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White Rose

May 4th, 2006, 12:48 AM

WOW....where to start.. well ive been lurking here for about a year or so....and
i m trying to get back into art...So this is going to be a very toughie challenge...

A couple of months ago... i had a big revelation about myself... when it comes to what i love to do...
Which is drawing of course...and i relaized.. i never had the time to nuture my gift..due to so many stuff i was going through...
and because now i have the time..

I want to make it grow...
but its hard... to figure out where..oh well

I do know what I want to gain..from doing this..and looking through..

1. Understanding perspective...and being able to draw a background
I did get books for this... and the only way for me to get it is drawing it..and figuring out where i went wrong

2. The anatomy..... I think I have the basic idea.. but i got a long long way to go..

3.Drop the fear..of trying to draw "the perfect picture"...there is no bloody such thing as that..

4. get into real media..

5. find myself artistically.. and improve.. and just .. (I dont know.. but i know my spirit will tell me..when it gets there)

i guess creating this.. is the best begining.. for it.. :3

Im inspired by alot of different things... anime (of course), realism, sometimes.. instalaations.. ive seen many coools ones in my life time..
ummm... enviroments...and fashion...

So i guess i'll start posting some images...

i'm going to start from the oldest..to what i have recent....
and thank you.. :3 for anyone who looks through....oh and criticism.. is greatly appreciated....

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/new_sketches/summer_2005.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/new_sketches/summer_2005.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/new_sketches/summer1_2005.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/new_sketches/summer2_2005.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/new_sketches/winter_2006.jpg

i also discovered the loomis books....
... and did a couple of stuff.. but i cant find them

Since then, ive read "how to draw on the right side of the brain.."
it is an amazing book..and i highly recommend it...

Been reading books on perspective...and Loomis books
got so much to learn and practice... ah.. i have a hard time finding where to start...
my most recent.... i was trying to get my blood flowing..since i havent drawn..
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/new_sketches/050306.jpg

i do have a hard time focusing..but when i do something..its a good feeling

Smitherines

May 4th, 2006, 01:01 AM

If art is really what you want to do and is your passion, get some real training...don't go to college. Go to an atelier, check out all the ateliers around the US at artrenewal.org . I have been to two colleges and soon I will be going full time at Watts Atelier, which I am currently attending as well while going to another college. A lot of your work here is looking very up tinight and you seem to still be too concerned with "getting it right." That is probably natural for everyone, it is for me, I used to be very up tight and in a sense still am, and if I am having an off day, I will revert to that state of being up tight. It's good that you are studing the Loomis books, hit up some Bridgeman and Hogarth, study your anatomy like crazy. Right now, don't worry about style, concentrate on technique and understanding the foundations and get a solid grasp of those.

White Rose

May 4th, 2006, 01:06 AM

You are right... that "Im so focused on getting it right"... When one focuses..on being perfect... you really dont produce anything...

the fustrating part.. is when you have something you want to draw.. but you cant because.. your lack of knowledge...

artrenewal looks very intresting.. but im not sure.. i have time..cause i work m to f but.. i'll definately check it out :3

thank you...

but when you talk about concentrating on technique..which i totally agree..

its a newbie..thing.. but how can go a bout that... should i plan it out..

i guess..when you want to create.. vs.. you have to learn... its really a toughie

Smitherines

May 4th, 2006, 01:39 AM

There are a million different techinques and approaches to creativing art. planning is important, and how to plan and how you approach your art....training will give you a better understanding of doing that. Also creating can be learning at the same time....say for instance, you want to draw a character, get out an anatomy book and help you create that character, but just don't blindly copy anatomy, try to study it and understand it and apply it to your character.

Also the more knowledge you aquire, the more creative you will become, you will know how to utilize and apply that knowledge to all sorts of things. Unfortunately today, people don't see learning technique as being creative.

GriNGo

May 4th, 2006, 04:24 AM

White Rose! welcome the forums.... my only suggestion in this quest of yours is to follow your pencil. You just keep drawing everything & at everytime & kick yourself if you don't. & i kinda have to disagree with Mr. Smitherines here on the part which he said that if you want to pursue art, go to an atelier. Personally I think it would be ideal if you went to that sort of institution from the beggining, but college can aslo help you out much, cause they will teach more stuff than just technique.... like history classes & stuff. Personally I study graphics design, cause I love it, but that doesn't mean i can't do my FINE art every now & then! Now another suggestion of mine is telling you to OPEN UP YOUR SENSES! go listen music! read books! go party! go out to world & feel what it can give you! then return & inspire yourself with the pencil.... what i mean is that making art is also much like living life itself! which is a beautiful thing!

greetings!
GriNGoLoCo

White Rose

May 27th, 2006, 07:43 PM

ever since. ive posted some art.. here.. i took up some anatomy lessons....well reading and doing research on certain parts of the anatomy.. that i'm not sure how it functions.. it took me about 3 weeks to understand how shoulder blades work. But yet.. i still have alot of fustration..of drawing the pictures of ideas i have in my head...

and i want to draw them the best i can.. so i'm holdong off..till i get handle on anatomy...(but) what idid.. is that anytime i have an idea..in my head.. i write it down in my art book.. and give a detailed description of how its gonna look like... which i think its a good thing to do.. becausae i can take the time to do research on something i need to get... and get references and etc.

so in the mean time... i'll just draw what ever.. and save the projects.. for when i feel confident in doing something...

so..here we gooo

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-1.jpg
in this picture.. i was tyring to understand porpotions. and now i finally understand..when they say a person is about 8 heads tall.... also.. i pulled out some of my older drawings i had..and i understood why some pictures i drew was off... or why the head looked to big....
it was because my porpotions were off

on the pictures.. below.. i just started drawing anything to see..where i need to correct myself.... cause.. im trying to create an outline.. or a plan.. oh well.. im tired of writing..my thoughts...

any advice would be helpful
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-2.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-3.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-4.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-5.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-6.jpg

taxman

May 27th, 2006, 10:29 PM

Welcome to ca White Rose, quite an interesting read so far, as well as a good start.
I think your resolutions from post #1 are pointing in the right direction, especially that you´re willing to study perspective and what you wrote about dropping the fear of drawing the "perfect picture", something I never really succeeded in.
Also glad you´re thinking about stuff like shoulder blades, something quite complicated and something I never fully understood myself (I´m working on that though).
You´re doing great so far with your heads, focus on the big forms, stuff like the forehead, the shape of the cranium, eyeholes, cheekbones, jaws...
And don´t hesitate to draw what´s in your head, even if it may not come out the way you intended it to.
Keep going...

LukeTores

May 27th, 2006, 11:53 PM

Cool, good start. Way to go, don't give up. You might want to try a a few self-portraits, and try to do some drawings from reference with shading. I'd suggest staying away from anime/manga style and going for realism at this stage. Most professional Japanese artists in that style have a strong foundation in realism, and all styles are based off of realism. So far, it seems you've been aiming for realism, but I give this advice just in case. Good luck! You can PM me if you're driven nuts by artistic frustration. Dunno if I can help, but I can sympathize.

White Rose

May 31st, 2006, 09:28 PM

hmm.. im kinda tired ...

but i used a picture reference... to draw out the skulll

to understand the structure...i think the picture i used is a great shading exercise though... im not done with the... picture... but im surprised.. it took me about maybe 2 hours sooo far... and i didnt even erase...

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/053106/skull.jpg

http://www.mangaware.net/images/art/Drawing%20in%20the%20high%20art%20school%201957%20 08.jpg this is the reference i used

Reckless

June 2nd, 2006, 09:01 PM

Hey, good stuff. Do a lot of really loose gestures, they'll help you to loosen up. Also, keep at the Loomis! I like your clean lines -- I have a hard time getting those -- but doing gestures will help you get a better "flow." :)

White Rose

June 6th, 2006, 12:48 AM

stuff during the first week of june....
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106_2.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106_3.jpg

time to catch up...
so yeah ive been using the loomis book with my studies..and @_@
got a couple of new books..which i'll be using tooo...but i guess i'lll paste what i have for now
moving on...moving on...
some stuff today...
I think im about 4 pages away..till i start learning about the bones and muscles.... but i think im gonna open up hogarth's book anatomy of the head...cause im itching to do some actualy drawings..and i wanna get a head start....oh yeah

Im also doing the skull painting over but this is what i have so far from last time

im doing this over.... and im surprised to say..there alot of things i didnt see before..that i am seeing now..
here are some stuff for today

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/skull2.jpg

i decided to do this one over..... i'll post it when im done...

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060506/Untitled-3.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060506/Untitled-4.jpg

White Rose

June 7th, 2006, 08:07 PM

studies with hogarth..yesterday and today

soooo...yesterday..i decided to do some head studies with hogarth
and everything was fine.. until.. i got stuck with this

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/help.jpg I look at this picture..and i think to myself. HOW THE HELL IM GOING TO EXCUTE THAT!

soooo.for the next 4 hours. i tried to figure out how to do it

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606.jpg
No,thats not it.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606_1.jpg
i got fustrated and decided to work on another head... on the right head side.. the head on the lower right i never drew heads in that direction before..
WOW! now i learned something new

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606_2.jpg

okay..back to figuring out 4/5 or 2/4 view downward head..
i got fustrated.went to cgtalk.and llyana and mat gave some extra advice.. then all of a sudden. i took out a pencil. drew in the hogarth book broke down the face to simple shapes i can understand then all of a sudden it clicked

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606_3.jpg

Something for today

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060706_1.jpg

LukeTores

June 7th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Nice. It's strange to see copied Hogarth heads after I've just been copying them myself. I wonder how many people have drawn them, lol. A good book, isn't it? Although, it is tedious to copy at times. Good work!

I see you're practicing perspective, too. If you want to learn it through and through, I recommend 'Perspective for Artists' by Cole. It's cheap, relatively short, and teaches you everything you need to know. If you get confused by the words, copy the pictures and re-read.

EDIT: Wow, I think this is my 100th post. Erk- I should be doing more drawing less posting!!

White Rose

June 7th, 2006, 08:40 PM

yeah..surprsingly..it really is... :3
i learned alot of new things.. i never knew before......
and things i neevr drew before...cause i never took the time..to apply myself ^_^ but i'll totally take a good look

and that book.. is it by..Rex Vicat Cole ?

taxman

June 7th, 2006, 08:44 PM

We´ve been workin´ on the same things today, you´ve done a good job. You seem to be a fast learner... :)

White Rose

June 7th, 2006, 08:48 PM

hahahaha :)
thank you ^_^ ......i still have alot to learn though.. even though i draw.. there is new information im learning...
but..i really want to do some original work.. but.. i must learn the correct way of doing things. instead..of repeating the same mistakes.. :3 you know what im saying :3

i hope i get to see some new stuff from you today

bmumble

June 7th, 2006, 11:03 PM

there's some good stuff here! I'm like you... I'm rediscovering my passion for art and drawing... but.. haha, i'm finding that i have even less time now than I did before.. :( takes me forever just to do one drawing.... (unless they're cartoons...)

keep up the efforts, and i'm sure you'll go a long way ;)

kaos_x

June 8th, 2006, 07:13 PM

White Rose

June 8th, 2006, 07:54 PM

Hey white rose thanks for visiting my sketchbook ! ! i like your studies, you have some nice sketches ! ! I want to do studies on muscles, the head and body, gesture, a lot of things really. I'll probably just a bit of everything at once :cheerleader:

well....since you know.the path you want to take... just take it a little bit at a time :3
good luck on your journey

Cup of Joe

June 10th, 2006, 11:50 PM

Thanks for stopping by my SB man! Keep doing what you've been doing. Remember proportions. Knowing every mucle is useless without knowing where to put it. Try to draw more from life. If your sketchbook is too big, or even if you get a chance, get a Moleskine (spelling?). Those things are perfect. Smooth, quality paper, and friggen indistructable. Mine got ran over by 3 cars, looks like new.

Also, try to stop petting your lines. It's a reeeaally hard habit to break, I still do it, but stopping is worth it. You asked about perspective, most of the stuff I got was either online or from my library. There are some great tutorials linked to in these forums.

Keep it up, every new thing you learn helps you learn something else in the future. Sorry if I rambled on a little, good start. Keep at it!

White Rose

June 11th, 2006, 12:01 AM

LukeTores

June 11th, 2006, 01:26 PM

I think "petting your lines" means drawing the same line over a few times, so it looks 'sketchy' and fuzzy. I do this too, gotta stop, it's bad.
What we're supposed to do is just drop a line and leave it, or draw 'sketchy' lightly and then draw a single bold, dark line over it.

