Kei-th's Sketchbook- all kind of stuff

[Kei-th]

Hi all.

I just started drawing. At the moment I am trying to learn perspective.
But in the future there will be other things I hope.

I look forward to any and all crits!!

First time
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/1631/perspective16xz.jpg
1. first try and didn't realised that I needed to draw the verticals vertical
2. was a bit better
3. looked strange because I drew the box to much to one VP
4. the best I think
5. try out with 1 VP
6. try out with a box on a box

Second time
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8676/perspective29is.jpg
At first I did the one with 2 cubes that went pritty ok so I decided to move on and then I saw a tut about perspective and they explained also cilinders so I gave it a shot! The first (1) cilinder wasn't such a succes, if you lengthen the verticals they will cros. The 2nd went a bit beter. But as you can see I have a litle prob with drawing the circle it self ( left midle ) I also made there a few idea's. The Right bottom was a combination of a box and a quarter of a filinder, I hope you can see that if so I succeeded! The litle box in the weird angle was just a practice but it went not how I wanted it might try it later on

[rob-ot]

Kei-th - I can't see your images....

[Ubermensch]

try a hoster like imageshack

[Kei-th]

The problem is volved!

[archipelago]

good stuff man, keep doing these studies everyday! One crit, I think youre pushing the perspective a bit too much, for example, the boxes are much too distorted in th first one.
Good luck with the studies!

[Kei-th]

for example, the boxes are much too distorted in th first one.


Thanks for the crit but what do you mean with distorted?
And I will post a litle strory soon so you will see my thoughts :)

[asoir]

All seems correct to me... keep it up, no crits yet.

[Kei-th]

Thanks Asoir!

An other update! I have some troubles with cirkels and ellipses, so I practiced a bit.
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/1433/perspective38ci.jpg
I will make a perspective drawing based on the Top, side, back and front views.

[yAdam]

I can't see any problems with the perspective on the first one, apart from the one where you didnt do the vertical :)... Keep it up! you are doing well so far! Just work on the circles in perspective...hope to see a lot more...!

[Kei-th]

Thanks yAdam! There's a lot more to come ;)

Here is the perspective drawing of the Top, side, back and front views.
Theoriticaly it's ok but when I observe it it looks kind of strange.. Hope anny one can help me!

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1188/perspective46ke.jpg

EDIT: I used this tutorial: LINK (http://www.khulsey.com/perspective_2pt.html)

[Alcian]

Im just starting out on perspective myself, so I can't crit, but your stuff is looking good and inspiring me to learn more!

[Kei-th]

That's nice to hear! Just start!
And just use google! Tutorial + drawing + perspective

[Kei-th]

Just found a Tutorial (http://www.teamgt.com/forum/cubes02.htm) about perspective + shadow. So I gave it a shot.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8309/shadow13yq.jpg

First try went pritty good in my oppinion.
The left top was just a loose one.
The cilinder wasn't such a succes I need to practice more on a basic cilinder. But anny one knows how a shadow of a cilinder should look? I also made a few mistakes on the sun location with the cilinder I choose the one that's cirkeled.

I also practiced more on ellipses. They are beter then my previous I think. The left side is harder for me so I need more practice on those!

[PriNcE oF SpAcE]

the shadow of the cylinder would have a rounded top(end) at the angle you've set the light(actually any other angle than straight along the top will have a rounded shadow)

I don't know how it would have to be done correctly as I would probably just have used eye measure(I'm lazy like that)

[Kei-th]

the shadow of the cylinder would have a rounded top(end) at the angle you've set the light(actually any other angle than straight along the top will have a rounded shadow)


Ah that's what I thought but I wasn't sure and didn't had a good idea on how to do it ;)

[Fl3wk]

I like how you are nailing down on studying perspective to the letter (i havent got to this point yet), but I think if you have just started drawing, you should really consider drawin still-life and people. Also practive with different shading techniques, like cross-hatching, scribble, crunched, and so on.

[custodian]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/tomacmuni/Life%20Drawing%20-%20New%20for%202006/easy_perspective_circles.jpg

This is kind of textbook stuff, but I noticed the threadstarter's circles and curves are almost there but not quite -- better to either draw free curves or get a bit finer in subdividing the squares around your circles if you want to use straight lines (more accurate but takes a while). After a bit of time it's easy to swing a freehand line which doesn't wobble -- the decision should be based on how much you need that circle to be accurate. You can also buy elipse guides, but I never did. My freehand elipses are probably nothing to sing and dance about though. By the way, I guess making subdivsions of uneven width and length, so long as they are relative, would work on stretchy circles. Egg shapes ... phew ... most product design style curves are complex ... it can help to practice drawing 3D curved volumes rather than just elipses.

[custodian]

This is a bit of a bender. I hope it makes sense and is helpful to someone.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/tomacmuni/Life%20Drawing%20-%20New%20for%202006/shadowbreakdown.jpg

Here's a 3D version - the lines on the ground are arbitrary though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/tomacmuni/Life%20Drawing%20-%20New%20for%202006/tiltedplaneshadows2.jpg


Tom Mooney
TOMACMUNI
http://tomacmuni.livejournal.com

[custodian]

Yeah, the prior example of constructing perspective from elevations looks fine. Sometimes obtaining an accurate side/top/front view of your subject can be really tough though. Nice if you are doing a helicopter or something where you can locate plans fairly easily, but not so nice if is some kind of elaborate fictional palace or castle.

Tom

[Kei-th]

Fl3wk
may be you are right but I want to draw vehicles and envirnomets so I thought if I just on that I will probably get stuck on the perspective things. So I just started with perspective. And I am not really a loose drawer, I can't just draw what I see in front of me.

custodian
Wow! Thanks a lot! That shadow tutorial was amasing! But for the circles I don't think it would be my way of drawing.. Because there will be lot's and I mean lot's of lines needed to draw a complete circle also I don't think that this will be usefull when you need to draw a car with 8 wheels it will cost you years and you have a lot of lines also. But thanks any way!
And I understand what you mean about the SIDE & TOP to Perspective but I just gave it a shot.
Thanks again for the great tut!

[Fl3wk]

Fl3wk
may be you are right but I want to draw vehicles and envirnomets so I thought if I just on that I will probably get stuck on the perspective things. So I just started with perspective. And I am not really a loose drawer, I can't just draw what I see in front of me.

Ah, I'm a loose sketcher so i wont be of much help :)

[Kei-th]

Or maybe you will ;) teach me! :teeth:


Sad I am to bussy to day I planned some more perspective/shadow try's

[Kei-th]

I didn't have a lot of time last days but today I had a bit more time.
I made a sketch for the IDoW not ment for entering but just for practice.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/6502/idow20vp.jpg

I know the perspective isn't totaly perfect but I am still happy with the result.
I stole some of Rob-ot's details on his entry, I hope he is alright with that.

[rob-ot]

Kei-th - like i said on the IDotW thread - very nice!

a good excersise might be to redraw the same transport design in multiple views - front, top, side, rear, high3/4, low3/4, 2point, 1 point, etc!

also - no worries about the barrowed details!

[Kei-th]

That might be a cool idea! but what are the 3/4 high and 3/4low?

[custodian]

You're welcome .. the shadow tut was helpful for me too - and I did it :)
Cool tip about doing the shadows off of a cylinder by subdividing the top edge. I was pleased to see that posted by someone.

[Kei-th]

I was looking trough the Offical Topic Suddestion for the DSG and I found:
"a walking car"
so I gave it a try.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8052/dsgawalkingcar8ug.jpg

[ohjay]

hey kei-th - I just want to second what rob-ot said about drawing things from different angles - it's THE best way to start thinking about objects in 3d. What we did in the beginning of the ID course was to look at images existing objects (kettles, torches, radios, whatever) and then draw them from _other_ angles. Pretty helpful.

