Natalee Holloway

[CaptainInsano]

First off, my sympathies to the Holloway family :nohope: Very, very unfortunate.

I think Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers know exactly what happened to her. I also think they're responsible for her disappereance (or murder). But I don't think those guys actually did the job. I think there's a third party involved that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers don't want to expose.

1) Joran and the Kalpoe brothers pick up Natalee at the casino. She gets drunk, or drugged by them, take her to the beach, have their way with her (or she has an accident) and they get rid of her body in the ocean.

I was inclined to believe this at first, but now I think that the reason why her body hasn't been found is because she isn't dead. Aruba is a small island, where everyone knows each other. Even if the body was dumped in the ocean, any thing dumped on the eastern side of the island would wash up on shore. Anything dumped on the Western side is shallow ocean. They wouldn't have had enough time to go to that side of the island, call Joran's dad, and drop Joran off back on the other side of the island for his dad to pick him up.

2) Joran and the Kalpoe brothers are gambling at the casino. Joran (who has an open line of credit with casino), makes a deal with the casino owner to clear his debt if he brings Natalee to the beach to coordinate a kidnapping with the casino's owner, in exchange for... money?... forgiveness of gambling debts?.... who knows...

I think she is still alive. Aubducted against her will because of Joran, or his father a powerful judge, for political favors or criminal kickback.

What do you think?

[darth massacre]

I think she's dead. I think those boys know what's going on...exactly...and I think the Aruba government isn't covering up for the boy or his father...rather they're covering up for their law enforcement's inept abilities and their own judicial failings.

Up till now such cases were rare in Aruba and their system was never tested to this degree...hence it wasn't a surprise they couldn't figure out how to handle it early on but even on hindsight now, its too late for Natalee.

[fukifino]

Fuck Natalee Holloway (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/7/3/491/18474)

[darth massacre]

Hey same thing with Cory Shapelle in Indonesia....the Australian woman who's sentenced to life in prison for smuggling narcotics. She says she didn't do it. No one would care if she's not young and beautiful. Gorgeous eyes I might add.

But I keep tabs on all sorts of news so... :)

[stoph]

try Chappelle Corby next time. meh. i dont know about the Natalee Holloway case, but i think Corby is innocent (regardless of looks). there are a few shifty things that have been exposed in customs as of late..

[madplanet]

Somebody should beat the shit out of Natalee Hollaway's so-called friends that let her leave the bar with three strange men. Maybe it's just me...

[darth massacre]

try Chappelle Corby next time.
My bad...

I don't know what to think about that case...not enough information on it and the Indonesian judicial system is about as trustworthy as drinking water from the sewers.

[JARhead]

Yeah this is a shame.

Theres a girl from were I live thats been missing for about a year and a half or more. We have billbords, bracelets, missing posters and just about everything you can think of going up and down the west coast of the USA.

I think its almost safe to say that anyone who has been missing for more then a mounth is dead.

[Blue]

The life of the beautiful is immortalized, even in death. No one would care about her if she wasn't attractive.

[0kelvin]

Fuck Natalee Holloway (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/7/3/491/18474)

Exactly.



0kelvin

[|NTeRN]

actually selling girls as sex slaves is pretty comon in that area for quick cash and the guy she was with was a gambler with a debt. she being a attractive blonde would go for a good price. but by this time she would be in cuba so there would be no chance of getting her even if we knew she was there

[Qitsune]

I think its almost safe to say that anyone who has been missing for more then a mounth is dead.

Around here they discovered a girl who had disapeared 3 or 4 years ago when she was 15. Turns out she dyed her hair and got a job under a fake identity 5 hours drive from where she was from and had been there all the time.

[JARhead]

actually selling girls as sex slaves is pretty comon in that area for quick cash and the guy she was with was a gambler with a debt. she being a attractive blonde would go for a good price. but by this time she would be in cuba so there would be no chance of getting her even if we knew she was there

This is veary true, it happends a lot.

