Chicks who draw chicks: CA Calendar (discussion moving to girls-only forum!)

[Steph Laberis]

Hey everyone! This idea was spawned in the Girls-Only TD thread and I thought it might need a little more discussion.

The idea is that the girls of Concept Art could collaborate on a calendar, each participant creating a finished illustration for one or two months (of the calendar), depending on the number of artists. The proposed idea for the calendar would be "Chicks who Draw Chicks" (title probably will change) and it's a way for the girls here to take the reins and show off their takes on the women of the sci-fi and fantasy world.

There seems to be a dead tie for those who support the idea and those who are against it. I'd be curious to hear thoughts from both view points to see if this would be a worthwhile project (though, even if there's a lot of negative feedback, it might come to fruition anyway if enough girls here still want to work on it ;) )

My original intent would be to portray women in a positive, sexy light - ya know, like pin ups were intended to. This can be as softcore or innocent as you like, or as assertive and blatant as you see fit. Nudity is of course ok, but nothing exceding the NC-17 mark.

So far, these artists who have shown interest:

[B]
The Fab 15:

-Magicgoo
-Fixx
-Poise
-Qitsune
-Steph
-Yumiko
-Bluefooted
-Tully
-AngryScientist
-Molly
-Egerie
-Quicksilver
-Artkitty
-Julianna
-sve
-Fooxoo
-Eshara
-Nonie
-Cookiedough
-Layil
-Egets
-Waronmars
-La Palida
-Julianna
-Brat_777
-Emily G
-Hillartsympho
-Soliloque
-Look
-Julianna
-Kittywolf (maybe? ;))
-Nero's Master (pretty please?)
-Sapphire
-B Prodigy
-Ooglemeanimations


TOTAL: 34 ARTISTS OF AWESOMENESS!
DEADLINE FOR PARTICIPATION: 5/1/06

If you're on the list, please check out the calendar thread in the Girls Only forum - for access, send a kind PM to Davi if you haven't been given access already!



So girls, guys, what are your thoughts? If you have ideas for a different calendar or suggestions for this theme, please share them here.

[Carnifex]

i like the idea. will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
my only other idea is,as said in the other thread already,guys doing guys-also rather pinup style.
or various collabs between the "guy and girl section".(like,girl draws girl,and boy has to match his style somewhat to bring in a boy)

edit: and i thought yumiko wanted to add herself aswell?

[Red_Rook]

I think its an excellent idea, kind of a new take on a 1930-60 kind of glamour pinup ones, maybe the similar poses but adapted to new themes and styles, may wanna b careful to make sure it dun look trashy.

[Jason Manley]

it is totally bizarre that i had this same discussion yesterday with yumiko....we were trying to figure out some ways to have the ca community support itself better and a calandar was one of the things discussed. we have also been having discussions at times about how to promote the women on the site better so that the place becomes a bit more gender balanced...even just a little.

so yall have my full support on this one. i will talk to the other ca directors and see about printing and such. we should be able to get it printed in shanghai thru mb's sister studio at a lower cost as well. Will look into some options.

there are enuff male dominated events going on around here already...so would be good to keep the guys out of this one. sorry carnifex.



Jason

[Carnifex]

hey,no problem. wasn't my idea originally,but virus artist's. i'm fine with it.
guess i didn't really think about printed calenders. my bad.

[Red_Rook]

Oh dude, a printed calender thats freaking awesome i would totally buy one.

[Carnifex]

are they gonna be sold at the next workshop?
pleeeeeeez.
(and panties with the mb logo,sorry for offtopic:bashful: )

[sve]

You know, I really don't understand why an art should have some gender mentioned near it. It doesn't matter only girls or boys or something in between draw it as far as it is a good art. Because it shouldn't not be judged by the gender, and age btw, and social status too. The only criteria should be the skills and the ability to transfer your thought to viewer.

And the same way it is strange to me to hear about special conditions for chosen gender artists. I really don't see any attraction in it. I believe a good art will be likable despite all odds. I think all these ideas about girls being in the back of the CA are in our imagination. I think it's artificial.
I apologise before head if my words offended someone, really didn't mean that.

[fixx]

I'm looking forward to this and the TD the more I get to think about them. If there were ever a published calendar I and a few more others I know would definitely buy it.

Sve: Well, it is a sad fact that when you go to an artist's/comics/ca convention, the first thing people think is: who's she with? Not, which artist is that? Happened to me lots of times at the Boston Wizard Con. On the other hand, the male artists seemed to give me more time than they gave the nerdy fan-boys. hehe.

[bluefooted]

Sounds cool - a calender would be a fun project. I'd be willing to contribute something. I'll keep monitoring this thread.

[Tully]

I'd really like to do it! Only problem being what I just mentioned in the other thread... no spare time till may. If this isn't going to be urgent, you'd better believe I'm in.

[poise]

Hey Great!! this sounds awesome! and Thank you Jason and Yumiko for going to extents to get the Calendar printed, this is really cool!!!
I am actually pretty Darn excited about this thing, hell yes!!
Sve Come on Girly!! this is like hangin with the girls. I Do agree with you on some extent though, about how Art shouldn't have gender, age, or social status being of importance.

It really isn't important to me really, I am seeing it as something fun. hmmm Kinda like when you hang with the girls and you feel at ease to talk about your relationships and feeling to your female friends. With men maybe it is harder for them to understand where you are coming from(not bad, just different conversation).

I find most of the time when I talk to my girlfriends it is a like a silent dance we don't have to explain everything, we just know. Soo... I say this is kind like, for me a breath of fresh air to be able to girlify a drawing and make everything that is feminine in me come out, and see what other female artist create.
I am really excited to see what you girls come up with! :tihi: :teeth:
I think it would be awesome Sve if you did a month, :) your work has really
gotten great! I want to see what you come up with. :teeth:

[AngryScientist]

*raises hand* I'd like to take part! Colabs sound like a mighty fine idea too :D

[DavePalumbo]

yeah, if there's any CA promo type stuff where gender isn't the issue, I'd pitch in. As is, I'm looking forward to seeing this calendar

[Gryphon]

I'm conflicted... on the one hand, a calendar does sound like a lovely idea, and I know poise and Tully both do fantastic work, so I'm looking forward to the results.

On the other hand... I really do think there should be no difference between us and the guys, in any professional regard, and at least personally, I'm reluctant to do things which identify me as a girl instead of an artist. I'd rather see a calendar of the top talents from CA, even though that means there's no way I'd make it in, than get in just because I was a girl.

I agree with sve, personally - I've never felt marginalized by CA. If anything, I regard CA as being much more a meritocracy than the real world, and I'd hate to endanger that.

Not trying to rain on your parade - I'm happy that you guys are getting together and enjoying the idea so much - just contributing my two cents.

[Molly]

This is a cool idea!
I agree a lil with Sve that girls shouldnt need to be promoted here, but it is soooo male dominated, that its kinda necassary to do this thing in order to get more girls involved with this environment.
We're not asking for special treatment, cos I dont think we need it;
but summink for just the ladies would be very, very VERY interesting...

..... showing a bit of tit 'n' arse aint the only way to get your attentions!hehehehe...:yayca:


Mollyx
(In support of prick teasing)

[Carnifex]

but you made sure that it's the primary way of getting it.
daaaaaaamn.
(sorry to disturb here,i'm off again)

[Steph Laberis]

Thanks Jason! Glad to hear you're stoked for this as well, and man, many thanks for offering your printing help! You're the man among... women ;)

Eeek, slots are filling up fast! I'm going to poke a few more members with a stick (Artkitty, Layil, Molly, step up!) and see if we can get one girl for each month. I was also thinking that for one month (or for January 2008) we could all collab and paint a group shot w/ self portraits... we could also make this a 15 month calendar if interest remains this strong!

[quesadeist]

I agree a lil with Sve that girls shouldnt need to be promoted here, but it is soooo male dominated, that its kinda necessary to do this thing in order to get more girls involved with this environment.

Agreed. Hell, it's the all femme T-Dome that's finally pulling me out of the shadows to become more active in the community here. Sadly, I would be the first to admit that I haven't posted much of worth since I signed up.

[Steph Laberis]

Gryphon: I totally understand what you mean, someone else here had mentioned the vices of the "Gay Art" thread a while back. It's really touchy to use gender, orientation, skin color, etc. to define yourself or your artwork. My intent isn't to identify us as women before artists; it's to say "Hey! Look! There are artists here who are women!"

Really, I think Molly has a great point in that an all-girl collab can help the women here, who are the minority by far, to create something spiffy. And hey, if using the all-girl niche is a way to promote the women here, I'm all for it. Think bad-ass art slumber party ;)

...Oh yeah.

Carnifex: You are quickly becoming that boy who climbs a tree to peek into the bedroom window of the bad-ass-art-no-boys-allowed slumber party - don't make us close the blinds and create a private thread ;)

[Carnifex]

sorrysorry,i don't want to disturbe anyone,i'm out,sorry.

[VirusArtist]

Heya,

I dont think that this calendar would serve the sole purpose of just promoting the female talent in this community. I dont think that the female talent here NEEDS to be promoted either.. there are a lot of women here who easily can keep up with the "big males" (in fact, I'm very surprised that there are so many).

But see it this way: as a male I appreciate an insight into the female psyche. this calendar could answer some questions about how women think in terms of how they see the perfect woman (thats what pinups are: renditions of beautiful, perfect human beings) or (in a deeper psychiological manner) how they wish to look like...

as I already mentioned in the other thread, this could turn out to be a nicely executed "soulstrip" of some of the female members here. Who knows.. some entries could be reditions of tattoed skinhead chicks or something.

dont do it just to please the eyes of the male members here, do it to let them see through YOUR eyes... maybe that will answer some of the questions men have asked themselves about women for AGES.

again, my 2 cents...

Cheers,
Etienne

[davi]

I made a girls only club and a girls only forum. I dont know how tight-nit the girl community of this forum is, but it is there if you need to use it privately.(only admins can see).

I added all the girls listed in this thread and cookiedough.

if someone could pm me who else i should add it would be less work for me.

[EVIL]

*watches carnifex fall from the tree* awsome to see this get off the ground ladies - can't wait to see the result!

[sve]

VirusArtist. I like your post a lot, it makes a lot of sense for me, thank you for sharing this thought with me. I agree, you have a point. It will carry some information about how some women in this community think. Maybe it will be be interesting to know, or maybe not so interesting.
Still think the same though, art should be judged just on its artistic merits, without any artificial ones ( political or social).
Sveta

[JERI]

Oh geez, this isn't friggin' affirmative action! These girls just wanna have fun - without guys, I don't know how this sexism mumbo jumbo got around.

Any chance of a lesbian calendar seeing the light?

[sve]

Yeah, that's a nice way to argument your point. Let's go to personal insults. How not interesting it is.

[Ilaekae]

We got two things involved here...hormones and brain cells. Any time sex in any form rears its head, the hormone switch kicks on. So far, what I'm seeing is nice...and a bit unexpected, considering the average age here...an intelligent and fun reaction to an idea that could have been a disaster in a lot of other forums.

Girls (may I call you girls without offending--I come from the Ballet world and GIRLS do, LADIES hang on arms and donate money), I think this is an incredible idea. I don't think anything you do with this idea could be sexist or exclusionary in any way.

Girls think different than boys. (lets not start a massive arguement here--you all understand what I mean) At my age, I've gone through just about every phase of perception of the opposite gender that exists, and I'd love to see what happens here. Girls see themselves differently than boys see them. And the difference, no matter how subtle or blatent in individual cases, can be enlightening to all of us. Go for it!

Jason, Davi, and all the girls involved...don't put any extreme restrictions in in advance, or overthink this too much. Just let it happen. We're all adults (OKAY---I'm trying to be polite here...just bear with me!) and we know when something's inappropriate, so self-censorship should be a presumed given.

If it works, the idea of a calendar/whatever that can actually help support this rathole is an added bonus. We can do a number of them over time that include only the guys, EVERYBODY, the old farts, the young farts, the brain-dead, whatever...all on different subjects.

My only suggestion would be to give this some time to come about. We have people who sit around and throw darts at cats all day because they don't earn a living any more, kids in school (with homework and tests to worry about), and all you poor bastards out there who have no life because you have to put up with middle management incompetence), so allow enough time for everybody to get their acts together without feeling pressured.

...and lets save the Chicks-with-Dicks calendar idea for later--I've got WalMart almost ready to bite, and I don't wanna scare 'em off...

[sve]

You got a point, Ilaekae.

[Steph Laberis]

Ilaeke: Pearls of wisdom once again. Damn you.

Alright, perhaps the calendar should be more open-ended. Like Virus said, I didn't intend to make this calendar just to cater to the male perspective of women; it was supposed to be by women, about women.

If some of the girls here feel that topic is too stuffy, we can talk about it more in these secret forums... Davi, how do I find it...? :/ I'll still probably take the girlie art route with my own month, same as a few other ladies I think, but I don't want to take the fun out of this for the folks involved. I also would like for there to be some sort of cohesion with the subject matter though.

[Quicksilver]

VirusArtist & Ilaekae: Excellent posts, guys.

I'd like to join, but to be perfectly honest, I don't know if I'd be able to produce something, or rather, finish something, haha. I'll have a go though. :)

I want in to the secret forum!! [will PM davi now...]

[JERI]

Yeah, that's a nice way to argument your point. Let's go to personal insults. How not interesting it is.

Who? Me?

[sve]

Why did you think it's about you. eh? heheh

[Jessica Hook]

Hi all, I think this is a great idea. I like the idea of girls/ladies on this site working together. I'll be honest... I got more excited about the girl Tdome, than I have about anything else I've seen come through this site in a while... I love the unspoken camaraderie between the ladies here, and the motivation it inspires... I haven't completed a personal piece of art in AGES, but the Tdome and getting to see a bunch of girls' entries inspires me on a level that I can't explain.

I have always loved when there are workshops, because the girls usually ban together and make a "girls room" thread! I just like being in there, I love the feeling, it doesn't exist elsewhere on this site. It's FUN in a different way. Nobody contests that the girls' roommate threads are sexist... why? Because when it comes down to it, we know we are human and girls feel safe with other girls in a community saturated with men, and there is NOTHING wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong with girls collaberating with each other.

The Tdome and the calendar have brought girls out of the woodwork! Isn't that a great thing? It definitely means a lot to me.

This calendar idea wasn't created by some stuffy guy in a business suit saying "we need to formulate a way to bring more users to this site, lets dump some ideas through the politically correct theme generater and see what comes out of the other end." It's a bunch of us girls from the community that want to do something FUN! And there are plenty of people here who see the good it can do, and would like to help. So thanks to everyone who supports the idea. And I think the people who don't like it, can make their own calendar with whomever they want, and theme it however they wish, and I will support YOU on YOUR venture too, because I'm still glad you are part of my CA community.

[dogfood]

All of this makes me love this site even more.

And I'm not even a girl.




OK, I giggle like one every once in a while, but that's different.

[sve]

Hehe, Yumiko, really :teeth:, you feel "girls feel safe with other girls in a community saturated with men". Kind of funny to hear it coming from you, you are such a pretty girl and well-liked here.

Well, I don't feel unsafe. I feel great, many guys here on forum are my good friends and I learn a lot from them. The same applies to my girlfriends. I don't feel intomidated at all on this forum. I love this forum!!! :teeth:.
I see you point, though, if it helps someone, it is a good idea.

[Jessica Hook]

Hehe, Yumiko, really :teeth:, you feel "girls feel safe with other girls in a community saturated with men".

Hiya Sve, that was in specific reference to girls feeling safer finding roommates with other girls for workshop purposes. I do believe that girls feel safer finding rooms and/or sharing beds within those rooms with other girls you've never met, as opposed to sharing a room with a bunch of guys you've never met. And my point was that nobody complains about the girls having their own thread for finding roommates, and I thought the kind of "chat" that goes on within those threads was cool.

I absolutely feel comfortable in this online community, I do not feel unsafe at all here! Again, my reference was regarding females sharing a room with females as opposed to men, in the context of workshops. I am not saying I doubt the integrity of the men in this community... I hope you get what I'm getting at. Sorry I could have worded that better.

[Interceptor]

I have a girl's name, does that count?

I'd love for more ways to support the site, though. I was hoping for a big art book that we could all participate in, or something. I think that warrants it own thread, actually.

[sve]

OK, Yumiko, :teeth: . I understand now, what you meant. Hope no hard feeling left. I like you, btw. :)

[0kelvin]

You go girls!



0kelvin

[lesedi]

:yayca:
I love this thread. I don't kid myself that I'm good enough to make the ULTIMATE 12, but it certainly does give a girl a goal to shoot for eh? And I like seeing the love! It *is* nice to see, regardless of gender politics. It's just a good vibe. Oh, and thanks for the headsup! I didn't know there was a femmedome! yay! I'll have to go find it.

I'm sure once word gets around even more, plenty of interested women will jump out of the woodwork, far too many for a calendar, so my one suggestion is to let women post their calendar submission vying for the 12th space. It opens it up to those who aren't a shoo-in, but also showcases all of CA's talent pool regardless if they make the cut. Frankly, I'd submit, and would love to view all the submissions for their own sake .

Whaddo ya'll think?

[DavePalumbo]

I made a girls only club and a girls only forum. I dont know how tight-nit the girl community of this forum is, but it is there if you need to use it privately

I once knew a guy who got pushed in there. He said it was just the same except with pink tiles on the walls...

[davi]

oh crap, when i made the new usergroup, for some reason it defaulted "no" on the option if the users could post or not.

sorry girls dont hate me :(

[Quicksilver]

So.....where is it?

[poise]

This is exactly what I was thinking VirusArtist, Ilaekae, and Yumiko. Good Points! I ment all that maybe I just don't know how to word it.
This will be fun.
Yumiko I am soo excited about it too! YAY!!!

It's ok Davi. No hate just Love!!

[JERI]

Why did you think it's about you. eh? heheh

So were you talking to me?

[Blue]

Women exist online?


Whodathunkit. :)

[sve]

Yes. JERI, to you. Were you talking to me? in your first post?

[Interceptor]

Come on, y'all. Let's not argue. This is supposed to be a thread of CAers working together for the community afterall :)

[Steph Laberis]

Davi: I still can't see this magical secret forum... yet Red_Rook can.. and I'm pretty sure he's got a Y chromosome... ;) Am I doing something wrong?

And yeah guys, please take the arguments to PMs since it's prettymuch been reduced to one-liner posts.

Also, I am thinking that we could make this a 15 month calendar on a first come, first serve basis for slots. If some people *really* want in, perhaps we could pair people up to collab on some months and the like. I s'pose we'll go into more detail in the Bat Lair... I mean, girls forum. ;)

[JERI]

I didn't do anything, he started it.

[magicgoo]

I think this is definitely one of the coolest ideas and I would be so proud to take part in it. Can't wait until details are all worked out.

EEEEE! So exciting!

[magicgoo]

Whoa! I just made a post here and it disappeared!! Ahhh! My internet is broken!

[JM]

:O I want to join.

[sciboy]

I'm in! Oh wait... Anyway, just incase it's useful, the wiki now has a section for projects. =)
http://www.conceptart.org/wiki/doku.php?id=projects:index

[EDIT]

****, seems they restored the site from a backup and killed the changes i made to the wiki, NICE.

[fixx]

We could never hate you davi!
Now I know why I apparently got an "access denied" thing when I tried to post and PM yesterday lol.

[Molly]

... all you girls and boys stop dragging the reasons behind this thread out.
Its boring.

we are not asking for special fucking treatment; we are not starting a womens Lib either.

GET ON WITH IT!!!!
WHENS THE CALENDER START?
WHENS THE THUNDERDOME START?


Mollyx :)

[tensai]

... all you girls and boys stop dragging the reasons behind this thread out.
Its boring.

we are not asking for special fucking treatment; we are not starting a womens Lib either.

GET ON WITH IT!!!!
WHENS THE CALENDER START?
WHENS THE THUNDERDOME START?


Mollyx :)

<3 :cheerleader:

[Steph Laberis]

... all you girls and boys stop dragging the reasons behind this thread out.
Its boring.

we are not asking for special fucking treatment; we are not starting a womens Lib either.

GET ON WITH IT!!!!
WHENS THE CALENDER START?
WHENS THE THUNDERDOME START?


Mollyx :)

:yayca:

Calendat won't begin until after the Girls TD ends, so we've got some time. It's going to be awesome to get to know all of the other girls around here better... while we're trying to kick eachothers asses in the TD ^__^

Only one more slot left for the 15 month calendar! Anyone who wishes to participate after the 15th slot is filled will be on back-up in case one of the ladies can't follow through! Remember, each month should have a clean, finished piece to present (we'll discuss time frames and the like once we get our 15th member and I can figure out where that secret forum is) so for now, kick back, think about your TD ( :yayca: to Magicgoo!) and many, MANY thanks to all who have joined, all who are rooting for the participants, and all who are backing this calendar ( :cheerleader: Yumiko, Davi, Manley!)

[poise]

Word! my sista! word...

[sve]

I'm in. Where should I send that I want to participate? I''ll be the last month? or all the entries will be submitted all together?
Sveta

[MarkHarchar]

I for one can appreciate the female point of view when it comes to artistic vision. Men have the ability to compartmentalize things, emotions, logic, actions, etc. Women are in general more integrated (simply proporting modern science, not giving an expose on psychology, feminism or anything else). Seeing a grouping of art from the fairer species would actually help me grow as an artist, so I say, bring it on. Save me one. I'll keep the checkbook warm.

[Steph Laberis]

I'm in. Where should I send that I want to participate? I''ll be the last month? or all the entries will be submitted all together?
Sveta

You're added :) Thanks for coming aboard! Like I said, this won't *really* begin until after the TD and although I want to keep the theme of the calendar women-oriented, we can take some time to let the final theme evolve into whatever awesomeness it needs to be.

As far as months go, some of us claimed the ones we wanted in this thread and one of the other Girls TD threads (need to go back and check, I know March is taken) but I also wonder if the submissions should be a little more loose (maybe we have 4 winter themed pieces which can be rearranged throughout the winter months, rather than have one that's specifically Christmas, Thanksgiving or Halloween themed... oh, man, October would be SWEET to work on!) But yeah, we can let this take shape.

From here on in, anyone else who signs up will be designated as pinch hitters in case one of us can't finish, has life get in the way, etc. I'd like to keep the final theme relatively secret so that we can have a grand unveiling when this is finished. I'll find out what the printing schedule is like and see about deadlines for artwork, etc.

:yayca:

[GeikoSera]

Oh Steph..... ;)

[fooxoo]

Count me in too, I ll read through this thread a bit later, a bit tired now.

But the idea is great. :)

[poise]

WHOO HOO! Sve your in!! YAY! I'm glad!!

[Jessica Hook]

Can I get dibs on December? or one of the "winter months" if that's how we do it.... :)

[Blue]

I'm a fan of anything that gets people drawing. And i'm a fan of calenders in general so i would love to see this thing go through. Sexuality always is an intriguing differentiating factor in the arts, so it would be nice to simply seperate female art from male art for a moment to see what effect "being a women" has on everyone's style.

When do you guys (or rather, ladies) start?

[bluefooted]

I would also love to have one of the winter months, but anything will do. Is there a place we can check what's been taken or not?

*is confused* :x

[sve]

I think, there is no female / male art. There are a good art and a bad art and this is very relative too, in my opinion.
P.S. look how many guys successfully pretend being a 14 years girl on Internet in chats and forums. and visa versa. I've been thought to be a guy for 5 month, people commenting on my drawings without thinking much about it. I'm sure you all have a similar experience. :)

[Blue]

I think, there is no female / male art.
Oh i definitely have to disagree with you there. Every factor of our lives effect our art; where we live, what we are exposed to, any trauma, our relative happiness. And there is no reason our gender can't also play a role, if for no other reason then because the life of a man is extremely different then a female's. For better or worse on either end, it is definitely different, and that does impact one's art.

[sve]

You might be right, but i have a hard time to tell looking through sketch book what gender the owner is. I suspect I'm not alone in this. And Guys, I'm not trying to stir things up, please take it is easy, just a nice little conversation, no need to put a label to anyone forehead.
Look, btw, how many girls wanted to do a scary monster theme in the first voting in the TD. How about that? makes you think the border between genders somewhere on the cell level, need a microscope for that. Look at the magicgoo art and Molly, coolest art, would never guess it is made by woman.

[Blue]

Well thats my whole point, this calender lets us look at it under a microscope. :)

[sve]

"So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. " (Gal 3:9). ;)

[fooxoo]

I want a summer month :P

[AngryScientist]

I want March :)

[poise]

I want July, but I already told Steph, so save it for me, k, ;)
My best girlfriend of 19 years is in a drug rehap center, and her Bday is in July, so I thought it would be nice and motivateing if I made that month for her to get her going and better, and to show her I still care for her a lot! oy! tears ok sob sob sob, sob story I know, sorry. but this is the reason, so save it for me please. Unless we do a spring,summer, fall, winter thing that is fine also.
I'm pretty motivated with this calendar. thanks Steph for coming up with the idea. :)

[sve]

God, poise, that's so sad. Feel bad. I'm ok with any month.

[Eshara]

OH, me! I'm in. I'm willing to do a fall, spring or whatever is available month, I dont care.

[nonie]

Oh, man, I just found this... I don't suppose there's any room left?

[Cookiedough]

If there's still a month available, i'd like to participate. No preference for a specific month/time. I usually draw cheesecake already, so this should be fun!

[Tully]

Can I take November? I really like November! I didnt' see that anybody else wanted it.. but if it's taken already, it's not big deal. I just want to participate.

[Steph Laberis]

Awesome, more ladies coming out of the woodwork!

I'll update the names and the months that people want this evening (at work still... BLEH!)

Has anyone found that hidden forum? I might be the slow one, but I still can't see it... I want to start a discussion thread there for all the details.

[AngryScientist]

Steph, see if you can find it on the drop down menu - it's the very last forum. It's called Girls Only - NEENER :) Or just open the forum home and search for that phrase?

[poise]

Sve, Yeah it is not a great situation for her, but better she is getting herself sober.

Anyway..It seems there is a lot of Girls who want to work on this thing, so maybe we should do the spring, summer, fall, and winter thing so everyone can get a peice of the pie, :).
Yeah Steph and your the one who started the friggin thing, haha! oy! WTH! maybe PM Davi.

[Layil]

id be interested in doing a calender entry... december if possible, but Yumiko can have it if she wants, since she called it first. can i have october then?

whats the deadline?
any guidelines? whos organizing this thing?

[Steph Laberis]

Hey guys!

I'm reluctant to do so, but I think it's time to cut-off any more new participants (from this post on, everyone who responded prior to this is at least on the waiting list!) - there's been a very positive response overall and I thank everyone for sharing their thoughts (good and bad!) but now I've gotta figure out how to make sure everyone gets a month... perhaps part of the project is inventing and adding new months to the calendar? :P

I am going to set up a new thread and iron out all the details in the girls-only forum, likely tomorrow morning (kindly ask Davi for permission to view it, if you don't have permission already).

The final theme of the calendar is still malleable and perhaps we can brainstorm as a group to ensure that all who wish to participate actually CAN (maybe some artists could pair up and collab for a month, perhaps we issue two calendars since some people weren't cool with the pin-up theme... though that might cannibalize the whole project... GAH!)

But yes. This should be a group effort and I want to get exposure to as many talented ladies here as possible.

See you all in the Girls Forum! MWAHAHAHA!

[waronmars]

I feel that women drawing sexy women perpetuates the stereotype of women as sexual objects and is therefore counterproductive as a way of promoting women as valuable members of the artistic community.








plus i can't draw chicks

[Ilaekae]

A suggestion...for what it's worth...divide the calendar into 24 parts--first half of January, second half of january, first half of February, etc. That would allow for 24 artists if that many want in, and it could be done in such a way that both januarys, etc., are on the same spread possibly.


