Tarem's Conceptions! 2

[Tarem]

For all of you.

I was studying biology for school, when I came upon a Elightment.
What is Biology going to do for me, unless I’m a biologist?
Then I thought. What is the sense of knowing the earth orbits the sun. I mean, it’s entirely unneeded knowledge. How does knowing that the earth orbits the sun really help our lives? How does knowing that there are two different types of cells really help in our life?

You say you might have answers. You say I am a idiot.

We use all those things in Atomic bombs, cars, planes, computers, and other things. These things are completely useless. You might say that is wrong, but no, anything that you can live without is completely useless. We teach evolution in school, yet what does that give us. What does studying history give us? Huh, Huh!
Answers.

Studying history tells us the mistakes we made in the past, and what to do to not make them.

Human beings cannot live without the knowledge of what made us. It is something that bothers everyone; we have to have something to tell us how we got here. There is no true answer, since what we know is so different, no answer that has all the facts.

I will say, Evolution has few facts for it, most of them are lies and stuff. Christianity has few facts for it too, the Elightment of Christianity comes to the person only. But what you must weigh is what has the less marks against it?

So what I am saying, is that we are wasting valuable time and money in a school system that teaches our children entirely useless information, instead of stuff they will always us.

Also, since I am a fiction writer, why is it that we have fiction?
The answer is that it gives us a break from the hard world we live in, and is good for the imagination.

Life is hard, then you die, what’s the point?

Lewis Macaby.


I resent that the last poll was vague, I am making a new one that is better. :dead:

[MoP]

I will say, Evolution has few facts for it, most of them are lies and stuff.
That's some lol right there, folks! :D

[l.e.b]

Thats interesting
the Earth goes round the sun
there is a cycle in organisms when they reproduce and die
Then learning history, history always repeats itself
So its all a circle
In school they teach biology and evolution, you say this is pointless. They also teach you christianity which is gonna be complete contradiction to biolgogy and history
You should ask why schools decide to bring these two things together.

Education is ALWAYS biased, to the country and religion.
It does NOT teach mistakes and how not to make them, only what resulted from past situations, like i said history always repeats itself.
If you are weighing evolution against christianity you shouldnt really be believing in either of them, because you never had faith in them.

[Tully]

We use all those things in Atomic bombs, cars, planes, computers, and other things. These things are completely useless. You might say that is wrong, but no, anything that you can live without is completely useless.

I submit that I wouldn't keel over and die without toilet paper, but I think it's still pretty damn useful.

You're a kid. School's about learning to think critically, not "there are two different types of cells" (and oh, could I go on about how ridiculous that statement is). Obviously, you still need to be there.

[l.e.b]

Yea next time your teacher makes a sweeping statement
or something that you don't understand/agree with make it known
Tell em how it is
If teaching is a waste of money make them educate you properly otherwise theyre paid to show up and leave

[Tarem]

I'm homeschooled, I manely teech myself. When I said thier are two different types of cells, I ment the cell without the little thingies, and the cell with them. Since it's completly useless to me, I forgot. HA HA.

:zzz:

Anyway. Here's a blog I just started, has the same stuff,and more.

http://lewismaniac.blogspot.com/

[MoP]

So, I guess you think we should all be living in caves, bashing animals with big rocks and sticks, and generally not advancing as a society at all.

Just because you don't understand things doesn't mean they're not necessary.

What is biology going to do for me, unless I'm a biologist?
Well, er... how about, next time you get ill, or break your arm, or get poisoned or stung by a plant or animal, you ask the doctor who fixes you up what use biology is.

Don't you find it a little ironic that you're posting about how useless you find such things as computers, on an internet forum? I guess you don't own any consoles or play games, either. They're useless too, right? Not vital to life... I guess all you do all day is hunt for food, eat it, and sleep. Everything else doesn't matter. You don't need to know anything, so why bother learning? Dumb.

Your ignorance astounds me. Then again, I guess that's to be expected if you're just 15. If your opinions don't change drastically over the next 5 years, I'd fear for your sanity.

Keep up the home-schooling. Looks like it's working :rolleyes:

[bat]

I'm homeschooled, I manely teech myself. When I said thier are two different types of cells, I ment the cell without the little thingies, and the cell with them. Since it's completly useless to me, I forgot. HA HA.