When it comes to what W13wk said, have a look at Scott Robertson's discussion on different forms of drawing here (http://www.drawthrough.com/tutorials/index.html).

[Kei-th]

hey kei-th - I just want to second what rob-ot said about drawing things from different angles - it's THE best way to start thinking about objects in 3d. What we did in the beginning of the ID course was to look at images existing objects (kettles, torches, radios, whatever) and then draw them from _other_ angles. Pretty helpful.


So I should draw the same image multiple times but just replace the VP's and place the first line at an other place?
I will give it a shot! But I think I pick an other image then the IDoW sketch because that's a bit a squared thing.
Thanks :)

[devil-inside]

Great studies, man!
You are getting really good!
I agree that you should show us variated stuff, but I think that's ok if you want to learn everything that you can step-by-step and develop it.

Can't wait to see more sketches.

[Kei-th]

Thanks! :)
I still need to learn a lot! And I don't want to rush anny thing but it is hard to study without a teacher.. And I am in the exam year so not much time left.

[Kei-th]

Hyp0calvin gave me some tips on how to draw a car so I gave it a shot.
I didn't use a ruler, first time so the boxes are pritty bad.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2193/car11lm.jpg

Give me any crit you can think of please!

[Kei-th]

I practiced some more on the cars! The first I did with more concentration the other 2 were quickys in school. I have a lot of trouble with the perspective cars. I don't know why but when I use a box they are way to squared but when I don't the perspective is facked
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2982/car32xo.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7540/car48nx.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9295/car21sq.jpg

[rob-ot]

looking good on the studies!

you may want to look into a tutorial on drawing elipses in perpsective... your wheel are looking a little off..

just let me know if you can't find anything, and I will try to draw something up for you to explain how it works!

[Kei-th]

Yeah I am having troubles with the elipses.. but I don't really know how to make them. in perspective I mean when I use a square I don't know the size of the square I need.. I hate them! my next car will have squared wheels!

[Kei-th]

An other car. This time I went really loose and not trying to make the first line good and hard but just more lines until it has the right shape.
First time my perspective car looks a bit ok

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3457/car54xt.jpg
tutorial (http://www.cardesignnews.com/studio/tutorials/040723quick-sketch/sketch2.html)

[rob-ot]

Don't get too frustrated with wheels - they are probably the hardest part of drawing cars and motorcycles - there is some logic behind how they work once you learn the rules they will be easy!

[Kei-th]

I hope so!
But my latest wheel I have drawn is pritty good I must say! it's the back wheel of my latest car

[ohjay]

Hey Kei-th - great to see you're keeping at it! Sketch heaps!

So I should draw the same image multiple times but just replace the VP's and place the first line at an other place?


Kind of - what I meant was, say you have an image of some object from one angle - you could start out by drawing that 'as you see it' (observational drawing), as a warm-up. Then you imagine what that object looks like from the other side, and draw that ('creative drawing'). This time you'll have to construct the object in perspective, and probably add details as you think they would be, rather than drawing what you see.

This approach is (in my experience) a good way to learn both ways of drawing at the same time - I could only draw from life/images when I started my I.D. course, so I have had to learn all about constructing things and perspective from the beginning - even if I thought I 'knew how to draw'. I think it would be very beneficial for you to learn both in parallell.
:blahblah:
I'm sure this was a rather confusing explanation (sorry, I was out late yesterday ;) , read that tutorial on Scott Robertson's site if you haven't already - I'll see if I can show an example of what I mean later.

Rob-ot might have some thoughts on this as well.

In the meantime, just keep drawing! That goes for all of us :yayca:

[Kei-th]

ok Thanks for the help!
I will ehm try it :teeth:
I usually have big problems with drawing 2 images of the same they usually don't look like each other!

[Kei-th]

We started a thread in the Fine arts and studies! With some other guys we are learning the basics! I hope it helps!
Here is out first exersice:

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6091/class11dy.jpg

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=801387#post801387

[Kei-th]

Some other drawings for the same thread:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8357/classt224lc.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3727/classt319tf.jpg

[Cold]

Could you be more disceplined with your lines, most of them are wonky and that takes out the illusion of them objects actually being beleavable.

[Kei-th]

what do you mean with wonky?

[ohjay]

Hey Keith, that thread you've joined seems like a good idea.

Just wanted to give you a hint regarding your last perspective excercise - a sphere isn't really hard to do in perspective - its contour always a circle. It is merely shading that makes it look like a sphere. And when doing spheres for this kind of practice, you shouldn't worry about freehand drawing it too much. Use a compass or something.

And on cylinders (I assume that's what you were drawing inbetween the box and the sphere there), if they are standing straight on the ground plane the minor axis of the ellipse on top and bottom are aligned with the main axis of the cylinder. (Minor axis on an ellipse = draw a line through the two points that are closest together...make sense?)

Here's a visual explanation - sorry if I'm confusing, let me know if there is anything you don't get.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h40/ojkiel/keith-expl.jpg

See ya, keep working that sketchbook!

[Kei-th]

thanks ohjay! it makes sense! I never heard the minor ax of the ellipses in relation with the main ax of the cilinder
for the sphere I never know how to color it right if you have a light source. because how can I know what part of the sphere is the closest to the ligth source...
Thanks a gain!

[Dile_]

yeah nice Ohjay!
and nice work Kei-th
its nice to see that you trying to improve!
especially when you really going for it, like participate in those threads
like this one (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64711&page=2)

[Kei-th]

dile thanks :)
I try but I need to work just harder for it.

[Kei-th]

Wanted to learn new shading, coloring technique's.
I made a mistake at the stylus. I don't have markers so I tried to work with normal color stylus and scan it in grayscale hoped it would work but the red was darker then the green probably:bashful:
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4017/shade5th.jpg

[ohjay]

np kei-th, glad if I can be of any help at all.

You might want to check out Prometheus' (Niklas Janson) general art tutorial
here (http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm), it's a good reference especially for some lighting issues and such. Since I find myself struggling a bit with lighting I should check it out more often...;)

[Kei-th]

yeah I already read that, cost me about a day lol.
But I think I forgot most of it :bashful: Will read it again!

[Dile_]

Dude, that tutoral is worth a year! ;)
Keep drawing Kei-th! You improving fast

[Kei-th]

Haha ok ok I will when I have less stress of the dam school!

[rob-ot]

thanks for stopping by my SB and checking up on me!

Hope school lets up a little for you so you can post some more in your SB!!

[anjin]

well.. what can I say about your sketchbook? You are a great student!!! Now I think it's time also to draw something more... artistic and not only to study shapes, lights, perspective and so on... ;) Well... if you will apply yourself so much also to anatomy and so on...you'll be a master in few time! I hope to see more other your works here.. for now I subscrive your SB. :)

[Kei-th]

Ok long time no posting. I am really bussy with exams and stuff atm. But I wanted to do something.

First environment like:
just a mech. pencil
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1344/env18bq.jpg

And my first attempt at cartoon. On an other website there is a competion and you need to draw a cartoon charcter in 3 different posses/moods. Because the graphic experience isn't so high at that site I will give it a shot!
I know these are kind of riped form http://www.thedrawingstudio.co.nz/blog/ but these are just for trying out more will come!

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5263/cartoon19id.jpg

[Kei-th]

here is another one! more drawingstudio lessons

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/5166/cartoon29ly.jpg

[Kei-th]

Just another update! A page full of doodles. I want to be able to draw things I see infront of me!!!!!!

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6186/doodles13ux.jpg

I am going to do some cartoon drawing tutorials if I can find them. After I am a bit more used to draw without a ruler I will try some other stuff

[Kei-th]

Some kind of abstract piece:
1,5 hours. First time trying it. I am going to more of these! They are fun! Next time I will think before I start :bashful:
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1883/90min5lt.jpg

[Dile_]

Hey really cool stuff!!
hm, I think you should skip useing the ruler, cause
your lines are very unconfident, so try to use a hard pencil (soft light)
to get a sketchbefore doing outlines! like useing 4h first
and then 2h for refining and then HB to make the shapes visible.
and after that maybe play with the shadows with a 4B pencil.
Just an exaple, but right now, try to focus on line confident ;) without ruler!

[Kei-th]

Thanks for the comment but I only have a mech pen.. with HB 0.7
And yeah my straight lines without ruler or not really straight! :bashful:
But when I want to draw something in perspective/straightlines should I use just a pencil without ruler? That is not going to end good!

[Dile_]

hehe, just doing a soft line first !
then make a harder line over it!
thats not hard , and why practice on the parts or good at?
instead of advancing to stuff your NOT good at , to at least
get a HANG of it ;) I dont want you to alsways go without a ruler.
But I NEVER use a ruler myself ;) so just try it

[Kei-th]

I will buy some other materials when I finished my exams
But shouldn't I specialize my self in one part? and when I am drawing straight thing I know what to draw.. when I use just a pencil I always think like: What to draw? Then I start a car see the result a few posts up. Not so good.

Just did this:
I saw it on the internet yesterday so today I wanted to draw it my self. The uper right corner is a bit wrong so most of the effect goes away :bashful:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/6127/form18ke.jpg

Yay! 2nd page!

[Dile_]

its absolutly up to you, to decide how Wide perspective (around your specialized area) you wanna get.
Ruler has nothing with that to do. See it as an exercise to put the ruler a way
for a day or 2 ;)

[Kei-th]

Ok I will! But that will be after my exams! Then I have much more time for drawing! I think I can handle the perspective good enough for now so I want to move on to something else. What do you recommend? Live drawing? Anatonomy? Something else?

[Dile_]

Life drawing :D
And anatomy ;) and reference drawing ;) ;) Hhaha
Ok, well, my recommend is Life drawing! that seems to improve most
ppl! Good luck man ;)

[Kei-th]

Ok thanks for the advice! I will start asap!
Ehm what should I draw from life? :bashful:

[Kei-th]

My first serious attempt at OC:
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/596/jay28gn.jpg

[Kei-th]

2nd attempt:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7904/arm1xu.jpg

[Kei-th]

Some more opencanvas:
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/7321/floes27gp.jpg

tomorrow is my last exam after that I go to the libarary to get some books about drawing, basics etc

[Kei-th]

more attempts.. I am not really improving? :(
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/496/creature11wc.jpg

I didn't go to the libarary yet :( no time..

[Dile_]

Hey dude, were are you ?
Havent seen you in a while! however dont give
up because of that the first sketch doesnt looks pro!
Keep practiseing! DONT GIVE UP ;)
I wanna know what happend to that those books, you got em yet ?

[hypocalvin]

Ok thanks for the advice! I will start asap!
Ehm what should I draw from life? :bashful:

Hi Kei-th, sorry for not replying in your thread for such a long time. I still remember you, but I disappeared from ca.org for like such a long time. :P
I see you have put forth very good effort in practicing and trying new things. I see you have this human head and kind of alien thing going on in digital painting.

Well, have you ever thought about doing still lifes? Like cups and bowls and stuff. Becuase that stuff would be (imo) very good practice and will start up lots of improvement just because the stuff is basic and very academic. It can build up solid foundational skills. The head and the alien thing, some may say that that kind of stuff is a little on the iffy side. So if I were you, I would get some bowls and stuff and stuff and maybe do some pencil studies of them. :) g'job.

[Kei-th]

Thanks Dile, not yet :bashful:
hypocalvin, yeah I disapeared from CA aswell.. In 6 weeks I am going to my Industrial Design school so I will have some drawing lessons then :)

[bhanu]

Draw anything from life, doesnt matter what,its how much you draw the more you draw the better you get.Be patient ,its takes time to improve.Just start drawing.Thats all i am asking of you.
Take care