Working on Copying Abilities

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I have been feeling bad for years since I can't seem to learn how to draw, but just a few days ago I realized that I could work on improving my copying skills. So now I am going to try to copy or draw from life every day in an effort to get faster and more accurate at copying. I may not be able to continue with this for very long since I dislike copying so much, but I will try my best.

Image #1: Jack Kirby
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Image #5: John Buscema

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[camilografix]

Your copying skills are improving. keep at it and you will see the difference in a few months. what you can do after you improve is to modify these copies and eventually it will just be a part of you. and you wont have to copy anymore.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

Thank you, camilografix, for the encouragement! It made me feel better. I was also impressed by your work.

Image #1: Mark Fredrickson
Image #2: Burne Hogarth
Image #3: Life Drawing
Image #4: Life Drawing
Image #5: Life Drawing

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

Image #1: Burne Hogarth
Image #2: Life Drawing
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Image #4: Life Drawing
Image #5: George Bridgman

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[Qxzi]

Good start with the copying here dude. i can see your improving already :D

[Madfishmonger]

Your copying certainly looks good, it seems you're getting the hang of it. Though copying is certainly a good way of producing something that looks nice, it can lead to some bad habits. What's more important than a good final result is an understanding of why and how, the technical aspects. Your life drawings are looking great, too, personally I would say focus more on that. The most important thing is to work on is developing your own style (copying other people's art can really affect this, as has been my experience). The second image in the second post is really fantastic, and I hope you go further in that style.
I see you did some of Burne Hogarth's work, do you happen to have one of his art books? My friend lent me Dynamic Light and Shade and it's helped me immensely.

[madplanet]

Keep it up GFTV, you do seem to be doing better than what I've seen before and your outlook seems to have changed a little for the better to. Keep at it, dude.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

The last few days of copying have been my hardest so far during this duration. I can't concentrate, my hand doesn't obey me, and everything has been coming out wrong. Oh well, maybe things will get better.

Qxzi: Thank you.

Madfishmonger: Thanks for the encouragement. I don't worry about learning bad habits from copying because I seem to retain nothing. I have 3 of Burne Hogarth's books (Dynamic Figure Drawing, Wrinkles and Drapery, & the Hands one).

madplanet: Thank you. I will try my best to continue but I'm finding this frustrating and tedious. I really want to at least succeed at learning how to copy better though.

Image #1: Gil Kane
Image #2: Life Drawing
Image #3: Life Drawing
Image #4: Life Drawing
Image #5: George Bridgman

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[armando]

It's not a good idea to just copy stuff. Use it only to gain accuracy, or to savor the image. Don't even pigeon hole yourself by trying to develop a style, that'll just slow you down. First thing to study is perspective, and a good book for that is Ernest R. Norlings "Perspective Made Easy". After that you can check out anatomy or whatever else you're interested in. "The Natural Way to Draw" by Kimon Niccolaides gave me a lot of ideas to play around with, check that out at the library to see if it's for you or not.

[madplanet]

I agree that you need to work on drawing from life, but as far as your copying goes, maybe you can't see it, but I've noticed some improvement. Your anatomy needs the most work, but the objects came out nice. There's a hint of them being a bit stylized. You seem to be a little more focused, so that's good. I hope your having fun with this.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

armando: Thank you for replying! I am doing these copies strictly to gain better copying skills. Also, on your recommendation, I bought "The Natural Way To Draw". I haven't read it yet though, I think it may be too demanding. But I will at least look at it to get some ideas.

madplanet: Thanks for replying again. I have not noticed any improvement in my copying skills so far, in fact I am very embarrassed by the ones I am posting. And I am not having fun, but that is not why I am doing this. Thank you again for your interest.

Image #1: Life Drawing
Image #2: George Bridgman
Image #3: Photograph
Image #4: Life Drawing
Image #5: Life Drawing

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[antquin]

goodbye, the only demand that drawing from the right side asks is that you read and follow some simple exercises. one of it's premise is that anyone can learn to draw. here's the book in a nutshell: your impediment is psychological; draw. good luck. read the book thru. it builds on itself.

[madplanet]

GFTV, you have improved some, as I see it. You just need to look a little harder at the little things, try to be a bit more observant to what you are putting down on paper. I really hope that you find some fun in doing this and I think you're not admitting to yourself that you just might be. So, what do you hope to accomplish?

[Mikko Voipio]

I would really start with just drawing straight lines, ellipses and circles.
Get your brain used to the pen and your hand of course. Just like I have to
do you will have to carry your sketchbook everywhere and draw the things you
see. I will keep following your progression. Good luck!

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

antquin: Thank you for replying! I think you're a bit confused about the book situation... I have already read and done all the exercises in "Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain", the new book I bought is called "The Natural Way To Draw" and it seems much more difficult. You're probably right about my problems being psychological though.

madplanet: Thanks for taking such an interest in me. I still do not see any improvement in my copying abilities thus far, but thank you for saying so. I am sure I am not having any fun making these copies. What I hope to accomplish is to get better at copying, as I think that is the closest I can possibly get to actually being able to draw.

Placeboast: Thank you for replying and saying you will follow my thread! I have already drawn many circles and straight lines as practice; the reason my lines are so shaky is because I am using my non-dominant hand to draw. I don't leave the house much so there is really no reason for me to carry a sketchbook around with me. Besides I cannot tolerate very much copying. But thank you for the advice!

Image #1: Life Drawing
Image #2: Life Drawing
Image #3: George Bridgman
Image #4: George Bridgman
Image #5: George Bridgman

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[Ogirdor]

I dont know if the rest of you can see it, but i see a certain type of style this guy draws, i like it. His lines may not be accurate but its different and i dont know how to explain it. Well hope all goes well and keep practising, your improving buddy. Work on your anatomy studies. I am and its really helpful.

Cheers

[Tigermilk]

Did I understand what you just wrote, fromthevoid? Do you draw with the wrong hand? (usally the left hand)
I hope I'm bad at english, 'couse that sounds plain stupid.
Otherwise I think I can see a wee bit of process taking place here. But you still need to have fun and so.. listen to Mike.
But dude, I just can't figure out how you success to scan your picks at so high contrasts. Are you doing that on purpos? I don't know, it's kinda ruining the picks.
And I wan't you to loosen up too.. try to lift your hand from the paper every now and then, if you know what I mean.
You probobably think I'm a jackass telling you how to draw now and stuff, but really, it's soo important to sketch and draw loosend too.
well, keep it up, you've made enormous progress on your attitude, just remember to have fun, and stop thinking so much about what you wanna become and how good you wanna get.

All the best,
Tiger

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

MIKECORRIERO: Thanks for replying. I've had the feeling that you actually want me to succeed, and that encourages me very much. Right now drawing from imagination is too humiliating for me to do much of. At this point I don't think there is anything I can do to improve my drawing skills, that is why I am working on my copying skills exclusively. If I ever do feel comfortable drawing what I see then maybe I will try drawing from imagination again. Thank you again for taking an interest in me and giving me encouragement!

Ogirdor: Thank you for the nice words and encouragement. My innate style seems to be "sloppy" (to put it mildly) which some people do like and think is interesting. Unfortunately I prefer an ultra clean and sleek style of drawing. I hope I am able to continue working, and I really hope it does eventually start to help me learn to copy better than I can now.

Tigermilk: Thanks for the reply! Yes I draw with my wrong (left) hand, and yes it is stupid. I feel I should be the one to decide which hand to use, not nature! Thank you for encouraging me to have fun, it makes me happy knowing that people care about how I feel. But copying isn't fun for me. I don't like it. I've decided to continue anyway. I wish I did love copying, as that would make things much easier for me. I'll try to loosen up while drawing, but I just focus so hard on trying to copy what I see that I grit my teeth. But I'll try, I really will. Also, under your recommendation my new scans will be left undarkened. Thanks again for the advice!

Image #1: Larry Lieber
Image #2: Jim Mooney
Image #3: Jim Mooney
Image #4: Jim Mooney
Image #5: Life Drawing

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[camilografix]

Hey mr. void I see your improving here even though you dont want to admit it. But why would you draw with the wrong hand I dont understand. Your dominant hand is your choice not nature thats why its your dominant hand. anyway listen to mike. also maybe you should try drawing simple characters and work your way to more complex charcaters as you progress. and do try to draw your own thing and if you forget you can just check your references. remember everytime you make a mistake think of it as a good thing because you never forget your mistakes so you get better and learn from them.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

camilografix: Thanks for the reply! I use my left hand because "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" said that the right side of the brain is connected to the left side of the body. I also use my left hand because I am stubborn. I am trying to stick to simple things to copy because I know that I would get overwhelmed with something difficult. And I make many mistakes but I learn from none of them; I'm just not very smart. Thank you again for the interest!