Ask mom for an English book while you are at it. Then give grammar and spelling a try, you will be amazed at how seriously you are taken.



bat

[A. C. Krywell]

Eh, I'm still trying to gather my thoughts here. I was going to post a bunch of stuff, and then realized that I was just re-saying what Tarem had said. But I might have been more...tactful. I mean what good is there in slapping people in the face with petualnt declamtions? I'm sorry, I had too much fun saying that...

l.e.b. is right, Tarem. You seem to have no faith. What do you believe in?

I'll be back... 8)

[Sady]

You have to be quite old before you ramble about existence and it´s meaning. :P

[obid619]

evolution is overrated

[Tarem]

Evolution is totally overated. Totally. I also wish to extell the fact, we don't need that stuff, if life was a lot simpler than we would have less crime, death, and people would except each other. I believe in Willism, something a mix between anarchy and totalarism. Also, I am good at english, just not typing.

[MoP]

Poetry... we don't need that stuff. Writing... we don't need that stuff. The internet... we don't need that stuff.

The senseless jabberings of an overly opinionated 15-year-old... we don't need that stuff, either. :dead:

[Lady Medusa]

I will say, Evolution has few facts for it, most of them are lies and stuff.
D:! :dies:
How can you belive that?!
The bible is symbolic. Like every other literature written quite some time ago, why does most religious people take it so bloody literally?!

Personally history has done much for me, biology to... things make more sense, if you get me, and some thing is just easier to draw when it makes sense, obviously.

I also suggest you to use ths (http://www.spellcheck.net/) site on your posts, It'll teach you a little more English.

[K-17]

I think the thing is, school systems these days generalize way too much. Sure it's useful to learn biology, if you're aiming to become a biologist. If you're not, it doesn't hurt either, but then again, you're paying to learn this stuff. Even in art school, this past year, i had to put up with this general course for all 1st year, which aside for painting and drawing classes, pretty much everything i had, which cost a fortune and bunch hours sleep, was practically useless. Sure, it's not gonna hurt to know it, and it somehow might be useful to me in the future, but i'm not putting all this time and money into what doesn't hurt or might be useful. I should be paying and working for what i actually need to know. I know it's difficult and expensive to craft a system good enough to accomplish this, but i figure if goverments are willing to spend billions sending probes to some far away space rock or creating weapons that will wipe out four cities intead of three, they might as well spend some time and money into actually helping people out.
I know it's stupid fantasy, but still...

[l.e.b]

i figure if goverments are willing to spend billions sending probes to some far away space rock or creating weapons that will wipe out four cities intead of three, they might as well spend some time and money into actually helping people out.
yea i hear US spends 350 billion anually on defence
that could pretty much help out every third world country in the world BUT YO education comes first

[Tully]

I'm not sure where you live, K-17, but around here you don't have to pay directly to complete a basic high school education. You're going to be paying taxes for it whether you go or not, so I figure people might as well bite the bullet and do it.

In school they don't test you on To Kill a Mockingbird because it's absolutely imperative to your wellbeing and ability to lead a productive life that you know whether Boo Radley was acquited or convicted. They do it so that you learn to read, retain what you've read, and have the ability to think about it! This is an ability that will come in *very* handy in your life. The same goes for any other class!

Evolution ought to be taught in all schools because it is a valid scientific theory and it's important to understand what it's actually about. Whether you believe it's "true" or not is entirely up to you, but how can you be expected to make an informed decision about it if you have no idea what it really is? Where else are you supposed to learn if you're not taught in school? Considering the level of ignorance about evolution that I've personally seen, people aren't much inclined to research it on their own accord.

No, you don't need to know all there is to know about cell biology in order to lead a happy and productive life, but when things like stem cell research have such political sway in some areas of the world now, isn't it good to have a public that's informed about such matters?

With this sort of knowledge comes a more complex life, it's true, but with this application of the knowledge hasn't life expectancy in the western world been pushed ever higher? Haven't we established a place where the majority of people are free to pursue their own goals and ambitions and not been hampered by need to grow/raise their own food, build their own houses and chop wood to heat them? All these things have caused other problems, but that's the way life is. They're there now, and wishing them away won't make them disappear. Ignorance solves nothing.

[Tarem]

Evolution ought to be taught in all schools because it is a valid scientific theory and it's important to understand what it's actually about. Whether you believe it's "true" or not is entirely up to you, but how can you be expected to make an informed decision about it if you have no idea what it really is? Where else are you supposed to learn if you're not taught in school? Considering the level of ignorance about evolution that I've personally seen, people aren't much inclined to research it on their own accord.

Wht you say is true, But then, why don't they teech any other theory in school systems. If you believe what you say, shouldent they teach intelligence design in school just as much as evolution.

Tarem. :confident

[Tully]

I think intelligent design would be more at home in a comparative religion/ideology class than in a science one. ID isn't science because it's all speculation and no experimentation. It's an interesting notion that evidence of a deity could be evident in nature, but until they figure out how to experiment on it, it's not in the same realm as science.

I don't have any issue with any notion of creation being taught in school, so long as it is without bias. Understanding the world's religions is an important part of understanding humanity. Islamic, judeo-christian, hindu, buddhist, etc. creation stories should be taught alongside one another and all given equal time and consideration. None should be presented as absolute truth. That's what churches are for.

[Tarem]

THe most famous quistions of all time.

we have to know why we are here, how did we get here, and where do we go when we die?


We don't want to believe in jesus becouse his truthfull law says we should not do what our flesh wishes, becouse in our heart we know it is bad, and that is why we want to.

General tildor.

[0kelvin]

Sigh... Are we really going to get into this again?

Before anyone starts the old Creationism/Intelligent Design vs. Evolution debate, make sure you familiarize yourself with the two most recent threads on the issue so you're not just repeating what's already been said. Better yet, move the argument to one of those threads.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48849
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33392&page=1&pp=60

Here's a quick synopsis: 972 posts and not a shred of valid evidence has been brought up that either supports Intelligent Design or refutes Evolution.

Good luck.



0kelvin

[Tully]

I was trying to talk about the value of education! 0kelvin's right. Evolution's been done to death lately. Let's at least wait another few months before we say it all again.

[Chingwa]

Most school systems do teach Classical Mythology in depth, so I don't see why they don't spend just as much time on Christian mythology (hate to break it to everyone, but that's what it is..), Muslim mythology, Buddhist mythology, Hindu mythology, Norse mythology, Shinto mythology etc.

As far as Biology or any other subject is concerned... why WOULDN'T you want to learn about these things? Sure you may be able to make a living without this knowledge, but why wouldn't you want to cultivate your own mind? That is the most priceless investment anyone can make.

[light]

I didnt read all this stuff, but tarem, thats stupid. Ignorance is bliss and I hope you enjoy it. Some of us like to know whats going on around us.

[Tarem]

If you call christain a mythology, then I will call Evolution a un-proved theory. There is no proof that supports it. Now thats that said, lets talk about how schools are damaging the youths, will post a editoral tommorow.

Hmm.

[A. C. Krywell]

I am sorry, but Christianity is no myth...

The Bible is not a "story book," as some people believe. It contains REAL history. In fact most of it should not bother people. The people in it are real. The question is did God do the things found in the Bible, or was it just freak chance.

Jesus was a real person. But was He a liar, a lunatic, or who He said He was (the one and only Son of God)? That is the question that people most answer concerning him...

I will say that I agree with LightKirtar. Tarem, please research the subjects that you want to talk about before you go yaking on and on about what you don't know about.

Eh, give it a rest. Go post in your sketchbooks, people. Someone please close this thread...

I hope that my comments did not overtly offend anyone. If they did, then I didn't mean to upset you, I was just saying what I thought...

[Chingwa]

The Bible is not a "story book," as some people believe. It contains REAL history.

Uh well, I don't want to be argumentative, but I would not equate reading the bible to an actual history lesson. It contains some historic fact that is for sure, but only some. The remainder has been exaggerated, distorted, ammended, rephrased, corrupted and simply made up over the years.

I'm not saying christianity as a religion is myth, I'm saying the beleifs of Christianity and most if not all major religions are based on myth.

I will call Evolution a un-proved theory. There is no proof that supports it
Prove it.

[Tarem]

Hmm

The first book of the bible is the only part anyone could have a problem with. It explains how the world was made by God and so-one and so-one. If you have a problem with the rest of the bible, you are being biased, intolerant, and idiotic. The bible is not a mythology, lets see.

All mythology has more than one god. Bible, one God.
All mythology has hero’s spread through ought the entire thing. Bible, not really.
All mythology has gods that likes war and heroes, Bible, God supports peace.

There are a gazillion more little comparisons I could do.
The bible is not a mythology. The bible is history.

Also, I not going to waist precious breath explaining something you already know. I’m not going to try to UN-prove evolution. Do some research, it is un-proven. I’m not saying proved wrong, un-proven.

