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[mos667]

Why are we here?
What is the meaning to life?
What is truth and how do I judge the qualities of truth in something?

[Undertow]

the answer to all your questions is 42

[rWDrk]

the answer to all your questions is 42

Actually its

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Every body knows that right ?

[Red_Rook]

*blinks*

[Mort]

1: the purpose is your own.
2:the meaning of life is the opposite to death.
3:the truth is that word that hurts the most.the qualities of truth is based on how much you want to hurt yourself or others.
4: i rock.

[Ilaekae]

Where's that damn thread with the guy who just posted a smilie when you need it?

[mos667]

What are the characteristics that make up a human being?
Is all information absorbed the same way?
Is some knowledge of more importance than another kind of knowledge?

The purpose of ones life is to seek that which is the essence of one's life. Any activity or thought in the pursuit of living/ is one that is neccesary to our being. What does one do once this hunger is met? Wait until you are hungry again.

"The World As I See It" (http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay.htm)
Metaphysics in a nutshell (http://www.philosophyclass.com/metaphysics.htm)
Space, Motion, and Philosophy (http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Philosophy.htm)

[Mort]

old chinese saying:" he who buys drowned cat pays for wet pussy."

well an advice for mos667 is happy ppl are stupid and sad ppl are smart.
so the smart thing whould be to be more stupid.

and all your answers is based on each individual and what they think is important . there is no true answers there is just opinions. one should choose the one that suits them the most i guess.

[Kian]

:D Mort, you legend

[Carnifex]

the answer to all your questions is 42
i'd rather go for 69

[asoir]

i'd rather go for 69
yeah, 42 can get awkward...

[glikster]

Another ancient Chinese saying: Baseball wrong,... man with 4 balls NO walk!

[rWDrk]

You need to watch Lost, you will find all you answers there.

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cheers R3M

[Lady Medusa]

Does everything need a reason?

For me life has no meaning, for someone else it has. People make theyr own meanings... in my opinion, there is no set purpose of living. Its not like it has to have a meaning, othervise life would be rather depressing for those who havent found/doesnt see any meaning of life.
We have no reason to be here either, wer'e just complicating things and trying to fix hem again.

As for your second set of questions... I'm bored and trying to get sleepy, so I'll give my opinion on them.
What are the characteristics that make up a human being?
How would you describe a person to another person? We're all different :)
Is all information absorbed the same way?
Why would it? To me it seems logical it doesn't atleast. You learn something faster if you have interest for whatewer youre trying to learn, You might need different methods to learn/store different things aswell.
Childhood memories are imformation aswell, and I'd hardy belive they get stored the same way as, for example, "how to paint realistic fingernails", allthough basically they are the same.
Is some knowledge of more importance than another kind of knowledge?
I mean knowing how to communicate is more important than knowing how to drive an airplane.

[Kresh]

Hmmm Fuck It! Just roll with it.

[Eric Lofgren]

You need to watch Lost, you will find all you answers there.

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cheers R3M

You're not watching the same Lost that I am then, because everytime I tune in all I get are more god damned questions :)

[JERI]

Why are we here?

I'm here because the end of the condom was torn.

[mos667]

All humans beings have perceptions which they base their realities on. All of these thoughts, perceptions, and emotions that are responses to life are in a subcategory of the being called the “inner self”. This innerself exists independently of other selves (or things outside of the self) because all humans sense, perceive, and think in independent bodies. The innerself cannot directly communicate to bodies outside of itself (I cannot recall something from your memory). However, humans (as well as other species) have been able to associate meaning to things in order to "communicate" and go beyond the innerself. Humans, for example, have been able to communicate in many different societies by associating sounds made by a humans “voice”. In order for this sound association to work, there must be a constant knowledge of what the associations mean, and we call this the “language”. In the case of human language, it is so complex that we are able to explore things that only human minds would have been capable of. However, language has a limitation in that it can never be equally as truthful as the experience. Language can only be the hand pointing at our inner selves.

One amazing thing about this is that our complex perceptions and thoughts have led some humans to a new level of being not experienced outside of the human race. These higher states of being are obtained by fulfilling lower order needs (nourishment, sleep, shelter, etc.) and living by doing what one wants to do rather than what one needs to do.

If one assumption of this argument is that the inner selves exist independently of each other, then the conclusion can be drawn that the realities and truths of one individual may or may not be exist to another. If inner selves are subjective, then anything created by the innerself is also subjective to experience. A humans concept of reality is a product of the innerself (perceptions, thoughts, and emotions), and therefore is subjective.

Does our reality exist only in our mind?

[Mort]

existentialism?, well i think the sad truth both for talkative humans and mute ones is that we are alone in the universe and have really not a bigger purpose then what we make it to be. i think most realitys and existentialism
ideas are based on each and everyone individuals experiences.
so as i said before there is no true answers just oppinions.
and i think language is not at all equal to common sence. becouse of the restrictions of understanding then common sence beats that everytime.

perhaps in your reality you think your a awesome dude, but in mine you are just a dude. so yea, your reality exist only in your mind, but not a reality of perception. like there is still trees and houses in both our realitys. but i dont think your awesome so there our realitys clash.

hope this makes sence.

[rWDrk]

You're not watching the same Lost that I am then, because everytime I tune in all I get are more god damned questions :)


Lets hope there will be answers at the end though :$

"TEll me tha truth"

"You cant handle tha TRUTH!!!"

ow that isnt from Lost is it....:nohope:

[Thunder Doom]

Humans were an accident, or rather evolution brought about by a severe climate shift.

If it weren't for mt. Kilimanjaro turning Africa's forests into barren wastelands, we'd all still be chimps and too busy running in sheer terror from jaguars to worry about stupid crap like "inner self" or "starseeds" or "space unicorns with a million eyes and feet made of damned souls"

[Jonoy]

The best Truth is a lie-
if it is a lie then the truth of it is in its falsehood.
Who can say what is true?
But any fool knows a lie when they see one.

[mos667]

"i think the sad truth both for talkative humans and mute ones is that we are alone in the universe and have really not a bigger purpose then what we make it to be."

I would hardly say that it is a "sad" truth that life is what we make it. Rather, I would say that this statement puts the power of choice in the hands of the individual. If man has a power over his purpose, then man has the power to decide his fate. Your purpose is what you make it, so why not make your purpose what you want it to be? It is your choice to decide what is true in your reality.

"Well, I don't really care what you think mos, and you are teh suck, so my purpose in life is to not worry about the purpose of life."
The power of choice is still being exercised, in that you identify the "truth" that you have no control over your life. When I am questioning you, you should never feel the need to justify your reality unless it conflicts with another reality.

For example, if I wanted to do something, but my action comes in conflict with something you want to do, then there is a conflict which needs to be resolved through justification and comparison. If I want to cut off your foot, and you want to have a foot, then this conflict needs to be resolved. In this case, I would want to cut off your foot in order to satisfy some sadistic desire within me, but you need to keep your foot in order to run away from a lion. For this scenario, your need is more important than my desire, and the conflict has been resolved. My choices (I cut off your foot or I do not), as a result of being able to see the two realities (your need is more important than my want), can then be said to be right or wrong. It is "wrong" to want to cut off your foot, but it is "right" to need a foot.
Conflict, however, is not limited to the realities of two individuals, as my reality can come in conflict with the world around me (I think the world is flat, but I find out that it is not).

Humans were an accident...if it weren't for...[a single event], we'd all still be chimps...

It is a misconception to say that humans are a cosmic "accident". There was change with purpose in the beings leading up to "homo sapiens". Humans are a complex product, a collection of all the traits that ancestors were able to pass on. From this, we can conclude that even though certain events may have brought up certain changes within the species, humans are not the product of one single event (or at least we do not know of a single event that changed us from something else, chimp, to what we are now, human). It would be an incorrect assumption to say that humans are an accident, but it is not fallacious to state that human beings are a product of life.

The best Truth is a lie-
if it is a lie then the truth of it is in its falsehood.

For the sake of wordplay, this is a fun argument to make. However, the quality of something that is "true" is that which is consistent with reality. Something that is "false" lacks the qualities of truth, therefore it is not truth.

Who can say what is true?
But any fool knows a lie when they see one.

To be able to "see" the lie, one must first be aware of the truth. A truth is something that is consistent with reality, but my reality is different than your reality. Truth, then, needs to be further divided into "objective" and "subjective" truth. Objective truth is anything that is true whether we are aware of it or not, and the subjective truth is the truth derived from our experience. The only truth that can ever be absolute is that of the objective, therefore only the absolute and objective truths are the ones that are actually real.

[Thunder Doom]

Humans were an accident...if it weren't for...[blank], we'd all still be chimps...

I didn't say "blank", I said Mount Kilimanjaro, get it right next time.

Monkeys are screwing around in lush forest, a Kilimanjaro appears, monkeys evolve to survive in wasteland conditions.

It's that simple, no space unicorns, no zombie carpenters, no ogres being born from giant eggs and seperating the sky and earth with their bodies, just a big ol' mountain.

[Sorknes]

I'm here to reproduce

Meaning of life is 42

I judge truth according to the amount of alcohol in me.

'Nuf said.

[mos667]

Thunder Doom, I was trying to say that you cannot make the assumption that humans are a product of one single event, as we are products of the infinite possibilities which we cannot comprehend. By quoting you how I did, I chose to ignore your specifics, for you can fill in the blank however you wish, but it would still be fallacious reasoning.

I agree completely that if Mount Kilimanjaro never existed that the history of the world would be different, but I do not agree with the simplification of human terms by saying "This mountain is the essence of man". The mountain is only one thing that our shaped our ancestors, but you cannot deny that there are infinite possibilities that affected every level of evolution from basic organism to human.

I changed the "[blank]" to "[a single event]", I hope this makes more sense.

[Thunder Doom]

Actually I'd go farther and say that "humans" are actually just mutated chimpanzee babies, that matured at a much slower rate therefore causing the skull to harden much later in life which in turn allowed for increased brain mass development.

But I dun know as much about that theory in particular

[Mort]

by talking difficult and robot like dont make you smart. its not clever if noone gets it, allways wondered that about politicians. you just state that you have another theory and almost say thats his theory isnt true. thats just two diffrent opinions. but stating that verbal comminication and the use of tools is what makes the most intelligent species on the planet is in my oppinion wrong. thats just makes us arrogant and silly.lots of apes do the same thing, and the whole community of animals of all sorts comunicate by a diffrent understanding more close to common sence. and they dont build or put themself into so much pain and trouble as the human ape has done. they must be the more clever ones. they dont have to work or make war or whatnot. they just breed and eat and enjoy. sure there is predators in the animal kingdom just as in the human socity and that makes it a dangerous living for many non predators. but thats part of nature.

as the evolution of humans is measured in their tools i dont think we are that advanced, by language we make it to difficult to understand eachothers and if someone pulled the plug on all the power sources then we be back at stone ages with violent groups and whatever they where doing back then.

you seeking a higher purpose or a better understanding how to evolve or become better humans? then study nature and our natives better.


the reason becouse the humans is the dominant species on the surface on the planet is becouse we are the most deadly of all predators, and we kill all that we fear or other predators.

the basic for evolution for animals is that they evolved so that humans whouldnt kill them. and those who didnt want to do that went into the ocean where humans cant see them. the magnificent dinosaurs that roamed the earth and ran on the stepped is now perhaps pigeons in the city.

if we have a higher purpose then our imagination and tools is hard to beleive.
but as we think we are smarter then the jungle apes becouse we wear clothes and go to work everyday then we have much to learn.

we are perhaps the only race that sets stopping boarders on our self such as much better beeings of intelligence and power, like god and aliens.

not sure yet why we insisnt that something is so much better then us.


anyway. more mindless rambling. its fun to use the puddle of gray up there sometimes to other things then figure out how to put my socks on.

[mos667]

Thunder Doom, I fail to grasp how it is possible you can draw conclusions from a theory that you have no knowledge of.

Mort, I am not trying to sound smart, I am just trying to not sound like an idiot. I try to use my spell check and correct sentence structure to portray what I am thinking, and I do not find it efficient to use language if I do not use it correctly.

I really have no idea what you are trying to say in your post. It is so full of grammatical errors that I am reluctant to respond in fear of misinterpretting you.

"...the evolution of humans is measured in their tools i dont think we are that advanced..."

If evolution was actually measured in terms of production of tools, then humans would be the most advanced species that we are aware of. How can you deny that humans make use of their tools in a way that no other species does? You are ignoring every single invention, idea, or thought that has ever happened within a human mind. Just by sitting there at your computer creating the theory that humans are not that advanced, you are using higher logic skills that do not exist in any other species.

I really have no idea what you are trying to talk about in the rest of your post and I did not want to alter your opinion by paraphrasing.

How do humans know how to express the inner self?
In your experience, what form of self expression depicts the most accurate picture of the inner you?

Since this is an art forum, I am guessing that people will immediately draw the conclusion that self expression through art is the most meaningful and leave it at that. I would rather people think about how self expression is limited in that it always an expression of the true innerself and not the actual innerself. It is not physically possible to recreate the thoughts in ones head, but it is humanly possible to express these thoughts (through language, art, music, math, etc.). If our forms of self expression can only hint at the shadows of truth, then why do you place more meaning to a certain expression of the self?

[Thunder Doom]

Thunder Doom, I fail to grasp how it is possible you can draw conclusions from a theory that you have no knowledge of.

Obviously I know what the theory is, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to state it, I meant that it's a lot newer and therefore not as widely accepted as the standard theory that humans evolved into a different creature from chimpanzees.

The theory in question is that humans are just mutated chimpanzees that take much longer to develop, causing increased size and cranial capacity.

Whatever the case, we're still just stupid animals, not some magical uber-race bred from advanced alien boredom.

[Mort]

well what i meant was your making it more difficult to understand then it should be. anyways. dont have to meant that you are clever becouse some dudes dont get what you are saying ,that just mean that they dont get it.
and by that you fail giving them your message and that lacks in intelligence.

your asking why i dont think we are advanced, and my answer to that is that we have only the other life on the planet to compare too, and that doesnt leave much does it. the inventions and tools are just not evolution that is gadgets, and with the language we just make it more difficult for us.
if someone destroyed all the power sources to our inventions and gadgets then we whould be at a stone age by behavior.

and the higher logic is what i call common sence.
most of our inventions and tools are destructive and dangerous so how smart is that? you dont have to be einstein to figure out that the humans whould build a bomb from the theory of Relativity.

you dont see the gorillas in the mist building big ass bombs to whipe themselfs out with. now does that make them more intelligent then humans?

does the choise of not having any pain, war, suffering , wearing clothes and going to work to get money so they can live make them more advanced then humans? i not sure.

human logic is an oxymoron. they trying to be logical as an computor or machine that is built by a human. many seem to think intelligence is by calculating and remembering things, when they indeed build tools to help them with that or in many cases are better at it.


but i dont think the practise of any evolution is based on tools. when i see a wild wolf running in the forest i often wonder if humans is the best creature on the planet.

hope you can understand this by your somewhat robotic use of the language dude.