Concept art in real life.

[Mort]

am allways thinking how fucking cool it would be if they design all the stuff.
and how unbeleiveble boring doesnt it look now?

anyone know why the ppl who designs the stuff like buildings and trams and whatnot not choose a more cool design?

i would feel alot better if they all look cool. and the ppl that dont give a shit now shouldnt do it if they changed it no?

cost and everything aside, some can still make cool designs using the same amount of material and costs. and still make it function.

why does everything has to look so boring?

may sound like a naive kid here , but i still think like this. even after all the crap that life has presented me with.

why isnt there more cool buildings and vehicles out there, not just on paper
?

[AngryScientist]

Taste changes. Something that looked extremely cool 20 years ago looks drab and old to us now. So we do see changes, they're just not very fast. Also engineers make most of the public buildings, transport vehicles, etc. we see daily - function over how cool or fun it looks. And lets be honest, some concepts in both the entertainment and design industry are incredibly impractical. But then again that's what theme parks are for...

:P

[Ilaekae]

I'm thinking wedding dresses by Frazetta...


...ugh...

[DavePalumbo]

I think it is amazing that every single thing mass produced, constructed, or printed was designed by somebody.

Syd Mead used to design cars and trams and such back in the 70s. That's pretty hot if you ask me. You can see some of his real world concepts in Oblagon

[Mort]

yea i know. but i whouldnt mind some addons here and there.
doesnt matter.

and i mean more cool stuff. they all follow the same boring book of design it looks like.

they still look gray and boring even if its an updated design. you know what i mean?

theme parks? dont get it. you mean like disney and stuff?
im talking about great looking concepts like we see here on the boards everyday. just add a thing or two .


everything looks the same allmost and no personal design.

whould you call a healthy life and lots of eye candy impractical?

it just wouldnt hurt if they dared a little more with the everyday stuff we see.

[timpaatkins]

Cardinal rule in real life design: Form follows function

[dfacto]

Hmm... COST?

Let me put it this way: every cool or out of the ordinary buiding I've seen so far has deviated from the standard "four upright plain walls" formula. Maybe it had bent walls, maybe it was just a mess of walls, maybe there were large steel and glass fixtured on the outside of the building, and maybe it was a big brushed steel winding building like one here in Hannover (pretty cool building, I'll see if I can find a pic).

All of this means that you're going to pay more for materials, labor, design, upkeep, and of course there's always the chance that lots of people will think that it's an eyesore. All in all, a building is usually meant to keep the rain off your head and your supplies and equipment contained and out of other people's hands. Most people, and most companies have no need for a neato looking, but otherwise internally average buildings. Why bother? A funky building won't boost productivity, but it will hit you in the pocketbook when making it.

Here's another building here in Hannover: http://tecfa.unige.ch/~nova/img/hannover.jpg

It's actually a pretty screwed up thing when seen in broad daylight and is absolutely out of style considering that the classic 1800s City hall is right next door to it. Aside from that, how much more do you think was payed for that over a more conventional design? How much more do you think is payed for cleaning the outside of that, considering that it's all glass, and twisted every which way? What functional advantages does that building convey to it's workers?

Oh yeah, and after a few initial glances, I don't pay attention to it anymore. Summary: Failure.

Of course, I'm not in the field, so if any architects are here, I'd like to know if I'm right or wrong in my assessment.

[MoP]

http://readingcities.com/images/uploads/ROM-Groundshot.jpg

Look what they're doing to the Royal Ontario Museum. I bet some people think it's really cool... I think it's an eyesore.

If you look at stuff like car concept design, you'll see that manufacturers often pump loads of money into making one or two versions of these "conceptual" ideas and making them work, but the problem is cost. It's just not feasible to produce things like that on a mass scale.

Like AngryScientist said, it's function first, design later, for the most part. There are quite a few buildings in the world which look really cool, futuristic and "concept-arty", but again that's because a whole load of resources was pumped into the design and creation of it.