I don’t want this thread to be another evolution verses bible; I want people to get that out of their heads. I want it to be more political, and more economical. Now that’s all that’s said:

The schools of today’s world are messed up; you have biased teachers teaching kids those biases. You grew up with some of those biases, so you can’t see them, but any adults should be able to see the new ones. Witchcraft is thought in schools, almost all Goths meddle in it a little, whether they know it or not. Other things. They give out condoms on purpose so they will do it. Everything goes in perfect little circles. Some may even teach how to use drugs or be gay. The school is also doing something vital to the well-being of America, or so they say.

They’re brainwashing them. Each day from the day they start school they teach them to do whatever they are told. The parents do the same. You might not see it, but it is true. There is no real thinking, no freedom in America. They claim there is, but there is none. They’ve all been brainwashed, including you. About schools in Europe, I don’t know, but from Europe politics, I bet it’s the same.
They train the child to do whatever they are told, no questions asked. This is vital to the well-being of America, without it, America would be a different place. They follow the thousands of laws that the study politicians make up, with no questions, and no real reason why. You follow because of consequences that are all. If George Washington or Abe Lincoln could see the world today, and the American government, they would cry.

(I bet they’re crying in heaven!”)

The world is wrong, I believe American government will fall in 100 years, we will just wake up and find out it’s not working.

Though that may not happen in the 100 years, it will happen eventually. What kind of government will we have, what kind of live amid anarchy and total war?


Tarem,
intolerant christain. >:|

[light]

You cant blame schools for the overwhelming "corruption" of children in this generation. These problems only occur in households and are influenced by media and their peers/parental figures. Children *need* responsbilities or they will take it upon themselves to create some. Sex, drugs, ridicolous lifestyle, this stuff happens in all schools now. Especialy the whole goth and drugs thing happens in rich schools where the children have enough money to buy this shit and their parents are usually really bad ones who dont know the first thing about parenting. Dont blame the schools for a problem society has caused. No single "enemy" can be isolated and ripped on, alot of stuff is screwing up kids.
Some may even teach how to use drugs or be gay. The school is also doing something vital to the well-being of America, or so they say.

Uhhhh, im going to highschool and I havent had any gay draft with free drugs on entry.
On another note, what is so bad about gay kids? Theyre icky? Argh so much idiocy to reply to before heading out.

[Red_Rook]

your just full of fallacies today arent you, why dont you acctually think about your arguments and construct them to make sense before you acctually post them?

1. Christianity can technically be described as a myth or a mythology whether you like it or not.

myth
n.
A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society.

A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal.

Isnt christianity exactly that, whether you believe it as true or not is irrelevant.

"All mythology has more than one god. Bible, one God."

a myth doesnt require a god to be in it, let alone multiple ones.

"All mythology has hero’s spread through ought the entire thing. Bible, not really."

It does? all of it? really?
and jesus, abraham, isaac, moses, david....
arent they heroes?

"All mythology has gods that likes war and heroes, Bible, God supports peace."

19:21 "And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."

and since when is all mythology religious? HWat about all the atrocities comited in the name of god? crusades ring a bell?

And yes there IS evidence supporting evolution, and there is NO evidence against it.


Its not that i even have a devout belief in any of the things ive just said above, but for fucks sake, THINK before you open your mouth and spew all this shit into the forum. learn how to construct a proper argument, its not that difficult.

[Lady Medusa]

Mythology doesn't mean it's totally fake either.

What is your view on dinosaurs or "Lucy"?

Witchcraft is thought in schools, almost all Goths meddle in it a little, whether they know it or not. Other things. They give out condoms on purpose so they will do it. Everything goes in perfect little circles. Some may even teach how to use drugs or be gay.
Witchcraft? Give an example on this please
They give out condoms for free so that they will learn to use them, instead of not using them... Here people usually lose theire virginity when they are 13-14 and they don't give out condoms until were 15-16.
If teatchers teatch student's how to use drugs, then there is something seriously wrong in your society.


I think I see why you are home-shooled(sp?)...

[A. C. Krywell]

No, the Bible is not a history lesson. (I once heard someone say that the Bible was not a science text book, and that's good cause textbooks change every year! Sorry, just trying to lighten things up... :dur: )

But Christians believe that the Bible is the ultimate authority on whatever it speaks on (yes, that is a risky belief, but is it worse then trusting in frail MAN as the ultimate authority?).

