Some serious selftutoring going down here (help out with crits) [Archive]

JoeHell

March 4th, 2006, 10:09 AM

hey people! i figured it's time to get serious for real with my art so I decided to quit my job at the assembly line in the volvo factory here and go for it (we have something called A-kassa which means I get 80%of my salory from the union, kinda unmoral to take adwantage of to alot of peolpe but I figure since I'm doing something productive with my time it's ok).

Anyhow, I have worked out a schedule to really keep me ambitiour, i'ts as follows..

mon: color theory, color excercises and /or painting nad evening school containing model, painting, life drawing, still life and so on. tue: free work so far. wed: anatomy theory, anatomy studies and life drawing in the evening. Thu: free work in the day and evening school in the evening. fri: perspective theory, perspective excercises and environments. sat: portrait/selfportrait or both, facestudies, heads in general. sun: drawing at my local natural historic muséeum.

i feel I need this to keep me from slacking of.. this is not ment to be a scheduele of military disciplin but more of a pointer and something to keep me at it instead of getting drunk or high with my friends and shit like that.

any pointers about the scheduele are welcome.

well now for the pictures, slap me if I miss updating any day without a good reason. it starts out kinda dull I guess but please have patience there will be more intersting stuff further down.

thursday 2/3 free work and evening school:

a quick light and shadow excersise:

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4424/lightshadow19tb.jpg

playing around mentler inspired:

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/8379/figurer19rt.jpg

some life drawings, kinda inexperienced with this and they turned out really bad this time, any pointers on this is welcome.. thyre like 2 - 5 minutes.. really crappy photos to, sorry for that:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/588/kroki73gk.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/192/kroki81bg.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8057/kroki90ly.jpg

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6936/kroki109fw.jpg

Tobin

March 4th, 2006, 10:13 AM

wait your getting paid by volvo to draw ? hehe.

The life drawings aren't bad at all, remember you should spend more time looking at the figure than your paper.

JoeHell

March 4th, 2006, 10:14 AM

friday 3/3 perspective theory and excercise: Studied theory two hours or so here, alot of stuff to read - http://handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html

Then I did some studys on cubes inspired by a thread at sijun (i think thats the name of the forum), most of the pictures was gone so kinda hard to understand averything..

the one of the bottom turned out aight I think but the one on the top should have hade vanishing points alot furthar away.. charcoal and 8B pencil:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3062/cubes7ue.jpg

JoeHell

March 4th, 2006, 10:26 AM

saturday 4/3 faces:

Some faces on freehand:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2060/faces11am.jpg

and a guy with some obvious alcohole problems in watercolors, fineliner, white fineliner and aquarellpencils, kinda like prisma colors:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6122/bum9vs.jpg

Tobin: No by my union to look for a new job, heh! thats the immoral part of it. it's for people who get laid of and stuff really kinda like a safety net, but it's my only chance to follow my dreams right now so fuck it, it's only for a couple of months til I start school (hopefully) anyways.

Tobin

March 4th, 2006, 10:33 AM

Tobin: No by my union to look for a new job, heh! thats the immoral part of it. it's for people who get laid of and stuff really kinda like a safety net, but it's my only chance to follow my dreams right now so fuck it, it's only for a couple of months til I start school (hopefully) anyways.

ahh that makes more sense, im in a similar position although im working a part time job pumping petrol... i've basically got all the time in the world to work at it and get it right before i start trying to get money out of it. right now i have enough money for smokes and drink and the odd art supplies shopping spree.. try working for people, even if its cheap and not exactly what you want to be doing, im doing some design work on the side, real tedious stuff, but its a great way to get to know people who could help you later.

JoeHell

March 4th, 2006, 11:32 AM

Tobin: yeah what els can one ask for, drinks,smokes and art..
yeah would have to be under the table money if I did that, otherwise I would loose the money from my union and make even less..

heres a real quick portrait sketch of moms.. like 10 minutes:

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/3893/morsan1vg.jpg

guggemmaneuver

March 4th, 2006, 11:41 AM

i commend you for your bravery in leaving your position for study... it looks from your work that your heart is truly in this, and that with some hard work and dedication you will find some work doing what you truly want to. No criticism at this time unfortunately, Just encouragement--> Make every single drawing / painting you do the best one you've ever done, attempt to have flawless craftsmanship andyou'll be in a good place very soon, i promise! Because you are going to be trying to get into some school, i'd highly reccomend trying to keep up with your scanning and presentation aspects of your portfolio, even though, no, that part isn't nearly as fun as making the work itself. If you have to backtrack to get work together when ou need it, it costs you a lot of valuable time... good to have a running archive if you catch my drift

drifts away,
cheers and Bravo!
joel

mentler

March 4th, 2006, 11:28 PM

Go For It Dude!

yeticatcher

March 5th, 2006, 03:24 AM

The work here does show that you are dedicated as guggenmaneuver has mentioned. But in order to get a sense of what characteristic mistakes or areas you might require help with, we might need to see a little more.

What I mean is - there is potentially a style emerging here that is all your own, particularly evident in the group of faces. I think they show an interesting approach to caricature and not neccessarily much to be criticized. Of course if you had a series of portraiture or long poses in figure drawing and we saw definate proportion or structure problems, then maybe crits would come much easier. As these are, the may need a little help with structure and porportion such as how big the ears are and where they are placed - in some caeses too small or placed too low or too high.

At this point, I say do as much life drawing as you can to get yourself back in the swing of things, let yourself loosen up, do lots 1 minute gesturals and ease into the longer poses to add tones, shading and volume

That's it from me, but I will be back to see if there is any true critiquing I can offer. I think this will be a fun thread to visit and see progression.

-Yeti

JoeHell

March 5th, 2006, 05:21 AM

guggenmaneuver : thanks for your comments.. the thing you say about always aim to make ones best picture ever is a very good point which I never really thought of even though it's vary logical, thanks for that..

mentler: thanks man! I will..

yeticatcher: yeah your absolutaly right, I cant excpect real crits before I have filled the thread a bit more.. Since I will update daily there should be enough to start getting some serious critique in a few weeks or so I guess.. yeah please be back, all critique is very welcome..

now I'm of to the natural historic muséum to draw some dead animals.. hungover and tired but cant let that stop me.. I'll be back with an update later this evening..

Mikko Voipio

March 5th, 2006, 05:36 AM

Your work is really quite impressive. Would like to see much more from you. Those shading/lighting studies have done wonders to you. Your talent (hard work) shows especially in the shading. Great stuff. Will be coming back once you update.

JoeHell

March 5th, 2006, 02:08 PM

placeboast: thank you for those encouraging words and please be back..

Sunday 5/3, natural historic(al?) muséum:

Went to the natural historic muséum heavily hungover and with hardly any sleep last night (went home with a gorgeus muse, hah), things were kinda blurry and by the second drawing I felt really sick but at least I got something done and took some insights about values with me..

A rhino i charcole and a little graphite.. was mainly looking for vlues and to get that kinda blocky feeling of the rhinos massive face , plus I'm trying to learn to control charcole, a fairly new medium for me.. would probably have come out more beautiful in only graphite but I learned more this way I think:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7229/rhino00ss.jpg

And a pair of eagles, a mother andher kid I guess, in a nest.. Really dissatisfied with this one, the shading turned out pretty bad, should have been more patient and gone softer first to build it up, feathers are really hard I think, especialy when everything was hungover-blurry.. I was pleased with the original linework but not with the finished picture.. I feel I learnt alot from this pic though, I easily get caught up on details and sometimes ruin good drawings by doing that (as in this case).. What I should have done was to only go for the values and skipped trying to get all the feathers in there, and saved some detail for last:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/4009/eagles01rh.jpg

yeticatcher

March 5th, 2006, 03:47 PM

I think you're on to something with the charcoal useage here. The texture patterns on the rhino's snout came out very nice. You may have gotten a little heavy-handed on the birds, but the softness shows along the neck and chest of mama bird and the lower part of the wing on baby. Overall I'd say it turned out quite nicely.

-Yeti

JoeHell

March 5th, 2006, 04:36 PM

yeticatcher: hey! yeah the snout turned out pretty good, maybe should have gone a little further with that, but on the other hand I might have made it worse.. Yeah you're right about the birds, should have kept that softness all over the thing..

well here's a small sketch from tonight, looks like shit now with no shading and boring outlines.. I'm gonna go for the same kinda look as with the bum up there but a bit more serious, so the boring lines are just that way so they will really show through the watercolor.. Kinda like this thing with mixing watercolors and ink..

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1585/junkie5ch.jpg

March 5th, 2006, 04:51 PM

Looking good so far!

And good on you for having the balls to stick it to the man and follow your dream and stuff - best of luck!

JoeHell

March 6th, 2006, 05:09 AM

Apocalypse Rex: Thanks man!

today will be mostly colortheory reading and shopping for colors and some material i need on the day, I think we have model painting at evening school..
The theory I will be reading is Richard Schmids book Alla Prima.. I'm gonna do his color charts, mincandyman recomended the book to me and it's great..
Think I need to do those colorcharts since I'm really new at colors and need to learn to really see colors and learn to mix the right ones before I can really start painting..

tensai

March 6th, 2006, 05:27 AM

i love these http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2060/faces11am.jpg. nice stylo, nice linework.
and this has got to be the funniest figure studies ive seen. http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/8379/figurer19rt.jpg.

keep updating and crit in peoples threads, so they come and crit yours.
if you have some more stuff its a bit easier to crit. good luck with learning to see, i would say keep it nice and loose.

JoeHell

March 6th, 2006, 09:54 AM

tensai: thanks for the comments glad you like those..

yeah should take more time to comment in other peoples threads to.. will start doing that more.. cant excpect other people to give you stuff if you give nothing back..

monday 6/3, colorstudies: today I have done some reading and been down town to buy colors and some other materials but I'm hoping we will paint at school later today..
Finished the last sketch, did'nt really come out like I had hoped but I'm pretty pleased with it.. Really happy with the way his hand and espacially his knuckles came out..

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/51/junkiecolor1cj.jpg

damdischink

March 6th, 2006, 11:56 AM

It's always good to see a person who commits to themselves to do things they really want to do. Yeah, keep it up man.

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March 6th, 2006, 12:07 PM

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tensai

March 6th, 2006, 05:51 PM

over the last one - i think it is begging you to go over it with some prisma colour pencils.

i was gonna post a link to coros tut for this, but all images are down.

its on top of the sketchbook section. coros importance of sketchbooks... really cool, check it out of yo uhave the chance.

JoeHell

March 7th, 2006, 03:15 AM

tensai: Allready on it.. dont have any prismacolors though, but similar pencils.. allready got some in there on the hand an under the eyes.. But I'll go over his face with them some more.. I feel the face is very flat and someone on another forum pointed out I need to go over the face some more to get past the flatness, espescially around the corners of the eyes..

Well today it's free work so gonna try to have some fun sketching, among other things I will go over the latest sketch with the olorpencils like tensai said..

JoeHell

March 7th, 2006, 11:57 AM

Tuesday 7/3 ree work: Have had a busy day unfortunatly and have'nt had alot of time to draw, but I finished the junkie pic and did some anatomy studies or what you wanna call it..

anatomy from photoref:

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/7164/muscle19qm.jpg

touched up junkie:

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/6243/junkiecolor20st.jpg

Mrianna

March 7th, 2006, 12:17 PM

That's some really awesome stuff! Love your colour works! something about them, real inspiring! :3 Keep it up!

tensai

March 7th, 2006, 05:55 PM

love how that turned out.

JoeHell

March 8th, 2006, 12:28 PM

tensai: Thanks :)

wednesday 8/3: a little bit of anatomy.. alot of other shit to do right now but that will be out of the way real soon..

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6154/muscle24kw.jpg

stine

March 8th, 2006, 01:15 PM

wow, admire your disclipline. wish i would be that dedicated. thanks for making me go back reading my anatomy-book! :) looking forward to see more of your sketches!

Johann de Venecia

March 12th, 2006, 08:22 PM

Figure drawings are rawking. I'd also suggest trying out softer pencils in the upper 6b dept. for a wider range of values. Diggin' that evil santa with the warty nose. Tastee.

JoeHell

March 13th, 2006, 04:28 PM

stine: thanks! dont feel my discipline has been to great lately thogh, heh! but that has had it's reasons, getting back to it now..

lukavi: thank you.. softer pencils for the life drawings? yeah I use em sometimes but I was focusing on charcole there..

well I have had a pretty busy time plus I got pretty sick so have'nt been able to draw much..
but here's the things I have done the last week anyways.. gonna do it everyday again now when I feel better..

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/1866/animals17iv.jpg

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/6774/owls7gh.jpg

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1851/interiour16gl.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6320/tibetanskull8bc.jpg

GHill

March 13th, 2006, 04:44 PM

Hot damn, man! That last piece (skull/japanese waves) is bad ass! Great design/layout and colors.

That's it, I gotta get some water colors now.

JoeHell

March 14th, 2006, 08:40 AM

tuesday 14/3 free work: a selfportrait from this morning.. anyone got any good tips on how to work well with charcole when it comes to portraits? I have seen really good asrtists drawing portraits on the streets using brushes and what I thought was crushed charcole or something.. anyone know anything about that?

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/849/selfportrait48cy.jpg

Recursive_End

March 14th, 2006, 08:48 AM

Very good !
You seem to be very dedicated to what you do, and i can see some progress :)
That last one is good, though play more with values. avoid as much as possible outlining stuff. (mouth, nose, etc...)
Anyway, your doing very good!! keep posting :D

JoeHell

March 15th, 2006, 01:11 PM

Recursive_End: Thanks! yeah gonna do that, should have thought about not doing outlines, it's hard though when your used to it..

wednsday 15/3:

a small start on a little hip hop is dead piece..

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9450/hiphopisdead17gu.jpg

and a and studie, from mirror and life..

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9069/handstudie40vs.jpg

sith

March 15th, 2006, 01:23 PM

You have really nice hands. Just kidding, those are good hands though.

JoeHell

March 15th, 2006, 01:29 PM

sith: thanks! haha!

matbe i should point out that the HATE tattoo is'nt really on my hand, just put it there for fun..

JoeHell

March 16th, 2006, 04:32 PM

thursday 16/3 massive life drawing update:

a few of the other people at the life drawing session:

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6715/klotter363sg.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8002/klotter402wy.jpg

life drawing, varying time:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4295/klotter379bg.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5162/klotter389db.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4972/klotter394kn.jpg

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1607/klotter415ew.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8063/klotter422pk.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2007/klotter435ui.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8988/klotter443dq.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1083/klotter450cn.jpg

and some shit from earlier today:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2755/gangsta6br.jpg

JoeHell

March 17th, 2006, 11:55 AM

friday 17/3: hi! studied some perspective today and played with it a bit to.. kinda simple so far..