EDIT: Actually, I'm not real familiar with horoscope shit, but doesn't the sign shit run from middle of the month to middle of the month...would be a good excuse for the break...January Capricorn, January WTF come next, February same, February wWTF come third...

[waronmars]

or we could collab on the pix so more people could participate?



*so left out*

[Steph Laberis]

Ilaeke: Good call! It would mean perhaps that we'd have to be less month-specific in our pieces to allow for rearranging and whatnot, but I think that's a great idea. *puts a wig on him and hands him a pink studded purse* You can be our honorary art sistah for that :groupie:

War: You're not alone in that view. :/ I really don't mean to degrade, it's meant to be positive. Please check out the private thread for more info and details. :)

[AngryScientist]

or we could collab on the pix so more people could participate?



*so left out*

I was thinking about colaborating with someone because I find that's the best way to love forward when you're stuck on a piece. So if you want to, feel free to PM/email me whatever :)

[LaPalida]

Hey guys I saw 2 spots left ... so am I too late to join in or what?

[JM]

I want to do June! :O

[BRAT_777]

I dint see this tread till just now! Damn it! Oh well...perhaps there will be future endeavors....*sniff*

[Jason Manley]

Hey everyone! This idea was spawned in the Girls-Only TD thread and I thought it might need a little more discussion.

The idea is that the girls of Concept Art could collaborate on a calendar, each participant creating a finished illustration for one or two months (of the calendar), depending on the number of artists. The proposed idea for the calendar would be "Chicks who Draw Chicks" (title probably will change) and it's a way for the girls here to take the reins and show off their takes on the women of the sci-fi and fantasy world.

There seems to be a dead tie for those who support the idea and those who are against it. I'd be curious to hear thoughts from both view points to see if this would be a worthwhile project (though, even if there's a lot of negative feedback, it might come to fruition anyway if enough girls here still want to work on it ;) )

My original intent would be to portray women in a positive, sexy light - ya know, like pin ups were intended to. This can be as softcore or innocent as you like, or as assertive and blatant as you see fit. Nudity is of course ok, but nothing exceding the NC-17 mark.

So far, these artists who have shown interest:

[B]
The Fab 15:

-Magicgoo
-Fixx
-Poise
-Qitsune
-Steph
-Yumiko
-Bluefooted
-Tully
-AngryScientist
-Molly
-Egerie
-Quicksilver
-Artkitty
-Julianna
-sve

********
The (also fab) Waiting List:

-Fooxoo
-Eshara
-Nonie
-Cookiedough
-Layil
-Egets
-Waronmars

ONLY 2 MORE SLOTS AVAILABLE ON THE WAITING LIST!


So girls, guys, what are your thoughts? If you have ideas for a different calendar or suggestions for this theme, please share them here.


I would hate to exclude people...so i have an idea which I hope could be discussed.

If we do a calandar, we can have the ladies who have called spots getting the highlighted months. But, we can also have extra art images included in the back of the calandar for when the year passes by. Basically, we could include the other artists who want to join in spots before or after the calandar images...almost like an art book/calandar. I have been wanting to see CA do a better job of promoting the female artists and am hoping that it might be considered to include as many as want to participate by coming up with a creative solution to the problem.


thoughts?


J

[dogfood]

I'm not certain why it has to be one or two images per month.

What about smaller images for each day? Make it a weekly calendar with the art in the day, and a little place to note important events (like Ilaekae's birthday and when Davi hits 10,000 posts)?

[0kelvin]

Jason and Ilaekae both have good ideas. If you did have a seperate art section, you could have the 12 best pieces (however that would be decided, T-Dome perhaps?) featured, one as each month's spread, and the rest in the art section. That would include as many women as wanted to join, but also keep the quality very high.

Like Dogfood said, there should definitely be some CA-related holidays marked on the calendar!

Man, this private girls forum is driving me crazy. You girls are in there having pillow fights in your underwear, aren't you?



0kelvin

[Tully]

Man, this private girls forum is driving me crazy. You girls are in there having pillow fights in your underwear, aren't you?


Things that would haunt your dreams at night.

[magicgoo]

Yeah, I like the idea that it's like an art book/calendar.

Or it could be a super huge poster sized calendar with 4 images per month, allowing for 48 girls. Although, nevermind. That might look messy. And, this is just for horizontal layouts of the same proportions, so we would need to follow strict size guidelines.

http://www.everythinggoodwastaken.com/images/calendarsample.jpg

[Cookiedough]

That's looking pretty nice, magicgoo. I like the idea of the calender, but 48 pictures with strict agreements? That's gonna be a lot of work.

The artbook/calender seems more interesting imo. I like saving rainforests and using both sides of the paper. ;)

[Steph Laberis]

I also second the artbook/calendar idea! In the Girlie forum, the idea of making this a contest also came up and was fairly popular, but like Jason, I'd rather see as many girls as possible get their artwork printed.

Even a weekly calendar could be tricky; granted, we could get over 20 chicks to work on this, but to get 52 images we'd all have to create at least 2 finished pieces and I am still working out when the deadline for this would be, so we can get these all printed.

Magicgoo: Thanks for showing a mock-up, I might whip one up too! I was thinking that we might even get more milage by having a smaller image or two in the space where the days are listed. Anyone know of good sites to research calendar layouts?

So, in an effort to get more people to participate, I'll lift the ban on new participants and I will set a date as the cut-off for new artists ... once I figure out when the deadline for finished images will be.

Send me a PM and respond to this thread if you want in!

:cheerleader: :yayca:

Gianormous thanks to all!

[rick_hershey]

Well, if you get enough participants, why not just make a 2 year calender?

It will probably end up being the same page count if you went with an artbook.

[Steph Laberis]

Well, if you get enough participants, why not just make a 2 year calender?

It will probably end up being the same page count if you went with an artbook.

Well, the guys here also want to start up a calendar, and my concern has been this:

Do we print two different calendars in one year... or do we let the girls have 2007, the guys have 2008? If we choose the latter, it'd be years till the boys were able to show their glory :/

[rick_hershey]

What I'm trying to say is, have a calender that includes say- both 2007 and 2008 from the women. One calender, 2 years, double sized.

I don't really think it would compete with the mens calender, and I think this would give a chance for all the talented females to showcase their artwork, instead of having to double up or something else.

Either way, just my two cents- but I am looking forward to seeing the end results

[VirusArtist]

Well, the guys here also want to start up a calendar, and my concern has been this:

Do we print two different calendars in one year... or do we let the girls have 2007, the guys have 2008? If we choose the latter, it'd be years till the boys were able to show their glory :/


dont worry :) .. i dont think a print would happen. the male pics will get their own thread in the finally finished section when they are done and thats about it. its just a fun project (or lets just say "experiment' ;) ) to show a different side of us males.

cant wait for the girls calendar- be sure to reserve me a copy :yayca:

cheers,
Etienne

edit: okay.. the male calendar is rather turning into a digital calendar-application idea- if you folks have doubts about that, let me know and i'll change the rules in the other thread.

[emily g]

I haven't posted in this thread yet, but I think this is a great idea!
Sign me up. :)

emily

[H.Evans]

if more people are being accepted, i'd like to help. ...is the girls forum up yet? i havent found it


EDIT: Ok thanks!!!

[Steph Laberis]

Emily and Hillartsympho - you're in! I'm stoked you two decided to join in, I'll add you to the list!

Hillarts: You'll need to PM Davi for access to the girl's only forum. Despite being a new mod, I don't have the power to make it visible to you... I gotta work my way up to having that privelege ;) *goes out on a spam hunt*

One other note: I have set 5/01/06 as the deadline for ladies to join this project. Why so late? Well, the lead time we'll need for printing is WAY smaller than I expected (thank you Yumiko for checking up on that!) and I figure the more time chicks have to see this thread and sign up, the better. Plus, this will be after the Chicks vs. Chicks TD and hopefully by then we'll know eachother a little better and get the word out to those who might have missed this thread.

[Soliloque]

I want to join too ! As a girl, please allow me to join your secret circle =p


Soliloque

[poise]

I think Ilaekae's idea is pretty cool. I could really see this. I also think Jasons Idea is not too bad. It would be nice to get every girl to put their artwork on here.
I am also not against the submission. Judges Vote for the 12 that will be in the Calendar. This way of course we will all want to be in so we will make it look good. I really don't like the idea of competition thruthfully and this is sorta my last choice. But at the same time I want this Calendar to kick ass and represent CA.
Hmmm what shall we do.
I think I'm digging Ilaekae's 24 page Calendar. Maybe we will have to vote on what we want to do.

[Steph Laberis]

I'm going through some of the suggested options with a few of the ladies helping to organize this :) I'll let you know as soon as we narrow things down, we'll set up a poll in the near future for our final options!

[look]

Steph: not sure if you got my pm. But I guess I'll post here too.

I wanna join, I wanna join, I wanna join!

:D

[JM]

Still can't find the girls only forum...

[Carnifex]

i'd say it's the thing marked "private" on the dropdown menu.

[JM]

Pardon me for my n00bishness but... I can't find the dropdown menu either.

[Egets]

This is a cool idea!
I agree a lil with Sve that girls shouldnt need to be promoted here, but it is soooo male dominated, that its kinda necassary to do this thing in order to get more girls involved with this environment.
We're not asking for special treatment, cos I dont think we need it;
but summink for just the ladies would be very, very VERY interesting...

..... showing a bit of tit 'n' arse aint the only way to get your attentions!hehehehe...:yayca:


Mollyx
(In support of prick teasing)


Im afraid I have to disagree with you here. It is unwritten law that females are more vounerable and should be sheltered and protected, othervice they could not be beautiful and consentrate on being sexy if they have to be like "one of the guys among the guys" I might be stepping on some womens toes here but hey, this is not about power, the power to be a woman is not about competing with men but about harnessing the feminine powers within you and then you become a perfect yin and yang complementing each others, what the man can not be you have to be and vice versa, wanting to be a good artist does not mean you have to compete with the men you just have to be your woman self and I think is just obvious that the men in this forum are MORE THAN DELIGHTED that there are some feminine aromas springled for their inspiration <3

[Egets]

Yeah, I like the idea that it's like an art book/calendar.

Or it could be a super huge poster sized calendar with 4 images per month, allowing for 48 girls. Although, nevermind. That might look messy. And, this is just for horizontal layouts of the same proportions, so we would need to follow strict size guidelines.

http://www.everythinggoodwastaken.com/images/calendarsample.jpg


well this is defenately not a bad idea either, I think that this calendar in its best stands for the community of CA.org and kind of like word or spirit of female artists gathered in this forum reincarnated in flesh (paper) or something

if there are so many participants who want really really want to be in, I think this is really love idea !!! Actually its better idea than the competition

[Steph Laberis]

Julianna: Have you sent a PM to Davi? He can give your account the ability to see the private forum. He's pretty dang busy, especially with two dozen ladies asking him for the same priveleges (and perhaps a few guys wearing wigs and lipstick) so please give it some time ^^ If you still can't see the forum by the end of today, let me know.

Egets: It is interesting that you mentioned "shelter", a lot of chicks are enjoying the private forum for that very reason... I mean, how many panty/lesbian/handcuff/curtain jokes have been made in the public forums since the Girlie threads have been started? ;) I'm willing to bet you hopeful guys won't see two lesbians in their panties handcuffed to their new pink curtains for the month of May... or WILL you?! :madchef:

And hey, some of us are a "guy among guys" by choice... (Example: I'm one helluva tomboy; I was raised by my father from the time I was 12 and 90% of my friends are guys with whom I belch, fart and play video games. Most of my girlfriends act like guys too, or at least lack the kind of modesty that most girls might value) Doesn't mean that I don't value femininity, that I don't enjoy girlie chats or time away from the boys... it's more that I don't value the same aspects of femininity that other women might. And really, having guy friends sort of lets me be more of who I am, not the other way around where I am acting crude to fit in. I'd like for the women participating in this project to take whatever view they like, so I am not criticizing your stance or saying it's not valid; only that others, like myself, may not totally agree :)

I have a dozen PMs to sort out, but I will be updating both threads with more clear guidelines in a couple of days, me thinks. Thank you all for being so patient and for continuing to add thoughts and ideas to this project. :yayca:

[Red_Rook]

m afraid I have to disagree with you here. It is unwritten law that females are more vounerable and should be sheltered and protected, othervice they could not be beautiful and consentrate on being sexy if they have to be like "one of the guys among the guys"

eh... im afraid i have to disagree with you too. Each to his own but i know some gorgeous girls that could totally kick my ass. And on a similar note to steph many are far more comfortable not being tied up in a stereotype of what is girly or ladylike, they tend to be rough and ready when they want to be and generally handel life alot better then most guys i know ;)

How about being sexy for the sake of the propagation and survival of the species, we would kinda die out mighty quick if there was no one sexy around dont ya think?

While i dont disagree with you that this might apply sometimes, treating it as a "unwritten law" seems to be slightly off. Ofcourse im not a girl i really dont know what im talking about, its just i know plenty that i suspect would strongly disagree with you.

And anyway i perfer a girl in sneakers over high heels. But thats just me.

[Sapphire]

I would be interested in participating in this! I just heard about it from Steph... but are there no slots open?

[Steph Laberis]

You're in - the cut-off date is now May 1st for people who wanna participate. I'm going to have a huge update (and possibly lock this thread, start up a fresh one) with the rules, etc etc etc. :)

[B Prodigy]

Man...some of you guys need to crawl out of that ditch you've been living in and really open your eyes and see and realize that there are MANY different types of women that exist in this world and have always existed since the beginning of time. I hate to bring my sexual orientation to this discussion or ca.org in general, because this isn't about me being a homosexual "BUTCH" woman...a dyke. I come here to learn and be inspired. I love drawing sh*t that the majority of "men" on here like to draw...does that make any sense? Not at all. You shouldn't associate someone's art with their gender. It's sexist and ignorant. My point is, not all the women on this forum or in this world wear skirts, wear makeup, wear heels, or are attracted to the opposite sex (I speak for myself). We're not in TV LAND anymore. ...I watch the LOGO channel.

I bet the people that have seen my sketchbook have mistaken me for a man. Happens all the time when people see my art and haven't seen me. But then again, I get mistaken for a pretty boy anyway so it doesn't matter.

I really like the idea of this. I think it will bring the women on this forum closer together. Jason? Thanks for backing it up and thanks for keeping ca.org alive. I appreciate it.

[Steph Laberis]

Hey Prodigy - I appreciate your two cents about the calendar! We've got women of all ages, backgrounds and sexual orientations who will be participating, so I'm very proud of the range of talent and backgrounds that have "surfaced" since the ideas of the All-Girl Thunderdome and the Calendar were brought up.

There's been some argument about the need to identify as a woman before one identifies as an artist. I suppose by default, having an all-girl project does that. But I don't see it as a negative thing, a crutch or a chance for entitlement, but rather a chance to create some community among the ladies (let's be honest, how many new ladies have you folks met here since these projects got underway... or how many artists made you stop and say to yourself "Whoah, So-and-So's a GIRL?!" ;)

:cheerleader: :yayca: We need a Rosie the Riveter emoticon!

P.S. GREAT Sketchbook Prodigy, you make me wanna do life drawing again ;)

[Nero's Master]

Wow, I've been gone for CA too long. Stupid work. Hooray for us women! I'd love to participate, but there are plenty of much more talented artists in your line up than me. I can't do illustrations anyways. Good luck. Can't wait to see the finished product. :teeth:

[Kittywolf13]

wish i could totally do this. but i am totally not talented enough to even think about doing this. besides, i dont have a scanner to scan in my linework. :( and am also pretty lame with just pinup ladies...could never make it interesting.

[Ilaekae]

Kitty, if you think for a second about the male psyche, pinup art becomes easy. 85% of all men fit into the following scenario...

Male 1: "What do you find most attractive about any woman you'd like to go out with?"
Male 2: "She should be breathing and warm, and have beer in the fridge."

[rick_hershey]

Everything important in life comes from Ilaekae.

[B Prodigy]

Steph: happy birthday and thanks for checking out my sketchbook.

[Steph Laberis]

Nero and Kitty: Please don't feel intimidated. Why not give it a shot, you might end up surprising yourselves :cheerleader:

Ok, sorry I've been MIA most of the week but I've begun to re-organize the calendar.

Here is the long and the short of it all:

In an effort to give everyone a fair shot, the calendar will be structured like a contest; there will be a set number of large image slots given to the winners, and a few of the runners-up will get a nice surprise as well! I haven't worked out the specific number of images per month (perhaps some of you have more suggestions for calendar formats and presentation?) but once I do the math, I will post official guidelines. Keep in mind that I won't really start cracking into this project until after the Girlie TD, so we've got some time to really iron things out.

Thoughts?