Part of the reason a lot of "our kind" of concept art looks so cool, is because the person drawing it doesn't have to worry about how it works, generally. They can focus purely on the aesthetics without caring if it's actually physically possible or workable from an engineering standpoint. Usually it happens the other way round in commercial architecture and product design work, I think - you have a set of parameters to meet on how the thing can be constructed, which drastically limits the aesthetic possibilities in most cases.

[Mort]

Cardinal rule in real life design: Form follows function
ok lets pretend that your a left brainer, and you dont give a shit what stuff looks like anyways becose you busy counting stuff or whatever i use my computor for.

if function is a more healty life becose it looks better wouldt form adjust to that?`

i mean lets take a buss, and then add a cool chassi on it .
it stills runs and a can pick up ppl. still funtions but now it looks cooler.

its just a silly rule thats all.

those two pics of the buildings looks like crap.
very artsy and too much if you know.thats not cool.

[MoP]

I mean, let's take a bus, and then add a cool chassis on it.

Yes, it's possible. The only problem is, it's expensive. Are you going to be the one to tell the transport company to get rid of all their existing buses, and pay millions for a new one that performs the exact same function?

[Mort]

Yes, it's possible. The only problem is, it's expensive. Are you going to be the one to tell the transport company to get rid of all their existing buses, and pay millions for a new one that performs the exact same function?


if you can take the same ammount of material and cost but make it look cool instead then yes.

and not the existing ones no, but maybe the latter ones.

[dfacto]

i mean lets take a buss, and then add a cool chassi on it .
it stills runs and a can pick up ppl. still funtions but now it looks cooler.

Maybe that bus will cost $10,000 dollars more. And maybe you'll need to 100 for your city. And maybe you'll be shelling out a cool million for shits and giggles, and maybe, just maybe, the bus is just a tool for transporting a bunch of morons who will fuck it up with graffiti anyways.

It's a waste of time, money, and effort.

[Denart]

ok lets pretend that your a left brainer, and you dont give a shit what stuff looks like anyways becose you busy counting stuff or whatever i use my computor for.

if function is a more healty life becose it looks better wouldt form adjust to that?`

i mean lets take a buss, and then add a cool chassi on it .
it stills runs and a can pick up ppl. still funtions but now it looks cooler.



nice spelling :bashful:


ANYWAYssss......
Most of the buildings are for middle aged - old business men and I don't think they want fancy "conceptart.org" looking buildings to work in

[DavePalumbo]

this makes me think of the Neo Brutalist architectural style. Apparently it was big in Mexico City in the 80s, lots of buildings that were pure function. All concrete and hard edges, everything looks like parking garages. You can see some in Total Recall.

[Mort]

Maybe that bus will cost $10,000 dollars more. And maybe you'll need to 100 for your city. And maybe you'll be shelling out a cool million for shits and giggles, and maybe, just maybe, the bus is just a tool for transporting a bunch of morons who will fuck it up with graffiti anyways.

It's a waste of time, money, and effort.


well ppl tend to add some paint and pictures on it becouse it looks so fucking boring you know.

ok so maybe we need some cool ppl in the city too then. ones who wont tag on your new bus and some guys that acctually buys them.

im talking a normal bus but it looks better.
nothing like lasers in the front and discolights on it.

[dfacto]

Jesus, just get it through your head. IT WILL COST MORE. Thats it, end of story, nail in the coffin.

Do you really need us to explain to you how the world is ruled by money grubbing assholes, or shall you just look at whatever cheap trinket is at hand and see that it was made in asia because that was the cheapest place.

Nobody is going to pay millions for ZOMG cool buses, it WILL cost more no matter how you slice it, and no city has perfect citizens who will appreciate them like they should.

It's a pipe dream left for a more civilized, affluent, and aesthetically conscious time.

[Mort]

nice spelling :bashful:


ANYWAYssss......
Most of the buildings are for middle aged - old business men and I don't think they want fancy "conceptart.org" looking buildings to work in

yea but they allso dont give a shit if the buildings looks like that.
aslong as the money goes around or whatever their life meaning is.

allways wondered where the middle aged old business men came from?
heard they are grown on a feild just outside guatemala.

yea my spelling isnt poetry i know. hehe.

[Mort]

Jesus, just get it through your head. IT WILL COST MORE. Thats it, end of story, nail in the coffin.

Do you really need us to explain to you how the world is ruled by money grubbing assholes, or shall you just look at whatever cheap trinket is at hand and see that it was made in asia because that was the cheapest place.

Nobody is going to pay millions for ZOMG cool buses, it WILL cost more no matter how you slice it, and no city has perfect citizens who will appreciate them like they should.

It's a pipe dream left for a more civilized, affluent, and aesthetically conscious time.

i think ppl will be happier and work more and more effective if the enviroment is better and more pleasing. so i think in the long run they will make more money if they did.

but yea , its about the fast buck and dont care about 3 years ahead.
shame isnt it?

[figure2]

Cardinal rule in real life design: Form follows functionExcellent point. The purpose of concept art is to design images that look so cool and exciting that lots of people will buy movie tickets or buy the games because of those images. Concept artists have to be able to not distract themselves themselves with what is actually possible.

A good example is concept art body armour. Much of what I see on the CA forums are suits that would be so bulky or heavy that the user would be severely restricted in their movements or even trip over their own feet. In the case of female fighters, the priority of the concept artist is to show as much skin as possible, offering little or no protection to the user. The female fighter armour might consist of a small amount of metal that barely covers the nipples & groin area along with big oversized boots, possibly with high heels that would undoubtedly slow the user down.

I am sure that real-life designers of body armour have a good laugh at the ideas concept artists come up with but would never be so irresponsible as to design suits like this for real-life police officers or soldiers who have to face real-life threats.

[dfacto]

i think ppl will be happier and work more and more effective if the enviroment is better and more pleasing. so i think in the long run they will make more money if they did.

but yea , its about the fast buck and dont care about 3 years ahead.
shame isnt it?


Yes, yes it is. :\

[dusty imp]

i think ppl will be happier and work more and more effective if the enviroment is better and more pleasing.

you don't seem to comprehend that what looks "cool" is a matter of opinion.
a lot of people like ordinary looking shit.

[Elwell]

and i mean more cool stuff. they all follow the same boring book of design it looks like.

they still look gray and boring even if its an updated design. you know what i mean?

everything looks the same allmost and no personal design.


I'm glad I don't live in your word.

[MoP]

I think people will be happier and work more effectively if the environment is better and more pleasing.

It's an interesting point. I do actually think people would be much more likely to use (and enjoy using) public transport if everything was new, shiny, clean, warm and comfortable and impeccably designed.

The extra cost of building, for example, a new fleet of sleek, comfortable buses, might actually be offset by more people using them due to the increased desirability of travelling in such a way - nobody really enjoys going on a grubby old rattling bus with chewing gum on the floor and swearwords scrawled on the walls, cigarette burns in the seats.

The only problem then, is as dfacto said, what to do about those people who just don't care about keeping everything in good condition? What if the people who do crappy (non-arty) graffiti on the old buses come on the new buses and do the same? Just because it's new and nice doesn't mean they'll magically stop wanting to scrawl their name on it. Similarly people who just drop litter everywhere, they don't stop to think about the effect it will have - why would a new bus make them change their ways?

You'd then have to either increase security measures on the new buses (which the public in general don't usually like), or hire more people to keep the buses secure, clean and running well. And again, that costs money.

Sure, it'd be nice, but at this point in time it's a pipe dream because there are simply too many people who don't care about anything that doesn't belong to them personally.

[_Mario]

if you can take the same ammount of material and cost but make it look cool instead then yes.
...but make it look cool... ? There are many good designs that "look cool". Just because you or someone else doesn't think it's cool doesn't mean that it's bad designed (or that it's not cool for someone else). Design is relative. What works for action games/films will most probably not work that good in real life.

And the same material/cost agument doesn't work because once you can make that "fancy stuff" as cheap as the "normal stuff" is now the normal stuff will be ven cheaper too. So the fancy stuff is more expensive than the narmal stuff.

The companies need to spend their money. Sometimes things get designed and appeal more to your aestethics, sometimes they don't. And companies that create products for the masses need more average design that appeals to many people and not something "exotic" that only appeales to a selected few. For that you have some companies who specialize in expensive luxury goods.
We would need something like the "start trek-stuff-cration-thingies" for your ideas to work. That would be a switch from rapid prototyping to rapid manufacturing (or something like that). But you won't find that in normal stores (at the moment and probably near future).

And there are enough buildings that look unconventional and would fit right in here you just have to look around (the internet for pictures).

Get used to the ida that the world doesn't revolve around your description of "good".Set up a company and start producing all the "cool stuff". Let's seehow long you last (and remember that your employees need money to buy food for their families ;) ).

[Mort]

It's an interesting point. I do actually think people would be much more likely to use (and enjoy using) public transport if everything was new, shiny, clean, warm and comfortable and impeccably designed.

The extra cost of building, for example, a new fleet of sleek, comfortable buses, might actually be offset by more people using them due to the increased desirability of travelling in such a way - nobody really enjoys going on a grubby old rattling bus with chewing gum on the floor and swearwords scrawled on the walls, cigarette burns in the seats.

The only problem then, is as dfacto said, what to do about those people who just don't care about keeping everything in good condition? What if the people who do crappy (non-arty) graffiti on the old buses come on the new buses and do the same? Just because it's new and nice doesn't mean they'll magically stop wanting to scrawl their name on it. Similarly people who just drop litter everywhere, they don't stop to think about the effect it will have - why would a new bus make them change their ways?

You'd then have to either increase security measures on the new buses (which the public in general don't usually like), or hire more people to keep the buses secure, clean and running well. And again, that costs money.

Sure, it'd be nice, but at this point in time it's a pipe dream because there are simply too many people who don't care about anything that doesn't belong to them personally.


if you make a bus that is so pleasing that everyone whould feel at home in it or whatever. then that whould make a big diffrence in what ppl do.
its often an act of showing how they dislike it by trowing garbage in it and paint on it becouse they paintjob sucks or something.
perhaps some dudes whould still paint on it for a territorial purpose or something. but rome wasnt built in one day.

[Mort]

...but make it look cool... ? There are many good designs that "look cool". Just because you or someone else doesn't think it's cool doesn't mean that it's bad designed (or that it's not cool for someone else). Design is relative. What works for action games/films will most probably not work that good in real life.

And the same material/cost agument doesn't work because once you can make that "fancy stuff" as cheap as the "normal stuff" is now the normal stuff will be ven cheaper too. So the fancy stuff is more expensive than the narmal stuff.

The companies need to spend their money. Sometimes things get designed and appeal more to your aestethics, sometimes they don't. And companies that create products for the masses need more average design that appeals to many people and not something "exotic" that only appeales to a selected few. For that you have some companies who specialize in expensive luxury goods.
We would need something like the "start trek-stuff-cration-thingies" for your ideas to work. That would be a switch from rapid prototyping to rapid manufacturing (or something like that). But you won't find that in normal stores (at the moment and probably near future).

And there are enough buildings that look unconventional and would fit right in here you just have to look around (the internet for pictures).

Get used to the ida that the world doesn't revolve around your description of "good".Set up a company and start producing all the "cool stuff". Let's seehow long you last (and remember that your employees need money to buy food for their families ;) ).

how about steampunk everyone thinks that looks cool ;)
yea i get it. you need some broccoli to enjoy the ice cream.

still whouldnt mind seeing some more eye candy out there amongst all those industrial massproduced stuff.

[MoP]

Hahah, there's a Thunderdome for you. Redesign public transport so that nobody would want a car since they'd look boring by comparison!

We could have steampunk trains. There are still some old steam-driven trains around, bring them out of the museums and fit them up with cool-looking technological bits, put them back on the rails... everyone would wanna ride the Steampunk Express!

[H.Evans]

this makes me think of the Neo Brutalist architectural style. Apparently it was big in Mexico City in the 80s, lots of buildings that were pure function. All concrete and hard edges, everything looks like parking garages. You can see some in Total Recall.


Lol kinda like some of Temple main... philly got a sort of science fictionish feeling tower recently... http://phillyskyline.com/bldgs/cira/cira_05fall.htm

[Mort]

cool stuff dosnt have to be future looking things.
but the building was nice. the mirror effect on the top there was neat.

[Mort]

its my house.
?
like you did it or live in it?

[2100]

...Troll

[Vincent Hammet]

http://www.smu.edu/smunews/calatrava/slideshow/images/TurningTorsoTower-Construction2.jpg


If u ask me, i think this is pretty cool. It´s already built.
Yeah, I want to live in a sci-fi movie--- but today the builiding are boxes. Cars are boxes. Etc...
Well, become a great designer and change the world!!

[Interceptor]

I JUST saw this on Daily Planet as I was reading this thread. It's a new space suit called the "bio suit", from NASA. Still under development. Being made to give the astronauts for articulation of the joints.

http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/biosuit_images/Newman_biosuit.jpg

And here is a link to an article on it.
http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/

And You should bee this place at night. it's the train station / mall in Kyoto. When I went there I remember it raining. neon lights everywhere and they played this trance music with nature sounds on the top floor, which was an empty lounge. Where the roof was open and the walls were glass so you could see over the city.. right to Kyoto Tower. it felt amazing, how you could slowly hear the music getting louder and you got higher up..

http://www.dgolds.com/oldsite/Japan/Images/016_Kyoto_Station.jpg

[Mort]

I JUST saw this on Daily Planet as I was reading this thread. It's a new space suit called the "bio suit", from NASA. Still under development. Being made to give the astronauts for articulation of the joints.

http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/biosuit_images/Newman_biosuit.jpg



ok so now it just needs some pentagrams and knifes and chains all over it and paint it red and black :)
just kidding.

the japanese has a very pleasing design to allmost everything they build.
they combine nature and hightech in a very great way.

[Mike Frank]

Here's a good example for you. I just had to buy a new (used) car and I don't have a ton of money, nor was I interested in making loan payments. I could either have bought a good, dependable, car that doesnt necessarily have a badass design... or I could've bought a fast little sportscar that looks cool and probably has been ragged all to hell by the previous owner. I ended up going for the more contemporary car and am now the proud owner of a '94 Buick Lesabre :) Its an old man's car.. but its in great condition, was a great deal and is comfortable as hell. If I went for the sportier car it would've costed more money to buy it and probably required more maintenance. When you're talking about real life design the purpose and function of the form will always be the top priority. No one necessarily needs a cool looking car, building, public transit system, etc. What they need is way to get back and forth to work and around town. Good designers balance the aesthetics with the necessary functions to make their products look appealing.. and thats what industrial design is all about.

[Mort]

Here's a good example for you. I just had to buy a new (used) car and I don't have a ton of money, nor was I interested in making loan payments. I could either have bought a good, dependable, car that doesnt necessarily have a badass design... or I could've bought a fast little sportscar that looks cool and probably has been ragged all to hell by the previous owner. I ended up going for the more contemporary car and am now the proud owner of a '94 Buick Lesabre :) Its an old man's car.. but its in great condition, was a great deal and is comfortable as hell. If I went for the sportier car it would've costed more money to buy it and probably required more maintenance. When you're talking about real life design the purpose and function of the form will always be the top priority. No one necessarily needs a cool looking car, building, public transit system, etc. What they need is way to get back and forth to work and around town. Good designers balance the aesthetics with the necessary functions to make their products look appealing.. and thats what industrial design is all about.


well i try to make sence here.
i meant that if you manage to make intresting design but keep the cost and stuff as it would do at a normal boring looking car.

what if you could have all those things that you explained but with a great chassi?

im no mechanic or otherwise, just want more eye candy.
i feel much better seeing cool cars then boring boxy cars all over.

if that means that the cool designed car would cost more money then the boring car. then make the boring car look cool too.

ok cool and intresting design is in the eye of the beholder. but some stuff is like universal wtf?

grey and boxy stuff is just not right.
some might feel more comfortable in a safe boring car then a fancy design car, then so be it. but those ppl i dont think would give a shit if the boring car got just a bit of personal design.
look at the cars from the 50`s and 60`s all had some personal touch to them.
now they all just look like clones from some industry somewhere.

those cars are still cool today. wonder if anyone whould like a saab 9000 in 30 years or so.

[timpaatkins]

Have you thought about this?
If everything, as you so eloquently put it "looked cool", then by that fact, nothing would look cool. EVERYTHING you see today was once, or is based on the avantgarde of their respective time. If everything you see around you was uber designed, then how would you know what was cutting edge? And if in fact everything was "supercool" that would soon become generic, and youd seek other things, and be mad that everyhting didnt look like that.
I like to call this phenomenon the decay of esthetics.

If the boring car looked cool too, how would you know that you had a cool car?

On another note, who are you to dictate to everyone else what is cool and what isnt?

[DavePalumbo]

The female fighter armour might consist of a small amount of metal that barely covers the nipples & groin area along with big oversized boots, possibly with high heels that would undoubtedly slow the user down

dude, that's why it's also magic. But seriously, I agree. I did some paintings with armored fighters recently and did the armor as close to the stuff hanging in the Philly Museum of Art as I could manage. I was amazed how not like typical fantasy armor the genuine article is. I don't understand why, because the real thing looks pretty bad ass. I know it's not so "sexy" as a metal bikini, but on male soldiers I see no reason but perhaps a lack of research. I may be alone on this also, but I think a girl with a pretty face and a righteous suit of armor is pretty hot too, as well as practical.

like some of Temple main

right on, haven't been up there in a couple years, but I remember that there were buildings (I think they were even the science buildings) that looked straight up Planet of the Apes. I also dig the new tower Philly put up near 30th st. station, all twisty and glass. Looks like a giant crystal growing out of the city.

[DavePalumbo]

I could either have bought a good, dependable, car that doesnt necessarily have a badass design... or I could've bought a fast little sportscar that looks cool and probably has been ragged all to hell by the previous owner

dude, just replaced my recently deceased Cadillac with a '90 Volvo wagon. I was looking for a dependable wagon so I could carry paintings and band gear, and was disapointed how station wagons are actually attempting to look cool nowadays. It's terrible, wagons are supposed to be shoeboxes on wheels, not sleek and sexy. I like that the european cars held out on the boxiness a little longer (and yes, my friends do make fun, but damn I love my Volvo).

[Pixeldragoon]

how about steampunk everyone thinks that looks cool ;)
yea i get it. you need some broccoli to enjoy the ice cream.

still whouldnt mind seeing some more eye candy out there amongst all those industrial massproduced stuff.

Of course! Because everyone loves for you to speak for them.



BTW, great new emote! :D:lens:

[light]

Go spraypaint something.

[Farvus]

Few years ago I started studying architecture and right now I can value some things about form of the building. Many Sci-Fi enviroments from professional artists look cool. Unfortunatelu not much of them could be good enough as architecture. I especially mean these big mega-constructions with few miles bridges without any pillars to support them ;).
Many of those Sci-fi cites, constructions are too monumental/heavy so people would feel unpleasant while being near to them. They are also very often too expensive be built. Sometimes they even have no windows....

...but I still like sci-fi urban enviroments :P.

PS. Sorry for my english. It may be unclear.

[Mike Frank]

dude, just replaced my recently deceased Cadillac with a '90 Volvo wagon. I was looking for a dependable wagon so I could carry paintings and band gear, and was disapointed how station wagons are actually attempting to look cool nowadays. It's terrible, wagons are supposed to be shoeboxes on wheels, not sleek and sexy. I like that the european cars held out on the boxiness a little longer (and yes, my friends do make fun, but damn I love my Volvo).

Haha, hell yeah man! I like the boxy design also, especially on wagons /trucks/vans. A lot of car designs today seem to reak of that plastic NURBs-y (3D) look. (My dad's got this Chevy Tracker that just looks way too bubbly.)

But Dave rasies up another point.. you gotta consider what other purposes the form has. Station wagons are designed to appeal to people that either want to cart around a lot of people, or cart around a lot of gear. Sports cars are designed to be fast and suck on passenger and carrying space. Cargo vans are designed to have a LOT of space, and dont have passenger windows in the back because its not designed for people to sit back there. Hell, from what I understand the VW bug was designed with the engine in the back so that Hitler or other officials could ride standing in the front during parade type functions. All of these things definitely affect the look of the vehicle. Homer simpson wants a car with a separate bubble for his children so that he doesnt have to deal with them..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/some_guy/homer.jpg

[DavePalumbo]

Few years ago I started studying architecture and right now I can value some things about form of the building. Many Sci-Fi enviroments from professional artists look cool. Unfortunatelu not much of them could be good enough as architecture. I especially mean these big mega-constructions with few miles bridges without any pillars to support them .
Many of those Sci-fi cites, constructions are too monumental/heavy so people would feel unpleasant while being near to them. They are also very often too expensive be built. Sometimes they even have no windows....

found a Berkey quote earlier tonight:

"There are hazards in knowing too much about engineering or technology. It can limit the imagination."

[Farvus]

Hehe. They told us something like this at the beggining of the studies and I'm aware of this :).
I mainly meant to say that some concepts have big functionality problems. Technology limitations aren't so important. This is science-fiction after all :D

[jkior]

haha davep, gotta love those volvo wagons. . .heh turbo'd mine, now *nobody* knows what happened!

anyway honestly timpaatkins said it best. . .took me a loooong time to realize this but there's amazing beauty and life everywhere. . .even in the grimmest, most 'boring' cities. None of it exists until you go to the effort to see it. Then once you learn to see it. . .you'll love every minute. Beauty very literally is in the eye of the beholder - don't blame other people, they don't control how you see the world. Anyway I don't mean to offend. . .it just takes time and patience. . .and realizing that the grass really isn't greener.

mike

[thistly]

I like those ultra modern million-windowed places enough, but only in very new cities where they don't look scream "LOOK AT MEEEE". Like dfacto said, they look like ass in a city with old or old-looking buildings. And some of them look like they're not finished (or that they're permanently being fixed up) with the weird scaffold-like bits stuck all over :p

[Magic Man]

am allways thinking how fucking cool it would be if they design all the stuff.
and how unbeleiveble boring doesnt it look now?

anyone know why the ppl who designs the stuff like buildings and trams and whatnot not choose a more cool design?

i would feel alot better if they all look cool. and the ppl that dont give a shit now shouldnt do it if they changed it no?

cost and everything aside, some can still make cool designs using the same amount of material and costs. and still make it function.

why does everything has to look so boring?

may sound like a naive kid here , but i still think like this. even after all the crap that life has presented me with.

why isnt there more cool buildings and vehicles out there, not just on paper
?

because often buildings only serve a utilitarian purpose, and that dragging out the development cycle just for looks isn't practical.

[Mort]

because often buildings only serve a utilitarian purpose, and that dragging out the development cycle just for looks isn't practical.

yea i know. but the looks can and sure will improve the state of humans that dwells around or in the building . and that will later improve the state or whatever.

they spend to much money on escaping boring reality then on reality itself.

[fersteger]

I think most of the new and recent architecture Ive seen looks damn cool. Maybe you just live in an ugly city mort lol. Anyways heres some pics from Roppongi, Japan, I think these places look cool, futuristic, etc and seem to serve a purpose. I agree that everything looks cool, even a solid concrete block is cool if you look at it with the right mindset or something.
http://www.moonsloth.com/images/RP1.jpg
http://www.moonsloth.com/images/RP2.jpg
http://www.moonsloth.com/images/RP3.jpg
http://www.moonsloth.com/images/RP4.jpg

[timpaatkins]

Hey was that spider exhibited in the Tate about 2 years ago?