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3446/perspektiv15pe.jpg

JoeHell

March 18th, 2006, 12:11 PM

saturday 18/3:

faces:

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5048/faces23uf.jpg

GriNGo

March 18th, 2006, 09:40 PM

you're finished portrait styling is excellent... those colors are badass. you're pencil rendering is very good. Just one critique, in the body studies, some of them "look" kinda disproportioned, but maybe the model was just like that. The upper torso with the muscle arms coming out of it, made me think about that. It looks to compacted. That's it for now & keep up the good work!

later,
GRiNGo 8)

Orozc0

March 19th, 2006, 12:53 AM

pretty sweet stuff.

JoeHell

March 20th, 2006, 02:07 PM

GriNGoLoCo: thanks for the pointers, I'm sure you're right about the proportions, I noticed some errors myself..

Orozc0: thanks!

mondag 20/3: a modelstudie that I am pretty pleased with..

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/7870/model26uw.jpg

JoeHell

March 20th, 2006, 04:24 PM

and some random crap from tonight..

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9241/klotter469oj.jpg

Matt Smith

March 20th, 2006, 04:31 PM

The model study you posted today is probably my fav piece in here, its really nice. I feel though overall your stetches are lacking some structure. Would be good to see some anatomy sketches from books and what not. Just keep practicing, you have a good start.

tensai

March 20th, 2006, 06:54 PM

that model study is looking really really nice man. its tight but loose, and with great readability and lighting...

keep it up man

Tobin

March 20th, 2006, 06:57 PM

your rendering is great, but as matt said you need to work on structure and anatomy, your noses particularly, you seem to have limited grasp on them... a little more structure would help alot. leveling up both corners of the eyes across the face and such, and blocking out forms more often.

hope that helps

JoeHell

March 21st, 2006, 09:33 AM

Matt Smith: thanks for the crits.. could you develope on that thing about structure? kinda slow when it comes to english, I know what the word means but not exactly what you mean with it, heh! is it composition and things like that you are talking about? or just that I should plan the sketches through more?

tensai: thak you! i'm quite happy with that one..

Tobin: same for you as for Matt, what do you mean with structure? know I sound dumb, hah! but "if you dont ask....."
yeah gonna work more on anatomy, any tips on good books on the subject?
I'll sit down later today and do a load of noses and eyes :)

tuesday 21/3: here's another modelstudie from today, not as good as the last one though.. mostly painted, but did'nt bring my camera so I'll have to upload that later, thursday or so..

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5627/model37sh.jpg

Tobin

March 21st, 2006, 11:16 AM

Tobin: same for you as for Matt, what do you mean with structure? know I sound dumb, hah! but "if you dont ask....."
yeah gonna work more on anatomy, any tips on good books on the subject?
I'll sit down later today and do a load of noses and eyes :)

When i say structure, i mean drawing in guide lines, making sure the eyes the bottom of nose and the chin and brow-line are all parallel, and then more detail line making sure the corner of the eye closest to the ear is in line with the corner of the eye closet to the ear on the other side of the face and and the same with the inner corners .. building up with simple lines and shapes that act as guidelines.

As for books, I like burne hogarths books, they are very stylized though, i find if learning from books (dissection isn't very popular these days) that using more than one artists works is a great way to learn anatomy. different artists have different methods and the more you learn the more ways you can do something the better.

Your life drawings are great, but when your in the class dont be afraid to attempt the head and do some head studies from life. When i did life drawing its the one thing i regretted not doing in the class.

JoeHell

March 21st, 2006, 02:53 PM

Tobin: Ah then I get you.. yeah guess i should think more about that..
Hmm i feel more like I should concentrate on the body when doing lifedrawing since I can draw faces anytime but nude fat ladys not so often, heh!
gonna check his books, thanks mate!

here's some noses I did tonight, heh!:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8922/noses11yc.jpg

amarryth

March 21st, 2006, 03:34 PM

fantastic stuff man.. i've been browsing this page for awhile, lost track of time.. heh... i'll be back!

oh, what school and program do you hope to go into this fall?

JoeHell

March 22nd, 2006, 05:51 PM

amarryth: thanks you! glad you liked it enough to loose track of time.. I'm applying to art school at a pretty basic level here in sweden, dont know what the equivalent would be in other countries.. It's 1 or 2 years of painting and other basic stuff.. feel I need to pick alot of that up before I go to higher studies since I've mostly been drawing and learning myself..

wednsday 22/3: started a sketch last night and desided to make something with a more finished look of it, very inspired by rodrigo!s sketchthread but with my own touch as some of you might see, I really like this way of drawing, weaving your sketches together instead of swithing paper and spread them out like with wes9000 and rodrigo! and others do, alot of thanks to them for opening my eyes to that way of sketching, makes it so much more fun:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6508/selfportraitkaos6as.jpg

JoeHell

March 23rd, 2006, 10:25 AM

thirsday 23/3: hey! took the advice to get some anatomy books, started on a hogarth book about drawing hands, really good.. so here's some anatomy studies on hands..

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2900/hands18zk.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1893/hands28gn.jpg

now it's of to school, gonna take a picture of my latest model painting so you can tear me appart with crits, really not very good at painting so far..

poise

March 23rd, 2006, 10:38 AM

yeah!! your workin it! nice studies. keep at it. :)

monotony

March 23rd, 2006, 11:05 AM

wow, your sketches are so great!!
I especially like the last "more finished" piece. wonderful.
and those hogarth studies are so detailed and accurate. mooore please
(although you just updated :P )

kingcoyote

March 23rd, 2006, 01:01 PM

Very nice work! I've been checking you out for a while, just haven't had time to comment... Mainly because while I know you want crits, I'm not sure that I really have any to offer you. I really try to not just give ass-pats, so here goes...

Looking at your rendered peices (those with shadows and highlights, making the form seem three-dimensional) it seems like the images are still rather flat. The shadows etc. are all in the right places, but don't seem to follow the form of the object. Maybe try changing the direction of your marks to follow the shape of the object you are rendering? Maxtormer and ZebsFree both have really good examples of what I'm talking about... Also Jens is good at this too. You should check them out if you haven't already.

You're doing fantastic work here. I really enjoyed your perspective studies awhile back.
Later.
KC

Tobin

March 23rd, 2006, 02:07 PM

those latest studies are great, and you have a great attitude as well... that alone will get you moving fast on the right track...

Dwezz

March 23rd, 2006, 04:19 PM

dude, i totally LOVE your work. It actually inspires me! Keep up the good work!!!

JoeHell

March 27th, 2006, 09:10 AM

poise: thanks! I will!

monotony: thanks mate! more will come, promise. this update is pretty weak but the next one should be more fun.

kingcoyote: thanks for the comments, really helpful actually, have thought about that earlier but never gotten it into my drawing.. gonna try that out more and those guys you mentioned are reallt good and I'm gonna check em out an extra time now with what ou said in the back of my mind.

Tobin: thanks for commenting so often.. and thank you for those words of encuragement..

Dwezz: Thank you! happy it inspires you..

Monday 27/3:

messy dogo argentino for a friend:

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/254/dogoargentino5uh.jpg

same model and situation as earlier but with a bit shorter time:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6296/model40dj.jpg

and some quickies of another model, tried it with ink, didnt turn out very good I guess but it was fun:

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1989/kroki118dt.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5565/kroki127ds.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2381/kroki136bx.jpg

maxetormer

March 27th, 2006, 09:31 AM

Loving the light!!!

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6508/selfportraitkaos6as.jpg

but some of your features look a bit disaligned the lips and jaw do not align
with the nose, and the mouth does not align with the middle line of the jaw
the hand on the first plane looks really nice, but te arm that is atached
to it looks to cartoony and guessed

I love the watercolor color dog as well :^^:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/254/dogoargentino5uh.jpg

Keep the anatomy studing UP!

Sirio_Brozzi

March 27th, 2006, 09:44 AM

Fantastic studies dude. Keep it up.

mentler

March 27th, 2006, 09:50 AM

Love the unity of line and mass in your figures, especially like the short studies and I love the dog with attitude <> keep on truckin'

Jens

March 27th, 2006, 10:29 AM

yea really lovely work in here, i like the dog, and that one page you completely filled with graphite.

as for crits, when you're drawing from life you're being really carefull it seems, try taking a pen and without underdrawing or scratchy lines, try to get the figures/people in a fluent motion.. oh i just saw the ones in ink, can't hurt to keep trying it untill you get used to it more :)

tensai

March 29th, 2006, 05:27 AM

hey man - those figures are looking good, specially the short ones (last two). hope your still gonna hit us with some other stuff as well though man. like this shhit http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6508/selfportraitkaos6as.jpg
and the doggy. nice.

ArcoNL

March 29th, 2006, 06:54 AM

Fantastic sketchbook. Strong clean lines, nice rendering...Just love 'selfportraitkaos' and your hand studies. You certainly deserve a few stars!
** subscribes **

JoeHell

March 29th, 2006, 12:12 PM

maxetormer: thanks man! yeah your absolutely right about the features, had'nt even noticed, thanks! gonna think more about guidelines and things like that next time..
some more anatomy coming right now..

Sirio_Brozzi: thank you!

mentler: thanks alot man! means alot coming from you..

Jens: yeah I need to get better at that, just drawing clean lines and not get hung up on details.. gonna try to think more about it next time.

tensai: thanks! yeah more shit like that will come..

ArcoNL: thank you! my first stars I guess, yessss! haha!

tuesday 29/3:

did some anatomy studies based on a mix of Andrew Loomis - Drawing Heads And Hands and reference photos of skulls:

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5602/anatomy16xg.jpg

and a reeeeally crappy photo (the colors are lots stronger irl) of a model painting in oil. really unexperienced with this so I need all the tips I can get on this area:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/428/modelcolor11hr.jpg

JoeHell

March 31st, 2006, 08:49 AM

friday 31/3: some sketching from last night and a bit today, gonna update with another, a bit better oilpainting soon when I have photographed it..

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7770/klotter476tm.jpg

Idiomatic

March 31st, 2006, 09:09 AM

You've got a great sense of volume, JoeHell, expecially where it comes down to the figure. If I had any crit, it would be to keep an eye on the perspective and proportion of features on your faces (this latest girl's jawline, for example, seems a bit high for the scale of the rest of her face). Awesome work overall!

JoeHell

April 3rd, 2006, 03:21 PM

Idiomatic: thanks for the comment mate!

been having a real bad week inspirationalwise but now I'm getting back on track.. forgot my camera at home so could'nt take pictures of a painting I wanted to put up here, will have to get it up thirsday instead...

here's a lil something I did today just for fun:

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/1909/klotter481zz.jpg

ArcoNL

April 3rd, 2006, 03:28 PM

Nice work. Done in ink & watercolor?

thegreypencil

April 3rd, 2006, 05:16 PM

w00t! another inspiring penciler! keep at it joe! you're going far!

JoeHell

April 3rd, 2006, 05:35 PM

ArcoNL: thanks! yeah watercolor and ink.. lovely combination, the controled ink and the semi out of control watercolor makes it alot of fun to work with..

thegreypencil: hah! thanks! hope you're right..

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3950/klotter499ro.jpg

hah! just kidding.. no but seriously, I dont know what the fuck this is.. sorry..

kingcoyote

April 3rd, 2006, 10:57 PM

Is that a duck with an amaeboid nose condom?! I've heard of them, but didn't think they really existed! How'd you get it to pose for you?

Seriously though, these last couple pics have been a lot of fun! I really that you're not only trying out a variety of media and techniques, but that you're also trying on a bunch of styles.

No real crits at the moment (sorry man, I really do try...), except to agree with Idiomatic about that girls' jaw. It makes her look awfully masculine, because it's so square... also you didn't leave enough room for her chin.

Oh... Here's another one I just thought of. In the picture of the bar scene. Check out the girl holding the drink over her head... I think her fore arm should be longer. Yeah... as I look at it again, that's it. Do you think you shortened it because you were running out of space at the top, and didn't want to just lop off her hand (she would get terribly thirsty if she couldn't hold her glass... though her boob is hanging out, and I'm sure that dude next to her wouldn't mind feeding her a couple of more drinks...)? I do that sometimes too. Anyway, it's something to keep in mind next time.

You're doing some effing awesome work here man! I really enjoy checking it out!

Later.
KC

ArcoNL

April 4th, 2006, 05:25 AM

Cool update again...must try ink & watercolor myself sometime...if only I had a little more time...keep going at it, I love the crazyness of those last drawings...

Cheers,
Arco

Tobin

April 4th, 2006, 11:17 AM

i've just started working a lot more with ink and water colour also, its a great mix of mediums!

I liked the abstractish piece... , just remember to remember your studies when your working out finished pieces.

Megamau_X

April 4th, 2006, 11:35 AM

This is just very good art.

Not to just ass pat, but i really love the life drawings, very soft, very knowledgable, strokes and shades. i am not the biggest fan of most of the watercolored stuff, but i think thats because it could be every bit as soft and clean as your sketches but your letting the media control your approach to your painting, instead of you grabbing the brush up and telling it who's boss.

there are allways tale tale things with every media that makes it stand out, and letting the paint drip is nice, but im not sure if its anything more then aesthetics.

though i think the last one (watercolor and ink) really is starting to come together.

keep it up man, awesome possum.

JoeHell

April 5th, 2006, 10:57 AM

kingcoyote: yeah their pretty uncommon, you have to rub its nose up and down every once in a while for them to stand still but it's worth the effort..
thanks for the crit, you're absolutaly right..

ArcoNL: thanks!

Tobin: yeah it's really fun to mix those.. yeah I know, those two were just for the fun of it and to let loose a bit but you're right, should probably have thought about it more..

Megamau_X: thanks mate! yeah guess I should do some watercolor pieces with more controlled colors, the ones I've done here are more like just having a more fun colorish background then just the white of the paper..

tried a portrait from a photo today and it was so fucking boring I almost fell asleep.. It's one thing using it for reference but yeah people ae right, just trying to copy a photo feels really unrewarding, would need alot more work to start looking good but I just cant continue on it.

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/4413/jconnely8xm.jpg

Orozc0

April 5th, 2006, 02:13 PM

I like how you make your studies more interesting by playing around with compositions and such. Your line work is looking pretty slick as well. And yea photograph drawings can be pretty boring, they only serve as value studies. I wanna see some more life drawings. peace man.

JoeHell

April 5th, 2006, 02:51 PM

OrozcO: thanks for the comment, yeah I know only for values, just wanted to try it out, it was a few years ago I tried it, turned out alot better now so it had a little bit of value for seeing my own progress to.. thanks for the kind words..

some hogarth anatomy:

http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5558/anatomi28kx.jpg

JoeHell

April 6th, 2006, 10:34 AM

a portrait of a friend I started on today, from life:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8586/johanportrait6xy.jpg

manaray

April 8th, 2006, 02:10 PM

I think that your portraits are great. Your figure drawing is very professional. Your work really remids me of Andy Park a comic artists. Have you ever thought of going in to comics?

JoeHell

April 11th, 2006, 01:19 PM

manaray: thanks! nah not really perhaps in a pretty far future and if someone els writes the story, heh!

a little update:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5995/girafanatomy9fd.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5066/jashurg6nm.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9908/kroki144ml.jpg

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6707/kroki155xy.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/572/klotter501or.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/475/klotter517bv.jpg

JoeHell

April 11th, 2006, 01:21 PM

oops forgot this one.. a little painting from my evening school, I feel like it's getting better at least:

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/8150/modelcolor29gn.jpg

JoeHell

April 11th, 2006, 04:14 PM

and a late night sketch inspired by bob katos drawing male faces DVD.. really cool DVD..

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/1455/face18ze.jpg

ArcoNL

April 12th, 2006, 05:33 AM

Aw, he looks so happy! :D
Great drawing dude, nice shading.....

Keep 'em coming,
Arco

JoeHell

April 12th, 2006, 06:19 AM

ArcoNL: thanks mate! yeah does'nt he.. a really happy guy..

saw that the giraff oicture did'nt work so here it is again:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4223/girafanatomy4gf.jpg

ArcoNL

April 12th, 2006, 06:28 AM

Loving it! Great drawing. Lovely lines, weight in the right places! Very, very good...keep 'em coming like that....

Cheers,
Arco

Konstruktion

April 12th, 2006, 06:31 AM

Wow man, really nice! Cool that here are some more Swedes! I'm thinking about starting at some kind off art-school after high-school, do you know any good ones?

JoeHell

April 12th, 2006, 12:39 PM

ArcoNL: thanks man I'll try!

Sarcophagus: tar det på svenska då.. beror ju på vart du bor.. jag känner bara till de i göteborg men har ju själv inte gått på konstskola så vet ju inte.. Göteborgs Konstskola, KV och Nya Domen kommer jag söka till hösten.. Tack för att du tittade in och la en komentar..

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5527/klotter521ra.jpg

jereus

April 12th, 2006, 01:08 PM

Yo- this is fantastic. Great studies, and I really admire your dedication. Go, man, go!
-jer

JoeHell

April 13th, 2006, 10:58 AM

jereus: thanks!

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/6690/klotter5300016lh.jpg

thegreypencil

April 14th, 2006, 04:15 AM

great work joe :)

some crits...that robo suit guy? chest plate looks caved in :(and his left hand looks hastily resolved, the forms around them fingers lookin flattened out.

keep at it!

Niels23

April 14th, 2006, 03:26 PM

Cool stuff! Love your life drawings and studies. Great shading in sketches. Keep it up!

Immortal

April 14th, 2006, 04:59 PM

DUDE!! I wish I could just stay home and practice art and get paid. Oh well...that's one big schedule but hey, it works and it shows. I really like your spacemarines..if thats what they are...whatever they are, they're cool!

Keep crankin'

tensai

April 14th, 2006, 05:40 PM

great updates man. really like how your trying stuff out and mixing it up. watercolour and inks are looking real juicy. its a pity we cant see the paintings a bit better - they deserve better photos man....

keep it up

hurricane

April 14th, 2006, 05:49 PM

you're not really doing anything wrong man! just keep working and try to think of new ways to come up with stuff !

keep it up and share more!

mbetteker

April 14th, 2006, 06:00 PM

Very awesome work... I really see a progression in the quality of your work. It looks as if your figure skills are very strong but you need to work on perspective from what I can tell. Here is a helpful link though i can imagine you already know this stuff, you may find some inspiration here. Good LUCK!
http://www.drawthrough.com/tutorials/index.html

Idiomatic

April 15th, 2006, 03:02 PM

More great stuff, man! You've got a sharp eye for observation, and it seems like the info you're taking from life and studies is really starting to show in your creative work.

manaray

April 16th, 2006, 02:17 PM

i really like your portraits and comic style characters. Your anatomy is very good. have you ever thought of going in to comics?

JoeHell

April 18th, 2006, 04:00 AM

thegreypencil: thanks! yeah I see what you mean, thank you..

Ulver: thank you!

Immortal: thanks! dont really know what they are but yeah sure they're inspired by spacemarines and stuff like that..

tensai: thanks! yeah I will try to get better pictures of the next one..

hurricane: thank you for those words of encuragement..

mbetteker: thank you! yeah I have seen that tutorial before, it's cool.. I'm going to get out more and draw houses, cars and so on now that the spring arrives..

Idiomatic: thanks! yeah I hope the studies rubs of at least a bit on my other work..

manaray: who knows, have'nt thought very much about it but of course it has come up in my mind.. right now I dont have any thoughts about doing comics though..