Image #1: Life Drawing
Image #2: Jack Kirby
Image #3: George Bridgman
Image #4: George Bridgman
Image #5: Life Drawing

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[gibsini]

some nice sketches here, specially if your using your weaker hand, I can barely write my name with my left

[madplanet]

Void, you are definitly improving, but take the advise from Mike and try using your imagination. Don't be too concerned with humiliating yourself, that's how you learn. Besides, you don't have to show anyone those, although I would be interested in seeing them. And just to prove a point, try to draw with your right hand and post them. Let's compare which looks better. Keep drawin', though. You're getting there.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

gibsini: Thank you for the compliments!

madplanet: Thank you again for replying! I still don't feel as if my copying abilities have improved yet, but thank you for saying so. Maybe they have if you think so. I also took your advice on drawing from imagination, and decided to permit myself to draw one page of non-referenced drawings for every five copies I make. Sorry but I forgot to draw something with my right hand, I'll do it next time though.

Image #1: George Bridgman
Image #2: George Bridgman
Image #3: George Bridgman
Image #4: Preston Blair
Image #5: Preston Blair
Image #6: Free-Hand

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[Tigermilk]

I'm very curious of how the drawings done by your right hand will come out.
And you know; it really dousn't matter what hand you use, it's true that the brains more artistic part is linked to the left hand, but in this case it is of very little importanse. You wanna draw well? I promise you extreme process boost if you start drawing with your dominant hand. Why? Because you do not have to go through an unnecessary amount of time just to create the habbit of drawing with your left hand before you can start drawing for real.

Fun facts ::
Both Wesley Burt and Marko Djurdjevic are right handed, for example. ;)

Tiger

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

Tigermilk: Thanks again for replying! I used my right hand for the first two copies, and it was faster and easier than normal. But, I still want to continue using my left hand to draw. You see, with all of my hatred of drawing and my complete inability to learn anything I realize that I am not "meant" to draw. Continuing to use my non-dominant hand is symbolic of my rebellion against my own nature. Giving up on using my left hand would feel a little like giving up on drawing altogether. But thank you for trying to make things easier for me!

Image #1: Preston Blair (right hand)
Image #2: Life Drawing (right hand)
Image #3: Preston Blair
Image #4: Preston Blair
Image #5: Preston Blair
Image #6: Free-Hand

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[madplanet]

Void, it's good to see you branching out and trying all these approaches to your sketches, they can only help and I think that they have. keep plugging away. The hand from the 22nd post shows some stylization that I really like. The effort is showing.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

madplanet: Thank you for the encouragement. I need alot of encouragement, because I never see things working out. Maybe I will try to copy some harder things for my next post.

Image #1: George Bridgman
Image #2: George Bridgman
Image #3: George Bridgman
Image #4: George Bridgman
Image #5: Life Drawing
Image #6: Free Hand

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[madplanet]

Ok, now your cooking! #'s 1-5 are great, they really show some improvement. Kep doing what you are doing by throwing in the free hand stuff. Soon, they will look better, too.

[Mikko Voipio]

You could take a kinda hybrid way to approach your drawing. I tend to draw combining copying (hate that word) and drawing from memory at the same time. I have referance nearly always but i I don't follow it all the time. I usually take a look at the overall shapes of things such as eyes, chin, cheekbones, eyebrows, etc. Get a sense of the overall mass of what you are drawing before you start to draw them. Measurements of the proportions are the things that really really really will get us all on the next level. Maybe you should give a thought to why you are drawing anyway. I really hope it's not as painful as you make us believe. I don't care if you're not the greatest artist in the world as long as you've got something to say with your drawings. I've noticed that since I've picked up drawing again a couple of moths ago, I have seen the whole world in a different way. There are so many interesting things to look at and study on. There are a million ways to approach drawing and there is no such thhing as the right way. And to me the most fun part is that I know I will never be good enough. Drawing is a lifelong process. Well, I've been yapping enough. Will be coming here frequently so keep posting.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

madplanet: Thanks for the encouragement! I don't feel so sure that there will be any improvement...