This is a reasonable belief. The Bible is correct in many places where it should not be (as a very old document, that is). Take for example the book of Numbers. Numbers 19 speaks of how the priests were to cleanse themselves after touching a dead body. Their methods were EXTREMLY effective. How did they know what to do? The Christians have a case for Divine influence here...

Again, I'm not trying to make people mad. I'm just saying what I see (and I hope no one is upset with me...)

Chingwa, sorry if I misunderstood you... :S

Now, someone, PLEASE close this GOOFY thread. Post more art, people! :yayca:

A. C. Krywell

[L. Scott Knight]

That wasn't enlightenment. It was a flash of blinding deception designed to encourage ignorance.

We are here to discover and experience the world around us. Everything we are is geared to that end. It is the one thing we cannot stop doing even if you really try. When you sleep, you're still doing it. It is a fact that our minds retain positive over negative better. This is our basic design. Whether designed by God, or by evolution, or by God through evolution, or whatever this is our state of being.

[jim]

Hmm. Tarem, you need to a little more reasearch. I was here looking at art, and saw this thread. I feel I need to share my story,

I am 35 years of age, and now a three year christain.

I lost my virginity at age 15, in minnisota, and will regret it the rest of my life. I had a daughter in collage, with a girlfriend, we named her Victorai. Right now, she in 17 years old. I almost sleep with someone every single night, a different person. I was prochoice, and very liberal. I was very baised, and felt that giving out condoms was okay, gay was okay, anything was okay.

My daughter's nickname became virg, at age 14, short for virgin. I never knew. She lived with me, and one day I came home to find her dead in the bathroom, her throats slit.

I read her diary, left out open for me. She had had sex twice, both protected with condomes, and she was pregnat, and had HIV. She wrote of other stuff, worse stuff, stuff about doing drugs and witchcraft. She was not goth, I don't know why. I went on a journey to find out what is right.

That was 4 years ago, she was 15 at the time.

I mean, I had thought that if kids where going to do it anyway, why don't they do it safe. Ya, sounds obvious and good, but it's not. I mean, kids are going to do drugs anyway, why don't we just teech them how to do drugs safe and in good quanities, i mean, it's the same prinicple.

I am a history buff, And I looked back to see how this happened, how my child and other children became sexaully active at young ages.


The music, the tv, the movies, the porn, all of that stuff. The stuff you see on the streets, the stuff you see on Tv and the movies. It all leads up. WHat I did was wrong. I regret it. I'm not very confincing, but I am crying right now. Kids, don't have sex early, wait till your married. Don't do drugs or any of that sick stuff.

Jim Travos.

[l.e.b]

The music, the tv, the movies, the porn, all of that stuff. The stuff you see on the streets, the stuff you see on Tv and the movies. It all leads up. WHat I did was wrong. I regret it. I'm not very confincing, but I am crying right now. Kids, don't have sex early, wait till your married. Don't do drugs or any of that sick stuff.

Yea dont do drugs or anything,

I mean, kids are going to do drugs anyway, why don't we just teech them how to do drugs safe and in good quanities, i mean, it's the same prinicple.

i agree

If that story is true though its very sad

[Hamsta]

I think you all forgot what's really important - what are these 2 cell types he's talking about? :D

single cell organisms? blood cells? white blood cells? cellphones?

lol, "I ment the cell without the little thingies, and the cell with them" :teeth:

[Red_Rook]

hamsta, educate yourself


http://www.trentu.ca/academic/biology/101/2.html

[A. C. Krywell]

I believe that he is talking about prokaryotic cells and eukaryotic cells. The eukaryotic ones have organelles bound by membranes (the "little thingies," I suppose...).

How do I know all this? I'M JUST SO DARN SMART!!! YEEHAW!!!

Ahem...

Jim, if it is of any comfort, know that I hear you, and understand. I take what you're saying to heart. My prayers are with you (and I mean it!).

A. C. Krywell

[Tarem]

I feel sorry for you Jim.

I have heard that principle before.

About the drugs I mean, hey, there just going to do drugs anyway, just like there are going to be gangs and going to be prostitution.

For every action, a consequence.
What the true meaning of life is.

Tarem.

[Tarem]

Also, your right about the cells, I just forgot becouse I don't need to remeber.

(What got me thinking about this was reading Sherlock holmes, holmes only remebers things of conciquence, and forgets stuff like the sun orbits the moon.)

Tarem.

[Red_Rook]

like the sun orbits the moon


it does?! >______>

man someone has been fooling me all along! i knew it!

[MoP]

the sun orbits the moon

Case closed! :D

[A. C. Krywell]

But Tarem, Sherlock Holmes knew things of consequence. Are you trying to act like him? You're doing a bad job. You're just being ignorant...

[Hamsta]

hamsta, educate yourself


http://www.trentu.ca/academic/biology/101/2.html
Looks like something I forgot, lol, I'll rewire my brain to remember this in the future, thank you.

you too A. C. Krywell

As you are inconsequential Tarem I will forget you :P

[Tarem]

I was wondering if people would get that?

Funny.

Hmm.


I am NOT acting like Sherlock holmes, just listing to his wisdom.

Or his author.

Tarem.

[bat]

Anyone of faith (in any religious outlook) should by now realize that science is a new religion, and like any religion, it contains truth and fallacy. We are constantly learning now that many early scientific theories are wrong and really have no basis in fact. While science does explain much of our world to some degree, it does not really prove everything and the fact is that nobody still knows how we came about, nobody can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether there was a Big Bang, an act of God (s), or an alien accident. One of the fun parts of life is speculating, but nobody should infringe on another's beliefs or treat them as ignorant for believing the way that they do. Everyone thinks they are right, but nobody knows that they are right. That is faith.

Personally, I don't believe in evolution, but I do believe that life can adapt to circumstances. As I have said numerous times over the years, if life were strictly survival of the fittest, why aren't animals smarter? It might take millions of years to evolve with no major stimuli, but you would think that the advancement of humanity would spur other creatures to evolve to try to dominate the planet. A gorilla using a stick to check water depth (which has been in the news recently) is hardly convincing or particularly helpful against humans with machetes and machine guns. Humans, by our own clumsy nature and greed are systematically killing off other species and each other at a fairly good pace. Dogs and chimpanzees haven't gotten any smarter to defend themselves or the planet.

[A. C. Krywell]

You ARE acting like Holmes, or TRYING to, anyway. :grandpa:

Now give it a rest, please.

Go post in your sketchbook. I mean, not that I have anything against things like this, but this is an ART website. You've barely posted on your sketchbook!

And you're REALLY starting to make a fool of the God that you claim to serve. Post in your sketchbook, and I'll try to drop by...

Later...

[A. C. Krywell]

I was reading back through this thread when I found this...

"THe most famous quistions of all time.

we have to know why we are here, how did we get here, and where do we go when we die?"

You know, that is not a question...

If you wanted it to be a question, you should have said, "Why are we here, how did we get here, and where do we go when we die?"

And correct your spelling, it's REALLY bad... :nohope:

[darth massacre]

Going back to the original question. Why go to school? Why learn biology? Why math? Why science? Why this? Why that?


Hands up how many of you know EXACTLY what you want to be by 12?

Now hands up how many of you figured out what you want to be by 18 after going thru all that arse crap exams and so on.

Education is about options. Its knowledge that supports your interest and grows into a passion....then an enlightenment which path you want to undertake for the rest of your life. Sure a 12 year old may tell you, he likes cars or she likes clothes....but whether or not they evolve into a car designer, racecar driver, mechanic, fashion designer, fashion purchaser and so on comes with the added knowledge from the education we go to school for.

If anything, school is pretty good for making friends and getting laid. So I'm all for getting an education.



Interesting note. Being an artist or even a writer for fiction...its even MORE IMPORTANT to know how the world runs. How would you write a believeable fiction if you know rats ass about biology or biotechnology- if you were writing a biotech/biochem weapons thriller?? How would you create believeable artwork without understanding mechanics and anatomy (which is basically a biological machine). We could say folks like Tolkien created entire worlds with his LOTR epic...but Tolkien took his ideas from many ancient mythology, paganism and other religion, politics, historical contexts and so on. That's why even in fantasy, it is believeable.

Personal note, I was a concept artist for a few years before going back to school again to learn more. And thruout those years, I was using high school geometry to calculate angles and tangents for some of the spec sheet for props and sets that were constructed physically. I hated math, especially geometry, but it came to its own purpose.

Entirely useless information indeed. I'm not trying to diss you, but you're 15....give yourself some years before saying its useless....because I too thought it was useless at 15 and I was wrong.

[Tarem]

people at this site are so dumb.

I feal so sorry for you, people getting laid outside of marrage is dumb and idiotic, also the fact that it's bad for you.

[darth massacre]

Stay on the discussion, what I do in my life is my own problem and what you think of what other people do is similarly, your own problem....if you can't bring anything more to the discussion table then back off until you have something constructive to post.


Edit: If people here are too dumb for you, maybe you can go find some other forums where they'll agree with you.

[Tarem]

Hey Q-caddlewick, Like my joky thread. They think its not a farce, but it is, I laugh at their stupidity, and make mine look bigger so theirs will get bigger.!

[MoP]

Will someone lock this dumb shit down already?

[Ilaekae]

"Evolution is totally overated."

I've been looking at this line for a few days now...and really thinking about it.

Then I went back and read everything posted by the person who posted it. The same person who insulted my religion, my belief system, my schooling, and in some statements, my entire life's rationale.

Now I've come to a conclusion.

If people like Tarem are examples of the evolutionary process making Human Beings the most most intelligent species on earth, then evolution is totally overated.

[L. Scott Knight]

Tarem is just a silly kid who knows not what he does with his mouth. According to his profile he's only 15 and a working Freelance write. Ya right, with spelling like that too.

So he's likes to spout off, talk shit, disrespect his elders and he's a liar.

Kid, get a clue. Close your mouth (so to speak) and pay attention and listen. You've got a ton to learn and a long way to go since clearly you are starting from behind as you've been severely misled.

[Snowsfall]

So... this whole thread is really just a big joke right?
Because if it's not I guess I should feel a bit guilty for finding this pretty damn funny

[Tarem]

IT's supposed to be funny, Listining to people spurt lies.

HA HA HA. If liberals are examples of evoluton, then I can believe we are almost as dumb as monkeys.

HA HA HA>

[A. C. Krywell]

Oh, Tarem, there you go with the liberals again...

This was all a joke? So you go in to some place, run your mouth, make people mad, act like a fool, and then say it was joke?

What is your problem?

Who was the joke for? The people of this site? Or was it just for your own pleasure that you did this without a thought to anyone else?

I disagree with alot of the people on this site when it comes to certain issues, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to make fun of them.

Besides, was that a Christian thing to do? Or were you joking about that, too?

[Nimrod]

I.B.T.L.

(and seriously, please, lock this b.s.)

A.C., he might not be joking per se; American Christians have evolved into a very strange sect in the last few decades. Arguably one that is very far from the core philosophies of Christianity. See this article:

http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptTheChristianParadox.html

by Bill McKibben, a profesor who writes many essays for both religious and secular magazines and books. Just an excerpt, but the whole thing is quite good if you can get your hands on the issue of Harper's it appears in. Very enlightening.

[LaPalida]

We could say folks like Tolkien created entire worlds with his LOTR epic...but Tolkien took his ideas from many ancient mythology, paganism and other religion, politics, historical contexts and so on. That's why even in fantasy, it is believeable.


Tolkien created a whole new language for his Middle Earth World... pretty cool huh?

Beware Tarem, you need not click on the following links or you may actually learn something. The horror... The horror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Middle-earth


Both Tolkien's academic career and his literary production are inseparable from his love of language and philology.

He specialized in Greek philology in college, and in 1915 graduated with Old Icelandic as special subject. He worked for the Oxford English Dictionary from 1918. In 1920, he went to Leeds as Reader in English Language, where he claimed credit for raising the number of students of linguistics from five to twenty. He gave courses in Old English heroic verse, history of English, various Old English and Middle English texts, Old and Middle English philology, introductory Germanic philology, Gothic, Old Icelandic, and Medieval Welsh. When in 1925, aged 33, Tolkien applied for the Rawlinson and Bosworth Professorship of Anglo-Saxon, he boasted that his students of Germanic philology in Leeds had even formed a "Viking Club".

Privately, Tolkien was attracted to "things of racial and linguistic significance" and he entertained notions of an inherited taste of language, which he termed the "native tongue" as opposed to "cradle tongue" in his 1955 lecture English and Welsh, which is crucial to his understanding of race and language. He considered west-midland Middle English his own "native tongue", and, as he wrote to W. H. Auden in 1955 (Letters, 163), "I am a West-midlander by blood (and took to early west-midland Middle English as a known tongue as soon as I set eyes on it)".

Parallel to Tolkien's professional work as a philologist, and sometimes overshadowing this work, to the effect that his academic output remained rather thin, was his affection for the construction of artificial languages. The best-developed of these are Quenya and Sindarin, the etymological connection between which are at the core of much of Tolkien's legendarium. Language and grammar for Tolkien was a matter of aesthetics and euphony, and Quenya in particular was designed from 'phonaesthetic' considerations. It was intended as an 'Elvenlatin', and was phonologically based on Latin basis with ingredients from Finnish and Greek (Letters, 144). A notable addition came in late 1945 with Numenorean, a language of a "faintly Semitic flavour", connected with Tolkien's Atlantis myth, which by The Notion Club Papers ties directly into his ideas about inheritability of language, and via the "Second Age" and the Earendil myth was grounded in the legendarium, thereby providing a link of Tolkien's 20th century "real primary world" with the mythical past of his Middle-earth.

Tolkien considered languages inseparable from the mythology associated with them, and he consequently took a dim view of auxiliary languages. In 1930 A congress of Esperantists were told as much by him, in his lecture A Secret Vice, "Your language construction will breed a mythology", but by 1956 he concluded that "Volapük, Esperanto, Ido, Novial, &c &c are dead, far deader than ancient unused languages, because their authors never invented any Esperanto legends." (Letters, 180).

The popularity of Tolkien's books has had a small but lasting effect on the use of language in fantasy literature in particular, and even on mainstream dictionaries, which today commonly accept Tolkien's spellings dwarves and elvish (instead of dwarfs and elfish). Other terms he has coined, like legendarium and eucatastrophe are mainly used in connection with Tolkien's work.




Evolution is totally overated. Totally. I also wish to extell the fact, we don't need that stuff, if life was a lot simpler than we would have less crime, death, and people would except each other. I believe in Willism, something a mix between anarchy and totalarism. Also, I am good at english, just not typing.


Back in the Middle Ages Life WAS a whole lot simpler. Hmm I guess you are right.. we're FAR better off without antibiotics and human rights. Those nostalgic old days of Black Plague, the Spanish Inquisition, lack of sanitation and medicine, slavery and famine. Oh how I miss thee! Damn you science... damn you.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/brian-09.htm

***WARNING PARODY AHEAD***** <-you may start laughing ..... now

(I took the liberty <- also a stupid thing I know, of editing the following quote to make a parody <-disclaimer)


Tarem:
Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
XERXES:
The aqueduct?
Tarem:
What?
XERXES:
The aqueduct.
Tarem:
Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3:
And the sanitation.
LORETTA:
Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Tarem. Remember what the city used to be like?
Tarem:
Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
MATTHIAS:
And the roads.
Tarem:
Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--
COMMANDO:
Irrigation.
XERXES:
Medicine.
COMMANDOS:
Huh? Heh? Huh...
COMMANDO #2:
Education.
COMMANDOS:
Ohh...
Tarem:
Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.
COMMANDO #1:
And the wine.
COMMANDOS:
Oh, yes. Yeah...
FRANCIS:
Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Tarem, if the Romans left. Huh.
COMMANDO:
Public baths.
LORETTA:
And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Tarem.
FRANCIS:
Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.
COMMANDOS:
Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
Tarem:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
XERXES:
Brought peace.
Tarem:
Oh. Peace? Shut up!


***END OF PARODY***** <- you may stop laughing now.

[MoP]

Nimrod: Great article, thanks for the link! A lot of truth in there...

[L. Scott Knight]

Nimrod: The problem is that Evangelism has taken the front seat of Christianity and Evangelism is flat out evil through the perversion of a great religion to control the masses... extremism falls short of it's true character.

[emily g]

Did anyone notice that in post #20 Tarem signed his name as General Tildor?
There is the same incoherant writing, the same ranting against liberals and evolution.

Plus, I think "Jim Travos" from post #34 is also Tarem. They make the same spelling mistakes, such as "teech" and "Christain." Jim Travos conveniently pops up to support Tarem's assertions about the terrible school system, sex, drugs, witchcraft, etc.

All three of these people sign their names in the same way (i.e. "name" immediately followed by a period).

If I could check IP addresses, I would. Could we have some banning here please?
emily

[0kelvin]

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. I was going to mention it, but I forgot.



0kelvin

[the_blur]

If I could check IP addresses, I would. Could we have some banning here please?
emily

I second ms. Holmes here. And before you look, no, I am NOT her sock puppet.

[Tarem]

Idiots. I have no clue who jim is, gosh.

I am General Tildor though, i was hoping someone noticed.

[LaPalida]

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