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Manga Sprai
May 7th, 2006, 04:20 PM
http://spraistudio.qualysearch.com/me_SMALL.jpg


i made this on painter in 6...7 hours...
hope u like it :)
i used a photo ref but not traced over :D
i tried to improve my self on using textures ^^

dem0n
May 7th, 2006, 07:46 PM
The textures would be great on an alien, but they dont seem to fit on this lad ;)
Overall it's pretty nice though.

Zergaloth
May 7th, 2006, 07:47 PM
you look sick :) (nice colors)
and your mouth looks a little bit too small.
the whole area from the nose down is to much forward, I think, you should be
able to see more from the farthest cheek.
Your ear is too low. You have a weird moustache thingy. (those stripes between your mouth and nose)
I'm no expert.

Elwell
May 7th, 2006, 08:03 PM
Could you post the reference pic?
For your sake, I hope it's not a very good likeness ;).
The individual features are handled well, but the relationships to the head as a whole and to each other are way off (again, I hope).

Spacemanchuck
May 7th, 2006, 10:32 PM
Well I was thinking that its a pretty damn good try, but yeah there are some things that need fixing. TO me the parts that stand out the most are that you look way too shiny. And the way your neck goes into the shirt needs fixing, its too sharp or something. But really its a pretty good.

Sems
May 8th, 2006, 02:08 AM
would be cool to see the ref pick, the nose needs to be longer far too much space between the lip and bottom of nose

FrankS
May 8th, 2006, 06:01 AM
The green colour and the shiny finish on the skin are rather distracting but as I do not know what you look like, it is hard to comment on the overall appearance. I would guess it is a pretty good job though.

hemmendorff
May 8th, 2006, 07:34 AM
The anatomical incorrectnesses and strange skin makes this a very nice piece even if it wasnt intentional.
I like that the blue-purplish background makes it look like a school photo. It creates a context seldom seen in a painting, and even more seldom at a forum like this.

This could probably make it into a modern arts gallery if put in the right context. It's a strange but powerful image. I love the expression on the face.

Manga Sprai
May 8th, 2006, 08:43 AM
thankyou thankyou thankyou again.
im not an experts, i know there are a lot of anatomic issues: im praticing with them. colors werent meant to be realistic, they re just i as i wanted to.
textures....i know..need pratice ^^;
my ref was this(u can see all the anatomic problem you all said):
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6724/lamiafot9tv.jpg

Coinpurse
May 8th, 2006, 09:07 AM
Could you post the reference pic?
For your sake, I hope it's not a very good likeness ;).
The individual features are handled well, but the relationships to the head as a whole and to each other are way off (again, I hope).

lol!

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Hey hey manga, that looks pretty good. I have to agree with the others here and say that you definatly need to bring out those tones and features a bit more. And ya, you should post a reference shot 8)

Manga Sprai
May 8th, 2006, 10:21 AM
i posted it :)

Denart
May 8th, 2006, 11:51 AM
This is freaky

i posted it :)
where?

Narcolepsy
May 8th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Alright. Before you try and tackle the 3/4 view, try something more conventional and straightforward. Get those proportions right. Even then, before you actually begin the painting, do some sketches, get yer shit straight. This is one of the more difficult perspectives to tackle, and you've got a slight worms-eye distortion going on, so it's bound to turn out wacky unless you map things out. The distancing between the eyes, the spacing between the facial features, and the overall distortion of the shape of the head kinda make you look like a twelve year old kid with down syndrome. Which you don't appear to be from the reference picture. Unless like, I dunno. You took an exceptionally deceptive picture.

Overall, though, the color use is pretty nice. You've implemented the use of warms and cools in a balanced fashion, and the overall fleshtones seem solid. Watch the mark, however, on your jaw, because it looks a little bit like you're developing lepracy there. Also, remember; when working from a picture, the colors are going to be off, and everything's going to be flattened. When you keep your references in check, you'll be fine, and it looks like you've compensated well for the most part.

Anyway. Keep on keepin' on, mang.
Cheers.

Zergaloth
May 8th, 2006, 07:36 PM
This could probably make it into a modern arts gallery if put in the right context.
God I hate these modern art guys. Everything's good if you put in the right context. What about just making good art, not about thinking up a good context for it?

Anyway. Now that I've seen the ref-photo... Come on!
You must have seen a lot of things are totally wrong?
Try using those 'guidelines' in photoshop to see which points are on the same height in the picture. I mean, you could've seen the corner of your mouth reaches your eye, how your nose is far bigger, your ear is higher up and ... you wear glasses!

Please spend more time looking at the piece and drawing what you see, not what you think you're seeing. That's absolutely wrong. Print out the reference photo and draw lines on it. Hold up your pencil to measure proportions...
I'm sure you can do a LOT better.

Shatterdome
May 8th, 2006, 10:49 PM
It seems like you tried to make yourself look better or something (smaller nose, no glasses) but then why use a reference ?

I'd say very good attempt at a hard angle if no reference was used...but the point of using reference, especially in a self portrait is to try to "copy" the picture and add your own little flare to it...unless of course you were trying to "remember" what you look like or something....but ya I'd say when doing studies make sure you are doing some measuring and proportion checking....find some landmark in your reference drawing, like the size of your ear, then measure everything out compared to that...like in your reference your ear from top to bottom is roughly the same size as your nose from top to bottom, then an ear and abit more from there to the bottom of your chin....in your painted piece your nose is much shorter then your ear, which then messes up the proportions everywhere else....it just takes one thing...

Overall though, for the things you were working on (textures and colour) then you did a good job, you showed your reds off really well, but I think you went overboard on the greens.....anyways, good stuff...

Manga Sprai
May 9th, 2006, 09:09 AM
thanks guys!
proportions are a thing i have to learn!!
i ll do a lot of sketches to improve them, i know they are the most important thing in this kind of works. i thankyou for your advices :)
thankyou again :)

Killer Napkins
May 9th, 2006, 02:31 PM
ok main thing i see wrogn is the back cheekbone and eye placement it way too far forward .. needs to be pushed back.. and if you were going for likeness to your picture your eyes nose and lips are too small.. but not bad colors .. just keep practicing the main structures.. mainly that back eye area.

Manga Sprai
May 9th, 2006, 04:52 PM
thanks4 the advices :)

bizarre
May 9th, 2006, 05:23 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/Demianmoon/shit/SIGNS_2.jpg

Perhaps this might help people give crits.

Fuish
May 9th, 2006, 08:57 PM
The textures are good, but you are far more attractive than your self portrait portrays. You seem to have a fairly good grasp on drawing, listen to the advice given and you'll grow with leaps and bounds. You also have a good handle on colors, I look forward to seeing more of your work.

SprayNation
May 9th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Draw first/render second. No offense, but it will help alot. Also, if you analyze the general color of your face, it isn't nearly that green. The shadow area's are actually a very neutral red-purple

Kenny_Callicutt
May 10th, 2006, 06:18 PM
the anatomy in the face is completely mush. Its really odd looking at fairly decent form ontop of a bad drawing. You just need to redraw it. and pay attention to the anatomy of your face measure the proportions etc..

Manga Sprai
May 12th, 2006, 01:25 PM
thankyou all! i just messed proportion this time..
colors werent meant to be realistic :)