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8697/klotter540eg.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6074/klotter554oo.jpg

Recursive_End

April 18th, 2006, 04:11 AM

Really nice !!
You handle your rendering pretty well. I personnaly have nothing to crit. Your lines are sharp and exact, you got some cool ideas, and you composition caught my attention.
Good work !
D.

ArcoNL

April 18th, 2006, 04:15 AM

Great updates, love the character with the enormous eyes and teeth....
Cheers,
Arco

JoeHell

April 18th, 2006, 10:41 AM

Recursive_End: thank you very much!

ArcoNL: thanks mate! and thank you for commenting so often.

selfportrait: started on a selfportrait, trying out a technique inspired by MagicMan's mona lisa study, smudging the paper before starting.. used charcole insted of graphite powder to smudge though.. really like the technique so far.. using prismacolors (even though I use some other similar brand, gonna get the real deal soon) with pencil and charcole is alot of fun. really regret going so hard at the ears so early should have left them more diffuse, a lesson for next time since they dont erase well. gonna finish it tomorrow when the light is right again:

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/7190/selfportrait51xf.jpg

JoeHell

April 18th, 2006, 10:46 AM

oh forgot to mention, it's done from a mirror.. also this is the firt time in a while I can see some real progress myself, love that feeling, comparing with my first ever selfportrait just a month or two ago this is so much better and I really feel the studies paying of..

P E N Ricklund

April 18th, 2006, 04:10 PM

Hi there, this is looking really good. Such conifident lines. And I can see that you're getting somewhere, this really inspire me. You're showing us what disciplin is.
I would like to see you interperate more of your studies in your concepts and imaginative art. I'm gonna quote Scott Fisher on this one -"Imagination is a muscle, so flex it!"

I wouldn't have noticed that you your a swede if I hadn't read the first post.
Nothin' wrong with A-kassa ;)
Btw, how old are you?

JoeHell

April 19th, 2006, 04:34 AM

Pencilator: thanks man! hearing you inspire someone els must be one of the greatest compliments one can get!
yeah I try to encorporate my studies in my imaginative work, maybe it does'nt show, hmm.. I mean my imaginative faces for example I think looks alot better now than in the beginning of the thread.. well I'll try to think even more of my studies in my imaginative work then..

hehe! no A-kassa is the shit, have'nt started to pay yet though, should get my first money by june since I quit my job myself and was'nt laid of..
I'm 22..

here's the selfportrait, dont think I dare work on it more, just gets messy:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5088/selfportrait5done5pn.jpg

ArcoNL

April 19th, 2006, 05:49 AM

Lovely self portrait and indeed, you show a lot of progress. One little comment though: I think the area where the neck meets the shirt / sweater is a little flat, it doesn't feel 'round' enough. But for the rest: great job!

Cheers,
Arco

mentler

April 19th, 2006, 08:56 AM

Well done sp <> I would not have lightened the background on the shadow side makes the bg look a little unnatural <> look at Rembranbt and other om portraits <> cover the face and you will see the background are generally the same on both sides <> you get the illusion of it being lighter because of the value than it is against <> my opinion of course but this treatment of the background tends to flatten out form.

Like a lot except for that <> this is a very common treatment and some well known portrait artist use it, I think it is because of the optical illusion I have pointed out, it just seems a little gimmicky to me, and I think your self-portrait would be better without.

You will notice in great portraits the use of reflected light on the shadon side of the head which generally comes from below (if the head is lighted from above)
and often will pick-up the bottom edge of the hairline or a hat.

JoeHell

April 19th, 2006, 09:05 AM

ArcoNL: thanks! yeah you're ight, guess I hurried that part a bit, stupid thing to do..

mentler: yeah I did'nt even think of it, just turned out like that, did'nt really notice until you mentioned it.. thanks for the great pointers, I will be sure to think of them next time..

here's a drawing I did today at the nature history muséum.. siamese calves.. really fun to draw freaks of nature like these, gonna draw a couple of siamese human twins they have in a jar up there next time.. I'm really quite happy with this drawing, the photo takes a bit out of it, had really low bat and cant find my charger so I stressed it and the pictures just turned out blue like they can do in daylight, so had to desaturate and lost some of the contrast in the process..

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6534/calves2cr.jpg

thegreypencil

April 19th, 2006, 06:57 PM

woot...looking good as usual :) keep at it joe!

JoeHell

April 20th, 2006, 08:37 AM

thegreypencil: thanks man!!

started on a new selfportrait today using only graphite pencils and a piece of paper to smudge with.. I feel like the practice is finaly starting to pay of, getting better and better now.. I choose a more fun aproche towards the selfportrait this time.. It's a WIP and I'm going to continue on it tomorrow so I would be very happy for any suggestions and tips before then..
I think I'm going to go for it as it is, without the contoures (how the hell do you spell it) of the head, but I'm not sure.. should I do the rest of the head to?

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/9726/selfportrait67kz.jpg