Im glade Im a man and unattrative

[bracomadar]

http://www.morgannick.com/

I hate when someone who is rich, or good looking goes missing the whole world has to stop and look for them, but some average kid goes missing and it barely gets on the local news. It's sad that this girl is missing, but I don't think broadcasting that she's missing all over the continental U.S. is going to help find her. In otherwords, I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE!!! Spend the time broadcasting updates in her case on other missing children.

[CaptainInsano]

I don't think the reason why Holloway is getting so much attention more than other missing kids is because she's a rich, white, pretty girl.

It's because of the fact that it happened in another country, where the authorities are not being helpful, the main suspect is the spoiled son of the country's powerful judge, and there could be a massive cover-up by that countries government because of the judge's involvement.

Yes, I agree though that it isn't fair that other missing teens and kids aren't getting as much airtime though. :S

[Blue]

actually selling girls as sex slaves is pretty comon in that area for quick cash and the guy she was with was a gambler with a debt.
That premise was used in an episode of Samurai Champloo. Scary this kinda thing actually happens.

[Monkeylizard]

Would we care if she were black?

I hate American media... :zzz:

[CaptainInsano]

Would we care if she were black?

I hate American media... :zzz:

It dosen't matter what her race is.

The reason why this case is getting so much attention has nothing to do with the girl's ethnicity. It's because a foriegn country is possibly sabotaging this investigation because it involves one of their top leaders in a murder/kidnapping.

Also, NOT caring because Natalee Holloway IS white is just bad as not caring if she was black.

So in other words... you don't care about this missing person because she's white? :nohope:

[light]

Fuck children! Why is a kidnapped little kid more important then the hundreds of casualties? Just because theyre young they arent any more important. Im tired of hearing about all this crap, I feel bad for the parents but this doesnt deserve any coverage. Jet planes for it? Geezus...

[MoP]

So in other words... you don't care about this missing person because she's white?

Please note that you wouldn't care about her at all if you hadn't heard of her. Your interest has been generated purely by the media - you do not know this girl.

I highly doubt that you care about all of the thousands of missing/murdered/enslaved young people that you've never heard of, regardless of their ethnicity.

For all you know, there are plenty of other missing persons cases which involve foreign government in some way, yet they don't get any media coverage, so you don't hear about and therefore cannot possibly care about them.

And I'm wondering if you actually do "care", or do you just have a vague interest in seeing how the whole thing turns out?

Of course, I feel sorry for her relatives and friends, but no more so than those of any other missing person.

[Target]

...eh, best way to get a news story is kill a white girl...or make her disappear.

I live in Cleveland. Three times a week, I get a postcard with two photos of two differant people who have gone missing. Walk into any walmart. They don't fit on milkcartons anymore.

...and who the hell goes to ARUBA for a senior trip. We hardly even had a prom. The ONLY reason this is getting coverage is because she is a rich white girl who disappeared on her senior class trip. She's model citizen material. She's newsworthy.

[~Faust~]

Sometimes you americans disgust and amuse me the same time.

[madplanet]

Sometimes you americans disgust and amuse me the same time.


I feel the same way. And I live here.

[Xpose]

It's the news... You can never trust the news. God Forbid they ever show anything positive.

[wassermelone]

and there could be a massive cover-up by that countries government because of the judge's involvement.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/mryoop789/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[CaptainInsano]

Please note that you wouldn't care about her at all if you hadn't heard of her. Your interest has been generated purely by the media - you do not know this girl.

I highly doubt that you care about all of the thousands of missing/murdered/enslaved young people that you've never heard of, regardless of their ethnicity.

For all you know, there are plenty of other missing persons cases which involve foreign government in some way, yet they don't get any media coverage, so you don't hear about and therefore cannot possibly care about them.

And I'm wondering if you actually do "care", or do you just have a vague interest in seeing how the whole thing turns out?

Of course, I feel sorry for her relatives and friends, but no more so than those of any other missing person.

Wait wait... don't turn this on me.. this is about YOU not caring about a missing person because of her ethnicity. So... you didnt' answer my question... you just accused me of not caring about everyone else.

So, answer the question: You don't give a shit about this person because she's white?

[CaptainInsano]

Sometimes you americans disgust and amuse me the same time.

