WIP: Girl and gargoyle pet, C&C wanted

[Amerasu]

Before I go any further with this, I'd like a bit of C&C to see if there's something I'm missing or if there are any glaring errors.

I want my light source to be top left (viewer's POV) and slightly in front. And it's a dark and cloudy, gray day.

I used a photo ref for help with the girl's pose.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/2005/sept_02_05_wip.jpg

[Stupidude666]

Her boobs are way too disproportionate.

[Amerasu]

Thanks for the suggestion, stupidude. I'll have a look there tomorrow when I continue on. But I do want her big chested :P

I think there are more problems with the gargoyle. I think it needs bigger wings and something fixed with the arms/shoulders and definitely the tail.

An update..

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/2005/sept_02b_05_wip.jpg

[stoph]

i think you misunderstood Stupidude666. hes right when he said theyre disproportionate, and irregardless of whether you want large breasts, no boobs should look like that. your problem lies more with her right breast and how it lines up with the armpit than her left breast. i suggest reference.

[Amerasu]

Thanks for the comment Stoph. I'll take another look at my reference photo and try to work it out by the next update.

[Amerasu]

Ok, I think I fixed it. I rechecked my ref photo and made some adjustments.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/2005/casketches/sept03_05_fix.jpg

[madster]

I'd get rid of the "ratty-looking wing" effect. It detracts from the rest of the work, and doesn't really add to the "story."

Also, step back just a moment and imagine this as a story. Is the gargoyle thing "snarling" at anything in particular? It's a very agressive facial expression, but nothing else in this picture suggests any type of tension, or reason for him to have such an attitude...or is his face just stuck in that expression, no matter where the chick takes him, whether out for a burger, or out to destroy a village...?

The shadow change on the chest looks much improved, but did you notice the gray sharp point under her right breast (LH, as viewed)?

~M

[MarkHarchar]

Her left boob looks better, but her right one still appears off to me. The area where the breast itself lines up with the arm pit seems a bit off. I know, men have pecks, women have boobs. Many people don't associate things this way, but women have pectoral muscles. There is underlying musculature that is attached under the fun bag there that either needs to be shown by the proper form, whether it is through shape or rendering. It is still off.

Also, she is missing a navel.

And, too me it appear as if she is slightly standing on her toes rather that having her feet planted on the contour of the ground. You should also consider some lighter values in the pants, since you are expressing them in the girl's top and assuming that it is the same type of material.

As far as the wings, I think that you can leave them tattered, however, if you do, I would go with the whole looks like chunks of granite were taken out of them rather than I have a tear in my kite.

Something is bothering me about her necklace. I think the problem is that it needs more shadow on her skin. It looks flat.

Hope this helped...

[capt underoo]

I think there is a problem between the gargoyle and the girl...she looks like she is standing in front of a picture of a gargoyle...the girl is rendered fairly well but the gargoyle looks flat...if you use the same techniques for the girl on the gargoyle I think it will turn out much better...the girl is crisp in its contrast, while the gargoyle is too blended...

[magicgoo]

I think the girl's head is slightly too big.

Also, her boob still melds into her armpit and those should be 2 separate things:

http://www.everythinggoodwastaken.com/images/boobs-tutorial.jpg

In red, are the lines of how a boob "stops" and the arm pit starts.

In green, are the lines of how the boobs should pull the fabric outward.

The top right is a skinnier figure and the bottom right is a thicker woman and the lines show how there are some chubby fat pieces forming where arm meets boob.

Does this make sense?

I do like how the hair is coming along.

[Amerasu]

madster Thanks very much for your suggestions. I did think about the gargoyle's expression before drawing him and decided I wanted him to be mean and snarly without provocation. I had envisioned him snarling at the viewer though that doesn't really make sense does it? Still, I'd like him to stay ferocious. You're right about the ripped wings, I've changed them.

hylandr2 I think most of your suggestions come down to shading, which I hadn't got to in the earlier version. I've a started to shade more below and will definitely take into account what you've said. I'm still working on that breast. Thanks very much, it's all helpful :) See what you mean about the boots though I've tried to show that they're high heels in the newer version.

capt underoo Def agree - I just hadn't started to really shade the gargoyle yet. I've started below and he will end up as sharp as the girl.

magicgoo Thanks very much. I've taken your suggestions and fixed her top and her right breast though it's hard to see in this small version. I see what you mean though and will try to make sure it comes through when size compressed in the finished version.

Here's an updated verion. I've started shading the gargoyle (who has changed quite a bit) and fixed his tail which was way off. I'm still deciding whether or not to make his horns bone colour or leave them granite/stone.

I think I'll probably stick the small horns back on his head.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/2005/casketches/sept04_05_gargoyle.jpg

[Amerasu]

Here's another update. I haven't done anything else to the girl so there are no changes there - yet.

I really need to work on the lighting and the shading for both characters and make sure they're consistent as well as finish up the background, especially the rock face they're standing on.

I think I also need less saturation on the girl to tie in with the other, grayer colours. She stands out too much (I painted her separately).

I'm not sure what I'll do with the wings though I'm pretty positive I'll be changing them somehow. I don't like these wings much.

http://amerasu.randomleft.com/images/2005/casketches/sept05_05_gargoyle.jpg

[Marie]

Its coming along nicely, I still think there is an issue with the breasts. It looks like they are connected directly to the arms. I think it should show more of what magicgoo sketched out.

Here is a picture to show what I mean, the breasts are admittedly not as big as you are painting. Just to double check I did look up some bigger breasts, if you do a google image search on "bikini" look at the last picture in the 2nd row, that lady has some huge breasts (maybe not real) and you are still seeing that, for lack of a better word, bridge, from the breast to the arm.

http://neabez.home.comcast.net/postingart/gargoyleshow.jpg

I know you are still working on the picture, so :) I don't know if what I say is something you have in the works. Her boots and jewels are very bright, though nothing wrong with that, eve bright boots and jewels have darker areas, it will help to make them stand out, without looking like a neon sign.

Of course that might be in the works for your shading, good work so far, can't wait to see more progress!

I hesitate to mention this, the gargoyles head seems a little disjointed from his body, the reason I hesitate is that... I don't know exactly how to go about making it seem more attached :upset: