moral issues

[jock13]

my first post

when do you{reader} think nudity goes to far ,
in other words were is the line drawn?

[Rascar Capac]

when there are farm animals involved

[jock13]

hu?
come on i was being serious

[Elwell]

Is there some way we can block people from starting debate/opinion threads in the lounge as their first posts?

[jock13]

sorry im new here

[asoir]

IMO, it depends if there's any point to it, if its a situation where the person WOULD be naked, who cares? if you don't like it in general, i dont think you should be in art.

[jock13]

what does ''Level 1 Gladiator: Andabatae'' mean?

[jock13]

it just seems some of these threads
have nudity at random
sometimes its just strange.

[asoir]

it just seems some of these threads
have nudity at random
sometimes its just strange.
which section? finished or sketchbook?

[Alcian]

I dont think there is anything wrong with nudity in an artistic sense. Its all about the context - but then I could be offended by fully clothed people if the the context is inappropriate. The nude figure is the basis of figure drawing, so one should expect to see it on an art forum.

[Simon.Rain]

when there are farm animals involved


I m sorry Jock13 his comment made me laugh so hard

but view it this way, nudity cant go too far... as soon as all the clothes are gone, it cant go further. But what I think you are talking about is sexuality and this is all up to the viewer. As for the general public, depend on which palce or which community you show it to. Show a real life drawing of a nude you did in art class to a mormon and they will tell you that you ll need to wash all those sins away by praising the lord.. so you see, lust is ok but not the full complete deal...

but anyway, this is a concept art based forum so focus on creating interresting designs and have fun

[jock13]

''I dont think that there is anything wrong with nudity in an artistic sense. Its all about the context - but then I could be offended by fully clothed people if the the context is inappropriate.''

ditto

[Interceptor]

It's not just art as a means of people "expressing" themselves. If someone is going to pay you good money to paint a female barbarian with nipple rings, that's business.

[aesir]

Actually the "when farm animals are involved" would probably be where I draw the line to. (also scat pr0n, midget gang bangs, and pedophile shit would probably be a bit too out there for me too.)

[Elwell]

Farm animals are always nude.

[lavhoes]

Is it bad I've become numb to the dirty looks I get from people when I'm browsing CA or doodlin' around with some figure drawing when I'm out in public and on my laptop?

[Alcian]

Is it bad I've become numb to the dirty looks I get from people when I'm browsing CA or doodlin' around with some figure drawing when I'm out in public and on my laptop?

Haha, I know what your talking about.

[dogfood]

I may be way out in left field (I have a cabin there), but this sounds far more of a cultural issue than a moral one. Is it immoral to be nude? It's certainly publicly unacceptable in many cultures (not mine), but I don't think it's actually immoral.

It's a hang-up.



Like driving mopeds to high school.

[Tobin]

I may be way out in left field (I have a cabin there), but this sounds far more of a cultural issue than a moral one. Is it immoral to be nude? It's certainly publicly unacceptable in many cultures (not mine), but I don't think it's actually immoral.

It's a hang-up.



Like driving mopeds to high school.


I'd agree with that, although I do think driving mopeds to school is immoral.

[JERI]

when there are farm animals involved

I dunno dude, this one ain't bad.
http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~snlrc/britannia/flowers/godgifu.jpg

[NikitaDarkstar]

I may be way out in left field (I have a cabin there), but this sounds far more of a cultural issue than a moral one. Is it immoral to be nude? It's certainly publicly unacceptable in many cultures (not mine), but I don't think it's actually immoral.

It's a hang-up.



Like driving mopeds to high school.

I'd have to agree... and mopeds should be freakin illegal *has lost count of the number of times she or her dogs has almost been run over by kids on mopeds*

Anyway I guess I draw the line on this certain issue where it goes from beeing just nudity to porn.. I don't mind nudity or intimate situations but pure porn? nah I have a hard time seeing that as art...

[Elwell]

I dunno dude, this one ain't bad.

It's OK, 'cause the horse is wearing clothes.

[Ilaekae]

What the fuck does nudity have to do with anything? It just IS. It sounds like you're trying to start a fight over porn, or some sort of sexual hangup, neither of which requires nudity. If that's what you want to do, do it.

Nudity is simply the state of being without artificial covering. Stating that is somehow bad/evil/unnatural is the same as calling someone's mother, wife or baby daughter a because she's nude at the time. What I would be considered is probably worth death by burning alive or at least 30 years in solitary.

I'm a little aggressive and pissed off here because I'm sick and tired of something as beautiful as the act of creating art being denigrated or made questionable or non-mainstream because somebody has the perverted attitude (usually religious) that knowledge of nipples and penises existing is an automatic ticket to eternal damnation.

[jock13]

Anyway I guess I draw the line on this certain issue where it goes from beeing just nudity to porn.. I don't mind nudity or intimate situations but pure porn? nah I have a hard time seeing that as art...[/QUOTE]
alright were is the line i guess that depends on the person.

[le capitan]

most nudity in this site is tasteful. I do find it quite humorous how some threads contain the word NUDITY on it. "come one, come all" Also i do realise its kinda a warning to the younger audience, but still. and who cares. everyone likes naked people. whoever the hell invented clothes....

[Rascar Capac]

It's OK, 'cause the horse is wearing clothes.

Now THATS funny

[sone_one]

haha great answers elwell

anyway... i dont even care if its porn ... if its drawn well and someone had to draw it... why not... who am i to judge?

what i dislike are rigid mindsets, people who take everything possible as an excuse to avoid learning to become better at art ... like... "wow its showing a nipple ... alone for that it is art... and even more important : it is good... cause its so rebellious". or manga or whatever....

theres no excuse for not trying as hard as you can ... and theres no fault in expressing yourself (even if it is considered as porn by a majority).

[Partialartist]

Heh. I just had an interesting little discussion about this on EP, sparked by my recent interest in nudism. I'll leave most of my views out of this, but Ilaekae's reminded me of something funny.

I'm a little aggressive and pissed off here because I'm sick and tired of something as beautiful as the act of creating art being denigrated or made questionable or non-mainstream because somebody has the perverted attitude (usually religious) that knowledge of nipples and penises existing is an automatic ticket to eternal damnation.

Now, here's what the pope had to say on the matter.

Sexual modesty cannot then in any simple way be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelessness with the absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness. There are circumstances in which total nakedness is not immodest....Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical shamelessness. Immodesty is only present when nakedness plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person...The human body is not in itself shameful, nor for the same reasons are sensual reactions, and human sensuality in general. Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function of the interior of the individual.

Pope John-Paul II

[sone_one]

Sexual modesty cannot then in any simple way be identified with the use of clothing, nor shamelessness with the absence of clothing and total or partial nakedness. There are circumstances in which total nakedness is not immodest....Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical shamelessness. Immodesty is only present when nakedness plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person...The human body is not in itself shameful, nor for the same reasons are sensual reactions, and human sensuality in general. Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function of the interior of the individual.

Pope John-Paul II

yet another way to say nothing by using a lot of words...

[DavePalumbo]

It's OK, 'cause the horse is wearing clothes.

Tristan just took things up a notch

but hey, has anybody noticed that a sure fire way to increase views of your art in the "it's finished" secion is to include the word "nudity" in the title? It can even say "no nudity" and people are like "whoa, for some reason I'm compelled to look into this further..."

[squidmonk3j]

stop updating this thread, plx....it's absurd and must die.

[Simon.Rain]

it is absurd but Elwell s comment made it worth while =P

[Pixeldragoon]

So did dogfoods.

And about the Pope;

They didn't say "Most religious people damn nudity", they said "Most people who damn nudity use religious reasoning."

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[0kelvin]

I think the real question is at what point does clothing go too far?

Do you realise that over 2 million people are killed every year by clothing and clothing-related accidents? The clothing industry spends over $4 billion per year for advertising. Successfully peddling their fire-prone garb requires all of the tricks of big business; aggressive advertising, legal action to silence critics, donations to ensure the support of politicians and manipulating scientific evidence to confuse consumers.

The average American usually begins wearing clothing before they're one week old! The clothing industry uses every insidious tactic in the book to hook children to their product before they even develop basic motor skills! Research has shown a dramatic and disturbing rise in teenage clothing use over the last twenty years. Teenagers are buying more clothes than ever before!

The main material used to manufacture clothing is cotton, the same material used in fishing nets that kill thousands of dolphins every year. A grown man can be strangled to death with a cotton cord no more than 6 inches long! The average shirt contains enough cotton to strangle 7000 grown men! And we dress our children in these deathrags!

Nearly every patient diagnosed with breast, colon or prostate cancer over the last twenty years have been long-time, habitual clothing users!

99.6% of criminals in America last year were arrested while wearing one or more pieces of clothing!

Obviously we are sending a very dangerous message when we depict glorified clothed figures in our art. Where do we draw the line?


0kelvin

[sone_one]

hahahaha golden okelvin

[JustinBeckett]

yeah props okelvin lol.

[_Mario]

Is there some way we can block people from starting debate/opinion threads in the lounge as their first posts?It should be easy to just remove the start topic button from the interface for everyone who has less than 50 (or something) posts. This should probably be restricted to the lounge and not the whole forum because if someone registers to just post a job offering then they probably don't have time for 50 posts until they can finally do what they wanted.

[Latu]

most nudity in this site is tasteful. I do find it quite humorous how some threads contain the word NUDITY on it. "come one, come all" Also i do realise its kinda a warning to the younger audience, but still. and who cares. everyone likes naked people. whoever the hell invented clothes....

White people invented clothes cause they lived in freaken cold places. Ironic seeing as they make up most of the nudist colonies.

[N D Hill]

I find it funny how the issue of nudity always seems to surpass the concern for our culture's fixation with violence. The horrific concept of the unclad human form! The very idea that parents would allow their adolescent kids to play GTA: San Andreas (and believe me, you'd be surprised by how many there are)... Untill that hot coffee mod came out and corrupted the good clean fun of killing civilians. Untill people stop ignoring rating systems and realize that not everything is made for or should be accessable to everyone, arguments like these have no merrit. Because we all know the age old, seemingly air-tight rebuttle "if it offends you, don't look at it" is too much to expect. Believe me, I draw lines and things do offend me. I just don't see the point in imposing my expectations on people with different moral standards than myself as these "lines" are always subjective. Why is it okay for national geographic to show the breasts of women in a tribal setting but not in a western setting?

[waronmars]

Man I don't care how tasteful it is... if marko draws 50 naked midgets having anal sex with goats I'll still love it.


not that he would...or would he?

[Wetterschneider]

he would

[Elwell]

Yeah, but all the midget bestio-sodomy fans would get their noses all out of joint about it.

[Wetterschneider]

fuck them, they deserve it

[Partialartist]

So did dogfoods.

And about the Pope;

They didn't say "Most religious people damn nudity", they said "Most people who damn nudity use religious reasoning."

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I was saying I though it was funny that there are people who would use religious reasoning damn nudity, when the premier authority on the religion didn't feel the need to do so. It says something about those people's understandings of their religions.

[NoSeRider]

when do you{reader} think nudity goes to far ,
in other words were is the line drawn?

Chubbies and Spreads?

I think whatever you see at Black's Beach, nude beach, is fine.......maybe.

[Shamagim]

Funny thread :).

Tho i dont get why a line must be drawn when it comes to the context of a drawing, if anyone is morally, religiously or politically offended by a picture´s content, then is in his responsability to aboid it, and is the responsability of the author to warn any sensitive person about it.

[markwagner]

As you can see, drawing lines are what artists do.

My favorite - made me laught.
"Farm animals are always nude."

~M

[DavePalumbo]

I find it funny how the issue of nudity always seems to surpass the concern for our culture's fixation with violence

puritan culture, what can you do? Jannet Jackson's boob was a shocking traumatic event, but the violent football game and ensuing riots are commonplace.

[waronmars]

It wasn't even a very big boob.

[Ned]

Well, he did unite you all in a thread for the lowest common denominator..

[Spacemanchuck]

Its all in the context of the art you are creating and for what you are creating it for. If you were to post some hardcore erotic works here, it would not be the place to post it. But if you were in say an erotic art show where that is the theme it would be.

I've done work that would not be appropriate for these forums for like reasons. Its not work I would normaly do on my own but it showed me that my creative ability stretches past what I knew they could be. And maybe that Im alittle sicker than I thought.

Remember, in art there are no boundrys, because what you can create is only as far as your minds eye can see.

[MarkHarchar]

If you shower with your socks on, does that count as being nude?

[DavePalumbo]

If you shower with your socks on, does that count as being nude?

yes, unless the socks are on your genitals Red Hot Chili Peppers style