Germans disgust and amuse me too...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v678/ParkerD/hitler.jpg

Well... more so just disgust me.

[NoSeRider]

Oh jeez......might as well bring up the killing of Native Americans and Slavery while were at it. Americans can be peckerheads, but so can everybody else.

i'm cynical towards 'people' in general, regardless of where they live.

I just think Natalie is gone and is fish food. Where else are you gonna hide her on that island but the ocean?

And even if she was sold into white slavery she might as well be dead because she's too famous now to be useful. They'll kill her just to keep out of jail.

[Target]

That's pretty low, ParkerD. I don't think faust was attacking you, so cool off. It's not appropriate to attack an entire nation of people based on one person; (not all of us are mad Christian Uber-zealots bent on peace at all costs), especially not one like Hitler (hind sight is 20/20...).

You started this discussion, what did you expect? If you can't handle the general American image *sorta* being attacked...better just watch what you start.

[~Faust~]

ParkerD, I'm sure you're a cool person and I wouldn't dare to come along and call you an asshole without any background-knowledge.

Just wanted to let you know that I don't feel insulted about your comment also because there's a bit of truth in it, sadly, and as a german I feel sad and ashamed about our history and some things which are going on right now.

[wassermelone]

Wait wait... don't turn this on me.. this is about YOU not caring about a missing person because of her ethnicity. So... you didnt' answer my question... you just accused me of not caring about everyone else.
So, answer the question: You don't give a shit about this person because she's white?

I think you are missing everyone's point. This abduction/kidnapping/person gone missing is "sad" to be sure, but there are thousands of other abduction/kidnappings/persons gone missing every year that do not get a single ounce of publicity. The people who do get publicity for being kidnapped are affluent white females.

Natalee Holloway is no more or less important than them and should be treated accordingly.

[MoP]

So, answer the question: You don't give a shit about this person because she's white?

I don't know where you're pulling this all from... perhaps if you read my earlier reply you might realise that ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

To be honest, I really don't care if she's white, black, purple, green or orange. I've hardly even heard of her (the UK media tends to actually report on things other than "personal interest" stories).

My point would still stand even if Natalee Holloway was a penniless African grandmother.

I care for her just as much as I care about the thousands of other missing persons... ie. not very much.

I think this is a result of the sheer number of things like this which happen. If you hear a story about an unexploded bomb detonating and killing 2 innocent happy children, you kinda think "aww, those poor kids, what about their friends and parents?!" for a minute or two, but you probably don't let it trouble you for too long.

If someone drops a bomb on a city and kills thousands of people, you can just kinda go "oh dear" ... faceless thousands die every day. You only think you "care" because you have been given an image, a face, an impression of a person in a bad situation. You couldn't possibly look through a list of thousands of people's faces and care for every single one. You only think you care because you have been targeted by this single impression.

So like I say, my point still stands. Don't lecture down on me because you think you care about this single person - you don't care about the THOUSANDS of others. Your happy cable news broadcaster won't be able to run stories about every missing person or government scandal, you'd lose interest, and they'd lose revenue.

[SJ Bennighof]

Fuck Natalee Holloway (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/7/3/491/18474)

Agreed.

[dfacto]

ParkerD
It dosen't matter what her race is.

Wake up and smell the ratings ParkerD, it's the WWOTW (White Woman of the Week) phenomena that is everpresent in the media. Wherever there is a white, attractive (or formerly attractive, in the case of Teri Schiavo) female with a tragic story, the media will clamp on and suck for dear life, until the only thing left is a dead horse. Then they beat it. And then some more...

Do I care about the WWotW? Fuck no! Her life is insignificant to me and to almost everyone else on the entire planet. Aside from the normal sympathy that one may feel towards another human being in a shitty situation, there is nothing more to say. End of story.

I would care just as little for a black/latino/asian/eskimo/masai/whatever WotW, and even less if she were ugly. Lets face it, shallow or not, at least a photogenic young woman is easy on the eyes.

[Target]

I think everyone should go watch something like Hotel Rwanda.

Man, what a depressing movie. I felt impotent and ashamed after watching that movie...

:nohope: