Despair

[Sady]

Men´s Mystery.
Men is mortal, and doomed to death and failure and loss.
Why do you not despair?

So... why?

[Ned]

This in itself is a delusion due to a sort of tiredness, a collapse of perception if you will. You know like someone who has had enough of something then tells everyone else it is stupid.
Existentialism huh?

[waronmars]

Despair is for emos and goths.

[Ned]

.......? I'm sorry WTF are you talking about?
Care to expand on that bud?

[derelic7]

because there are more fun things to do

[light]

Theres no failure in death...
























Unless youre goth.

[waronmars]

I would, but I'm fresh out of psuedo-intellectual BS.

[light]

I would, but I'm fresh out of psuedo-intellectual BS.
Youre unbalancing my shakra with you nega-waves.

[fionkell]

Youre unbalancing my shakra with you nega-waves.

It's chakra, man. Chakra. Not that I really care ;)

On topic, I'm too lazy for despair. Why bother?

[Simonl]

What was the question again?

[Ned]

I would, but I'm fresh out of psuedo-intellectual BS.
you never knew any, that's all kid. And what sort of topic is this any way? you can't really expect an intelligent response from the same old lounge Troglodytes now can you..8)

[Shamagim]

you never knew any, that's all kid. And what sort of topic is this any way? you can't really expect an intelligent response from the same old lounge Troglodytes now can you..8)


You are planning on being a dirty 400 pound bitch all the way...aren´t you?

An intelligent person knows how to lead a conversation, you however are still bitter about losing an argument, wish if you were as intelligent as you claim, would have won.

Please NED, shut up and draw.

[Ned]

hahaha nice. I'll be back though... you'll see

[Simonl]

mmmm....dirty 400 pound bitch....yummy...

[Carnifex]

Despair is for emos and goths.
plus war's not a man.
and it clearly says "MEN's mystery"

as for myself.i despair way too often but more because of my art and financial loss.

[dfacto]

Well lets see.

I'm not dead: check
I'm not a failure: check
I'm haven't lost anything: check


I'll despair when I'm dead.

[Cthogua]

Well the arguement goes:

Oh woe and sadness! Life is meaningless and death inevitable. We are all born to die, beauty destined to decay, and all that waits at the end is a clammy hole in the ground.

Response: Yes, you are correct on each statement. Life is meaningless and death inevitable...ok take a deep breath...now you can move on from that. The ones who dispair are the ones who cannot see beyond those statements. Our lives have no fated purpose...Wonderful, you are not bound to some prescripted trajectory. You create your own purpose and meaning that is applicable to you. Death is inevitable...yup, just like being born, everyone dies. It could be in 10 minutes it could be in a 100 years...wallowing in despair over something inevitable seems like a pretty enourmous, self-satisfying waste of mental energy to me. I believe the Dali Lama said, "If you cannot do anythingto change a situation, there is no need to worry about it. If you can do something to change it, then there is also no reason to worry. It seems existential despiar stems from getting hung up on the intransigence of beauty and human life. Life itself is far from intransigent and seems to cling on in almost impossible situations (like the 700 degree water spewing from the black smoker chimneys on the bottom of the ocean) So accepting that it will be gone, why not celebrate it while its here? Sure good things never last, but niether do bad things, everything passes.

From Albert Camus' "The Myth of Sysiphus"

"One always finds one's burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night filled mountain, in itself forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."

[Snarfevs]

Of course what you don't know is that Cthogua is driven by the terror of the prospect of the Great Old Ones eating his soul.

[edit]

But yes, it was a great post.
My suggestion to the thread starter - read Carl Sagan's work and realise just how beautiful the spiral of existence is.

[Kian]

Great post Cthogua. Some very cool quotes in there. Gives people who lie on their ass all day no excuses not to be drawing!

[Lady Medusa]

I'm glad I'm mortal. I'd hate being immortal.
We all fail many times before we succses.
We all loose something we like, during our lifetime, might be people we care about or objects were particularly fond of.
I see no reason to derpair, so I don't :)

[dogfood]

Cure for despair: the optimism/pessimism that it can always be worse.

Other things to consider:
Annoying people will also die
Ugly will fade, too
Living forever = paying taxes forever


Death is just nature's way of telling you to slow down.

Oh, and failing shouldn't be a cause for concern. Failing and not learning from it, however, should cause great distress.

[NoSeRider]

Men´s Mystery.
Men is mortal, and doomed to death and failure and loss.
Why do you not despair?


Personally, I think men have personality disorders.

I'd rather be around women.

[Imp Head]

Shit. At first glance I thought this was an entire thread about me.

[Phaethon]

Modernism: Have we reached the limits of human achievement?

Post-Modernism: We have reached the limits of human achievement and nothing matters, so why bother?

Post-Post-Modernism: We have reached the limits of human achievement and nothing matters, but who cares! We're here so let's keep going!

[Jason Rainville]

Isn't that a bit of Elder Scrolls lore? A letter from a Dremora to a mortal man if I'm not mistaken.

http://til.gamingsource.net/book_daedra/

Scroll down to orange text, last few lines. Since it's written by a being that will never know true death or true loss, I think the argument that we should despair because we will eventually feel loss is moot.

[darkos]

despair=bad:nohope:
drinks, sex, painting=good:hatsoff:

[Blahm]

cure for despair = punch a goth in the head.

[Elwell]

Shit. At first glance I thought this was an entire thread about me.
Took me a while...

[darth massacre]

If death, loss and failures are absolutes, then why despair? Because you'll still fail, lose and die whether or not you waste your life away in despair. Everytime you succeed, win and escape death...its an "up yours" at the big guy. That's what's fun in life.


Weather is good, go out and get some sun.....and don't think so much :D

[Sady]

Isn't that a bit of Elder Scrolls lore? A letter from a Dremora to a mortal man if I'm not mistaken.

Yes it is. You win. :D


I don´t think we´re necessarily mortal.
Loss is relative. Considering you come into life with nothing, you have nothing to lose.
And failure is definetly not certain too.

Well, I disagree with all that so don´t see any reason to despair.
But I like to ask such questions anyway.

I agree with dfacto. 8P

[Jason Rainville]

Loss, despair, failure... these are terms that not only mankind created, but ideas that we create that differ GREATLY from person to person.

One person's loss is another's gain, one person's death means another can live.

But the idea of life itself is something we've created and have yet to clearly define. Throughout our time here we're constantly dying, and what we do that helps us live also helps us die.

Is there a universal element that facilitates the creation of life? A soul? Some magical, etheral substance that delivers us from nothingness?

I think that conciousness is an emergant property of the combining of several systems of control that react to certain stimuli. If my theory is correct, then we are more than the sum of our parts and are rather independant from our parts. Though that may seem to indicate the existance of a soul, being an emergant property if one or more of the systems (or all of them) cease to function, the equation doesn't add up, and the sum of our parts does not exist. WE would cease to exist.

Where does that leave us then? If we are only the child of the many systems of our own bodies and have no substance that bears our conciousness should we despair? I don't think so.

Our existance is based upon an incredible miracle; a spark, a spirit, a soul, a conciousness that was created through the connection of mundate elements. We should rejoice that we (whatever 'we' can now be classified as) were given this chance to experience the universe at all.

I really didn't want to go this far, but I had to get my ideas out sometime...

[Ilaekae]

There can be no such thing as despair as long as there are enough complete assholes around that you can choke the shit out of and leave in people's recycle bins with smilie faces drawn on their bellies.

With that in mind, I fully expect to die so happy I'll be laughing uncontrollably.

[Ned]

Don't worry I'll switch your oxygen tank with laughing gas, choke you then wheel you out of the folks home in a recycle bin if that's what's gotta be done. Och!

And there's always going to be a fog of despair around you, may as well just live with it..or die with it. And that's the bottom line:D

[light]

Are you still talking?

[waronmars]

Did I get called a troglodyte?

[Hyver]

Ned - just wanna inform you that you're one step away from being banned.

[Steph Laberis]

Don't ban him yet Hyver - I've been starting up a collection of Ned's rude, uninformed and otherwise abrasive comments. Let me get a few more so that when he does make that final straw of a thoughtlessly antagonistic comment, we can post the collection in the very thread from which he was banned.

Tempted to close this thread since it's once more degraded to an argue-with-Ned thread...

Edit: Closed. Back to drawing!