Do artists in general stutter?.....can't talk...quite types?

[NoSeRider]

OK, I think most of you have read my thoughts, but that's the problem...they're just stuff I right down.

I talk fluently depending upon the person I interact with. People that intimidate me cause me to stutter or not speak fully constructed thoughts. Mostly because I've met a lot of disturbed people in my life, and there's a lot of them.....usually people that are prone to showing conviction with emotion to their opinion intimidate me.....just think of teenagers and their social pecking order.

And that's too bad, because I'm willing to talk to people 'rationally'.....not if it ends up being "I'm right, dumbshit". It's more about deductive reasoning, not who's right or wrong.

Do you think that's common?

Do you think your ability to communicate depends upon how the other person reacts, or do you believe you speak your mind and convictions regardless?

Don't think I'm a push over though. Get me angry, and I'm relentless.....I got Obsessive Compulsive Disorder just like the rest of you.....hey, you're an artist. It comes with the territory.....yeah yeah yeah yeah, denial.

Alot of it has to do with being in a place you're familiar with too. I'm sure a lot of you behave the way I do if you're in a place you're not familiar with.

I don't know if I have OCD, it just sounds so avante guard.....read this thread:
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55328

You realize I think this is funny....maybe not.

[l.e.b]

I think if you were to base your opinions of yourself on how you make people react its not good.
Its not like giving the person what they want to hear, but it can mess their head up and cause them confusion. Its like someone trying to be nice to you but theyre lying continually and trying to make you not notice.
I useally find a common ground with the person im talking to, i guess its morals, so you can make a decision on what is right or wrong and expect them to agree. If they dont then someone is gonna think the other is being imature or is insecure
I guess i didnt understand all that u wrote but i hope that this is something to do with it

[NoSeRider]

I'm just trying to figure out 'how' behavior influences how you communicate?

Do you realize you feel and behave differently in different situations?

Don't take this for granted. I find it very strange how different personalities make you behave differently.

[Dizon]

I'm just trying to figure out 'how' behavior influences how you communicate?

Do you realize you feel and behave differently in different situations?

Don't take this for granted. I find it very strange how different personalities make you behave differently.

didn't you post a similar thread before????

[NoSeRider]

No, that was about behaving differently.

Now I'm wondering if you talk effectively?.....do you feel you can communicate effectively?

Maybe it's the same thread......too late to delete.

[l.e.b]

The only time i notice myself changing behaviour is when being more polite, when trying to get a job or meeting someone, you cant act antisocial and end every sentance with and shit.
When you go out sometimes you have to act careful or depending on who your with, i guess after a while it becomes alright and you can relax. Im talking shit now

If i followed the same behaviour everywhere and anytime, then im sure i would be getting nowhere. Sometimes ur forced to act a certain way because you have no money or havent eaten, had sleep whatever and it make u realise your not getting anywhere with people.

[Dizon]

I have a problem speaking in public. I easily get so nervous. I think I need to cure that if I want to teach art, but I'm comfortable talking about it though. I'm also a very quiet guy. I don't say anything unless I need to or when I feel to. I don't see any point blabbering about anything irrelevant. People ask me sometimes why I'm quiet, simple, I don't have anything to say.

[l.e.b]

im like that
the only thing worth saying when theres nothing to say is a joke

[Dizon]

im like that
the only thing worth saying when theres nothing to say is a joke

yeah haha

[Prometheus|ANJ]

I stuttered a bit as a kid, but it's mostly gone now. It comes back if I think hard when formulating myself, or when I try to push words out cuz I'm eager. The trick to get around it is to be casual and relaxed, but that's easier said than done.

[Blue]

Stuttering has more to do with confidence and nervousness then anything. If you are relaxed and well composed, you won't stutter.

Some people can be intimidating for various reasons, that might be the Xfactor you are encountering.

[l.e.b]

i dont stutter but sometimes i find myself answering questions like yea yea yea yea yea ok ok ok ok
nah nah nah nah
i think its because i cant speak properly

[Poohgee]

Do we artists stutter in general ?
As we are all different - some of us will be confident extrovert & some will be quiet introvert .

WARNING : Poohgee is posting & its a bit bit of a rant ... itll be long .

So I guess the question then is - just my idea - does creativity result in stuttering or being more prone to somebody else's behaviour or so .. well what you said above .

Maybe this is actually a good question to put a poll up for - although it would have to have lots of options .

NoSeRider : "I got Obsessive Compulsive Disorder just like the rest of you..."
-> interesting idea - but problem is that it is all very blurry - where does a bad mood start & depression begin - where does love for what one does end & OCD start ?

I was very much convinced for a while that I was autistic & then it was ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder used to be known as ADD as far as I know) -
then depression .

I filled out a questionaire from the net about ADHD & got lots of points indicating - yes you "suffer" from ADHD - I could do something similiar propably with an Autism questionaire - & depression as well as well .

I went to see two proper psychologists a while ago bout ADHD & one of them said to me - the problem with these online things is that they are like a lawn-mover - they cut a lot of - something might seem like ADHD or depression or whateva - when it might just be something similiar or something really simple which some questionaire just excludes from the start - & maybe its a vitamin shortage - my mum's idea - instead of immediatelly saying - ohh noo - Im mentally disabled I need drugs .
The other doc asked me if "my" ADHD actually made my life really hard - answer :
ehh .. no .. im not suicidal .. I interact with people .. I have friends - sounds like a normal person .. so guess no "suffering" from ADHD .. ha

Something else .. human psychology is still it seems in its infancy .
Hey they do electroschock therapy to "treat" depression - it seems like :
"see what happens if we do this" .
It might have some effect but noone yet understands the why behind a lot of things ... .

These anouncments that are sometimes made .. that for example its now proven that alcohol reduces fears or so .. ( I think this was actually an official anounment not so long ago) - that is the current status of our knowledge of ourselves ?
Scarry how little we know & how much drugs we all consume based on guesses & observations (nothing proven) by some person out there.

The way I interact with people is of course with every person a bit different but I never try to be anything but me .. sometimes less sometimes more .. I just see it this way :
If someone has a problem with the person I am then it is their problem not mine.

How one behaves towards someone also I guess depends on if you know the person - like the person - are attracted to the person - the sex he or she is (hormones!!!:)) - what they are wearing - their body-language ... one's own mood etc. ....

l.e.b. said something bout behaving according to a certain situation like a job-interview - I agree there but I still try to (& cant -rotten lie-er) be myself .. because what you NoSeRider seem to suggest is to behave very dependant on the person you are talking to it seems to me.

patdzon :"I have a problem speaking in public."
->Barney's advice : Imagine them all naked :)

I think maybe try to be a more noisier person in general .. so to get used to speaking loudly in public & getting used to being looked at by many people.

I used to be incredibly shy & by talking to really lovely people & getting used to talking I managed to be a lot less shy - wouldnt think so from the amount I write & the amount I can talk if Im in the mood to :)

patdzon : " I don't see any point blabbering about anything irrelevant."

-> I know what you mean - people talk a lot of rubbish - talking just for a social reason because it would be awkwud if noone said anything.
I dont do that either - but its possible to have intelligent conversations with people & let people feel/hear that if they need a friend/someone to talk to - that they can allways come to you ... & thats the way I do it .
Having wonderful lovely friends is just to nice to be quiet one's whole life - doesnt mean we all have to be people who never shut up (like my writing) .. but to be able to communicate one feelings & enthusiasm & ideas to someone one cares for ... terrible sentences Im putting together - sorry - if someone is reading this.

I sometimes make a bit of a mess of sentences when I try to get to many things out - & my pronounciation suffers - or I mumble too much .

Just IMO :)

[BlackGuy]

I don't think I'd call myself introvertive at all. My problem is that I talk too fast. I think it's that thing where you have too much to say and it all kinda tries to come out at the same time (which used to cause stuttering). I don't really know how to stop it, but when I hear myself talk it's annoying as hell, I wanna tell myself to slow down. That and I sound INCREDIBLY white. Everytime I meet clients and bring them to my boss' office, they accuse me of not being the assistant they spoke to on the phone.

[Poohgee]

Gauge : "That and I sound INCREDIBLY white. Everytime I meet clients and bring them to my boss' office, they accuse me of not being the assistant they spoke to on the phone."

-> That must be really enoying really quickly .

[Advocate of Fate]

i think faster than i can talk, so i have to stop alot during a simple sentance and mentally retrace what i was about to say. A few stutters here and there, but nothing too hindering. My main problem is that I slur everything i say, i mumble far too much. I blame the fairfield county accent; we dont pronounce hard consonants.
im damn introverted too.

thus is the plight of the artist..

[sour]

i stutter really bad all the time. words come out funny or i will reverse things, like bubble gum will come out gubble bum. sometimes my words will start out right or not at all but in the end it's always complete nonsense. i don't know why i do this.
the way to tell if i am also nervous is if i am chattering like i'm cold. my jaw shakes like motherfucker and just makes me seem weird.
i should mention i dont consider myself an artist, i draw but not that great yet, i just do this all the time no matter what.

[Poohgee]

I start yawning when I am doing something that I am not looking forward too or something I am not enjoying (only non-frightening things like learning French :))

[sour]

i laugh when bad things happen. it's an uncontrollable nervous reaction and i end up pissing people off.

[Slash]

Some years ago i realized something that took my communication skills to a new level. The person im talking to is just another person. That person probably shares every insecurity i might have. The person im talking to is in no way superior to me, and i dont have to act a certain way to try to impress or intimidate that person. Keeping this in mind, i can feel comfortable with whoever i talk to. The same thing applies to groups, since groups are no more than lots of individuals.

[scumgrinder]

i'm not an artist

[darth massacre]

No I don't believe artists in general stutter or have difficulty communicating.

Some artists need more time to collect their thoughts before reacting. Get the ideas ironed out in a logical progression before presenting them. But I'm sure most of those who've had an art education had been thru brutal brutal face to face critique sessions. Its one thing having to recollect your thoughts and post a defense on the forum, its quite another to think and respond on the stage standing in front of your artwork.

I think everyone has a fear of speaking publicly. Stems from self doubt or insecurities? I dunno. When I was maybe 9 or 10 I was picked to join the school choir. Even in a big group its not easy singing on stage with an audience. By 11 I was in a school drama club until I was 12. From 13 I was always (for no good reason at all) picked for inter-class debates....all thru high school I had to go on stage at some point to speak. In an art college, I had to defend my artwork against professors and guest art critics from the industry (good practice). In the army I was an instructor and going by record I've taught at least 10000 trainees in the 2 years as an instructor. While I was in an animation firm, I was often "volunteered" by the AD and other supervisors to present artwork for the company to visitors.

You think by now I'd have overcome the fear of speaking up on the stage?

Nope.

I still get pumped up everytime I had to speak in front of everyone. But pumped up in a good way....it forces me to recollect my thoughts and plan what I want to say....and play and replay the possible questions that may be thrown at me and helps me get into the mood of responding at the snap of a finger. And nose....you've asked before what's the difference between going to college or school or just working on your own to improve yourself as an artist....I'd say the difference is in the very question you're asking. Only in a specialized art institute will you face group crits that forces you to think fast, critically, organize your arguments and counter arguments in a fraction of a second. Besides all the writing and communication skills....school also offers a chance for us to be in a position where we speak up and people listen.



Every individual has their own way of dealing with the nervous energy that comes when speaking to crowds or in public. Every individual is different in character. Just like not all artists are extroverts or party types. You'll find your own way, but don't be afraid to try.

[Steinmetz]

Well I have no problem with sssss th ss th-tuttering

[jetpack42]

no :dur:

[Shamagim]

Noserider Please....please!!! read a book about it, books are not just to make a library look good.
Dont want to go to a library?...then goggle for basic psicological studys

That if you really want to get answers to your questions.

[Poohgee]

Shamagim : "books are not just to make a library look good."
-> what ? You mean books have a reason for excisting beyond decoration -
I haven't heard that reason in quite a few years - Hello reason :)

But yeah ... in a way I agree ... the stuff printed on the paper inside of books might be useful .. but remembering my rant - they might as well be the opposite possibly .

NoSeRider if it is something that really creates problems for you then talk to a friend or psychologist or similiar bout it - because this is just a forum - its highly uninteractive - for real help Id recommend (I'm guessing again) communicating your fears & emotions & all the stuff that is bothering you to a pro or just simply a friend.

If I come over as arrogant in this post - my apologies .

[NoSeRider]

At least I talk about something.

Most people talk about how paint drys and other superficial stuff.....usually people have too much pride or shame to talk about anything real.....or dignity?

I don't think it's a problem, because I know I can change it.

However, even I'm getting sick of my Dr. Phil posts.

[Ian Mack]

Some years ago i realized something that took my communication skills to a new level. The person im talking to is just another person. That person probably shares every insecurity i might have. The person im talking to is in no way superior to me, and i dont have to act a certain way to try to impress or intimidate that person. Keeping this in mind, i can feel comfortable with whoever i talk to. The same thing applies to groups, since groups are no more than lots of individuals.

I think the same thing happened to me. I was always nervous talking to people. Going to college helped. Moving away from home, friends, family helped ALOT more. If you are nervous, don't have self-confidence...remember that you are just as freaking awesome as the next guy. Until you die and God tallies up the xp points you earned in your life.

I'm still very shy in that I *generally* won't go up to someone and strike up a convo but I'm more than comfortable with chatting with anyone who talks to me. re: the behavioural thing...my behaviour doesn't change because I make it a point to be authentic. I say what I believe, and feel.

Also...remember that you're going to have to learn how to sell yourself and that will hinge on your ability to communicate with other people which is almost always going to be verbal.

[Koen]

I have kind of the same problem, communication is hard. I see allot of people that talk smooth and can make them self look bigger with their mouth.

[K-17]

I don't talk much around people i don't know, so at first, most people say i'm the silent type. If they get to know me, they say i'm a blabbermouth idiot. Also, i talk too fast, and my voice is kinda low, which makes it pretty hard for me to cut into a conversation (or sometimes even start one). I found a way to get around that, though. Every time i see calling the person's name doesn't do the trick, i just shout "hey asshole!" and it's instant attention.

[xenos]

i had like zero social skills, but im slowly getting better.. one of my biggest problems still is that i forget words. i might forget a word when speaking in finnish, but i would remember what it was in english. or it might be the other way around. this was especially confusing when i was still in school and i also had to study sweden and german (and i mixed everything up :^^;: )
..my other problem is that sometimes i have the urge to say something, so of course i'll start to say something just to realize that i have nothing to say!! and it all comes out as animal souds............ yeah, im pathetic

[|NTeRN]

well i have social anxiety disorder (a few peeps on my moms side of my family have it) which makes me extremely nervous in new surroundings or new people. tho its never completely gone. i guess the best way to put it is that you know that feeling that someone is looking over your sholder when your reading or drawing? well imagine that feeling being constant, but insteade of one person looking over your sholder, every person in the vicinity taking notice of your every action and judging you on those actions.

im alright if im with people i know or somewhere im comfortable but its never truely gone.

but this has nothing to do with me being an artist, rather just the person i am

however i do have the awesome ability to tell the lamest stories ever. and im talking about the "this one time, i was at the mall, and i saw this cool shirt, and it was like blue, and it was cool" and i think pretty much anyone who goes to watts can vouche for that one. i think jetpack42 has witness my story telling greatness many times. ya its pretty awesome

[CaptainInsano]

Noserider Please....please!!! read a book about it, books are not just to make a library look good.
Dont want to go to a library?...then goggle for basic psicological studys

That if you really want to get answers to your questions.

Noserider is one of the best artists on this forum. Comparing your portfolio to his, I'd say you shouldn't disrespect Noserider.

Getting back to the subject, I'm absoutely awful when meeting new people. I'm even more awkward around hot chicks. I think I have some mild form of dyslexia, but I'm not sure. Often, I say words backwards, or say things like "coke diet," instead of "diet coke." I'ts not all the time, but enough that it's noticeable.

I usually just shut my mouth.

[nicolas]

Noserider is one of the best artists on this forum. Comparing your portfolio to his, I'd say you shouldn't disrespect Noserider.

What the hell does that have to do with the reply Shamagim made. Since when does ones work allow someone to make a comment or not?


and for the question;

I'm a real quiet guy.

[Marko Djurdjevic]

and for the question;

I'm a real quiet guy.



I challenge you to a round of shutting up and being quiet, my friend. And the rest of you too!

M

-king of stuttering

[nicolas]

I challenge you to a round of shutting up and being quiet, my friend.

wtf? did I say something wrong?!

[Marko Djurdjevic]

Haha, no dude, you read to much into it :D

Love
M

[nicolas]

geez man, don't scare me like that sounding all serious. you know me Im faint of heart.... :\

right back at ya. =)