50/50 genderwise. :)
As far as meeting each other? We both worked at the same art store, and when I first saw him after he transferred in...he was reading a book. The similar art tastes wasn't even explored until months later.
Mr. Visions
May 15th, 2006, 12:12 AM
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/36000/36220hivo_w.jpg
here's your answer: HECK YEAH!
- VISIONS
romance
May 15th, 2006, 02:05 AM
You guys and gals have time for relationships?
Amazing Action Ape
May 15th, 2006, 03:20 AM
I've never gotten a girl because I was an artist. I've also never dated another artist. Artists are overrated. ;)
dannE-B
May 15th, 2006, 06:25 AM
Hm i met my current Girlfriend in Art class, but i reckon if we would of both taken english, science etc i still would of met her. So i cant say my artistic skills got me a girlfriend. However there was this one girl back in high school who said she liked my hands when i drew, yea i never spoke to her again..lol.
nicolas
May 15th, 2006, 09:40 AM
whats a "girl"?
AngryScientist
May 15th, 2006, 10:13 AM
Bah, here's some possible flamebait - I met my boyfriend on DA more than 3 years ago. Don't hurt me too much? :dead: :lens:
Snarfevs
May 15th, 2006, 10:14 AM
Most I've gotten was a very hurtful accusation that I was trying to press a relationship out of a girl with 'dishonest' art for her. This guy subscribes to and lives by ladder theory though so I don't take him too seriously anymore but it really slowed me down at the time. :S
Ilaekae
May 15th, 2006, 12:23 PM
My first 3 serious GFs after high school were fellow art students, my first wife was one of my art students (second year of teaching), my almost-second-wife-engaged-for-4-years was an artist and studio co-worker, and my current wife was also one of my art students, and all are still practicing artists except my ex-wife. I discovered early on that non-artists thought I was crazy, so I always dated people crazier than me to look good by comparison...
:P :needle:
Carnifex
May 15th, 2006, 12:52 PM
apparently jason gets em.:P
as for myself,i haven't yet,but it's stirring quite some attention.
Lady Medusa
May 15th, 2006, 01:15 PM
Never been in a relationship, never will be (probably). People tend to *mock* me when they figure I like to draw :/, so for me it has definitly not helped at all
Shamagim
May 15th, 2006, 02:07 PM
I´m a social innept, so no, but I can only pretend to be sad about it, cause for some extrange reason....I don´t seem to really need or want a relationtip. Maybe I´m just screwed up...or maybe I gave up a long time ago :).
DSillustration
May 15th, 2006, 03:29 PM
I discovered early on that non-artists thought I was crazy, so I always dated people crazier than me to look good by comparison..
or, you could do what i did...
marry a therapist who has absolutely no interest in art.
her clients make me look like a real catch!
artificial_green
May 15th, 2006, 03:50 PM
I've met my boyfriend at a concert where I was playing - he never new I could draw too until he saw my room. It is not something I advertise with :P Sometimes it catches the interest of fellow art students, but more in the teach-me kind of way.
corky13
May 15th, 2006, 03:52 PM
ummm.....i met my current gf with the power of beer n booze...no kidding...met her at a party...but we are both into art (she`s far more into graphical design than me) and the common interest surely helped it over the one-night-stand-and-good-by phase of our relationship. Though she doesn`t take my art and my ambitions to serious what bothers me a bit :-|
Gnosis
May 15th, 2006, 03:53 PM
I'm like you, Shamagim. A relationship would just get in the way of my self-actualization. I am way too selfish and egocentric, and the only girls that have ever shown some kind of lasting interest in me in real life, are ones that I find unattractive. My standards are way too high compared to my looks, but that's just the way I am, and I have accepted it.
I have gotten some attention because of my art, but it has never led anywhere.
Gnosis
May 15th, 2006, 04:04 PM
Never been in a relationship, never will be (probably). People tend to *mock* me when they figure I like to draw :/, so for me it has definitly not helped at all
Don't be sad. I'm sure you'll find someone eventually. I can't understand why people are mocking you because you like to draw though. Stay dedicated to your passion for drawing, it will last longer than most interhumanoid relationships do.
Cthogua
May 15th, 2006, 04:53 PM
In high school, no definatly not. I didn't play any sports, which was really the only activity that attracted girls at my school. I was friends with plenty of girls, but I think I was mostly considered a novelty...There may have been one or two that were interested, but I was wouldn't let myself see it...I figured no one would ever be attracted to me.
In college, no again, but mostly because I was a "nice" moderatly shy guy with the same self image problems from highschool. A few of the artist girls I knew in the department I was madly in love with (BTW it turns out it's just called obsession when only one party is invovled) and nearly to a one they had much older boyfriends, none of which were in school, most of whom didn't even have jobs...but somehow these guys rated higher than me <shrugs> I believe my friend summed it up in this fairly sexist, but pretty funny comment (alright now, put on your senses of humor) "Girls are attracted to danger, they would date a fire if they could" hehe
Well during my time in college I realized that I was my own biggest enemy when it came to girls. I would shoot myself down before ever even attempting to talk to a girl I was interested in. I also had a couple of fairly powerful, introspective LSD experiences in which I realized my difficulty with girls was self-created, and all I had to do to move on was stop it, and just be a normal person. Duh...right? I'm now totally in love with the most loving, understanding, supportive, and patient girl I've ever met. She is not an artist, but I'm doing my best to convert her though :p
Blue
May 15th, 2006, 08:28 PM
Lord Blue, that only works reliably if you're a guy. If you're female and have some noteworthy talent, a lot of guys will shy away from you. Especially if those guys are talented in the same area but not as good. It's intimidating, I suppose.
Well, a man attracting a women is a very different process from a women selecting a man. There is some truth to what you are saying, but its not a consistant case, as you will find what makes one person stray away, will pull another in.
I've never gotten a girl because I was an artist. I've also never dated another artist. Artists are overrated. ;)
You know...i've never dated another artist either. Weird thing, almost every girl i have had a relationship with (or became great friends with) is working in a field of psychology. They all love to dysect my stuff, too. There is more meaning to my stuff then even i realise, i guess. :)
MoP
May 15th, 2006, 08:42 PM
Well, my girlfriend is an artist, although interested in a different field of art than me, we work quite well together sometimes (and sometimes disagree entirely, heh).
I actually met my girlfriend through Conceptart.org, at one of the workshops. Happy coincidence, I guess...
Let's see who the super-detectives are in this thread...
Anyway, I find that while it might be easier to "get girls" (in my case) due to being able to draw or paint fairly well (or at least better than the average joe on the street), it's just the same "I'm impressed" factor that both males and females will get from seeing the work any artist they personally know. Just they act on it differently.
Flake
May 15th, 2006, 09:07 PM
I met my girlfriend at an art school so I suppose art could be considered a factor.
I think if we'd both been stacking shelves one or other of us would still have tried it on though.
Yay.
Mr. Visions
May 15th, 2006, 09:11 PM
or, you could do what i did...
marry a therapist who has absolutely no interest in art.
her clients make me look like a real catch!
That's hilarious! well, my girlfriend is an artist, but she mostly does music and film work. She also is highly creative, so whenever I'm lying under a huge artist block, she always motivates me and inspires my with her creativity. She also works late hours, so we can support each other at 3 in the morning. She's Awesome:bashful:
- Visions
SBACHAN
May 15th, 2006, 11:32 PM
yeah chicks just use me for my artistic talent to draw them naked (titanic style) shorty after which they dump me and give the drawing to there next boyfriend. :yayca:
I thought i was the only one to have used the term "Titanic style", when referring to nude/life poses.... (and i thought i was corney) just kidding.
See with me its just the tease, girls get all cute about it at first. "So you like, could draw me and stuff, like, for real?"...blah blah blah, then nothing happens.
Past girlfriends only found out about my love for art while actually in the relationship and thought it was cute. But art wasn't my foot in the door; one of these days it will be. And I'll be the art that i was destined to be...... lol
cartoonfox
May 15th, 2006, 11:36 PM
Ok, what's a "girlfriend"?
And where can I get one?
cartoonfox
May 15th, 2006, 11:41 PM
Oh, and how much can I get one for?
Kian
May 16th, 2006, 03:02 AM
I met my GF at college, studying graphic design. The thing is, we never talk about art or design whatsoever! Dunno if thats weird or not? But yeah, we've been together about two years now. I met her on a trip to London with the college. She was sober,..... I was drunk. I was surpised she even talked to me lol. *reminisces*
Cai: I think its 20 notes bro :P
Professor Az
May 16th, 2006, 10:36 AM
Hell, I've been married for 20-plus years, and my art still doesn't let me have much of a relationship! No wait, is that the other way around? Maybe it's I don't have a relationship with art because I've been married for 20-plus years? No, no, that can't be it... what were we talking about again?
*spies a quarter on the sidewalk*
Ooh look, shiney! :confident
Dan.v.D.
May 16th, 2006, 12:00 PM
well honestyl i wouldn'd say that drawing fantasy/sci-fi stuff is a plus at all ;)
Profil
May 16th, 2006, 12:11 PM
Ok, what's a "girlfriend"?
And where can I get one?
http://www.mailorderbrides.com/
John
May 16th, 2006, 12:25 PM
Oh, and how much can I get one for?
Finally someone sees what this thread is about.
well honestyl i wouldn'd say that drawing fantasy/sci-fi stuff is a plus at all
I second that. Except maybe if you enjoy waking up from a party next to a fat chick in a furry costume.
DavePalumbo
May 16th, 2006, 12:44 PM
If you're female and have some noteworthy talent, a lot of guys will shy away from you
I guess it can make a guy feel outclassed, but I know for myself that anytime I see a reasonably attractive girl dressed all rock and roll who can really sing, she gets, like, 600 bonus points
Redder
May 16th, 2006, 04:36 PM
When I was in art school my artistic muse was the model I worked with.
Do artists get the girls or guys? Of course because we are so damn creative.
Halos Chain
May 16th, 2006, 06:20 PM
Haha, I really enjoyed reading the various responses of you's guys. : D
In high school, no definatly not. I didn't play any sports, which was really the only activity that attracted girls at my school. I was friends with plenty of girls, but I think I was mostly considered a novelty...There may have been one or two that were interested, but I was wouldn't let myself see it...I figured no one would ever be attracted to me.
Well during my time in college I realized that I was my own biggest enemy when it came to girls. I would shoot myself down before ever even attempting to talk to a girl I was interested in. I also had a couple of fairly powerful, introspective LSD experiences in which I realized my difficulty with girls was self-created, and all I had to do to move on was stop it, and just be a normal person. Duh...right? I'm now totally in love with the most loving, understanding, supportive, and patient girl I've ever met. She is not an artist, but I'm doing my best to convert her though :p
Sports really seem to attract girls at my school too, you dont see the girlies flocking to artists to watch him paint as much as they go to the sidelines to watch sweaty guys chase a football down. : P I had the same Idea in my head too, that It just couldnt happen because of too many factors and that it was pretty much impossible for me to get a girl~which it wasnt, it was my own self created problem, but once I stopped that method of thinking I met my gf. : )
But, I'm really happy for ya! sounds like you have a wonderful girlfriend. ^_^ sounds a ton like mine, except for the patient part haha. : P
Mine's not really huge on art, but she does draw and isnt bad at it either. she does poetry and stuff though too, I think both people being creativly endowed is a good thing. : D otherwise it would seem that..I dunno, wouldnt be the same..like they might not understand how important art was to you if they didnt do it themselves. :^^;:
Sometimes it catches the interest of fellow art students, but more in the teach-me kind of way.
Yeah, one day it was kinda odd..I was spending my lunch drawing as I always do, and a girl came in and sat with me the whole lunch and watched me draw and talked to me, I'm not really sure what the case was..if it Was one of the "how do you do that, show meee" kinda things, or if she was really interested in me, or just plain bored haha, doesent matter much now ne who tho since I have a women. xP
Actually my artwork recently killed my relationship.
I'd study and study and draw and draw. And leave myself no time for the lady.
It got to the point where we never talked or anything, and now it is over. :S
A good lesson learned, to balance art and the rest of life.
Yeah I see, it really is important to balance art with life..besides life is where we all get inspiration from. : p I hope things go better for you next-time eheh.
Never been in a relationship, never will be (probably). People tend to *mock* me when they figure I like to draw :/, so for me it has definitly not helped at all
Thats really odd they mock you when you draw, I never really had that problem..and less so the older I got, people tended to admire it more than anything. : / maybee its justs the people your around? ^^' dont lose all hope for a relationship, I use to feel the same way..There's a lot of fish out there, you just have to find the right one for you. ^^
aightt..I'm in ze mood for more personal stories! : O *gasp*
MoP
May 16th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Gnosis, meet Lady Medusa. You're both in Norway. I'm matchmaking! :D
Blue
May 16th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Gnosis, meet Lady Medusa. You're both in Norway. I'm matchmaking! :D
I demand this thread be ressurected after their date and all juicey details be shared. 8)
cartoonfox
May 16th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Cai: I think its 20 notes bro :P
Shit, fuck that i'll get 2!!
Halos Chain
May 16th, 2006, 09:53 PM
I second the date of Gnosis and Lady medusa! :teeth:
dfacto
May 16th, 2006, 10:42 PM
I can't understand why people are mocking you because you like to draw though.
I dunno if it's the same as I've experienced, but aside from the "Oh wow, what are you drawing? You mind if I just hover over your shoulder and ask you stupid questions?!" kinda people you meet, there are some that mock the artwork. They'll just make some sarcastic comment about the subject you're drawing and sour the mood.
Gee thanks DAD.
>:/
DavePalumbo
May 16th, 2006, 11:41 PM
thats funny. reminds me of a time that this very Abercrombie looking girl in a bikini (was at the beach) walked up and asked what I was drawing, so I (reluctantly) showed her. It was some very D&D looking thing with a fallen soldier and a spirit or something like that. It also wasn't really coming out right. Anyhow, she didn't make any put down (I honestly don't remember what she said), but I was horribly embarrassed. Now that I think about it though, I was more embarrassed of the drawing flaws than the kinda weak subject matter.
Gnosis
May 17th, 2006, 09:54 AM
Gnosis, meet Lady Medusa. You're both in Norway. I'm matchmaking! :D
Haha. Nah, I'm way too busy :bashful: Besides, Norway is a rather large country, geographically speaking. :\
onionface
May 17th, 2006, 10:24 AM
I get less girls because I'm an artist - here's why.
Me an my pals are out on the town, there is a group of girls that are kind of showing interest. To let you know how drunk we are, we normally get we start with 12 cans of 5% beer each then head to town where we will each take a turn at shouting at each of bars we drink at, it normally means drinking a furthe10 to 20 rum and colas. So needless to say we are hammered, and we spend 2am to 6am in a packed bar where we know the bouncers so we don't get thown out for drunkeness.
Anyway - A girl shows interest in me and my friends will always say go for it. As drunk as I am, I'll say somthing like, "no, look at her toes" I can still remember toes that I met years back!. When the girl is fully clothed and nice bodied I will zone in on her face and find something else to pick out like "see the distance between her top lip and her nose is to large"
the thing is I am right about these little things, and my friends will always agree. But then they don't care about it as much as me. I find being an artist doesn't let me be with ugly girls. which narrows my success rate, because not all the good looking girls want me. But when I get em it's at least something I'm happy with, not some mistake I'm going to worry about meeting at the mall by accident in a few weeks.
I'm also A lot less emotional than other people, I am a product of evolution. I don't look at situations the same as most people and girls often tell me I'm too scientific or I have no empathy. I just say to them, "I'm an artist babe"
DarkMuse
May 18th, 2006, 02:26 PM
I would have to say yes! My boyfriend and I have been going out alittle over a month and he STILL brags about my artwork and poetry.
0kelvin
May 18th, 2006, 02:57 PM
I find being shallow doesn't let me be with ugly girls. which narrows my success rate, because not all the good looking girls want me.
Fixed that for you.
0kelvin
John
May 18th, 2006, 03:07 PM
:teeth:
Thanks 0Kelvin
onionface
May 20th, 2006, 04:44 PM
Fixed that for you.
0kelvin
Thanks 0Kelvin.
Amazing Action Ape
May 20th, 2006, 05:56 PM
hahahahaha CLASSIC!
Riess
May 21st, 2006, 03:41 PM
whats a "girl"?
:up: What he said.
johnny78
June 1st, 2006, 04:17 AM
yeah chicks just use me for my artistic talent to draw them naked (titanic style) shorty after which they dump me and give the drawing to there next boyfriend. :yayca:
There was a thread like this that featured some article about artists or creative people having more sexual partners. Does that make artists whores?
Thatīs why I never draw a picture for a woman. In my opinion, one of my pics is something I wonīt be giving to everybody. There are people waiting for 6 years to do a picture for them, no kidding. And if a woman sais something like... draw me something.... Iīm like... yeah... of course. I know that this is not nice. But I think it brings me bad luck if I give too much. And drawing something *for* somebody else is a very intimate thing.
Of course, job gigs are something different, they got no soul.
Oh, and yes.... I guess being able to draw beautiful attracts women. And if you donīt look that bad... bingo!
I didnīt use that for a long time, but know Iīve realised how easy everything gets with it.
vigostar
June 1st, 2006, 10:22 AM
As a person thats going on almost 5 years with his GF I would tell you that having a GF is pretty hard thing to have when trying to lead a career in something thats so time consuming. especially if you have one of those girls that are very attention needy. Sometimes I think that it would be easier dating someone that likes art that way your able to communicate better with them on the things you like. My gf actually took and art history class in college which she enjoyed that acually helped alot because she was able to look at my drawings and give real critiques based on some of the things she learned...
Carnifex
June 1st, 2006, 10:31 AM
i'm currently having trouble with my girlfriend because of art school.
dayum.
Saimon
June 1st, 2006, 10:54 AM
Im majorly attracted to artistically talented girls, i go by the fact that if they can create things of beauty that come from within, there must be something beautiful inside of them (sounds crap but it makes sense to me).
Unfortunately, as im only decidedly average, talent-wise, I never feel confident around aforementioned arty laydees...
So thats a vote for artists getting guys but a vote against if you count average artist getting talented girls...
If you'll excuse me now im gonna go and drown myself in ice cream...
Gloominati
June 1st, 2006, 02:58 PM
As a person thats going on almost 5 years with his GF I would tell you that having a GF is pretty hard thing to have when trying to lead a career in something thats so time consuming. especially if you have one of those girls that are very attention needy. Sometimes I think that it would be easier dating someone that likes art that way your able to communicate better with them on the things you like. My gf actually took and art history class in college which she enjoyed that acually helped alot because she was able to look at my drawings and give real critiques based on some of the things she learned...
yeah dude, I've got a girlfriend for about 2 and a half years now and honestly, since she isn't interested in visual art that much, I really miss some arttalk sometimes. Moreover thoughts are gettin really heavy each time that I think about that I want to leave this goddamn country sometime to be able to reach my artrelated goals.
appart from that having a girlfrien can be really useful for you artistic developpement, you've got some real cool advantages like really enjoyable free nude figure drawingclasses and.........oh well, lets stop that...
Moreover I am pretty lucky since my girlfriend is a really talented singer, and spends also quite a lot time with her music-art (havng a band and stuff) and so everyone has got quite a lot time to improve ones skills (she becomes a better singer and I become a better artist...). AND somehow we can inspire each other someway with the artistic stuff we do, she inspires me with her music and I inspire her with my art, so thats quite cool the way it is right now.
Kittywolf13
June 1st, 2006, 07:49 PM
i've never really noticed any connection between art and significant others. I mean i met my bf of 4 years in sophmore english class...although the only reason he noticed was because i wasnt paying attention and doodling in my notebook. it was a conversation starter. he doesnt really draw (although his stick figure doodles are always very amusing.), and his interest in art is minimal...although hes a big fan of metal works sculpture stuff. but i wouldnt say it affected our relationship in anyway. although he tells me he misses my yearly holiday greeting illustrations i used to do.
but lets see i have two other friends who artists. one usually ends up with guys who are muscians...but the guys are usually attracted to her goofy and outgoing nature. and the other met her current bf at art college, and they were both in the same major...but they hated each others guts at first...so i dont think art was a major factor in their relationship...other then a shared interest.
so it is a very interesting question. but from my view...no it has no affect other then say a conversation starter....though i would love it if my bf would try and draw again some time...
Slash
June 1st, 2006, 08:46 PM
Haha. Nah, I'm way too busy :bashful: Besides, Norway is a rather large country, geographically speaking. :\
haha, dont be shy! Just dont look directly at her face. Use something reflective.
Medusa: I know this guy. (or used to, havent spoken to him in quite a while :() Afaik he comes with my stamp of approval, if that means anything! :D
(kenneth, we need to sit down and have a beer or nine some time again. its been too long, we have some catching up to do.)
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