Outislanders

[AleksandarMijajlovic]

This is done for Robin Hobb “Assassin’s apprentice” book one of ‘The farseer trilogy”. As usual I use a couple of photo references, but this time cloak was done by my self, from head.

I would be very thankful to hear more critics this time...

So, here it is:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2739/outislanders8hi.jpg

[Manga Sprai]

i just really like the rendering of the sky

dont like much the water, tough

[onionface]

sky is cool,
water is cool in the distance, and the closest wave catches the skylight nicley. I know how hard water is to pull off. puddles look good.
perhaps the sand could look more wet in places.

the coat needs work. get some reference if you have to.
although the fabric is blowing it should hang from his shoulders,
The wrinkles and folds will follow form.

are you hiding his feet?
looks like it.

[King Kull]

Aleksandre,

dobra ti je slika, bolja od 50% slika koje se postuju ovde, ali lik ti izgleda malo "siromasno".
Ovaj zelandjanin ima pravo sto se tice ogrtaca i stopala.
Moja sugestija ti je da gledas u pravi ogrtac, ako imas slican, ili da nadjes slicnu sliku ili fotografiju.Nije zlo kopirati od drugih dok se sam ne usavrsis.
Ako vec nemas, potrazi u nasim knjizarama "Anatomiju za umetnike" Forum Jugoslovenska knjiga, kosta oko 4000 din, bice ti od velike koristi.
Jos jedna moja sugestija ti je da nikad "ovako" ocigledno ne zaklanjas stopala posto ce vecina "ostrookih", a pogotovo profija da pomisli da ne znas da crtas stopala (ili vec nesto drugo)
Uvek je bolje da se potrudis malo vise, pa makar i da iskopiras druge nego da te kritikuju zbog sitnica.
(Pogotovo na ovakvim sajtovima gde osim nekolicine zaista sjajnih profesionalaca vecinu cine kojekakvi strani klinci sa svojim skrabotinama i dugackim jezicima.
BTW, i tvoje prosle slike su zaista bile dobre i krivo mi je kad vidim da privlace manje paznje od "dela" kojekakvih "pajsera" kojih ovde ima napretek.
Mada i mene muce slicne stvari.

[dogfood]

OK, that's kind of uncool. A lot of people would like to know what you are commenting on.

It might be useful to more than just a few hundred people.

[King Kull]

to dogfood,

Ha, ha, ha...
Well, it's really strange to comunicate with you only in threads with other people's pieces but since you are here, let it be.Considering author's name he has to be my country-man, so I felt a great need to speak to him in our mother's tongue.
And since you noticed that: " lot of people would like to know what you are commenting on..." I said to Aleksandar that it's a shame that he has only few hundreds of visits to his pieces."
It was only a sign that he's not alone here...
Don't worry, I'll post in english any time I think it is crucial.
(or you can learn serbian if you want to know completely EVERYTHING I said)

[nonie]

If the post is meant for only one person to read, you could easily have pmed him...

As for the pic, I agree that you should have used tome reference for the cloak. The water in the foreground looks like it's sliding off to the side, like the ground isn't level. You could make the lantern the guy is holding look more like it's lighting up, too - it'll draw the eye down there.

[King Kull]

To nonie,

Well, in every moment on every page of this forums you can see many posts in spanish between latino americans, french between frenchmen , turkish and etc. It is normal cause this site is attracting many people all over the world and I really don't see what's the problem here, especially considering a fact that Aleksandar's work doesn't attract many people to his thread.(which is a bit unfair cause I saw this one and some of his previous pieces and I think he's got something to present)So I didn't find any reason to post my answer as a personal message and since webmaster is not offended, I don't see why anyone else can be.

Soon I'll release my new picture here and you two are welcome to give your notions but in this thread, "please don't critise what you can't understand".
(Like Dylan said)
And if you are so curious, I told him not to hide figure's ancles even it's too hard to draw those correctly cause many spectators will notice if you're trying to hide something that obvious.I also suggested him to buy human anatomy atlas from famous hungarian art proffesor Barcsay Jeno which can be easily found here (in serbia) for 50$, if he doesn't have one or similar.
I'm 30 years old and really don't want to empty chat or argue in here, with anyone, so please in all future threads where we meet can we stick to the theme of the thread?
Thanks.

[dogfood]

Oh, I want to argue even less (I'm 39, you see), I was just pointing out that many people who frequent these boards aren't comfortable posting their own images and rely on reading posts about other folks' work in order to gain some knowledge.

I apologize, Aleksandar.

I haven't been able to see your image until just now (my system here is unreliable with regard to showing images).

I agree with Kull. It actually appears as though you tried to hide the feet and ankles. In addition, the proportions seem unaturally weighted to a long torso, as if you painted the guy with the poncho on (vice naked, then clothing him).

The sky is beautiful and the beach and rocks are also very nice, but the sea seems rather higher in value than I would have imagined it.

Overall, this is really lush, but the figure irregularities are hurting it.

[AleksandarMijajlovic]

Onionface – you are right about cloak. And not I’m trying to hide his feet and ankles. Thanks for comment.

Nonie – well, and you are right about cloak to… As for the water, I can’t get what you are saying, but thanks anyway…

Dogfood – No I’m not trying to hide his feet. Maybe better solution would be to ad shadow on rock behind him, to blend it more together. And you are right about cloak…
I get same feeling about water value, that is somewhat higher then it should be…
Thanks!

And now I will switch to my mother's tongue. I don’t now why some folks make problem with this… Or actually question is why they don’t make problem to more “bigger names”. I’ mean I have seen here a bunch of posts on French… So…

King kull – naporni ovi stranci…
Kolega ilustrator il’ nesto drugo?
Moram priznati da lik stvarno izgleda “siromasno”, ali stvarno nisam mogao da nadjem referencu. Nemam problem sa kopiranjem drugih ( ionako to svi radimo manje vise) ali kad nema onda nema. Pa sam presao na rucnu varijantu, u cemu nisam dobar… Sledeci put.
Ahh, legendarna “Anatomiju za umetnike"… Moglo bi se reci da imam “knigu”. Proveo sam neko vreme u biblioteci, kopirajuci (mislim crtati). Ali nije toliko problem u anatomiji koliko u tom ogrtacu.
Stvarno, nisam namerno sakrio noge., mada I meni sad odavde deluje tako. Mozda bi senka stvarno “spojila" strvari.

Hvala ti na “podrsci”. Kad saljes slike?

[VeSeljak]

Pa kad je slajvlje nek je svetkovina......:)

It's looking very nice, it seems a little monochromatic with predominately blue color but then again I am a little color blind.....:)

[King Kull]

To "Zemljaci":

Pricaj brate srpski da te ceo svet razume! (ili "Kad je veselje nek je i pecenje!")

Sto se tice podrske, ja branim sve koji imaju nekakvu umetnicku vrednost, a pogotovo evropljane posto vecina ovih amera je tolika napaljena na "marvelovski stil" crtanja da ja nemam reci.Nazalost, veoma lako se primecuje da ovim forumom pokusava da nadvlada jedan stil crtanja/slikanja koje forsira to neko jezgro u kome ima i sjajnih ilustratora, ali i masa cistih aplaudera koji me ponajvise nerviraju.
Inace ovaj tip zvani "psecahrana" i "sublerka" (ovi dvoje sto se bune oko jezika) su se nakacili na mene, stvarno ne znam zasto, i gde god ja dam nekakav komentar odmah su iza mene.Lepo je imati publiku, ali poceli su da me smaraju.
Mozes vec da nadjes moju sliku 'Baron Batt & his butchers" koju sam okacio pre dve nedelje, a imam i neke jednoroge koje sam radio jos ranije, mozes da ih vidis preko opcije -view all posts by king kull-
Trenutno radim slicnu sliku kao sto je ova prethodna i da se nisam zaigrao zadnju nedelju oblivionom, verovatno bi je vec i zavrsio.Bice ove nedelje pretpostavljam.

[Ray Dillon]

I really love this composition! Great colors.

I don't consider myself enough of a painter to really critique (or get my points across well), but here's what I see. Some of the figure, mainly the edges, seems a bit ... blotchy? Does that make any sense? Like the edges could have been a bit more crisp and the rendering a bit more smooth. Hard to say exactly, but there's something there.

But, that is totally nitpicky. This is gorgeous!!!

[AleksandarMijajlovic]

VeSeljak - Gle! Jos jedan… Thanks for comment.

King Kull - Nisam stekao utisak da je “psecahrana” tolko los lik, ali ko bi ga znao…Hajde malo ubrzaj slikanje…

Ray Dillon - It doesn’t matter if you are painter or not. The opinion of “ordinary” (no better word across my mind) people is also important. Of course painters look quite different at things but still… Thanks for comment.

[Nokill]

its a nice peace only im missing something in it it might be the drawed look especially on the cape but the rocks water and the sky has a nice feeling to it