White Rose

June 14th, 2006, 12:14 AM

i have been slacking for a bit during the weekend.. ^^;; since playing rf-online..over the weekend.. *sighs* its hard blancing work..drawing.. and..some r&r
oh well here it goes
its not much..

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061306_1.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061306_2.jpg

Cup of Joe

June 14th, 2006, 12:36 AM

White Rose

June 14th, 2006, 12:54 AM

i think you could really benifit from doing some stuff for the New Artist Seeking Help thread- Here- http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64711

It's a great thread (that needs to be revived). Good job on starting to understand simple shapes. Keep at it!

im kinda not sure..what to do with that thread....
sorry...maybe its the ignorance/arrogance talking... :|

*i'll read it through it.. again

but how does it pertain to me?

RNS

June 14th, 2006, 12:57 AM

I think its a Wonderful beginning. I can already see the improvements that your life studies and gestures have produced. Don't be afraid to loosen up and let go! I will keep visiting back. Best of luck to you as you continue to study!

White Rose

June 14th, 2006, 01:14 AM

Cup of Joe

June 14th, 2006, 09:45 PM

im kinda not sure..what to do with that thread....

Just follow the exercises. You can do them at any time in any order. The point is to practice skills such as value and form that sometimes get forgotten.

You don't have to go if you don't think it will help, but it definately helped me think more about light and using line as a representation of a 3D form.

White Rose

June 14th, 2006, 10:57 PM

Just follow the exercises. You can do them at any time in any order. The point is to practice skills such as value and form that sometimes get forgotten.

You don't have to go if you don't think it will help, but it definately helped me think more about light and using line as a representation of a 3D form.

k... :3 i'll heed ur advice..thank you :)

White Rose

June 15th, 2006, 11:37 PM

Wow..its been over a month..and i'm still going at it..HEHEHEHE DONT FAIL ME KNOW :3

well.. ive been working with drawing heads..everyday.. i go over the same lessons..and pick up the same things i didnt notice before... :) which is a very funny experience..

so.. i decided to try to do a couple of more..and do something original..which i am going to take my time..and break everything down..till i understand it

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061506_1.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061506_2.jpg

I also noticed going through the other pictures.. im begining to understand the head a little bit more better..

The hardest part.. is understanding the structure of the eyes.. Hogarth stylizes (over exagerates to give the viewer..a clear understanding of how the eyes look like... EYES ARE NEVER FLAT.. the jut (is that a word) out a bit
drawing eyes.. front view.. i can do that..but when the head is turned in a different direction... ......well miss rose is headed to trouble...
*thinks*
soo..i asked around.. and Miss Rebecca told me..visualize a pea in a pod.. the pea is the eye the pod.. is like the skin. And visualize it at different angles.
thats what the eye looks like. *LIGHTBULB*

so i cant finish the picture till. i have a good idea.. on the eyes. I still cant visually understand it. But any advice is greatly appreciated.

Also one of my other pictures. with a girl in 1/2 view I need to get that picture. drawn over . So i can see the errors. what is the correct term for that.

other than that :) i hope everyone is doing well :)

White Rose

June 17th, 2006, 08:25 PM

well..after going through the pages in the hogarth book.. "drawing the human head" i tried to draw some heads from memory and this is how it turned out

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061706_1.jpg

i do not know why.. but out of all the heads i drew.. im soooo proud of this one...

so i tried to do it again but in a different angle

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061706_2.jpg

top one.. not to bad.... bottom one ..... > > back ot the drawing board...

as much..as bald people entertain me.. i still have yet to figure out the hair thing.. :3

but please..critique the heads :3 thankie

Nostradamus

June 17th, 2006, 09:17 PM

Cool stuff, I'd suggest that your body studies that you study the loomis skeleton some more it's very nice - your heads are coming along nicely also! :)

White Rose

June 17th, 2006, 10:03 PM

thank you.. i do plan to go back to loomis till i finish the hogarth book,,
its so hard to balance..all the things u want to learn...any tips

Cup of Joe

June 17th, 2006, 10:15 PM

Good job on those heads! I agree that you should squeeze a little Loomis in there. Also try to keep little practice pieces from imagination in there so you stay in practice.
As for balence, I can't help you there. Just whenever you think you need some help on something, study it. Stuff from imagination will help you figure out what you should study more. Doing stuff from life also helps you assess your strenghths and weaknesses in my opinion.

I do have one crit, on your heads, you made the chin a little thick. HEREhttp://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2932/picture29un.png is a quick paintover.
Good job, Keep it up!

White Rose

June 17th, 2006, 11:01 PM

thank you for the paint over.. yeah.. i either make chins to long or to wide..its hard to do it right :3

but yeah.. i'll try going back to loomis.. :3 im up to the muscle and bones chapter :3

White Rose

June 18th, 2006, 10:04 PM

so i tried to some another original... its not complete..i do plan to finish this one.. but i'll post it up anyway..

-_-;;; i have to go over the errors i see...

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061806_1.jpg

i also.. thought of a couple of things...
i need to plan out how i work on a picture... dont like getting lost in thought..ya know

madplanet

June 18th, 2006, 10:33 PM

Nice improvements from your first posts, especially on those last few head studies. It looks like Hogarth had an inspiring effect, eh? He has a pretty good hand study book, as well, but I've always thought that the way he drew his finger tips was kind of strange. But back to your head studies...on the ones that you said you were proud of, I found that I liked the second head the best. There's an interesting expression going on and that's pretty good considering that it's a line drawing.

Ryn

June 18th, 2006, 11:01 PM

Here's some valuable stuff I learned at the workshop from Jason Manley and SirGreenSock. Given your first post, it seems like it would help.

First off, stop caring so much about making mistakes, or making 'a good picture'. Ask yourself, what does it matter if your drawing sucks? It doesn't. Experiment with everything, and tackle stuff outside your comfort zone - just because nobody gives a shit if you screw up. Hell, nobody even has to know. So go nuts.

Second, life studies are important, yes. But are you having fun with it? If you feel you need to do studies to get better, but don't have fun with them, you'll feel less compelled to draw. And by proxy, you WILL draw less. So do what you enjoy, not what you feel you 'need' to do.

If you don't have fun with art, what's the point?

White Rose

June 19th, 2006, 12:28 AM

madplanet - at first i hated hogarths style, but as soon as i sat down with the book and looked through it..and looked at his other works. ive grown to like him.
I guess what led me astray, was the exageration of his lines.. But then later on understanding the purpose of it

ryn: I totally wished i was at the workshop, from what i heard from it. alot of people learned alot of good lessons from it. Hmm, from my first post.. my attitutde about certain things has changed. Its was a mindset... that was very draining. I enjoy drawing again, mostly in the aspect of learning new things.
hmm u give me something to think about. thank you Ryn

afgal

June 19th, 2006, 12:52 AM

I don't really like hogarth's style I find that he stretches his figures so far it stops making sense to me. But then I like Bridgman and most people don't. Keep up the anatomy studies they work wonders.

Kitsu

June 23rd, 2006, 01:02 PM

Nice stuff in here, and great progress! Your lines are still way too tight though. Try this - Concentrate on drawing very lightly (lead barely touching the paper) and keep your lines big and round. Try to draw with more of your arm (shoulder and elbow rather than wrist), and try not to take the pencil from the paper. Doing this you should end up with a lot of light lines around the thing your trying to draw, now try to pick out the lines closest to what you actually want and draw them in with darker/bolder lines (you may need to jump across some lines to find what you want). The goal is to draw more scribbly and give your self more choices. It also lets more chance/life into your proccess - you may find things you wouldn't have thought of otherwise. (It looks like you where already heading this way in your last image :wink: )

BTW I've seen your posts in Cup-of-Joe's thread and you seem like a pretty nice person. Me and him are trying to get together an informal Sketchbook Support Group (SSG) of people at a similar level to help each other out and encourage each other to draw/post more often. If your interested you can probably just drop by Joe's thread and say something.

Keep tackling those heads, the more you look the more there is to see!

Virg

June 23rd, 2006, 02:21 PM

hello White Rose,
first of all you seem to be motivated, thats the most important thing and i think you already understand that :) never give up, even if you think that you dont progress, know that with each drawings you improve. Its a good thing that you study those books, your loomis stuff is coming along very well, keep doing and re-doing those studies, get those heads measurement proportions in your head so that later you will see them even before you start putting the lines on your blank sheet of paper. However, dont let those books control what you draw... dont let your mind focus too much on getting the perfect construction otherwise you will never be satisfied with what you do.. i know it may sound crazy and at the opposite of what many may say but do some experiment that comes from personal observations, analyse what you see and when you discover things while you draw, write them down. I strongly suggest you to do some drawings using pens , and simple lines, without too complexe constructions... just try to grab the shapes, silhouettes, contours, and of course draw from life. FOCUS on what you draw and always ask your brain thousands of questions before you make your lines; whats the angle of this limb , what kind of pose do i want to do, whats the mood of my character, is he fat, skinny. See each line on your paper before you draw them, get control of your drawings, dont let your drawing or construction impose you anything, you are the artist. So thats it, i know its a strange reply lol and maybe full of spelling mistakes ( i speak french mostly ) but i think its a good thing to know, i can say it helped me alot when i was struggling with the same books. So thats it, keep it up :)

White Rose

June 23rd, 2006, 02:28 PM

Wow..
you just made my day..:3 and since cause im at work.. i had to skim through..to get the gist of it..
movement of the arm.. (oooh thats gonna be a toughie) *reads through the instructions again

:3 but yeah.. im totally intrested in the SSG.. thingie.. i got to keep my art chi pumping

and ive been a bit naughty...i havent been sketching..cause ive been reading .... "the artist way"
so when i get home.. i'll look through..again...

sooo :) thank you for looking out *gives you a white rose*

i hope this make sense :3

White Rose

June 23rd, 2006, 02:38 PM

Andy P

June 24th, 2006, 03:46 PM

Hey there, can tell you're workin hard at gettin the head down pat. Very diligent.
I'm usually a big contour line lover, so I think what you're doin is a great way to learn, but I think you should start trying to render these, too. Rendering will help imensely in understanding the structure. Try and start "sculpting" these heads with the pencil, your line work will only benefit.
Keep at it!

Kitsu

June 26th, 2006, 04:15 PM

Okay, let's see some sketches! Here, I'll make you a deal - you post some of the crap sketches you don't want to and I'll do the same, then we can laugh at each other :wink:

BTW: I've got something roughed out for the SSG sig, check out Joe's thread

danica

June 26th, 2006, 05:34 PM

White Rose

June 26th, 2006, 05:37 PM

Great start White Rose ! Trust me, the human anatomy is something that takes years to master...I'm sure you all agree, it takes lots and lots of practice, in witch case you proberbly already know :) The little notes you put with you're drawings is an exellent idea, as I can see you know what are you're areas you have to work on are, that's good. The best thing for you, I would say, is definately get you're self involved into a life drawing class, it helps big time :) Keep up the great work, and thanks alot for the comments you wrote on my life drawings

thanks for posting in my thread :3
as for life drawing classes.. yeah i need to get myself into one..
and living in ny...
i have no excuse..
well..kinda sorta.. working 9-6 m thru friday...
oh well..gonna search..and i hope.. i find one before june is through

White Rose

June 26th, 2006, 11:30 PM

well.. this past weekenend.. a friend of mine.. saw my thread.... and he said to me..that my stuff was unstructured.. He mostly expressed that..akk of my stuff..well..anything involving anatomy is very stiff... And sadly.. its soooo very true.. alot of my artwork that ive done..is very stiff and lacks motion.. and no matter how much..anatomy i learn... i'll have this "stiffness" in the drawings.. he recommended me.. "some drawing comic book superheros" the one by stan lee and john buscama..a chapter that talked about the action line..and the next chapter...

so...i took a hold.. of learning how to draw anything else.. i need to shake this stiffness out of me.. its funny..when i draw..anything.. i feel stiff..i cant shake it out of me.. they say..when you draw something in movment.. u can
"feel" the movement

anywho..this is what i was working on over the weekend..
a couple of gestures

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062406.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062406_1.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/0625406.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062506_1.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062506_2.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062506_3.jpg

I totally neeed help lossening up ;-;

Newbs

June 27th, 2006, 12:31 AM

you are on the right track!! keep working, keep posting. get a timer and do quick ones to loosen up. good work!

mentler

June 27th, 2006, 08:27 AM

The head in all positions is everything else in all positions as well it is all about conceiving form in space <> once that happens you can draw anything

White Rose

June 27th, 2006, 10:04 AM

The head in all positions is everything else in all positions as well it is all about conceiving form in space <> once that happens you can draw anything

:3 .....thank you for your wonderful advice...
but i somewhat dont understand it... could u please elaborate..
*thinks*
are u saying..if i can draw the head in different positions.. then i have the ability to draw the other parts in other positions as well

*thinks*

i remebered before i even started with the whole gestures.. found a link to a part that you talked about.. how its best not to start with with the head..and that you start with the torso...cause you can easily see where everything falls in place. the head and the waist is like a pivot for the torso...

^^;; hmm i hope that made sense

Kitsu

June 27th, 2006, 01:09 PM

One thing I've found helps for the fluidity of my figures is to take out the joints - just draw big long arcs. Draw an arc (actually a spline if you know what that is) from the tip of the fingers on one hand to the tip of the other (through the arms and shoulders). Do the same for the spine and the legs. Think about how cartoonists bend limbs to show movement. Breaking at every joint is for insects and robots ;)

Of course even though this makes my sketches lively I still usually kill them when I start nailing down the details. I think that is where the "comic book superhero" books would help. Also drawing figure from life and doing quick guestures of people you see around should help?

Actually though these arn't all that stiff. Also the proportions look good so far (which is usually a tricky part). Mainly I'd like to see you loosen up a bit, and take these a bit farther - put some masses on these bones. If you wanted I could do some over-drawings on some of your sketches to point out what looks odd to me?

White Rose

June 27th, 2006, 01:59 PM

mentler

June 27th, 2006, 02:07 PM

Actually what I am saying is that forget what it is and think of whatever you are drawing as the illusion of form in space <> saw you dropped by my thread

White Rose

June 27th, 2006, 07:37 PM

did these two on the bus after thinking about kitsu's advice.

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062706_1.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062706_2.jpg

BlackGuy

June 27th, 2006, 08:29 PM

I'm loving your dedication man. I don't really have much to say that hasn't been said, but just keep up the anatomy studying and don't forget to draw from your imagination every once in a while!

Cup of Joe

June 28th, 2006, 07:33 AM

Hey White Rose! Good job loosening up those lines! Try and clean them up a little though. Like BlackGuy said, draw from imagination too. Maybe do some full figure drawings?
Keep it up!

Stark

June 28th, 2006, 09:24 AM

Thanks for the advice in my sketchbook! I see we're using the same heads of Hogarth..the bastard! I got caught up some also on the shading of the heads but I just decided to do it. You can only learn from mistakes and you're doing excellent so far.

Take your own advice sometimes, it helps more than others.

Kitsu

June 28th, 2006, 12:08 PM

Yeah, they seem a lot more flowing now. The main thing I noticed while doing some overs was your arms and mid-sections are a bit long. A number of these are really neat poses, but I had a hard time fleshing them out? Shows how much work I have left to do :)

Edit: I forgot I was going to drop a link to this solid figure basics (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60753) :)

Ashrumm

June 28th, 2006, 02:28 PM

The good thing i see here is there is alot less stiffness in your work, you are beginnning to pick up rythm which is good keep doing those quick gestures they will help plenty and really take Mentlers advice the man obviously knows what he is talking about. Keep working hard, stay the course, cheers :wink:

Congrats you are now officially on your second page!!

White Rose

June 28th, 2006, 03:29 PM

*huggles* THANK THANK THANK YOU :3

Im not out of the woods.. yet... even though i figured out by doing gestures. i got to try and make it fluid, when i build them out..

well.. i had alot of help.... from cup of joe, kitsu, my bf,Z
i always knew..my work was stiff.... and this week..i decided to find every possible way... to get rid of it...
and well..Mentler struck the match...on what i was doing wrong..and Kitsu showed me the way.. :3 when he told me.. to think of the lines as spines..
It clicked all of a sudden :3

i will be doing some more...and forever....

Kitsu

June 28th, 2006, 06:40 PM

I'm studying up in Mentler's threads and ran across this post:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=653402&postcount=520
The third and fifth pages are IMO about opimal for this kind of drawing :yayca:

Kitsu

June 30th, 2006, 11:56 AM

Hey! whats up? Scanner broke? Computer down? I really want to see where you're going, you were so making progress!

taxman

June 30th, 2006, 07:48 PM

I second what Newbs said, you´re on the right track. When drawing on the bus, take the opportunity to make some observations: for example, you could try to draw the Loomis mannequins according to the people sitting there. Take a look at how they sit, how they stand, how the legs support the mass of the torso. How do their emotions affect their poses? Which way do they hold their arms when they´re tired? Does a sad person sit differently than a happy person? What´s the pose of a man talking to a beautiful women? You could also try to do some quick portraits. Good luck. :)

White Rose

June 30th, 2006, 10:32 PM

taxman: O_O wow i didnt expect on this to happen -- my post was like alllllll the way down there in the pages...

Kitsu you wont be to happy with me. my dedication..drive..soemthings something is like kaput.. i have the hogarth book on me..and i havent been touching it... i did a little something something.. but nothing productive

hmm maybe its work...but yet.. from time to time.. i cant sit and focus..hesitation ..fear..sometimes i think that i just cant do it..
i dunno..i'll scan something i did

White Rose

June 30th, 2006, 10:43 PM

shitty update...
first let me post.. i did this.. playing soul calibur 3... chonicles of the sword..trying to fight the last boss ;-; i cant fucking do it.. i hate his damn soul edge.. ;-; I NEED A CHEAT CODE DAMN IT..
...anywhoo..here we go
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062906_1.jpg

thats how i feel at my job...fixing webpages and coding is draining sometimes.. i wanted to create a picture.. so i created a thumb nail...so far..of what i see.. in my head.. i kinda want to push the view of it more....

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062906_2.jpg

for the past week or so... ive been carying hogarths.. how to draw dynamics hands.. been reading thru.. but havent done anythning.. been reading up on art& fear. (not finished yet)

:( i dont know where my motivation is.. but it is replaced by fear...3/4 of laziness... and i dont know what to do
*bangs her head ... i cant sit down and do it...
maybe im in my dryspell.. and i had that. i had that for like..years..
help me... im thinking to much again....

Cup of Joe

June 30th, 2006, 11:08 PM

I'll refer you to Dirty-C's first rule- Your not here to make pretty pictures. Don't worry about making a masterpiece, just draw, even if it sucks, it doesn't matter, draw anyway.
Nice gestures! Your loosening up a little. I might do a paintover for practice if you don't mind.
Just keep drawing whenever you can. Don't stop now!

That fat kid

July 1st, 2006, 12:22 AM

hey rose, you're studies are looking good so far, and I think they'd improve dramatically if you'd study from life as opposed to books. All the answers are found in life, not in books. In books, the authors tell you their interpretations of life and how to draw life, I'm convinced that the answers are far easier to understand and intepret for yourself, but I can dig how having the input helps. Its just my opinion, but I would honestly love to see more drawn from life.

~A

Dile_

July 2nd, 2006, 11:22 AM

Nice gestures man!
I think Tfk has right, you should draw alot more from life!
howeverm nice sketchbook! :)

Dile_

July 2nd, 2006, 11:22 AM

Nice gestures man!
I think Tfk has right, you should draw alot more from life!
however nice sketchbook! :)

RobertMac

July 5th, 2006, 04:45 PM

Kitsu

July 5th, 2006, 05:14 PM

You change a lot with each post, but you don't post nearly enough :D
I hope you are drawing more than you are posting. Go crazy! Don't worry about wasting paper, actually try to waste more paper :} This is advice I need to take as well. The more pieces of paper you kill - the more experiance you get!

White Rose

July 6th, 2006, 07:54 AM

:3
well.. i do have alot to say.. but i'll edit this when i get to work
for the past week or so.. i wasnt able to draw..i guess i was tired... but also i was feeding alot of mind.. but also something happened

which..changed my whole belief.. it felt like..when you thought for along the world was flat..and then you found out the world was round..
^^;; well everything i knew.. and thought of went out the window..and it was tough..
but i did this last night :3
and fell asleep.. here we goooo :3
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070506.jpg

i need to draw hair :3 on these heads *laughs

Kicek

July 6th, 2006, 11:49 AM

Hey white Rose.. this last post looks nice. i suggest doing a lot more of the studies, cause like Kitsu said u should post more work here... and do some lifedrawings buddy, it´ll help a ton. at least it helps me a ton. those gestures look good btw, do some more! cheers
Chris

Kitsu

July 6th, 2006, 01:21 PM

Eyes look at little large and the top/back of the head looks a little low. Otherwise all the proportions look good! Good to see you still moving too. Just choose to fight that fatigue and apathy - Don't always live for tomorrow, live your life today http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/images/fuzzybrow_smiley.gif

White Rose

July 6th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Kicek: thank you, right now im still looking for life drawing classes. But because i work into 9am -6pm monday thru friday. doesnt leave alot of room.
i wonder if its okay, to use photos.. just for a little while *thinks*
and for the grestures. yeah i plan to do some more.

Kitsu :3
yeah..i agree so too.. on the eyes and head.. i wonder if there is a height measurement on how high the eyes should be. I always have a hard time with that.. im going to correct the errors when i get back home. oh and about the apathy and fatigue, i dont know how to describe it. but its just that i couldnt do it. but ive been doing alot of reading.. I read "Art & Fear" not finished yet.. but its a good book

RobertMac

July 6th, 2006, 02:13 PM

WR, I hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but on a lark I took your face drawing and played with the proportions in Photoshop to see how it would look.

http://www.mcallister-clan.com/art/whiteroseface.jpg

I know what you mean about apathy and fatigue. I really tried last night to sit down and try some of Kitsu's suggestions. But my day was so stressful and emotion-filled I couldn't concentrate on drawing and everything looked like shit.

White Rose

July 6th, 2006, 05:48 PM

Loveless

July 6th, 2006, 06:21 PM

I have the exact same mistakes White Rose has or had. I am inpacient and always want to get it right. Whate rose your anatomy practice looks really good. Keep it up because I know I will. =)

White Rose

July 6th, 2006, 11:30 PM

Im going to try veryhard..not to think and just do it... i feel like i hold myself back to much.. WHY WHY WHY!!!
*thinks*

it was kinda tough.. im going to work on it so more..
i dont even know if i should make it female or male..
^^;;
and if i make it male..
got to get a reference of a hairline
^^;;
and for female.. got to figure out to go about the hair..
*thinks*
here it goes
i am a bit stuck on the anatomy.. hmm *thinks* i want to figure it out.. but i guess i need to find reference...
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070606.jpg

but i do like how im drawing faces... but i feel like its missing something..besides hair and color

Kitsu

July 7th, 2006, 01:10 PM

I hate fatigue! Every day I get home after 8hrs or more at work and I am exhausted. I usually don't do much of anything for nearly an hour when I get home - and I hate every minute of it!! The only things that stops you from drawing when you are fatiued are lack of motivation and fear of doing badly, it's not like your so tired you can't lift your arms so... Get over it! >:{
Doing poor drawings helps as much as doing amazing drawings, and besides you don't know what you'll come up with unless you try! I am always filled with fear and doubt, but I don't care anymore - hard work will erase all of that http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/images/fuzzybrow_smiley.gif

On the new head - The features are all well placed and look dimensional. Eyes are again a little large, but it looks odd not wrong. You might want to do some studies of the eye/nose-bridge area to tighten them up. Just get some photos and draw a strip of face from one eye over to the other. Concentrate on proportion and form - really see how that region is put together.

Good increase in updates, I'm looking forward to seeing what you post by Monday!

Ashrumm

July 7th, 2006, 02:04 PM

I see you're working on portraits now but if were to suggest one thing is adding value to your faces, keep it up.

darkchild

July 7th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Hey thought I'd come by and check out your work. I see a lot of great studies going on here. Your line work is improving. Your faces and heads are looking good. I would go with ashrumm's suggestion and place a bit of value to your sketches. Sometimes it's the subtle darks that bring out the sketch immensely. Experiment with different lighting. Most of your line work can be replaced by value alone. Let the viewers eyes and mind interpret the image. I'm currently working on making my faces look better as well maybe we can compare notes:) Later!

Cup of Joe

July 8th, 2006, 12:04 AM

Updates!
Those protraits are looking good! As for facial proportions, Loomis has some great sections on it, and his stuff is free too!
Some value study may help you understand line better, as line is affected by and a representation of value. Also, as for what RobertMac did, Look at the length of the nose in the new one and the original.
Keep it up!

White Rose

July 8th, 2006, 11:42 PM

i dont know why i enjoy drawing faces so much..
im working on figure anatomy..
now.. but i plan to put more work on that
less talk.. more art :3http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070806_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070806_2.jpg

i should really start and try to draw the hair..

Cup of Joe

July 9th, 2006, 10:38 AM

Hey White Rose! Glad to see you updateing more.
That first head has the shape spot on! But for some reason the features seem off. Not sure how though. The torsos look great too, just watch how thin you make the waist.
Keep it up!

Strangertome

July 9th, 2006, 11:49 AM

Much improvement in your works, but just to let you know, attaching the head to the body with the neck is a whole other toughie to master, i would recommend always using the neck in your head studies, just lightly drawn, and try using more dynamic head positions like slight tilts or making it stretch the neck.
I hope you don't mind this.
When you're drawing tilted heads, remember to follow the general curve idea of the face, i saw that your mouths seem to have trouble with it, so draw the mouthline then the lips around it. Generally your nose and eyes are fine with this
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/5428/sketchhelp6qi.jpg

GL peaceout

*Kim-L*

July 9th, 2006, 12:25 PM

Hey girl! I'm here! :D Lovely to see your art at last! ... Hehehe, when I first started out, I also got that Burne Hogarth book drawing figures. I gotta admit I learnt more from life than I ever did from books, so I second everyone who's suggested practice from life drawing.

Keep up the good work! It's always great to see a fellow artist grow and improve. :)

White Rose

July 9th, 2006, 06:58 PM

Strangertome wow.. you know i didnt realize about that. about the lips. Its a small yet very bad error to make it. the funny thing i had a feeling something was off.. but i wasnt sure what it was. but i'll defintelly will be taking your advice. thank you :3

Kim-L hehehe.. thank you :3 for stoping by.. going back to what ive always loved is so hard.. but fun... following your path ^^;; would it be stupid to say that this is very spirtual for me. About figure drawing classes. I would love to take figure drawing classes but the problem is my work schedule. Iam doing research on finding a place.which i did. but i can only take it once a week.. :| and i gotta pay for it too
*sighs* but im trying my best . the only figure drawing i can do is watching people in the street..in the subways buses and etc. its surprising in new york.. you would think you can find classes.. but i found once place.. the student art league. just one class a week..i wonder would that be enough.
*thinks* but they offer the class but i would be comming in very late : / since i dont have a car
feh

Kicek

July 9th, 2006, 08:01 PM

Yo white rose.. me again. when i told u to do some lifedrawing i didnt ment just drawing a nude model but, as u said in the previous post, drawing nearly anything from life... like people in the streets + when doing so i suggest using a pen instead of a pencil. the upper head from ur last post is way too big and the ear doesnt align with the bottom of the nose. i did a fast paintover to show what i mean. its very sloppy but i hope u get the point. also watch the roundness of the upper lid. hope it helps a bit.
cheers chris

White Rose

July 9th, 2006, 08:08 PM

Kitsu

July 10th, 2006, 01:28 PM

The top torso looks very good, especially the neck! The main problem I see is that the image to reply ratio is all out of wack, can't wait to see your next post!

Listing

July 11th, 2006, 01:51 AM

Some good head studies. You should render more. Where are these heads from?

White Rose

July 11th, 2006, 09:41 AM

Some good head studies. You should render more. Where are these heads from?
working on the rendering :3
umm... most of the heads mostly the ones that are structured. I used drawing the human head from hogarth. the rest was from my imagination. applying from what I allready learned. so the recent pictures that you see..thats just all me :3 . but from to time if i have a hard time remebering a specific part i get a refrence or look at my anatomy books

Kitsu

July 11th, 2006, 01:22 PM

Hmmm... Maybe you should make a personal rule not to post in your SB without including a sketch :P

I couldn't see the head the other day when I posted. The cranium is extreemly large though. Head shape is actually really subtle, how the face hangs on the front, the length of the cranium, how it is crested/pointed. It's nice that you put the neck on too, floating heads can cause you problems later when you try to put them on bodies.

Cup of Joe

July 11th, 2006, 08:14 PM

Hmmm... Maybe you should make a personal rule not to post in your SB without including a sketch :P

Seconded. I follow it myself in my thread.

White Rose

July 12th, 2006, 08:53 PM

well... you know.. when im at work coding..when im trying to figure out something (coding wise) i have habit grabbing a stickie(mini notepads) and sketch out little things. i didnt think much of it. but i decide to grab maybe one or to that i did and post them. im surprised on how well.. it scanned through. pardon for the messy lines.
hehehe...if i keep drawing on stickies at work..i'll be in trouble :3
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_2.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_3.jpg

i was trying to remeber what i studied about the neck and shoulders...
going to post more later on

darkchild

July 12th, 2006, 09:11 PM

Thats a pretty good idea. When I'm out at a restaurant without my sketchbook, I usually draw on a napkin. I sometimes find that my spontaneous doodles look better than my premeditated ones.

White Rose

July 12th, 2006, 10:57 PM

some other stuff... i did..today..
^^;; before heading off to bed
did the stuff in pen....
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_4.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_5.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_6.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_7.jpg

Kitsu

July 13th, 2006, 01:02 PM

Great work! See I knew you were drawing more than you were showing :confident About the drawing at work thing - I do the same thing. Where I work though we have some plane paper scratch pads about half the size of a regular sheet of paper. Gives you some extra room to work. You just need to find time to do this stuff or it will never get done!

These are all pretty good for at work stuff, I'll try to mark some up tonight. Remember to make time to do some drawing from life/photo ref too. You've got to keep a balance between practicing how you think about things in your head, and how you observe them to really be.

White Rose

July 15th, 2006, 12:40 AM

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071406_1.jpg

had really bad anxiety today...but did this just too cool my head down..it worked... any critiques would be cool..thank god its the weekend.. i get to draw lots and lots :3

but i realized i got to work on planes of the face..im not sure where to place the shadows on the face..

Cup of Joe

July 15th, 2006, 10:19 AM

That last head is great! The only problem I see is that the nose and mouth are on the wrong plane. Also, remember thst your drawing form, not lines. Sometimes yor stuff get's a little flat, so it helps to keep that in mind.
Keep it up!

White Rose

July 15th, 2006, 02:17 PM

i somewhat dont understand.. how its in the wrong plane :|
maybe i should post it in the critique section to get more input :|
thanks Joe

Gbertek

July 15th, 2006, 03:03 PM

they very well could of started in the right place but the proportion of the features mouth nose and eyes compared to the size of the head is wrong. too big**

White Rose

July 15th, 2006, 03:07 PM

they very well could of started in the right place but the proportion of the features mouth nose and eyes compared to the size of the head is wrong. too big**

yeah i relaized that.. ..today :| (and its a constant repeated mistake)

in my eyes..i think it looks okay.. but with a dash.. something is off

im not sure on how i can estimate when.. im making the features to big. is there a porportion measurement..that can tell you when your making features to big

Gbertek

July 15th, 2006, 03:29 PM

the mirror is your friend

White Rose

July 17th, 2006, 01:07 AM

Im trying to push myself a bit more.. talking with sinix *waves* he stated my sb had no personality.mostly because.. my sketches are what im learning.. trying to define.. *sighs* this is soooooooo hard...

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071606_1.jpg

-_-;; i like this one her style..hehehee. i want ot create a picture around her.. but i dont know where to start...

any tips and critiques would be totally sweet :3

Smitherines

July 17th, 2006, 01:19 AM

White Rose

July 17th, 2006, 01:29 AM

Try studying the artists you love too. Studying them will help guide you in the direction you take your personal art.

Also, with your last post, I see that you started your character out with a simple skeleton, problem is that you didnt follow those guides when you went to flush out your character. For example, the center line should swoop down to the center of the crotch, not into the leg. There are also anatomy issues. When you create these characters, you should be referencing anatomy and other artist's that you admire, from beginning to end.

*nods*.. i have to many artists.. i like... but dont remeber there names...
: / i got a list of things i need to work on.. but i guess i'll start with correcting this picture... :|
thank you....
i wanna do more with this idea.. *thinks*
gah.. *picks up her perspective book* as many books i buy.. i dont bloody understand them

Hyptosis

July 17th, 2006, 01:29 AM

WR, I'm seeing tons of improovments. Keep at it. =D BY the way, are you the same WR from #AC back in the day?

White Rose

July 17th, 2006, 01:33 AM

WR, I'm seeing tons of improovments. Keep at it. =D BY the way, are you the same WR from #AC back in the day?

^_^ yep :3
im also indigo_dreamer in the lj ^_^

Hyptosis

July 17th, 2006, 01:37 AM

Rockin'! Well hello =D

White Rose

July 17th, 2006, 01:38 AM

^_^ *gives you a white rose* :3 i'll be keeping an eye on you ^_^ on your sb

Dile_

July 17th, 2006, 10:37 AM

Really nice stuff White Rose! Your
heads are still alittle to big compared to neck and chest.. and the legs
seem to short, so an anatomy book would be great for ya!

Keep the good work up :D

Kitsu

July 17th, 2006, 01:10 PM

Good work Rose! I wasn't dedicated enough to do anything this weekend, but I will definitely do a paint over on that last head!

Timo C.

July 17th, 2006, 04:01 PM

hey your stuff is really coming along - I can definetly see improvements from the start. Keep up the hard work!

Kitsu

July 18th, 2006, 02:24 PM

Okay, I've posted a draw-over in my thread :)

White Rose

July 20th, 2006, 12:47 AM

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071906_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071906_2.jpg

i dont know how im going to remeber the muscles. but i think after sorta remebering the front and back positions. i can imagine it in 3 d in my mind..

;-; *sighs softly* still got to work on arms though.. next stop the hands

*gulp*

stressful week at work..and drawing always relaxes me.. even though im dead tired...
*thinks* but i also realzied..in my last picture.. i need to draw bigger to be able to draw the eyes the way i want to :3

Newbs

July 20th, 2006, 01:04 AM

nice studies. keep working and posting. look for the forms and fluidity.

Cup of Joe

July 20th, 2006, 09:50 AM

Even more important than muscle placement is proportions. When looking at a diagram, see the size of the muscles in relation to eachother. Also, do some full body drawing between study sessions, as it helps it stay in your mind.
Keep it up!

Kitsu

July 20th, 2006, 02:41 PM

Those are looking good. Be sure to checkout Mentler's thread if you want to do some muscle/bone studies: Bones - Muscles - Flesh (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26748)
Also, in addition to proportion, try to concentraite on the joint areas. Look at how the different parts of the body fit together.

I don't know about hands, I think they are always going to be difficult. Again Mentler has some good guides for proportion, parts, and placement - But the only way to really get hands is to draw them constantly until you don't need to think about it anymore :[

White Rose

July 22nd, 2006, 08:50 PM

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072206_2.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072206_1.jpg

im gonna work on the shadows on this one :|

Hyptosis

July 23rd, 2006, 02:45 AM

Awesome stuff rose! Keep at it, keep pumping those figure drawings out. =] Do as many as you can, as often as you can. I'm going to try to make myself do more as well. =] Good work.

Jakian

July 23rd, 2006, 02:54 AM

You've got some really nice stuff!

I would suggest that you watch things like stymetry and proportions.

Have you checked out Loomis (www.pinwire.com/loomisbooks) yet?

Hyptosis

July 23rd, 2006, 02:56 AM

You've got some really nice stuff!

I would suggest that you watch things like stymetry and proportions.

Have you checked out Loomis (www.pinwire.com/loomisbooks) yet?

I got a 404 on that, and loomis rocks.

Jho

July 23rd, 2006, 03:01 PM

Thanks for the kind words im my sketchbook. The face of the girl looks great! I especially like the eyes, they are so alive.
I too rocommend Loomis, as I'm sure you guessed from the pics im my sketchbook :)
I'm bad at giving rewievs, sorry :/.
All I can say is, keep up the good work :)

White Rose

July 23rd, 2006, 03:07 PM

hahah.. no no.. its okay
when i saw the post you made before...
to be frankly honest..

You made me..fustrated :3 but..when i got a second opinon..and was told why.. :3 .. iknow its something i need to work at ^_^
so im glad.. you critiqued ^_^ ..hell.. your preventing me from making the same mistake twice :3 but also when i was looking through your sb.. i realized.. i need to..study the skeleton again ^^;;
cause when i saw the progression of your art..of when you studied the skeleton..it inspired me .. :3

Kitsu

July 25th, 2006, 02:48 PM

I've been busy as all getout the last few days, but I wanted to say - that last face is looking really good. Keep it up!