Placeboast: Thank you for replying! The hybrid approach sounds very difficult. I'd rather keep copying and free-hand separate. I want to learn how to draw so I can draw the images I see in my head. I do want to be the best artist in the world, I have devoted my life to this goal. Just today I was wondering when there would be an end to this, but it's like you said, a lifelong process. Thanks again for replying and saying you would watch this thread, I plan to keep it going as long as I can.

Image #1: Preston Blair
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Image #4: Preston Blair
Image #5: Life Drawing
Image #6: Free-Hand

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

Image #1: Preston Blair
Image #2: Preston Blair
Image #3: Preston Blair
Image #4: Preston Blair
Image #5: Life Drawing
Image #6: Free Hand

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

...I wish I could draw...

Image #1: Life Drawing
Image #2: Life Drawing
Image #3: John Buscema
Image #4: John Buscema
Image #5: Life Drawing
Image #6: Free Hand

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[madplanet]

Hey, I recognized the John Buscema stuff, although the bottom half of the Silver Surfer is too small. Try and put what you learn from copying into your free hand stuff, like the lights and darks. Keep working.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

madplanet: Thanks for replying... This time I tried to add light and shade to part of my free hand drawings. The problem is I retain absolutely nothing from my copying. Do you think I can ever be technically proficient at drawing? Also my copies seem to be getting worse... Thank you again.

Image #1: John Buscema
Image #2: Preston Blair
Image #3: Preston Blair
Image #4: Preston Blair
Image #5: Life Drawing
Image #6: Free Hand

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

...I'm trying...

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Image #3: Preston Blair
Image #4: Life Drawing
Image #5: Life Drawing
Image #6: Free Hand

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I wish I could draw. This isn't helping.

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Image #3: Preston Blair
Image #4: Preston Blair
Image #5: Life Drawing
Image #6: Free Hand

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I could really use some encouragement.

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Image #5: Life Drawing
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[madplanet]

Whoa, I missed a lot. GFTV, you have been far more productive than I have and i think you might just be wrong about not retaining anything. Your free hand from the 14th actually shows sign of improvement, I see some form and structure that weren't there before. Now, you lost that on your last free hand and that tells me that your having ups and downs and that is a sign of improvement. Just keep doing what your doing, keep being productive. And I definitely see some improvement in the hand drawings. Just by adding that simple little step of shading shows a step forward, try to draw what you see. Keep up the good work.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

madplanet: Thanks.

These are supposed to be rocks. No freehand.

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Image #2: Life Drawing
Image #3: Life Drawing
Image #4: Life Drawing
Image #5: Life Drawing

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[daarken]

good to see you doing so many different studies, you can see your improvement already. the main thing that i would tell you is to slow down and really look at what you are drawing. really take the time to stop and observe the object before you put down any marks. i find that a lot of people try and rush through drawings without really taking the time to understand how the object is put together.

[Azeira]

rednering takes practice. these are a start, but you have to obligate yourself to advance. become more inclined to try different things and use different methods/styles. Nothing is difficult unless you make it so.

Woodruff

[madplanet]

I agree with what both the above said, GFTV. I think you are improving, you just haven't noticed it yet. It's good to see you trying to draw different things, getting out of a comfort zone. Darken those cast shadows on the top rock like you did for the second one. I like the second one. You always seem to have one out of a group that has style and that's the one.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

From now on the contents of my posts may be a little different than from before.

daarken: Thank you for replying. I really do rush through my drawing, and I never take the time to understand anything. That's probably why I never make any progress. I can't seem to change the way I am though.

Azeira: Thanks for the advice... I find drawing very difficult. I guess that's what you meant.

madplanet: Thank you for your continued support of my efforts. I see no improvement and I feel no improvement. But maybe there has been some and I have only failed to notice it.

Image #1: Life Drawing
Image #2: Life Drawing
Image #3: Copy of My Drawing
Image #4: Copy of My Drawing
Image #5: Copy of Unknown

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[ivy'sgrandkid]

kewlman

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I wish I could draw.

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

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[madplanet]

Hey GFTV, you may not think so, but those drawings of the hanging clothes show tremendous improvement. In fact, I think they may be some of the best that you've done so far. I also have noticed that you seem to be experimenting with different techniques in your sketches. Keep it up; you're expanding and growing.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

madplanet: Thank you for the encouragement. I don't feel that things are going well with my drawing, but I won't get into that here.

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I know I'm the worst but I have to at least try.

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[HEROIC]

Hey GFTV. long time no seee. :)
uve got tonsa new stuff here.
I really like the rocks man. Great control over ur lines. THey got stronger than last time ive checked ur stuff. the rocks are really showing it. It shows that with more life drawing. ure drwaing skills has gone better too :)
Great stuff. Keep it up
Hope to see u update more.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

Thanks for replying Heroic... I've been trying to work harder lately but I'm still bitter, hopeless and cynical. I try so hard, I don't know why everything I do has to come out so bad. I'm a veteran. Now I'll be quiet.

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[zeroG]

hey i just looked through your sketches
in my honest opinion you have gotten considerably better since your first sketches
sometimes its hard to tell when looking at your own stuff because all you
(or most of the rest of us) ever do is tear their artwork down
there is a huge skill gap from the beginning to where you are right now
so dont get so down on yourself alot of the people on this forum have been drawing for 25 years lol
like i said i think that your technical skill has raised greatly
and i dont know if this will help at all but i guess when doing freehand stuff just try and visualize the image you are trying to draw in your mind and copy that
i know that sounds wierd but you never know =) great work im gonna keep checking your stuff

P.S. dont freak when you have an off day
we ALL do
lol im only get like 1 drawing out of like 30 that i even feel has potential

oh and those birds kick ass

[gmags]

Good stuff here Mr. Goodbye. Try throwing in some blind contour drawings. It really helps. Keep postin dude. :P

[madplanet]

Hey Gftv, good to see you posting and trying hard. Don't give up, you are improving. Well, I don't have to tell you that, you are doing good on your own, so keep it up. The first three images from the 23rd are very good and show some stylization.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

zeroG: Thanks for replying to my thread and for the compliments. I don't feel like I have improved at all... When I compare the first Jack Kirby copy against my best stuff today it doesn't look like I have made any progress. But I don't know, I don't know...

gmags: Thanks for replying! I'll do a blind contour drawing for my next post.

madplanet: Thanks for checking up on me. I still don't feel like I am doing well, I keep getting the feeling that I am doing something wrong and that of all this work will not benefit me at all. But I'm not going to give up, I'll keep trying my best until I die.

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[Cernew]

Execellent progress.
My imput is that you should look at the shapes in the objects, and their relationships to everything. Dont worry about the shading yet, just concentrate on your lines and shapes!

I love your drapery drawings though, those are my favorite!
As well as the Preston Blair characters!

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

Cernew: Thank you for the reply. I still don't feel like I've made progress but maybe I have because everyone is telling me that(?). I'll try to concentrate more on my lines and shapes.

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[madplanet]

We keep telling you that you are improving, you just have yet to see it, but you are, really. The more that you do the more that you will improve and you seem to be gaining the proper attitude; keep doing it, it's in you.

The scene with the skeleton on the altar shows us a different composition than you've done previously with an interesting angle. Try to work some more on this scene by adding some values and shadows. Actually Cernew had some useful advice on getting the line and shape down. And keep doing those blind contour drawings, that's a useful exercise.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

The new Concept Art banner is the reason I was just uninvited to the Joe Kubert School.

madplanet: Thanks for replying again, I know I am not very popular around here. I just associate art with so much pain it's causing madness. I think I am done with the skeleton crypt copy...but I will do another blind contour drawing for my next post because of your advice. Thank you!

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[madplanet]

So, what did you mean by the Joe Kubert comment? You'll have to explain.

The one thing to keep in mind about coming here is that one shouldn't look at it as a popularity thing; it's hard at times and of course fun too, but I think that we are all here to be better artists. And I hope that it's not the art that is causing the pain, but helping you through it.

On the Superman Wagner sketch, I think that you got the pose down very good, but the arms are too short. Remember that the elbows fall around the waist. I have to say that drawing clothing and cloth in general seems to be a very strong point in what you've been doing. So far, they show a tremendous amount of improvement and they look great. I stink at this, so I like to see when it's done well. Keep at it.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

madplanet: I can't go to art school because I won't draw naked people. There are people here that hate me. I can't say too much because I don't want to get banned again.

Thanks for the comments. I'll try to keep in mind that elbows are around the waist, but all I am working on now is copying, not drawing.

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[Tigermilk]

That last one is pretty damn hot.

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

Thank you for the compliment Tigermilk.

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I wish I could draw.

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[madplanet]

Well, these last ones aren't as good as the ones from the 13th and the 16th, but your showing improvement. The Frazetta copy looks great and so does the desk scene.

[gmags]

Nice improvement GFTV! Would like to see some sps' if possible. Keep it up dude! :yayca:

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

madplanet: Thanks for replying again. I still don't really feel like there has been much or maybe even any improvement... But thanks for checking up on me anyway.

gmags: Thank you for replying. I don't believe I will be doing any self portraits though...

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

"..."

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[~Faust~]

Hey there, I browsed through your thread and I really have to say that you have gained a very good eye on forms already. It's impressing that you (perhaps unconsciously, I don't know) decided to do more value studies, which is an absolutely logical step in my view.

The only advice I have for you is to start trusting in the people here. I only read positive comments about how your art improved and the appreciation of your work. No hate. I'm not going deeper into it, since I don't know you.

I dig those fold-studies btw :D

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

~Faust~: Thank you for replying!

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I'm really bad at this.

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I'm still trying. (http://forget-i-existed.deviantart.com/)

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I'll never give up.

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I wasn't sure if I should post these. If this is inappropriate just tell me and I will remove them.

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[grudge]

Wow... hi! I read your whole sequential layout .... I'm not sure if you really feel that way or if your just screwing around, but If you do really feel like you can't learn just let that feeling go. You can learn. Your life drawings are getting better in my opinion. So you have learned something already. Maybe drawing things straight out of your head will never be your thing, I mean part of the whole learning process of visual comunication(art in this case) is figuring out how to make yourself work with yourself and not against yourself! did that make sense? I hope so..... can't figure it out now as I reread it! in any event.... keep studying and .... something will happen(and if your just some asshat screwing around... your a bad bad person!)

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I am looking for someone I can apprentice under. If you are good at drawing realistically and draw for a living and are interested in teaching me how to draw please contact me at cameronlee.frye@verizon.net. After you make contact we can work out the details and how much I will pay you for your help.

grudge: Thanks for replying. I'm not screwing around at all, I am dead serious about drawing. I don't feel like I am improving at all in any respect. And I need to be able to draw things well straight out of my head, anything else is unacceptable. I know I will never be good at drawing, but as long as I live I will keep trying.

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[grudge]

Hey~ look...I once read this tutorial by one of comicbook's great artists and maybe it was Alex Ross, honestly I can't recall, but in it he did his thing for as long as he could and he got pretty far into the painting he was doing and then he said... now I need to get some refrence materials.....I mean, no one knows how every thing you may have to draw should look nor do they know how to make it look alive without checking up on something similiar.

and if your really seriously looking for someone to learn from and won't go to art school, go to cgtalk.com and checkout rebecca kimmel(she has stuff on this site as well) she runs, like online workshops or something. She rather impressive abilities with the human form.... well goodluck and all, your life drawings are reading like what they should, yup thats some drapery, and there go some rocks... so honestly~ your better than some of the students I've taken classes with!
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59125 (that is her sketchbook link, so you can see generally what she does)

[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

grudge: Thanks for replying again. I really don't want to have to depend on reference, drawing for me is only truly drawing when I draw straight from my head. I suck at drawing from reference too though so it doesn't matter what I do. I'm currently looking for someone I can apprentice under.

All images freehand.

phrase of thought: "...I don't call you a freak for being offended by images of dismemberment..."

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[Goodbye..fromthevoid]

I'm going to be a beginner for the rest of my life.

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[darkchild]

Hey I think you're doing great! And you know what I use ref's most of the time myself. It has helped me tremendously in my studies of anatomy (except my faces). I don't think there's anything wrong with copying as long as you give proper credit to the original. Keep it up.

[Listing]

Watch to not symbolize your value. Make sure that and value forms follow the contour of the subject and that in most cases darks will intensify in gradients, not hard contrasts. Keep going.

[PaperMoonShine]

Hi, I am a long time lurker on CA but after reading through this thread I really feel I must make some comments. Before I begin please understand that I, in no way intend to insult you or your art…I simply want to help out a fellow artist, so please forgive me if what I am about to say offends you in anyway.

Firstly, here are some comments you have made before:

“I have already read and done all the exercises in "Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain", the new book I bought is called "The Natural Way To Draw" and it seems much more difficult. You're probably right about my problems being psychological though.”

………I am going to go out on a limb here and say you have NOT read the book properly or simply skimmed past most of the text, I assure you everything Betty Edwards wrote in that book is very inspirational and really CAN prove beneficial to your art. You said you have “done all the exercises in the book”, however, I believe what Betty Edwards lays down in the book are the guidelines and foundations of some ways to practice and improve your art…it is up to the reader to apply those exercises in real life situations (life drawing, doing some contour drawings before a detailed sketch to warm up into R-mode etc). Thus, I fail to see how anyone could possible “finish all the exercises” in that book.
Also, another reason why I said you have not read the book properly (no offense) is due to this comment:

“I use my left hand because "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" said that the right side of the brain is connected to the left side of the body. I also use my left hand because I am stubborn. I am trying to stick to simple things to copy because I know that I would get overwhelmed with something difficult. And I make many mistakes but I learn from none of them; I'm just not very smart.”

You say you do this because the book said this allows you to access R-mode more easily, however, on page 41, Chapter 3 of the book (I have the 1993 edition), Betty Edwards clearly states:

"Some art teachers recommend that right-handers shift the pencil to the left hand, presumably to have more direct access to R-mode. I do not agree. The problems with SEEING that prevent individuals from being able to draw do not disappear simply by changing hands; the drawing is just more awkward"

.....however, I do agree to your comment about how your “...problems being psychological”. This brings me to my next point:

You are NOT bad at art!!! I believe you can improve much more effectively (you ARE improving at the moment by the way) if you change a few of your outlooks on art.

1. “I am sure I am not having any fun making these copies. What I hope to accomplish is to get better at copying, as I think that is the closest I can possibly get to actually being able to draw.”

2. “But copying isn't fun for me. I don't like it. I've decided to continue anyway. I wish I did love copying, as that would make things much easier for me. I'll try to loosen up while drawing, but I just focus so hard on trying to copy what I see that I grit my teeth.”

From these two comments (plus others I have not mentioned), you seem to really DISLIKE the process of copying…….then why do it??? I believe simply sticking to doing something over and over again when you do not enjoy the process is NOT very healthy for your art. You should relax yourself, draw what you find most enjoyable, or even have FUN while copying. For example, if you were to say...copy a diagram of a human skeleton for anatomy study…it could get boring fast. However, why continue if the process isn’t enjoyable? You should modify the process to your liking, such as adding some of your own designs to the skeleton while drawing it (add some cables/ cords to make it a robot, guns, swords whatever you like!), make the picture your OWN. Everyone should indulge in a little artistic license once in a while. :)


Basically… what I am trying to say is, go back and maybe read "Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain" again more carefully this time, or simply practice some of the exercises in it more often, closely following the instructions, and most of all ENJOY YOURSELF!!!! Never, EVER begin your posts with lines such as “I'm going to be a beginner for the rest of my life.”….you said you’ve read the book right…look on page 16 and see what Van Gogh was like when he started…in fact through out the whole BOOK there are examples of how beginners improved, these are supposed to provide inspiration and support!!! You should look at them and say to yourself “if so and so can improve this much then I can too!!!” Everyone has their own learning curve, and I believe you are already improving fast, heck, the amount of effort you put in simply puts me to shame....if you could only work in a more effective and enjoyable manner then you’ll be creating incredible works in no time!!!

um…….yeah……that's pretty much it….sorry if this long rant annoyed you or any other artist on CA…I just wished to help a fellow artist improve…no offence intended :yayca:

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I like your wrinkled line!