White Rose

July 30th, 2006, 01:15 AM

its been a while since i've last updated, but like kistu said.. long before..when i dont post.. im actually doing something. and i have.. since wednesday.. ive been taking figure drawing classes.. so i had stuff to but i need to take a photo of them..since they're 18 by 24.. but..today i also went to class..which was cool .. i learned alot about the shoulder area... Im not sure how.. its gonna improve my work.. nor how to take the information in. I guess by looking at the structure and understand how it is. ?
any tips?
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_2.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_3.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_4.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_5.jpg
im really happy with this one.. foreshortening is tough :3.. also..
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_6.jpg

but im excited to learn more.. the art teacher recommend me the bargues book..gave me some copies to look at.. but.. she told me i shouldbe be afraid to scribble ^^;;; which im sorta kinda uncomfortable with. its hard trying to capture the structure within 2 minutes..... any pointers...

Hyptosis

July 30th, 2006, 02:23 AM

Aweosme, some of those a very strong. Keep them coming. Work work work! =D

brokk

July 30th, 2006, 02:37 AM

Hello White Rose,

Great studies, on these last ones there are some proportion issues, the torso of the 5th one seems a bit long, and the hands of the last one seem a bit small. The feet is small too. A good rule of thumb for keeping those is check is to remember the length of the hand and the length of the foot is more or less one head, or the length of the chin to the forehead.

I think these are going really good.
Cheers

Cwn Annwn

July 30th, 2006, 03:17 AM

Good to see you doing life studies. I know 2 minute sketches are hard, but in the end you'll be thankful for them. It forces you to see the whole rather than fussing over details. Keep going!

dhilipsomesh

July 31st, 2006, 07:47 AM

Good progress........keep up mate your lines are getting matured

MY SKETCH BOOK (http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72098)

Dile_

July 31st, 2006, 08:19 AM

Im with everything that have been said : Good work !
Check out kitsus anatomy studies, they are strong, and im sure you
guys can help eachother since your in same ssg and all ;)

Kitsu

July 31st, 2006, 11:20 AM

Okay, I don't know if this will be a lot of help, but at the sketch phase try to draw your lines all the way around the subject. Like when you draw those wireframe cubes in perspective, you can see the front and the back at the same time? Do this to double check the volumn of your forms, and to practice seeing your drawings as 3d forms in space rather than 2d shapes on the page.

I'm still up to my eyes in work, so it will be a while before I can update my sketchbook. Keep up the good work, and I'll check back in later :)

White Rose

July 31st, 2006, 11:37 PM

Well today was a toughie, I wasnt sure if i wanted to go to figure drawing class, but i went :). and it was good. The guy who posed for us. Geeze louise..he did alot of difficult poses. I was soo close to say "OH HELLLL NO... i cant draw that"
*laughs* so here we go
im trying to figure out a method to capture the poses as quickly. im going to try the shapes idea again.

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/073106_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/073106_2.jpg
the last pose was 80 minutes. but the guy moved about 3 or 4 times, so the light source kept on changing... grrrrr
oh well :).. i am learning ^_^
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/073106_3.jpg

Cup of Joe

August 1st, 2006, 12:38 AM

Good job on that last one! I don't have much to say besides keep doing what your doing. Double-check proportions too. Keep it up!

Listing

August 1st, 2006, 01:40 AM

Keep working. Good improvement. You might not want to focus so much on the outline. You'll lost proportion and other interior elements.

afgal

August 1st, 2006, 02:18 AM

I see much improvement in your work. I do notice some stiffness and it is getting better. I had/have this problem too but I noticed once I started studying Bridgman my drawing became looser, more expressive. Bridman is pretty hard but he has helped me greatly.

TechLoveAffair

August 1st, 2006, 02:50 AM

Thanks for stopping by my sketchbook! Nice stuff you've got here, great line quality, but where are YOUR hands, hmm?

Keep going! Love the torrent of figure drawings :D

White Rose

August 3rd, 2006, 12:23 AM

todays figure drawing class.. i learned sooo much. It was hard to do from 2 - 15 minute poses. But I tried. At the end of class the teacher pulled me over and wanted to see what i was working on.
Long story short, she was fustrated when she i used shapes to construct the image. She told me (which surprised me) that at this point, i do have a grasp on the human anatomy and i should really draw what i see. I asked her, then why do people construct the body with shapes. She stated that " the usage of shapes is mostly for biggenners to understand the mass and form.
Also, if you continue to use shapes to define things. your not going to be able to see past the true form on the body, arms will always look a cylinders legs would like cubes (etc) in which actually they cary the form of the shapes but..visually its all curves and depressions. She gave me a peice of a verterbrea to take home and told me to draw it. from every possible angle you can take off. Im going to force you to see objects, also dont forget to draw from life as much as you can

i never met a teacher who would literally try to force me into the next step.

but here are the pictures.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_2.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_3.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_4.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_5.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_6.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_7.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_8.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_9.jpg

Hyptosis

August 3rd, 2006, 01:47 AM

Great work. I really miss figure drawing class, it was super fun. I'm glad you're working so hard, keep at it. =]

White Rose

August 3rd, 2006, 09:52 AM

Great work. I really miss figure drawing class, it was super fun. I'm glad you're working so hard, keep at it. =]
thank you, its not easy..though especially in this heat wave..but fortunately its suppose to be raining this week *prays*

Jens

August 3rd, 2006, 10:21 AM

i think your teacher gave you some good advice..

another good excercice to learn how to see is blind drawing.
Draw your hand without looking at your paper, draw your hand without lifting your pencil from the paper. Be aware that your drawing will look like crap. More important is that you learn how to see the real shapes and curves of the object you're drawing, not what you think you're seeing. So try to see every little bump when you're doing the blind drawing. Do this a few times and then draw your hands again but now you can look at the page. But use the same method of looking. Look for curves, bumps, general proportion, the angle between the fingers etc..

watch out for drawing big heads when you're doing the figure drawing. Also draw the hands EVERY TIME on every pose!! Even if you know they will fuck up your drawing. It's the only way you will learn.

Hope my comment is from some value to you!

White Rose

August 3rd, 2006, 11:20 AM

i think your teacher gave you some good advice..

another good excercice to learn how to see is blind drawing.
Draw your hand without looking at your paper, draw your hand without lifting your pencil from the paper. Be aware that your drawing look like crap. More important is that you learn how to see the real shapes and curves of the object you're drawing, not what you think you're seeing. So try to see every little bump when you're doing the blind drawing. Do this a few times and then draw your hands again but now you can look at the page. But use the same method of looking. Look for curves, bumps, general proportion, the angle between the fingers etc..

watch out for drawing big heads when you're doing the figure drawing. Also draw the hands EVERY TIME on every pose!! Even if you know they will fuck up your drawing. It's the only way you will learn.

Hope my comment is from some value to you!

wow you hit it right on the mark. *smiles*
I remebered,. she was happy when i drew in the hands, the eyes and ears and the nose.
But if i didnt, she didnt even want to look at it. She literally told me this.

The hard part I do wonder, if it still applies to when I draw stuff from my head.

but yeah Jens, i'll totally will be taking your advice to heart.
thank you @--}---

White Rose

August 8th, 2006, 08:14 AM

life drawing classes
write more on it later
its so hard to do 2 minute poses... i get more information down on a 5 minute poses rather than a 2 minute one. and i have to avoid using shapes and focus on the form. oh well
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080706_1.jpg

i took my time on her, cause i really wanted to understand her form. She was leaning on her side. im not sure if i gave the impression if shes really leaning on her side.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080706_2.jpg

light

August 8th, 2006, 07:39 PM

Nice studies, its great to see so many figures. I think youre having problems with angles, might wanna try to do a few studies to remedy that :)

White Rose

August 8th, 2006, 08:00 PM

:| angles? you mean..foreshadowing? the worst part.. is that i cant even do original art...anymore...
i dunno if im afraid of putting it on or paper..or im not sure how to make it dynamic.. i guess its a working progress *bangs her head on the table* i feel so stuck

Cup of Joe

August 8th, 2006, 09:35 PM

i dunno if im afraid of putting it on or paper

Please see #1 in Dirty C's Three Rules of drawing. HERE (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=635510&postcount=182)

As for the figures, you seem to be blocking in with spheres a lot. I find it easier to (at least until you feel comfortable with a part of the body) use cubes, since they're the easiest to imagine in a 3d space. Maybe work on line quality too (a very hard habit to break).
Nice to see some studies, let's get this SSG movin'! Keep it up!

White Rose

August 8th, 2006, 11:17 PM

Noobish fustrations...
Finding myself artistically my ass...

im at the point now, that i want to throw in the towel. But when you fear the thought, regreting not to continue on and stride and persevere. It makes you want to go awol.

I just dont give a shit anymore of what i draw. I just want to put my thoughts on paper. It fucking hurts yo...when your just not empting your mind of all the images you have in your head. I just want it to be beautifully made..but it just cant happen,,,,,,

I lack skills (or what ever the correct word it is), there are things that i just cant draw well. I practice and I practice, but i feel like ive done everything in vain. I cant give up, I wont give up.

Fuck...why having a really bad day at work (recieving the blame for an IT screwup) had to set me off (emotionally).. FUCK FUCK FUCK....

so here is my crap....

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080806.jpg

I really cant draw for shit..and im going to be drawing shit for the rest of my
life ..dont know how im going to improve... just practice..practice.. cant seem to cross the line of.. Ahhh haa.. I got it..

i so need a fucking drink....

White Rose

August 10th, 2006, 10:30 AM

*sighs softly*

Yesterday (Wednesday) went to figure drawing class again. This time the whole focus was the quick poses. I think I am getting better at it.
I tried not to use shapes (just as the teacher suggested). The problem is that my right hand gets sore very quickly. I guess Im tighening up my wrists so much. So I tried to draw with my arm. which helped.

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080906_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080906_2.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080906_3.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080906_4.jpg

Also, due to the other post I made, I wanted to talk to my art teacher about how.. does one plan out when they create their picture. She told me.. there is no way..really.. everyone has their own methods.

I asked her.. its like studying huh. she said ..yeah somewhat...

I do have like a mini outline.. but it feels like alot... am I over doing it.

1. usualy right down the idea. and sketch out the thumbnail best i can. make a basic one. and then try to have different comps. till i get the best one.
2. draw the picture the best way i can. Draw everything out. even if its wrong.
3. get it critiqued, and i critique it myself as well. when I get a line art that Im satisfied with.

Can always start painitng.. I find painting is easier for me. well digital painting.

anytips or advice would be greatly appreciated.

chaosrocks

August 10th, 2006, 10:51 AM

hey good work.....your proportiona are getting better and better....keep at it. I too once had a teache that said...don't shy away from faces and hands.. just wade in and do them. sure you'll get em wrong...so what. eventually you'll get'em right some time and then you'll be able to do any thing!
...
also a bit of old folk advice...don't rush to digital media.. if you can't draw on paper you can't draw with a computer....all the slick tricks in the world won't hide failed anatomy or perspective.

keep up the good work!
Chaos

Ulver

August 11th, 2006, 03:31 PM

Took a walk through your thread and have to say that you`re doing a great progress! It`s cool that you`re doing a plenty of life drawings - you will learn from it much faster than doing the same thing from refs. Your gestures is getting better really - love the first two pages in your last update, you really caught a pose and motion there. Your line is also improving - blind contours, which Jens suggested, can help you to make it even better. Anyway, impressed dedication and good stuff are here. Just keep going and you`ll get what you want!

Jho

August 14th, 2006, 12:35 PM

Hi White Rose!
Great looking figures. I really got to try that speedpainting thing :)
My favorite is the one with her legs crossed, really plain and simple. Makes it look so easy :)

Btw. You mentioned perspectives im my sketchbook, I made a small tutorial (http://karetar.net/luonnokset/perstuto/) about them in my homepages. Its nothing big, but check it out, if you are intterested.

Keep up the good work!!

armando

August 15th, 2006, 11:22 PM

Concentrating on shapes or forms depends on the length of time you have for the drawing, anything under 20 minutes it's best to use forms, over that it's safe to use shapes. If we choose to go for accuracy and "draw what we see", then we are no longer thinking conceptually and critically, but are now slaves to the tool. How is it possible to "draw what we see" with a line, when we really see no line, the same with the texture of pencil and paper, also we don't see in black and white. This type of drawing does refine observational skill, but it's of a certain kind that is useless for drawing from the mind(I admit this isn't completely true), which is what you've mentioned wanting several times.
Stick with using forms, and generalyizing shapes, that's the most fun, it's like playing jazz, improvising even when we're drawing from real images, the same as from imagination. Download those Villpu exercises from the wiki, and start improvising on spheres and blocks.

armando

August 15th, 2006, 11:47 PM

Thought I'd modify what I wrote last. "Drawing what you see" isn't as worthless as I made it sound. I wanted to stress that it doesn't accomplish what most people think it does, that is "learning to see", if we didn't know how to see from the beggining, how would we know we needed improvement. What it does is teach how to use the instrument, painters tend to think in terms of shape masses when they "draw what they see", users of pointed instruments use lines, sculptors use masses of clay, not because they sense these things out there but because of the nature of their mediums. This is actually very important practice for a beginner.

White Rose

August 17th, 2006, 11:02 AM

jho: thank you again for the mini tutorial on the perspective
armando: I think I really need to get this book your talking about. And your advice is very insightful. thank you

on the other hand. Im going to post this in the ciritique and sb..

i did this on the train. yesterday. damn train didnt move due to congestion. I heard that there was a black out on the brooklyn bridge.. is this true.. oh well
I was suppose to go to a figure drawing class.. and i didnt make it. cause of the congestion on the train :(

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/081608_1.jpg

Dwezz

August 17th, 2006, 11:27 AM

You're really improving!
Keep up the good work

Cup of Joe

August 17th, 2006, 11:32 AM

Hey White Rose! Sorry for not dropping by in so long, but i guess the whole SSG has been kind of lax lately. Nice job on that last one, though the chin is a little too concave. It also might help with your heads and necks if you drew a bit of the shoulders too, just to define neck length a little. Keep it up!

dCepT

August 19th, 2006, 08:10 PM

Your lifedrawings are looking better and better. The woman leaning to her side looks good. The head is a bit big, though... Ans since you're so lucky as to have lifemodels (damn I miss figuredrawing!) observe how the joints interlock... the knee is kinda off...

I like that you got time for some shading as well.. adds a lot to it when you can describe volume!

Keep 'em coming!

d-C

Seedling

August 19th, 2006, 08:29 PM

Hello Rose,
You’ve made some great progress with your figures. Some things you could try in your life drawings:

-trade in the pencil for something that can draw in big fat smudges. Vine charcoal is ideal. That way you can block in big forms super fast, and not get hung up on edges. Working with a pencil can cause you to get overly focused on edges.

-with pencil (or other pointy mediums) try drawing in long, loopy lines where you never pick the point up off of the page.

-try to find “landmarks” on the figure that you haven’t used before, like the hip-bone, belly button, the little divot at the base of the neck, or the small of the back. Focus on how the bones and tissues meet up there, and how light reveals those forms.

Cheers!

White Rose

August 23rd, 2006, 11:12 PM

thank you...

Seedling,dcept, for checking out my sb...
i still have alot to type about but the folowing pictures are poses 2-5 minute poses in my figure drawing class.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_1http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_2
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_3http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_4
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_5http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_6

White Rose

August 25th, 2006, 09:31 AM

I guess I'll add this on into the sb now anyway..
I was told that the features on the face look tight... i guess because it so linear.. i've somewhat forget why.
i dont think there is anymore i can do with this picture...besides coloring it..
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_7.jpg

i did learn alot working on this... the old version of it.is up there...
thank you to those who helped me out on this.

and for anyone who is reading this.. just tell me what i can do to push myself a little bit more.. i feel like im falling off track....

Alzorath

August 26th, 2006, 05:49 AM

hmm...not sure if you intended this, but the shoulders seem a slight bit too low... - womens necks are slender and long, but 'usually' not quite that long.

It's a definite improvement, and you're doing very good, you just need to loosen up a bit :) (maybe try scribbling random loops and curves all over a piece of paper and pick images out of it?).

There are a few proportion issues in the figure sketches in the post before last, but I feel that those will fix themselves with practice and observation, again your images feel a bit 'stiff' - don't be afraid of putting down the wrong line in a quick sketch, just go after the image as hard as you can and get the information down fast and clear enough so you can later translate it into an image if you want.

You observe well, and you seem to 'know' what you're looking for, the thing is the hesitancy is killing the energy and life of the images, and also causing some of the things you 'know' not to appear how you know them.

I'm looking forward to more from life sketches :).

Cup of Joe

August 28th, 2006, 10:38 AM

Hey White Rose! Sorry it took me so long to respond, but I suppose the whole SSG is dissapearing, eh?
Nice job on those figures, good to see you looking at perspective. I think your lines are improving too. Your main problem spot seems to be legs right now. Just remember proportions, legs are ~half the length of the body and knees are halfway up the leg.
As for the face, it's a definate improvement. Here's a few guidlines I find very helpful though. The corners of the mouth line up with the centers of the eyes, inside corners of the eyes line up with the ends of the nostrils, and the width of the bottom of the nose (also the distance between the eyes) is one eye wide. If that makes no sense I can illustrate it.
Keep it up! Your definately improving.

dindon

September 1st, 2006, 02:07 PM

I don't have the Loomis books, but I have "Drawing the Head and Figure" by Jack Hamm, and I think it's really good. You should check it out.

Lee W

September 1st, 2006, 03:17 PM

Hello

thanks for dropping by my sketchbook :)

continue your loomis studies, and the correct proportions will come. One thing that you can do is take any drawing from the book, study it and retain as much information as you can. Then close the book and draw that image from memory, when you are done, compare it to the drawing in the book and note the mistakes. That way you can be concious of what needs to be corrected the next time you try to draw that image again.

Alcian

September 1st, 2006, 03:22 PM

Hi White Rose, when you draw pay more attention to the negative space. Negative space is sooooo important. Also, measuring things with a finger and a pencil will help your judgment of size. You have some great studies here.

Listing

September 3rd, 2006, 01:37 AM

Some good progress. You're on your way so I wouldn't do any concept work now because it seems that there are some preconceptions of form that need to be ruled out by observation.

White Rose

September 3rd, 2006, 06:43 PM

. .? wow i didnt expect this :3 *gives you a white rose*

Dindon: Getting the book

Old Noobie: Taking your advice... i started taking random images..well images i liked *^^* Took one from a master painting and a random one.. cause i wanted to learn about noses and eyes and what not.. going to post that soon

Alcian :) Negative Space is my middle name.. well ever since I finally learned what it was... I learned it from "drawing on the right side of the brain." the book... When Im doing figure drawing class. if there is something i dont understand I switch to using that. but sometimes..i see a pose..sometimes its very hard for me to begin. but i'll try harder next time.'

Listing: :( if i dont do something now..when can i ever do it... i mean.. I just want to create.... but i dont want to go creating without a parachute.. ya know ^_^.
and what do you mean preconception of form ruled out by observation...
pertaining to what?

Myako

September 6th, 2006, 04:39 PM

Hey white rose really good progress which i have seen so far from 1-3 page ;) gonna keep up working on your forms on the human body when you look of some muscle studies around the internet
http://people.uleth.ca/~little/PE2110/funcanatomy/2front%20muscle.jpg
http://people.uleth.ca/~little/PE2110/funcanatomy/2back%20muscle.jpg
it will help you to increase the linework for the form and proportions on the human sketches ,
keep life studying it´s working well
thanks for the comments and crits too ,most appreciated ;P

JERI

September 6th, 2006, 07:41 PM

White Rose

September 6th, 2006, 09:56 PM

Well I guess what you can do to push yourself a tad more is to try and capture more details that you see in your sketches. I feel the hands and feet in particular can use some more of your attention.

What I find helpful myself when studying anatomy is to sometimes break them down into manageable portions. Say if I wanna draw a figure, I'd probably draw a close-up of the hand, the face, the nose or the frame - any parts that I feel are particularly tricky. Then I attempt to draw the whole thing.

Just my two cents, hope that helps.

thank you for checking out my sb. Im very afraid of drawing a figure from imagination. but.. im getting tired of being afraid.. being afraid doesnt get you anywhere.. so im just going to work on it bit by bit :)

on the other hand.. i did have some new stuff...

the second picture.. i was using refernece.. trying to learn more about faces... still not done yet

character

September 6th, 2006, 10:49 PM

ooooh nice update. good to see you practicing your heads. keep at it. get those proportions down. just 40 something more heads to go >.<

Alzorath

September 7th, 2006, 10:17 PM

One thing I've found kinda fun, if you're keeping a folder of 'reference images', and use Windows XP - there should be a screensaver that uses pictures from a folder (called "my pictures slideshow"). With this you can set it to any folder (reference images in this case), and set it up for short periods of time (ranging from 6 seconds to 3 minutes on mine). Point it at a folder filled with various reference images, set it for a short period of time, and there you have an instant 'gesture practice' tool if you don't have live models :D.

As for faces, looking good - just remember facial feature's aren't built onto a flat plane (they're built onto a very curved plane in fact).

Very good job, keep up the drawing :D.

Lee W

September 7th, 2006, 10:29 PM

those loomis head structure studies are looking good :)

White Rose

September 8th, 2006, 11:56 AM

White Rose

September 10th, 2006, 08:56 PM

Today, I said fuck it..and drew with out no reference.
and *laughs*
:) i actually dont mind making a plethora of mistakes...cause this is how i improve
now..i just have to remedy this. i think for me.. i realized studying every part of the anatomy is good but bad.. need to see how these things flow together...

Alzorath

September 11th, 2006, 10:14 PM

I always do a gesture drawing under my figures, even from imagination (just because you're drawing them from your mind doesn't mean they don't have gesture ;) ).

With 'imagination' drawings you can actually get away with a lot more in the pose and gesture, try and use that to your advantage to make the figures more dynamic and exciting (this last one is really rigid feeling :( ).

I read back a little bit, and noticed you asked about "perception of form ruled out by observation" - I think what was meant is that to draw the figure more accurately, one needs to slow down and observe the details about the form.

To explain it - Lets step back to an elementary level art here, a child percieves a person based strongly on emotion and what they've been able to simplify and categorize in their lifetime - so you get figures with very emotionally altered forms (such as eyes, faces being improportionately large), and the shapes of the form are very simplified - Circle for the head, footballs or circles for the eyes, curve for the mouth, and two dots or a line for the nose.

The child recognizes these simplified forms as categorized forms that represent a much more complex idea that they haven't fully processed and/or stored.

As we get older, these categorizations remain, although they usually become slightly more sophisticated (for example we know a nose has 2 nostrils and extends out from the face, is located between the 2 eyes, and above the mouth). Although only through observation and practice can we understand the nose much better and represent it realistically where other people will interpret the nose as a 'realistic nose' rather than a 'cartoon nose' (our subconscious knowledge is much more detailed than our conscious knowledge, without study).

So basically he's saying to study life, and then compare it to what you consciously 'know' about the figure, and then go from there to solve the indiscrepencies between the two. (Concept art requires a very good conscious knowledge of reality, which requires study of reality - our brain will tell us it's wrong otherwise because of our subconscious knowledge).

Also, don't be so shy of details, you have to know the details before you can know which ones are best to simplify :).

And wow...I'm Mr. Long-post tonight lol, you're doing good, just keep up the studies and keep drawing - you're showing progress :D.

White Rose

September 12th, 2006, 07:45 AM

started working on gestures from villpu.. to helop me be able to form the body...better and not be so stiff...
gah this is hard..oh well :3..especially when i try to draw some poses from my mind... (why is my mind being so stubborn.)

Bojee

September 12th, 2006, 08:10 AM

Drawing the spine of your figures might help too. :)

Cup of Joe

September 15th, 2006, 09:35 PM

Woah, sorry I havn't been here in forever, school really hit me like a bus.
Anyway, nice job doing gestures! You can probabl get some good adivice if you post in or even just read through the Gesture thread (I think it's in the Fine Arts section, if you can't find it I'll find it again

If Alzorath doesn't mind, i think a good summary of his post is that we all have a library of objects in our brain. That library sucks. Through art we try to break down our notions of objects and rebuild a better library of objects.

Like Bojee said, the spine is very important, but probably the most imporatnt thing in gestures is swooshy lines. Try to never have right angles, and to keep th number of directions to a minimum. Prometheus|ANJ has a great section on that down a little in his tutorial HERE (http://itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm) (Read through the whole thing though, it's fantastic.)

Going back to my library spiel, Doing the curvy lines is fantastic, but for the future, try and build a mannekin you like. There is no 'right' mannekin, just take what you like from one person and leave what you don't like. Take your studies with a grain of salt.
Edit- also, your drawings aren't your babies. If you don't like where it's going, start over.

And most importantly, Keep it up!

Alzorath

September 17th, 2006, 03:49 PM

I think http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22270&stc=1&d=1158061477

Is the strongest one of the 3 you just posted. (the one in the middle of it that looks to be stepping forward in a 'ballet like manner' is the best on that page imo).

Remember to stay loose and look for the motion in gesture (not necessarily just the mass).

I personally like doing spines, but I do know other people prefer 'blocking in the form' instead, which is just as viable (I just find it hard to translate that into imagined figures :D).

also, your drawings aren't your babies. If you don't like where it's going, start over.

I have heard that so many times, and it's so universally true and necessary. Unfortunately it's equally as hard to do in practice (but necessary).

Cup of Joe's summary is a good one :) - As artists, we basically need to transform a Library filled with Phone Books (where everyone looks the same in text), to a Library filled with everything from Text Books to Picture Books to Movies and Songs.

silvestri99

September 18th, 2006, 08:10 PM

Keep working on those figure studies, you've had some good progress. And remember when you are trying to draw the figure don't draw the outside lines, try to capture the mass of the person and limbs and how the lines show that mass. !! :)

Hyptosis

September 19th, 2006, 06:23 AM

...try to capture the mass of the person and limbs and how the lines show that mass. !! :)

100% right, and 100% difficult! Keep it up, =D Good work WR!

Lee W

September 19th, 2006, 08:00 AM

A good way to make your mind less stubborn is to do blind gestures .. that way your mind can't see what you are about to put on paper :) This also helps you to see the subject much more clearer.

Hyptosis

September 19th, 2006, 12:39 PM

I think I'm going to do more of those then. I have a habbit, when I'm drawing formmemory, of buildinge verything up too much. Like drawing the bones, then the muscles, then the skin, which makes them fairly accurate, but very stiff. =\

Myako

September 21st, 2006, 12:27 PM

Hey white rose nice updates ^^
gestures are something i have to train too , the most important i think is to keep it dynamic and not to straight , it may helps if you don´t think in straight objects but in curves ,
Keep working

Mya

White Rose

September 21st, 2006, 11:26 PM

wow.. i didnt expect to get any replies since.. i was in the hospital.. since last thursday..got out monday though.anywhoo..
back to art..
thank you.. :) for posting in my sb.. and you know what.. im back to work on gestures..and silvestri99 . your comment made a lightbulb go off in my head on how i should approach it. so i think im getting a little better at the gestures.

Alzorath & Myako & OldNoobie Im trying my best.. heading your advice and ideas and its tough

Hyptosis its a pretty good practice besides drawing basic shapes. over and over. it gives me a bit more creativity cause i try to find or work on poses i have in my head and trying to put them on paper and trying to exagerate them better using gestures.

so here are the new stuff..

silvestri99

September 22nd, 2006, 11:29 AM

I think that you did turn a corner. Some in that last batch are showing more of the mass than it's outlines. Keep working on it and try working from reference. Watch how each mass moves into the next.....if you can get to a life drawing session you'll have the most luck at catching these sometimes subtle changes. Keep it up you're doing great!!! (and thanks for visiting my s.b.).

White Rose

September 23rd, 2006, 10:53 PM

the 100 gestures challenge..or was it 200..

a group of us is participating in this challenge.. :3 and i started off with my first 10... I do dont want to wear the loser avatar .. so im gonna try my best ^_^

Cup of Joe

September 23rd, 2006, 11:52 PM

Hey White Rose! Your gestures are definatley improving. No real crits, it's mainly just practice now. May have to get in on that 100 gesture T-dome, but I won't make it official 'till I can be sure I won't have to wear the LOSATAR.
Keep it up!

Lee W

September 26th, 2006, 08:09 PM

on your gestures, use swooping lines ... you got to relax and let it flow, the 10 gestures seems kinda stiff

Alzorath

September 28th, 2006, 01:39 AM

Definitely improving on the gestures, although remember that gestures are meant to capture the 'motion' (and expressiveness) of the figure, the 'stiffness' that might be coming through is you're still focusing very heavily on the 'structure' (which is important, but can also be constraining). Gesture sketches aren't the bones, they depict the "Gesture" (the movement and to an extent, the mass, of an object).

Anywho...definitely improving, just need to loosen up some more :D.

silvestri99

October 3rd, 2006, 12:16 AM

keep 'em coming...try and do them fast and loose. Try not to think about the line you are making to much, just let it happen!!

White Rose

October 10th, 2006, 01:00 AM

so.. i was working on this peice.. but i want to make this a bit more..so its going to be a working progress... i love drawing characters..and just go crazy with it. but.. i dont want to draw just the character.. i want to draw the enviroment around her. sooo.. here what i have so far..

now.. i like the design i just dont like..how her anatomy looks...i know her body is elongated...and her face.. ;-; why do i keep on drawing faces like that.. i know it could be better.. . *thinks* i did use reference for the top torso..to figure the fluidity of it.

but now i need to start creating thumb nails on how i want it to look like... i guess i want it to be a futuristic..dance/ballet classroom :3
thats in a club like setting

sad part is i dont know perspective..so i guess i should start simple

Lee W

October 10th, 2006, 01:07 AM

actually the face looks okay, however, her neck is a bit too elongated. Also, if you get the arms and hand anatomically correct, it should be pretty good :)

Hyptosis

October 10th, 2006, 03:55 AM

Yeah, working on environments is important too, my primary concern isn't with the face, but rather the fore arm and lower legs. Check them again if you're up to it, otherwise, keep working away at it! Maybe flip the image in photoshop and then sit in front of it with the original to make your changes. Good luck. ^_^

Azrael

October 11th, 2006, 12:50 AM

Keep working on those studies, they will pay off in the end (they have been working for me), but do not forget to have a little fun with your drawing too and just through down what you want on the paper, what you see in your mind. It helps to keep things loose and helps you develop a style of your own. Keep crackin at it. You doing good.

White Rose

October 12th, 2006, 09:44 PM

some gestures...too tired to say much

Cup of Joe

October 12th, 2006, 11:02 PM

Hey White Rose! Glad to see your still at it. I think for now the main thing is just to keep going. Keep doing studies, keep drawing. You'll improve.
Keep at it!

bloodbrush

October 19th, 2006, 10:18 PM

hey, nice sketches :)
a tip:
when you draw gestures abandon that construction.
try to draw the figure loosely, use opposing curves:
http://features.cgsociety.org/stories/2006_01/rebecca_kimmel/pic_11.jpg
http://features.cgsociety.org/stories/2006_01/rebecca_kimmel/pic_13.jpg

keep drawing, do much lifedrawing and you will improve fast
and never forget to have fun

White Rose

October 21st, 2006, 11:02 AM

well going back to the basics of the basics..

drawing shapes. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

so yeah, i realized that doing this.. need to work more on drawing 3d shapes in different perspective and cylinders...

Lee W

October 21st, 2006, 11:39 AM

White Rose

October 21st, 2006, 03:38 PM

haven't seen you post anything for over a week now ...

i see you are going back to basics .. fun huh? bah

I would like to recommend one of the two books that you might considering reading and doing the exerciess within. I have both and read them so many times its ridiculous, anyhow, they are both similar and very helpful :)

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
The Natural Way to Draw

hehehe..its funny.. i have those two books..allready read drawing on the right side of the brain..

have the natural way to draw... too... havent really opened it up..

Cup of Joe

October 22nd, 2006, 12:08 AM

Hey White Rose! Glad to see your still at it!
Basic shapes are good reminders of form, but my main crit/advice would be just draw more. The more often you draw, the faster you'll improve.
Keep at it!

White Rose

October 29th, 2006, 10:51 PM

with work... life..and other things.. i'm learning how to perspective... > >
which i still need to work on it more..
just something simple.. im slacking off in the posting though,,,

Cup of Joe

October 30th, 2006, 11:07 PM

Glad to see your still at it!
Not much to say, but I hope whatever's getting in your way clears up soon!
Keep at it!

Hyptosis

October 31st, 2006, 04:00 PM

glad to see you're still toiling away WR ^_^ Keep it up. =]

BlackBeret

October 31st, 2006, 10:06 PM

Just somthing I think you might like trying. Go to a park or somewhere public. Get out a small sketchbook and find a person and do a sketch of them in a minute or less. Dont erase just sketch. Do it 50 times. This well help you get a flow and feel of the human body. Now someone may have told you to try somthing like this already, I dont know I didnt really look. But I just think that it's somthing you may like to try.

gmags

October 31st, 2006, 11:24 PM

Hey White Rose, nice to see your progress in this sb!! Sometime when I'm feelin like I'm not progressing I go back to the basics. Don't let the drawer's block get to you. Keep it up girl and don't quit!! :)

Alzorath

November 6th, 2006, 12:34 AM

Hmm...don't be afraid to use a ruler/straightedge on the perspective stuff :) is about all the advice I'd have at the moment... there's also tricks to ellipses/angles in 1 and 2 point perspective (never tried using them in 3pt or higher...but they should be able to be carried over) - if you want I could dig up some stuff on the tricks (dunno if you're going from a book or not).

Looks good (sorry for not commenting for so long...got busy, got distracted, then got sick, and just got back into the swing of things)

Lee W

November 14th, 2006, 07:41 PM

I think it's time for an update :) ....

White Rose

December 3rd, 2006, 07:28 PM

here is my mini update...
this was done at the figure drawing class on ... thursday.. for some unknown reason i really like these.. i'm begining to see my "style" comming through

does that make sense?

White Rose

December 20th, 2006, 12:09 AM

Totally going skitzo with my sketchbook..but that ones does..to find themselves.
I havent drawn so well.. cause I'm afraid to draw. But I got fed up with it and drew crap. It felt good. I'm searching for answers. I still need to study anatomy..but figuring out how to incorpirate to get the mass and porportions right...

here we go.. but please.. I need some critiques and tips
thank you

Lee W

December 20th, 2006, 08:43 PM

the only tip I can offer is to draw from refs or/and life as much as possible. Refs are better in that you can always go back and compare it to the sketch at any time. But drawing from life gives you the 3 dimensional view of whatever it is you are sketching. And try not to think of anything and set your mind free when you sketch, that way you won't analyze the drawing before it is started.

so basically, the whole secret is .... DRAW :) and keep drawing.

Cup of Joe

December 20th, 2006, 10:42 PM

Glad to see your back!
Like OldNoobie said, life drawing will help, but it's more important just to keep drawing. Don't be afraid to put something on the paper, because drawing shouldn't cause stress. Even if you only have a little time, you can still squeeze out a doodle or a quick life drawing in 5 or 10 minutes.
Keep it up!

White Rose

January 2nd, 2007, 12:11 AM

working on my ofdw.. so far its a wip.. its is tough.. forcing myself not to be afraid of making mistakes.

BludHund

January 2nd, 2007, 12:54 AM

Don't be afraid of mistakes.
Don't be afraid of mistakes.
Don't be afraid of mistakes.

hehe. Nice SB White Rose.

Seriously though: you should read Dirty C's Three Rules of Painting...

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=635510&postcount=182

he's a pretty good artist, too, hehe.

I also have a rule, which applies mainly to sketchbooks and studies but also to all art: Never create anything you're afraid to destroy (or lose, or screw up).

You should be willing to just throw your whole sektchbook in the trash (haha, not before you scan it in and upload it tho...). The point is that you learn, and you learn from the experience, not the image. In the end you're not going to hang these studies on a wall or make a living off of them, its the skills that you learn that are important. Cheers for mistakes!

White Rose

January 2nd, 2007, 09:53 PM

drew a bit..to get some of the fustration out of my system. From the look of this. I need to try and draw the rest of the arms...

Cup of Joe

January 2nd, 2007, 10:11 PM

Glad to see your still at it!
Bludhund is right, you can't be afraid. If it comes out bad, no one has to see it. It's just a piece of paper, and you have to remember your the one in control.

Looking good, but remember to keep your features on the same plane. Here's a quick PAINTOVER (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3637/whiterosepofb5.jpg)to show what I mean.
Keep it up!

White Rose

January 2nd, 2007, 10:14 PM

^_^ thank you...
right now.. i do have the motivation again to keep on going.. just so hard..
especially when there is so much to learn...even though I got to do a little at a time.. i'll keep on going :)

Lee W

January 4th, 2007, 08:46 PM

some good books for drawing heads, hands and figures are by Loomis and I would suggest using those for studies. They only come in pdf format now and the actual books are hard to find, and if you can find one, it will probably cost an arm and a leg. Anyhow, if you don't have them already, here is a link to a site that you can download them

http://basangpanaginip.blogspot.com/2006/01/downloads.html

White Rose

January 4th, 2007, 08:59 PM

hey Old Noobie..
you always seem to keep an eye on me :)
^_^
anywho... I actually printed out figure drawing for all its worth and binded it..
and i have all the books..thank you again for the link

but yeah.. im going to try again..
im so stubborn when it comes down to this.

Lee W

January 4th, 2007, 09:05 PM

don't give up :) Like they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. So, take it one step at a time and it will eventually come together :)

Derlaine

January 7th, 2007, 09:47 PM

Hello, you are making good progress, keep it up! Only advice I have is to pay attention to proportions; measuring how many heads or arms something is, that kind of stuff. It's something I wish someone told me earlier!

NicoRaven

January 8th, 2007, 12:42 AM

Be happy with the mistakes that nearly the only times one can learn. Make as many mistakes trying to do, so tomorrow it can be done with only a few. that rhymed huh.

But try to draw from reference then draw of 20min then start again on a fresh sheet and note the mistakes you may have made the first time.

I think it lovely that your trying so hard and active searching for your style. I'm a beginner too and drawing real people is something that still scares me.

White Rose

January 10th, 2007, 11:06 PM

this issooo fustrating.. but i did learn a couple of new things about the head...
i think its called the oxilary region..where the eyes are placed....and the cheek strcture.. i think understanding that will help me understand the form of the face a bit more..

going back to loomis again.. im getting bothered with these studies..feel that im not progressing.. oh well..

White Rose

January 10th, 2007, 11:41 PM

another one.. some from studying the loomis book.. trying to understand the umm
chest area....i notice some things i dont like.. so i need to study that area a bit more

Hyptosis

January 11th, 2007, 12:02 AM

I totally understand. And feel the same way. Just look at it this way, at least I do. You can draw heads, bones, muscles, boring stuff all day long, and not make a bit of progress. But one thing is for sure, you're not hurting yourself any. So all you really CAN do is make progress.I mean, it sucks to spin your wheels, but you're not going to get any worse. Hope that makes sense, in my head it sounds better. =] They're very good, keep at it. It is hard work, I hate my own work, and I've been trying harder and harder to do more studies. But All I can think is, "I'm just copying a picture. When ti comes time to paint something form my head I'll do a terrible job." And It is true, but it can't be hurting me.I've got to be learning SOMTHING. At least I'm not forgetting anything. =]

Lee W

January 11th, 2007, 01:27 AM

The skills to draw takes a long time to learn and a lifetime to master. The human head is probably the hardest to draw and trying to get a likeness of an individual makes it even harder, but it come with practice and time. There is no easy way or shortcuts to learn, just have to put in the time and practice. One tip I can offer you that I haven't seen in any drawing instruction books yet is that the angle of the center line (for the nose) and the horizontal line for the eyes is always 90 degrees no matter what the view of the head is.

Anid Maro

January 14th, 2007, 07:12 PM

When I saw we were matched against each other in the Gods at War Contest, I figured I'd look at your sketchbook to see how badly I'd smash my competition! Bwahahahahaha!!! >:D

Seriously though, you've got a cool sketchbook. You'll go far working on the boring, basic, fundamental stuff (It's already showing). A lesson I have to learn myself. :)

I look forward to seeing your contest entry, good luck!

White Rose

January 15th, 2007, 11:54 PM

here we goo. due..to the gods td... i need to pump up the volume a bit more...

I'm am begining to feel more comfortable drawing the human body.. so i just go with it..and i allready see my errors.. the thing i need to do more anatomy study..to understand how the body fits...

cause alot of the times.. when i do anatomy study.. i have to remeber how the muscles fit on the body..the indentations that they body makes..
ah well..any tips is greatful

Anid Maro thank you for checking my sb out...
*smiles* i got to post my message to you in your sb :) your better not puss out me ^_^ *cracks a whip

Cause i'm going all out...NOOOOOOOO MERCY!!!!

Grooveholmes

January 16th, 2007, 12:16 AM

Make sure to make good use of refs WhiteRose.
Also, try to draw out the entire figure in a few seconds very lightly without pressing too hard on the page. They can just be scribbles, but you want to just loosely set a framework for yourself of where things go on the page. Next, go back over your light lines with harder more deliberate marks. Keep in mind that you dont want to Trace your light lines, but merely use them as a guide. If the lighter lines are in the correct spot then trace over it :) but if it's not in the right spot it lets you know where NOT to put your bolder line and you're one step closer to having everything fit.

I hope all this makes sense, goodluck!

Grim Reaper

January 16th, 2007, 07:05 AM

Hi Rose, I like your scientific aproach to art and I think this is one of two ways of getting it. Two different aproaches - the way of the mind, which you practise with great success, and the way of the heart, which is what I do. The problem is you will get there wherever you want to get and I propably won't. I'd have to posess so called 'ultimate talent' 'coz life is hard work mostly and you work very hard. I don't. Nothing comes free...
I like those sketches very much and have a lot of respect, as you are the person who told me to create a sketchbook.
Come and have a look at it sometimes.
Look for Grim Reaper's Dark Art Sketchbook.

White Rose

January 20th, 2007, 09:29 PM

no comment.. fustrating.......

chaosrocks

January 20th, 2007, 09:32 PM

hey rosey
I think its time to dive in...you've gotten really good at dipping you toes in to the art ocean to test the water....
Jump darling, sink or swim.... be brave be bold.. god of war TD is a great place to start. Its violent and chaotic....
these drawinga re good... but timid

I have tequila..... would it help?

kisses
Chaos

JERI

January 21st, 2007, 02:08 AM

Don't worry about it WhiteRose, Rome wasn't built in one day. Yes, Rome was slow because it was a government job but my point is at least you're not standing still.

You might wanna try Jack Hamm's drawing the head and figure too if you haven't yet. It talks about the same principles as Loomis, but the letters are bigger and more spaced out so you might have an easier time reading it.

Keep it up.

Grim Reaper

January 21st, 2007, 04:25 PM

White Rose

January 23rd, 2007, 08:43 PM

You know White Rose, I've been thinking about what you post here and all there is are exercises in drawing human body, perspective etc. but there is nothing really gripping. I mean it's all good and wonderful that you take all those books so seriously but what about some finished art?Creativness? Do you ever actually do something for which you'd use all the knowledge you gain? I'd like to see how it puts into life....
Theory- perfect. Practical use- I don't know 'coz there is nothing here, maybe that last picture of a lady but her hands are a bit funny and it's not even rendered...

I know every one is gonna hate me for that but I'm not impressed.
I'm making mistakes, but it's ok as you said, but you don't even make those mistakes because all you do is those little pictures... You don't attempt to reach for what it's all about- art.

Let your mind loose, use your imagination.
Maybe it won't look perfect... but at least it'll be yours.
Don't be afraid of losing a battle. We all have to fight and lose battles. Otherwise before you are finished getting ready for it the war will be long gone...

Ok, You can start hating me now.
All of you.

Grim Reaper
No reason to hate you.. and you need to stop thinking that way ...
You just called out the truth. Who am i to preach when I dont do anything at all. Its my own consequence if i dont follow my own advice.

So yeah.. i let it go... -_-;; I hate making mistakes.. but whatver.. i dont understand..this.. wasnt sure how far i can go with this one..actualy i do know what i want to add.. but not sure how to put it in.

ah well here is the first part of it.

I wanted it to be a girl sitting down waiting for the bus stop. in the back ground there a couple of shops.. as well as you see cars comming down the path... -_-;;;

White Rose

January 23rd, 2007, 11:30 PM

well looks like today was a good day for me.. did two things.. just to get out of my system before going to bed..feel free to critique

White Rose

January 25th, 2007, 09:02 PM

trying to get my blood flowing....

White Rose

January 25th, 2007, 09:18 PM

trying to get my blood flowing....

chaosrocks

January 25th, 2007, 09:21 PM

nice .. how can such a simple drawing look so sad. Beautifully expressive.

more more!
chaos

Sirio_Brozzi

January 25th, 2007, 09:25 PM

Really like the lineart on that last piece Rose. :) Hope you continue with the bus stop pic, its a nice idea and already has a bit of atmosphere to it. Keep it up.

Lee W

January 25th, 2007, 09:57 PM

that last post looks great :) well proportioned , see, you can do it. All those studies are coming together :) just keep taking those baby steps and before you know it, you will be taking off running.

Grim Reaper

January 25th, 2007, 10:07 PM

My brother who has always been great artist and a mentor to me told me once that when making comments about a piece of art you should always mention at least one good thing and one bad thing about it, as even the greatest pieces of art have their downsides. Also- the worst ones have their good points.
A lot of people around here totally butter you up I've noticed...

Well, here we go:
>>>>>GOOD THINGS<<<<
Colours on that picture of the face are good, cold tones, not too bright(which is often my mistake). Anatomically I'd have to say, correct. Good proportions.
>>>>>BAD THINGS<<<<<
Liveless, merely a 5 mins sketch, a base for a picture but who said you have to build your drawings around that anatomically correct skeleton?There is a million ways to do it and you should always choose the one you feel most comfortable with. And I can see you tied yourself with fear, that pointless obsession to do it right, as the book says. It doesn't matter what the bloody book says!!! This is art. Art is freedom. Freedom gives inspiration. You can criticise me for creepiness on all my pictures, fair comment, but do you really think that a girl on the bus stop and people doing shopping in the background will make people's jaws drop? Especially at that angle you started doing it, it seems quite dull to me... It's the idea that matters, it's what you give to the viewer.
About that correctness- does it really matter that much if the character's arm is a little too short or too long? Does it really matter if the lighting is perfect or the shading is as it should be? There is such thing as licentia poetica, the artist's own way of describing reality. I believe it can all anatomically be wrong but as long as it's interesting there is a good piece of art in front of you.
Let's create worlds within the world. Even reflection of the world in the drop of water is different, changed... Make your art your own way of perceiving reality, not a battle with that stupid book of yours to which by the way you really put me off...

Ok.Cheerio. Now go back to work and rock my socks off with the next post:)

Oh and visit my sb sometimes and kick my ass too:
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1189512#post1189512

Anid Maro

January 30th, 2007, 05:32 PM

I think Grim Reaper's got some good advice. It is good to learn fundamentals and the correct anatomy, rules of perspective, et cetera. But also remember, the whole point of learning all of the "rules" of drawing is so you can break them in the best way possible. :)

So yeah, learn all the academic stuff, but don't be afraid to do your own thing.

As a side note, I find that I just really like this image here (http://conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34038&stc=1&d=1160456281).

Sure, it's not perfect, but I have to say that look on her face is just great. That look on it's own conveys so much of how she feels, and the feel of the image as a whole frankly.

You say it's gonna be a WIP, which is great. It's good to challenge yourself, and don't worry about screwing it up. Worst case scenario is that you learn from any mistakes you might make. But that's okay because the point is to learn, is it not? :)

Phoenix-09

February 2nd, 2007, 05:27 PM

Hi there White Rose! It's great to see such enthusiasm with drawing! I remember studying anatomy and different techniques like CRAZY and I still find it -very- difficult to pull something out of my head. I highly recommend you read about artist thinking processes, so you can understand the importance of reference material when creating something new. All these studies are very good and very important for drawing things from your imagination only, but remember the greatest artworks usually use a reference. I'd have to say most artists I know who don't use references are very much used to proportioning and positioning bodies from their minds and as such have a very good understanding of the human body - which the learned from BOTH anatomy books studies and applying that knowledge when they did, for example, a life drawing or a drawing from photography.

There are also many ways to skin a cat, so to speak - you can approach drawing in a number of ways. Some people prefer to do it line-by-line, in fact my art teacher taught me to draw everything with a rough guideline and then to compare each line against the last lines I drew, but this can be limiting. The more detailed your guide is, and the more accurate, the less you will have to worry about each line being accurate. Does that make sense?

I think that Grim Reaper is on the right track but what really needs to be said is that (I think) you are too timid. If you want to learn something really fast, then do quickfire studies (drawing something in under five minutes), gestural studies, straight up tonal studies, things that will break down the barriers of your own self confidence and teach you that yes you can make a pretty picture of a bowl of flowers in under 5 minutes!

Also, undergo a serious art project. Try to make a portrait as best as you can, and push the materials. Find out what happens if you use certain materials in different ways. For example, try to draw/paint a watermelon (or something as simple) in 10 different approaches to see the results. A serious art project will teach you a lot more because you will have a sense of discovery and will discover things by complete accident as you hone the skill into something brand new.

I know my SB doesn't really back up a lot of my claims but this is always the mindset I have and I think it is really helping me to realise my goals and other creative ideas I've saved for when I get a handle on my materials a bit more.

Hope that helps and keep your head up high!

~Phoenix